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Question: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season Winner?
Real Madrid - 49 (33.3%)
Barcelona - 13 (8.8%)
Manchester City - 51 (34.7%)
Chelsea - 6 (4.1%)
Liverpool - 4 (2.7%)
Paris Saint-Germain - 9 (6.1%)
AC Milan - 2 (1.4%)
Other - 13 (8.8%)
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August 28, 2022, 08:10:32 PM
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AGG Benfica 3 - 0 Dynamo Kyiv
AGG Benfica started well and ended well of the match, They have the total shot on target (the attempted goals) were 10 while Dynamo Kyiv got 0. It was only offsides that Dynamo got 2 while Benfica did not get any offsides throughout the match. Even the possession of ball, Benfica possesses ball more than it opponent. Nicolas Otamendi scored the first goal which was assisted by David Neres  by 27 minutes in the match. Rafa Silva scored the second goal by the time of 40 minutes. David Neres, who assisted Nicolas to scored the first goal in the match scored the 3rd goal and he again was assisted by Goncalo Ramos by 42 minutes and that give the total goals of 3-0.

Mykola Shaparenko got a yellow card at the time of 81 minutes while Petar Musa got his yellow card at the time of 85 minutes of the match. That not withstanding, Dynamo Kyiv also tried their best to see if they could scored one goal but AGG Benfica defense was well secured so they could not.



It's not a surprise that benfica were able to win the game on Wednesday because in truth Dynamo were not threatening. They have managed to lose both at home and away and this does not  tell good of their records.
  In Dynamo last five games, they have only tried to win two and with such a poor performance, I wonder if they will be able to win their next game against Dnipro-1. Although Dnipro-1 are not so strong themselves, I think they will still be a threat to Dynamo.

Many were thinking that Benfica was going to lose, in fact where I live in the parlays that are out there in the bookmakers I saw a trend against Benfica and I didn't know why, I didn't even bother to check statistics or something So, what I put on was to watch the game, I liked how they played and this made me remember how years ago Benfica was a hard team to defeat even for the strongest teams at that time, which was Real Madrid and Barcelona, And this was what made me think the most when they were going to play against that team, but now I see that the players have recovered their good level and if they continue like this and increase it, they can make a difference.

I'm a barcelona fan of course in champions league and yea champions barcelona is a favorite team and currently playing very well but in the middle their game drop but now their game is very pathetic and playing at a very good level new player added especially one of my favorite player lewndoski
Let's see how good the performance from your favorite club. I think that it for me bayern munich is still superior but i didn't know whether with the come of lewandowski to the barcelona can change any thing like it will win against bayern munich once barcelona will be facing it at the group session of UEFA champion league. That will be very good if inter can also compete against munich and barcelona. I heard that intermilan became even stronger too. We need to see that how good performance from the new players of barcelona in champion league.

Bayern lost Lewandowski, but got Mane and some other very good players, and I think they will be even stronger this season and favorites to win the Champions League.
It seems to me that Xavi stopped the great decline of Barcelona, stabilized the club, got new players and that Barcelona will be much better in the Champions League this season.
Inter have been playing very well in the last few seasons, both in the Italian league and in the Champions League, and will be a very tough opponent for both Barcelona and Bayern.
A very interesting and uncertain group.

For me this is one of the most controversial groups, without a doubt for me the favorite is Bayern, I would like Inter to stand out, but it is difficult, they have many problems, with respect to Barcelona, they are not doing badly, the league they are doing well, but what they can do in the UCL must be to win, they have made many changes in their team, Xavi really has a lot to prove and apart from that the debts in the team are big, so they have to win or win, If not, things are going to get very heavy in the future, for me that will be one of the things that will mark that team, either for better or worse, all the risks that they ventured to take.

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August 29, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
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There is a huge possibility that Anthony will go to United. As I understand it, now the only question is the price - Ajax is trying to take advantage of the plight of United and get the maximum amount of money for Anthony. As for Ronaldo and all these transfer sagas (the worst was with Mbappe), then literally in three days this should stop - on September 1st in most countries transfers will be closed until the winter window.

Actually things aren't going to be easy about this probable transfer. Because according to a report by Transfermarkt, Ajax have turned down an offer worth 90 million euros this time. Ajax are very determined not to sell him while getting close to the end of the transfer window and the beginning of the Champions League at the same time. But he has clearly stated that he wants to leave Ajax now.

Ajax are known by selling this kind of skilled players after not much time passes. But on the other hand they let very important players go already in this window. They don't want to lose him too otherwise Manchester United's last offer was very favourable for them actually.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ajax-have-turned-down-euro-90m-offer-from-man-united-for-antony-quot-i-want-to-leave-quot-/view/news/410210

It seems that the clubs have agreed on 100 million and the signing will take place today/tomorrow. I'm wondering how this will (if it does) affect teams' chances of reaching the playoffs (especially if Ronaldo goes to Napoli) at the moment the quotes are: Ajax 1.77 Napoli 1.83. Ajax have taken the path of selling players, but this is understandable since they cannot compete in any way with offers from the top leagues.

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August 29, 2022, 05:22:43 PM
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I think that it would be the worst choice Napoli can make by replacing Ronaldo with Osimhen right before the Champions League starts. Their odd to advance to next round would increase also because keeping Osimhen would definitely be more helpful for them. Ronaldo is far from his old times as you know. It isn't sensible for Napoli to just sell their very promising striker to have Ronaldo for only a short period of time. However Napoli also don't want such deal now as it seems because their demand from Manchester United is really unbelievable.  Grin

Ronaldo should forget about playing in the Champions League this season and just focus on his work at the Red Devils. He can still join this tournament next season in the end if they win the Europa League title or enter top 4 in the EPL.

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August 29, 2022, 06:01:21 PM
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I think that it would be the worst choice Napoli can make by replacing Ronaldo with Osimhen right before the Champions League starts. Their odd to advance to next round would increase also because keeping Osimhen would definitely be more helpful for them. Ronaldo is far from his old times as you know. It isn't sensible for Napoli to just sell their very promising striker to have Ronaldo for only a short period of time. However Napoli also don't want such deal now as it seems because their demand from Manchester United is really unbelievable.  Grin

Ronaldo should forget about playing in the Champions League this season and just focus on his work at the Red Devils. He can still join this tournament next season in the end if they win the Europa League title or enter top 4 in the EPL.

And if they gave Osimhen, they also wanted money besides Ronaldo. This made Ronaldo very angry. Grin
I guess he still thinks he's in his 20s. Osimhen's contribution to the game is much more for Napoli. It was rumored that Manchester United would make an offer of between 100 and 140 million Euro for Osimhen. They obviously need a very good striker, so they shouldn't be afraid to spend money. Napoli cannot refuse such an offer. Funny that Manchester United can spend such money even though they don't play in the Champions League. Napoli, on the other hand, cannot say no to such money, even though they play in the Champions League.

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And if they gave Osimhen, they also wanted money besides Ronaldo. This made Ronaldo very angry. Grin
I guess he still thinks he's in his 20s. Osimhen's contribution to the game is much more for Napoli. It was rumored that Manchester United would make an offer of between 100 and 140 million Euro for Osimhen. They obviously need a very good striker, so they shouldn't be afraid to spend money. Napoli cannot refuse such an offer. Funny that Manchester United can spend such money even though they don't play in the Champions League. Napoli, on the other hand, cannot say no to such money, even though they play in the Champions League.
I am feeling this is going to be bad for Napoli if they are selling Osimhen for Ronaldo and money because if they keep him and try most chances they will reach into next round and have better chances instead of having Ronaldo and Manchester United is also suddenly investing more than expectations because they already have Casemiro and now Antony from Ajax is also set to join Manchester United with the fees of 100 Million Euro which is enough for them to stay into top four as now few teams are already tumbling and this is good opportunity for them to grab this chance and use Ronaldo which is also having good time here in this club.

Now they needed to do some work on their system which is going to help them for having better result instead of investing more money for having players because they already have quality players and those are not bad at all right now with their chances to stay at top for this season.

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Let's see how good the performance from your favorite club. I think that it for me bayern munich is still superior but i didn't know whether with the come of lewandowski to the barcelona can change any thing like it will win against bayern munich once barcelona will be facing it at the group session of UEFA champion league. That will be very good if inter can also compete against munich and barcelona. I heard that intermilan became even stronger too. We need to see that how good performance from the new players of barcelona in champion league.
Interesting certainly waiting for Barcelona. Once they returned they could finish in 2nd place at the end of the season. Moreover, they have an amazing player spending budget and have been used. Of course, it will still be very long the League Just started. A team that is able to do management well will certainly win. But so far I think I'm still Favourites to Madrid. Although I'm sure maybe Man City and Lieverpool will be favourites this year.
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August 30, 2022, 08:02:10 AM
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Let's see how good the performance from your favorite club. I think that it for me bayern munich is still superior but i didn't know whether with the come of lewandowski to the barcelona can change any thing like it will win against bayern munich once barcelona will be facing it at the group session of UEFA champion league. That will be very good if inter can also compete against munich and barcelona. I heard that intermilan became even stronger too. We need to see that how good performance from the new players of barcelona in champion league.
Interesting certainly waiting for Barcelona. Once they returned they could finish in 2nd place at the end of the season. Moreover, they have an amazing player spending budget and have been used. Of course, it will still be very long the League Just started. A team that is able to do management well will certainly win. But so far I think I'm still Favourites to Madrid. Although I'm sure maybe Man City and Lieverpool will be favourites this year.

In this season's Champions League the big boys will be the ones that will contest for the title. I am seeing Real Madrid, I am also seeing Manchester City, Liverpool, PSG just like as it was in last season. Barcelona will do very well in La Liga but this season they will not do well in Champions League maybe it can be next seasonis. We should not expect Barcelona to do any magic this season because there are a lot of big boys already before they understand themselves and put themselves together maybe they will likely go back to Europa and then be the champions there.

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August 30, 2022, 08:26:09 AM
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Ronaldo should forget about playing in the Champions League this season and just focus on his work at the Red Devils. He can still join this tournament next season in the end if they win the Europa League title or enter top 4 in the EPL.

The problem is that Ronaldo is a player who is only interested in his personal achievements and the records he has achieved.
He is aware that he will not be able to play top-flight football for much longer and is desperate to play in the Champions League this season to improve his personal record in the competition and prevent arch-rival Messi from overtaking him.
It has become funny to see how desperate he and his manager have become in their quest to find him a club playing in the Champions League this season  Cheesy
The Europa League means nothing to Ronaldo, he has to show his athletic greatness in the biggest competition, the Champions League, but in fact he is no longer the player he was a few years ago and his time has passed.

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August 30, 2022, 09:52:17 AM
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The problem is that Ronaldo is a player who is only interested in his personal achievements and the records he has achieved.
He is aware that he will not be able to play top-flight football for much longer and is desperate to play in the Champions League this season to improve his personal record in the competition and prevent arch-rival Messi from overtaking him.
It has become funny to see how desperate he and his manager have become in their quest to find him a club playing in the Champions League this season  Cheesy
The Europa League means nothing to Ronaldo, he has to show his athletic greatness in the biggest competition, the Champions League, but in fact he is no longer the player he was a few years ago and his time has passed.

Ronaldo is proud, but perhaps this is what allowed him to achieve great results in his time. I will say that he and the manager could look for a new club, it would not be a problem if he honestly warned the club management and the coach that he would try to do this. But at the same time, he had to train with the team, play all of all pre-season matches, and be in optimal shape by the start of the season. And by his act, he only worsened his relationship with the head coach, and this is now reflected in his place in the team and trust in him.

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August 30, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
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I'm a barcelona fan of course in champions league and yea champions barcelona is a favorite team and currently playing very well but in the middle their game drop but now their game is very pathetic and playing at a very good level new player added especially one of my favorite player lewndoski
Let's see how good the performance from your favorite club. I think that it for me bayern munich is still superior but i didn't know whether with the come of lewandowski to the barcelona can change any thing like it will win against bayern munich once barcelona will be facing it at the group session of UEFA champion league. That will be very good if inter can also compete against munich and barcelona. I heard that intermilan became even stronger too. We need to see that how good performance from the new players of barcelona in champion league.

Bayern lost Lewandowski, but got Mane and some other very good players, and I think they will be even stronger this season and favorites to win the Champions League.
It seems to me that Xavi stopped the great decline of Barcelona, stabilized the club, got new players and that Barcelona will be much better in the Champions League this season.
Inter have been playing very well in the last few seasons, both in the Italian league and in the Champions League, and will be a very tough opponent for both Barcelona and Bayern.
A very interesting and uncertain group.

I am surprised by the way that Lewandowski delivers. He is the player that we are used to when he played for Bayern Munich. The athletic style when he scored. I am now really looking forward to the game against Bayern and whether he can perhaps decide a game in favor of his own team.

Do you guys think Barcelona is ready for Bayern?

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August 30, 2022, 06:10:37 PM
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In this season's Champions League the big boys will be the ones that will contest for the title. I am seeing Real Madrid, I am also seeing Manchester City, Liverpool, PSG just like as it was in last season. Barcelona will do very well in La Liga but this season they will not do well in Champions League maybe it can be next seasonis. We should not expect Barcelona to do any magic this season because there are a lot of big boys already before they understand themselves and put themselves together maybe they will likely go back to Europa and then be the champions there.

Pretty simple prediction given that the last time a non-top club won the Champions League was in 2004 when Mourinho won the title with Porto. On the other hand, 18 years have already passed and maybe it's time for a new miracle to happen? I don't really believe in it, but I think that everyone will be happy to see even in the quarterfinals someone "new" and not the usual list of applicants.

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August 30, 2022, 06:29:33 PM
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In this season's Champions League the big boys will be the ones that will contest for the title. I am seeing Real Madrid, I am also seeing Manchester City, Liverpool, PSG just like as it was in last season. Barcelona will do very well in La Liga but this season they will not do well in Champions League maybe it can be next seasonis. We should not expect Barcelona to do any magic this season because there are a lot of big boys already before they understand themselves and put themselves together maybe they will likely go back to Europa and then be the champions there.

Pretty simple prediction given that the last time a non-top club won the Champions League was in 2004 when Mourinho won the title with Porto. On the other hand, 18 years have already passed and maybe it's time for a new miracle to happen? I don't really believe in it, but I think that everyone will be happy to see even in the quarterfinals someone "new" and not the usual list of applicants.

That miracle like you say it is highly unlikely and I find it very difficult for this to happen during this season when teams like Real Madrid,City,PSG and Liverpool have a lot of superstar players.I doubt these teams will be eliminated and I think that 2004 year was just a miracle because at that time even Greece won the first Euro Cup which was the biggest surprise of football history for me.So that is a distant year that it has very but very little probability to be repeated during 2022/23 season of the Champions League.
I also think that Barcelona is not yet fit for the title against giants but anything can be expected from them,in La Liga they are fairing pretty well so I don't exclude them as contenders as of yet.

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Ronaldo should forget about playing in the Champions League this season and just focus on his work at the Red Devils. He can still join this tournament next season in the end if they win the Europa League title or enter top 4 in the EPL.

The problem is that Ronaldo is a player who is only interested in his personal achievements and the records he has achieved.
He is aware that he will not be able to play top-flight football for much longer and is desperate to play in the Champions League this season to improve his personal record in the competition and prevent arch-rival Messi from overtaking him.
It has become funny to see how desperate he and his manager have become in their quest to find him a club playing in the Champions League this season  Cheesy
The Europa League means nothing to Ronaldo, he has to show his athletic greatness in the biggest competition, the Champions League, but in fact he is no longer the player he was a few years ago and his time has passed.
Barcelona do not want to repeat their failure last season in the Champions League, after finishing second in the domestic league, Barcelona officials immediately moved quickly by bringing in some greats to strengthen the team. Barcelona journey this season in the group phase is a bit tougher, Bayern Munich, Inter are Barcelona challenges to get out to the next round. Barcelona will have difficulty winning the group, Xavi must try to secure second place in order to go further in the Champions League stage. Madrid is always the favourite, I still doubt Barcelona can get to the final.

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August 30, 2022, 07:30:10 PM
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Ronaldo should forget about playing in the Champions League this season and just focus on his work at the Red Devils. He can still join this tournament next season in the end if they win the Europa League title or enter top 4 in the EPL.
The problem is that Ronaldo is a player who is only interested in his personal achievements and the records he has achieved.
He is aware that he will not be able to play top-flight football for much longer and is desperate to play in the Champions League this season to improve his personal record in the competition and prevent arch-rival Messi from overtaking him.
It has become funny to see how desperate he and his manager have become in their quest to find him a club playing in the Champions League this season  Cheesy
The Europa League means nothing to Ronaldo, he has to show his athletic greatness in the biggest competition, the Champions League, but in fact he is no longer the player he was a few years ago and his time has passed.
Barcelona do not want to repeat their failure last season in the Champions League, after finishing second in the domestic league, Barcelona officials immediately moved quickly by bringing in some greats to strengthen the team. Barcelona journey this season in the group phase is a bit tougher, Bayern Munich, Inter are Barcelona challenges to get out to the next round. Barcelona will have difficulty winning the group, Xavi must try to secure second place in order to go further in the Champions League stage. Madrid is always the favourite, I still doubt Barcelona can get to the final.

Barcelona doesn't want to see a repeat of last season's nightmare. Barcelona was a very weak team last season. Koeman turned this team into rubble. Xavi was able to gradually stabilize Barcelona. And this season Barcelona have spent a huge amount and signed a number of star players. As a result, the Barcelona team has become stronger.

There is no doubt that Barcelona is strong now. But we don't know how they will perform in the Champions League. Barcelona will face strong teams like Bayern Munich and Inter Milan in the first round. We still don't know how Barcelona will perform against strong opponents. But it is expected that they will perform better than last season.

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August 30, 2022, 08:39:12 PM
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Among the biggest favourites of the title, I see that Manchester City and PSG are quite under pressure to win it because of not achieving this title in their histories. Manchester City have just built the dream team with Haaland's joining. They must be near impossible to be stopped from now on. Guardiola must have learned his lesson from their Real Madrid matchup last season also.

When it comes to PSG they have changed their manager and their choice was a little unexpected. They didn't prefer to bring a very experienced manager into this arena. They brought a manager like Galtier and actually took a bigger risk. Maybe the Ligue 1 performance so far has been impressive but it can be deceptive at the same time. The Champions League is way tougher than there. The trio has a big responsibility under his management. The team are more attacking focused now and they are successful at it too. If they don't lose their focus this time we might see them in the finale.

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August 31, 2022, 05:13:00 AM
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Among the biggest favourites of the title, I see that Manchester City and PSG are quite under pressure to win it because of not achieving this title in their histories. Manchester City have just built the dream team with Haaland's joining. They must be near impossible to be stopped from now on. Guardiola must have learned his lesson from their Real Madrid matchup last season also.

When it comes to PSG they have changed their manager and their choice was a little unexpected. They didn't prefer to bring a very experienced manager into this arena. They brought a manager like Galtier and actually took a bigger risk. Maybe the Ligue 1 performance so far has been impressive but it can be deceptive at the same time. The Champions League is way tougher than there. The trio has a big responsibility under his management. The team are more attacking focused now and they are successful at it too. If they don't lose their focus this time we might see them in the finale.
I agree that City and PSG are two big candidates, but for some reason City looks more "mature" in a sense that they have a more established team. Haaland is new, but the rest has been playing together for a while now. ON the other hand when you look PSG a quite good amount of them came in last year, sure some of them have been there for a while as well, but they got plenty of good players in the last 2 seasons as well.

This is why I believe that even if City wins this year, PSG could try again next year and win it as well. This means that PSG has a longer period of dominance if they keep it, whereas City has a closing door that they need to take advantage of.
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August 31, 2022, 06:03:30 AM
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Among the biggest favourites of the title, I see that Manchester City and PSG are quite under pressure to win it because of not achieving this title in their histories. Manchester City have just built the dream team with Haaland's joining. They must be near impossible to be stopped from now on. Guardiola must have learned his lesson from their Real Madrid matchup last season also.

When it comes to PSG they have changed their manager and their choice was a little unexpected. They didn't prefer to bring a very experienced manager into this arena. They brought a manager like Galtier and actually took a bigger risk. Maybe the Ligue 1 performance so far has been impressive but it can be deceptive at the same time. The Champions League is way tougher than there. The trio has a big responsibility under his management. The team are more attacking focused now and they are successful at it too. If they don't lose their focus this time we might see them in the finale.
I agree that City and PSG are two big candidates, but for some reason City looks more "mature" in a sense that they have a more established team. Haaland is new, but the rest has been playing together for a while now. ON the other hand when you look PSG a quite good amount of them came in last year, sure some of them have been there for a while as well, but they got plenty of good players in the last 2 seasons as well.

This is why I believe that even if City wins this year, PSG could try again next year and win it as well. This means that PSG has a longer period of dominance if they keep it, whereas City has a closing door that they need to take advantage of.

Guardiola's Manchester is a team destined to win at least 2 trophies this season. They are a better side and more formidable. Viewing their last game made me realise they have another Aguerro in the person of Haaland. The guy is big, fast, strong with ball. Their work rate is something that would give other team's a serious run for their goal.

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Among the biggest favourites of the title, I see that Manchester City and PSG are quite under pressure to win it because of not achieving this title in their histories. Manchester City have just built the dream team with Haaland's joining. They must be near impossible to be stopped from now on. Guardiola must have learned his lesson from their Real Madrid matchup last season also.

When it comes to PSG they have changed their manager and their choice was a little unexpected. They didn't prefer to bring a very experienced manager into this arena. They brought a manager like Galtier and actually took a bigger risk. Maybe the Ligue 1 performance so far has been impressive but it can be deceptive at the same time. The Champions League is way tougher than there. The trio has a big responsibility under his management. The team are more attacking focused now and they are successful at it too. If they don't lose their focus this time we might see them in the finale.
I agree that City and PSG are two big candidates, but for some reason City looks more "mature" in a sense that they have a more established team. Haaland is new, but the rest has been playing together for a while now. ON the other hand when you look PSG a quite good amount of them came in last year, sure some of them have been there for a while as well, but they got plenty of good players in the last 2 seasons as well.

This is why I believe that even if City wins this year, PSG could try again next year and win it as well. This means that PSG has a longer period of dominance if they keep it, whereas City has a closing door that they need to take advantage of.

Guardiola's Manchester is a team destined to win at least 2 trophies this season. They are a better side and more formidable. Viewing their last game made me realise they have another Aguerro in the person of Haaland. The guy is big, fast, strong with ball. Their work rate is something that would give other team's a serious run for their goal.

@Cryptomultiplier initially I thought these two sides would be invincible, but they have drawn matches in their respective league’s which shows that they can be stopped from winning the champions league.

Furthermore I feel that Barcelona is strong contender this year, because they have Lewandowski who can single handedly win them matches and another strong team is Bayern who’s only gotten stronger after letting Lewandowski leave, thus I feel that City and PSG will struggle to win the champions league.
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I think that it would be the worst choice Napoli can make by replacing Ronaldo with Osimhen right before the Champions League starts. Their odd to advance to next round would increase also because keeping Osimhen would definitely be more helpful for them. Ronaldo is far from his old times as you know. It isn't sensible for Napoli to just sell their very promising striker to have Ronaldo for only a short period of time. However Napoli also don't want such deal now as it seems because their demand from Manchester United is really unbelievable.  Grin

Ronaldo should forget about playing in the Champions League this season and just focus on his work at the Red Devils. He can still join this tournament next season in the end if they win the Europa League title or enter top 4 in the EPL.

I don't think, Napoli president will make such mistake to release Osimhen in this season to Manchester united like the way Liverpool president made the mistake to released  Sadio mane that was among the talented players that made Liverpool so strong last season to another team. Osimhen is well ready to move Napoli to her next level in this season, which will be the reason Napoli president will not release Osimhen because of money to loose this season title. Cristiano Ronaldo cannot handle Napoli the way Osimhen is using all his strength and energy to ensure they achieve victory at the end of the match.

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August 31, 2022, 09:28:51 AM
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Pretty simple prediction given that the last time a non-top club won the Champions League was in 2004 when Mourinho won the title with Porto. On the other hand, 18 years have already passed and maybe it's time for a new miracle to happen? I don't really believe in it, but I think that everyone will be happy to see even in the quarterfinals someone "new" and not the usual list of applicants.

That miracle like you say it is highly unlikely and I find it very difficult for this to happen during this season when teams like Real Madrid,City,PSG and Liverpool have a lot of superstar players.I doubt these teams will be eliminated and I think that 2004 year was just a miracle because at that time even Greece won the first Euro Cup which was the biggest surprise of football history for me.So that is a distant year that it has very but very little probability to be repeated during 2022/23 season of the Champions League.
I also think that Barcelona is not yet fit for the title against giants but anything can be expected from them,in La Liga they are fairing pretty well so I don't exclude them as contenders as of yet.

Barcelona has not met yet strong teams this season, even in LaLiga. The first relatively strong will be Sevilla and here the bookmakers estimate the chances of Barcelona rather modestly - 1.85. 1.85 against the crisis Sevilla suggests that the chances against the tops Champions League will be minimal. I will hope that Bayern and Inter eliminate Barcelona already in the group stage and Barcelona's all-in doesn't work  Roll Eyes

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