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Author Topic: [Boxing] Stephen Fulton vs. Naoya Inoue | WBC & WBO 122 lbs bout | July 25  (Read 7007 times)
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March 07, 2023, 01:00:19 PM
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That's right, Inoue is not your ordinary boxer who's is easy to predict and evident to see his limits. Currently, there's no boxer that managed to unlock Inoue's weakness and Donaire was the only boxer who actually gave him a good toe-to-toe fight but even that fight wasn't enough to show his weakness and up until now, it's still a mystery and it will be an expensive move by any boxer just to know what is it.

For weakness of Inoue to unfold, he just needs to fight a better boxer than he is.  He may be dominated the bantamweight division, but I do not think that he will do the same in the super bantamweight.  Super Bantamweight is a different division and there are several known boxers that can possibly defeat Inoue in this division.  The boxer in this division have heavier punches and more resistance to blows or punches, and since Inoue is taking a shortcut, he probably doesn't know the extent of the punching power of this division.

I very much agree, however, this is what the sport of boxing is supposed to be. The best boxers should challenge the other best boxers in another weight division or in their present weight division. This will bring the sport forward again and not need to become a comedy show to get more attention similar to Jake Paul. Fulton vs. Inoue, Tank vs. King Ry and Haney vs. Lomanchenko are good fights for the fans and the sport.
And it's it ironic though that we are seeing this money fights in the below weight class? I mean the 147 lbs is what we know as the best, but we haven't seen Crawford and Spence.

But even in the 140 lbs, we have seen Josh Taylor unify the belts and then 135 as you have said, Tank vs Ryan Garcia, and then we have Haney vs Loma. And as if this lower division are mocking the supposedly best weight class because it now becomes a joke, Spence vs Thurman fighting at 154 lbs and with no belts on the line.

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March 07, 2023, 03:03:27 PM
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And as Fulton said,

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So let's see how far Fulton can go against Inoue, he struggles against a volume punching in Figueroa, then he level it up facing the Monster, this time, it's not how many punches Inoue will throw, it's going to be the accuracy and the power behind, be in a jab or right overhand.
Well, I like the confidence of Fulton, nothing is impossible indeed if he can adjust and come up to an effective strategy to beat Inoue. But it's a fact that this time he might face his first loss knowing how good the monster is.

Majority of us are already expecting Inoue to beat Fulton then he can level up to division once again. I think this one is an easy fight for him and it's an advantage on his side that the fight will be held on his home town.

Let's just refrain from getting so ahead, we already know that Inoue is a strong boxer who got so much power in his punches and unbeatable because there's nobody at 118 that can match his current form but at 122, he is yet to make a name and that's not yet guaranteed as we should not forget that he is going to face the 2-belt champion, Stephen Fulton who is also giving punishments to the boxers he is facing in the past. What I'm saying is, even if this fight is going to happen at Japan, both sides got the same pressure because for Inoue, it will be a big embarrassment for him if he will get defeated in-front of his people and for Fulton, the pressure is also there because he is the champion yet he's visiting the country of the challenger.
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March 07, 2023, 03:09:06 PM
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That's right, Inoue is not your ordinary boxer who's is easy to predict and evident to see his limits. Currently, there's no boxer that managed to unlock Inoue's weakness and Donaire was the only boxer who actually gave him a good toe-to-toe fight but even that fight wasn't enough to show his weakness and up until now, it's still a mystery and it will be an expensive move by any boxer just to know what is it.

For weakness of Inoue to unfold, he just needs to fight a better boxer than he is.  He may be dominated the bantamweight division, but I do not think that he will do the same in the super bantamweight.  Super Bantamweight is a different division and there are several known boxers that can possibly defeat Inoue in this division.  The boxer in this division have heavier punches and more resistance to blows or punches, and since Inoue is taking a shortcut, he probably doesn't know the extent of the punching power of this division.

I very much agree, however, this is what the sport of boxing is supposed to be. The best boxers should challenge the other best boxers in another weight division or in their present weight division. This will bring the sport forward again and not need to become a comedy show to get more attention similar to Jake Paul. Fulton vs. Inoue, Tank vs. King Ry and Haney vs. Lomanchenko are good fights for the fans and the sport.
And it's it ironic though that we are seeing this money fights in the below weight class? I mean the 147 lbs is what we know as the best, but we haven't seen Crawford and Spence.

But even in the 140 lbs, we have seen Josh Taylor unify the belts and then 135 as you have said, Tank vs Ryan Garcia, and then we have Haney vs Loma. And as if this lower division are mocking the supposedly best weight class because it now becomes a joke, Spence vs Thurman fighting at 154 lbs and with no belts on the line.

The welterweight and super-welterweight is a known division that is full of vicious boxers all over the world but now, that's not the case anymore because Spence Jr. and Al Haymon is giving the division a bad reputation because they are taking a full advantage of their influence towards the governing bodies to make a mandatory fight without risking the belts of the champion.

That is why the avid fans are now taking more attention from the lower weight class because aside from its exciting fights that is produced every couple of months, we know that the fights taking place at the mentioned division is fair and square, so different from the upper weight class these days.

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March 07, 2023, 05:30:16 PM
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That's right, Inoue is not your ordinary boxer who's is easy to predict and evident to see his limits. Currently, there's no boxer that managed to unlock Inoue's weakness and Donaire was the only boxer who actually gave him a good toe-to-toe fight but even that fight wasn't enough to show his weakness and up until now, it's still a mystery and it will be an expensive move by any boxer just to know what is it.

For weakness of Inoue to unfold, he just needs to fight a better boxer than he is.  He may be dominated the bantamweight division, but I do not think that he will do the same in the super bantamweight.  Super Bantamweight is a different division and there are several known boxers that can possibly defeat Inoue in this division.  The boxer in this division have heavier punches and more resistance to blows or punches, and since Inoue is taking a shortcut, he probably doesn't know the extent of the punching power of this division.

I very much agree, however, this is what the sport of boxing is supposed to be. The best boxers should challenge the other best boxers in another weight division or in their present weight division. This will bring the sport forward again and not need to become a comedy show to get more attention similar to Jake Paul. Fulton vs. Inoue, Tank vs. King Ry and Haney vs. Lomanchenko are good fights for the fans and the sport.

Yes, that's how it's supposed to be but didn't you guys noticed that some of the boxers who now holds their belts did get away with their supposed mandatory fights? The guys at lightweight, welterweight, super-welterweight and even super-middleweight are getting some perks to hold their belts much longer and taking away the chances from the rising boxers to have their shot.

But anyway, at least we got a few good fights this year. Right?

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Yes, that is totally possible. I also got a feeling that this fight can indeed outrun the first two gates mentioned, $10 Million is not that huge considering that both names that will be participating this fight are famous and both camps for sure got their own huge bases who will support them through PPV and live gates.

But some people didn't see it that way because for them, Inoue is taking a shortcut because he is now fighting Fulton directly on his debut at super-bantamweight when it is indeed normal already as it's not Inoue who did it first. Besides, he is favored by the governing bodies because of what he achieved at bantamweight, now he is just taking advantage of it.

Don't know why other people say that Naoya Inoue takes a shortcut when it's obvious that no one from lower rankings in the Super Bantamweight can match Inoue.

Isn't the fact that Inoue is unbeatable at the bantamweight division and no one from there can even come close to his level, is not enough to convince those people that he is already qualified to face a champion at the Super Bantamweight which is a much better fight to see than organizing a debut fight for him against a considered not even contender.

It's either they are a hater of Inoue or they are still not that convinced that Naoya Inoue is just so good, hence why he managed to unify all the belts at 118.

Now that he is campaigning at 122 and is going against a champion directly, Fulton should be tight in his defense just to make sure that Inoue's punches cannot get through because if he is careless, then it's safe to assume that we will see another fight that will end in TKO/KO. But I guess, that's not likely to happen because Fulton is not that kind of boxer.

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I want to ask those people who considered Naoya Inoue as taking a shortcut, aside from facing WBC and WBO champion Stephen Fulton and WBA and IBF champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev, who else in the Super Bantamweight is a good match for Naoya Inoue that is worthy to watch and make sense to organize?
I think right now, there's nobody at 122 that is interesting enough to watch against Inoue. Well of course, except Fulton and Murodjon.

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March 08, 2023, 05:24:29 PM
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^ I do agree, there are no fighters maybe except those 2 champions mentioned that might have the chance to win against the Monster but it's a long shot. Maybe Nery will be a good fight to for the Naoya but he might be overpowered by the Inoue too. Of course, for Casimero fans, who are waiting for him and Naoya to fight as well, but it might take some time as he needs to fall in line for the fight and payday.

So let's see if Fulton, being so confident that he is willing to travel to Japan can pull an upset. Or is Inoue really to big for this 122 lbs weight class that no one can match up against him.

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March 08, 2023, 05:56:28 PM
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That's right, Inoue is not your ordinary boxer who's is easy to predict and evident to see his limits. Currently, there's no boxer that managed to unlock Inoue's weakness and Donaire was the only boxer who actually gave him a good toe-to-toe fight but even that fight wasn't enough to show his weakness and up until now, it's still a mystery and it will be an expensive move by any boxer just to know what is it.

For weakness of Inoue to unfold, he just needs to fight a better boxer than he is.  He may be dominated the bantamweight division, but I do not think that he will do the same in the super bantamweight.  Super Bantamweight is a different division and there are several known boxers that can possibly defeat Inoue in this division.  The boxer in this division have heavier punches and more resistance to blows or punches, and since Inoue is taking a shortcut, he probably doesn't know the extent of the punching power of this division.

I very much agree, however, this is what the sport of boxing is supposed to be. The best boxers should challenge the other best boxers in another weight division or in their present weight division. This will bring the sport forward again and not need to become a comedy show to get more attention similar to Jake Paul. Fulton vs. Inoue, Tank vs. King Ry and Haney vs. Lomanchenko are good fights for the fans and the sport.
And it's it ironic though that we are seeing this money fights in the below weight class? I mean the 147 lbs is what we know as the best, but we haven't seen Crawford and Spence.

But even in the 140 lbs, we have seen Josh Taylor unify the belts and then 135 as you have said, Tank vs Ryan Garcia, and then we have Haney vs Loma. And as if this lower division are mocking the supposedly best weight class because it now becomes a joke, Spence vs Thurman fighting at 154 lbs and with no belts on the line.

The welterweight and super-welterweight is a known division that is full of vicious boxers all over the world but now, that's not the case anymore because Spence Jr. and Al Haymon is giving the division a bad reputation because they are taking a full advantage of their influence towards the governing bodies to make a mandatory fight without risking the belts of the champion.

That is why the avid fans are now taking more attention from the lower weight class because aside from its exciting fights that is produced every couple of months, we know that the fights taking place at the mentioned division is fair and square, so different from the upper weight class these days.
It could be, but historically, this division is like the primetime, then followed by the Heavyweight. So it's really hard to see it becoming just another division now just because a powerful entity is controlling it. Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather was made though, before it was too late and no longer in their prime. Why not they can do it with Crawford and Spence.

Anyhow, May it is, Fulton will be ready by that time, but it could be very different as it's hard to get a sparring partner similar to Inoue and probably the most important is the power of Naoya. Because it's not going to be replicated by any training partner in the gym.

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It's because these days, influence and politics inside the industry became a big hurdle before a fight could even have a discussion. Top Rank, DAZN, PBC and even Probellum is not giving any chance for a fight to happen if they are not going to organize it, it might happen though but it will be a long shot and probably, could take much a lot of time rather than discussing directly. Unlike what we have back in the day where entertainment is the priority because these promoters and boxers are nothing if nobody is supporting them.

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March 08, 2023, 10:28:04 PM
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It's because these days, influence and politics inside the industry became a big hurdle before a fight could even have a discussion. Top Rank, DAZN, PBC and even Probellum is not giving any chance for a fight to happen if they are not going to organize it, it might happen though but it will be a long shot and probably, could take much a lot of time rather than discussing directly. Unlike what we have back in the day where entertainment is the priority because these promoters and boxers are nothing if nobody is supporting them.
SO much politics inside and this is the main reason on why there are interesting fights or bouts of certain boxers cant really happen due to this reason on where promoters are the ones who would really be making

the final decision whether the fight would be pushing through or not.News could really be that early but assurance that it would happen is never been guaranteed since anytime it could really be postponed
or sudden withdrawal or something like that.It isnt something new if we do speak about related to this.

If ever a certain fight is already that final or set out date then its good but im not anticipating unless it is really that nearly approaching.

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March 08, 2023, 11:53:13 PM
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So let's see if Fulton, being so confident that he is willing to travel to Japan can pull an upset. Or is Inoue really to big for this 122 lbs weight class that no one can match up against him.

Honestly speaking, neither of those 2 champions can match Naoya Inoue at the point of the Japanese monster's career.

He is really can consider the most dominant bantamweight and super bantamweight (118 lbs - 122 lbs) right now.

It's just that this time, he will face the champions at 122 that's why it became a big deal and probably the toughest opponent that Inoue will face. I hope Fulton can give Inoue a tough fight although in the end, I still see Inoue will win the match.

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So let's see if Fulton, being so confident that he is willing to travel to Japan can pull an upset. Or is Inoue really to big for this 122 lbs weight class that no one can match up against him.

Honestly speaking, neither of those 2 champions can match Naoya Inoue at the point of the Japanese monster's career.

He is really can consider the most dominant bantamweight and super bantamweight (118 lbs - 122 lbs) right now.

It's just that this time, he will face the champions at 122 that's why it became a big deal and probably the toughest opponent that Inoue will face. I hope Fulton can give Inoue a tough fight although in the end, I still see Inoue will win the match.

A good matchup between the current champ and the challenger who create a name unifying all the belts from his former division,
like what everyone's eyeing looking to see how Fulton will defend his belt.

More on how they will prepare and how they will execute their fighting strategy to take a good edge against each other, Fulton with a better experience from this division will try to use the edge.

While Inoue at his prime is expected to upset the current Champ!
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But some people didn't see it that way because for them, Inoue is taking a shortcut because he is now fighting Fulton directly on his debut at super-bantamweight when it is indeed normal already as it's not Inoue who did it first. Besides, he is favored by the governing bodies because of what he achieved at bantamweight, now he is just taking advantage of it.

Don't know why other people say that Naoya Inoue takes a shortcut when it's obvious that no one from lower rankings in the Super Bantamweight can match Inoue.

Isn't the fact that Inoue is unbeatable at the bantamweight division and no one from there can even come close to his level, is not enough to convince those people that he is already qualified to face a champion at the Super Bantamweight which is a much better fight to see than organizing a debut fight for him against a considered not even contender.

I want to ask those people who considered Naoya Inoue as taking a shortcut, aside from facing WBC and WBO champion Stephen Fulton and WBA and IBF champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev, who else in the Super Bantamweight is a good match for Naoya Inoue that is worthy to watch and make sense to organize?
We will see that, if Inoue is beaten in this weight class then most higher-seeds boxers in the super bantamweight division will want a piece of him. They will try, obviously. But I doubt, he will be beaten that far if ever it happens. The weight is not that far and I bet his chin is sturdy enough to take them.

Regarding the shortcut, no, I don't think so too. There's not enough competition in his former weight class anymore and he had all the belts so I guess that's living proof of it. What will he do there? Get old and be beaten someday? Whoever said he did cut corners, that's just foolish.
I like how wise his camp is, keep on moving forward, that should be the goal. Break records.

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March 09, 2023, 03:25:25 PM
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Regarding the shortcut, no, I don't think so too. There's not enough competition in his former weight class anymore and he had all the belts so I guess that's living proof of it. What will he do there? Get old and be beaten someday? Whoever said he did cut corners, that's just foolish.
I like how wise his camp is, keep on moving forward, that should be the goal. Break records.

That's the best way to maximize his talent, by pushing his limits. I'm sure he still has a lot to prove in a higher division. With his power, he might likely achieve what Manny Pacquiao had achieved in the past, so he has to be aggressive in moving forward, and of course, he should beat Fulton first.

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Regarding the shortcut, no, I don't think so too. There's not enough competition in his former weight class anymore and he had all the belts so I guess that's living proof of it. What will he do there? Get old and be beaten someday? Whoever said he did cut corners, that's just foolish.
I like how wise his camp is, keep on moving forward, that should be the goal. Break records.

That's the best way to maximize his talent, by pushing his limits. I'm sure he still has a lot to prove in a higher division. With his power, he might likely achieve what Manny Pacquiao had achieved in the past, so he has to be aggressive in moving forward, and of course, he should beat Fulton first.

That's very important. We can say that he got the talent and the power, but he needed to win first against Fulton to prove that he really had that capability to follow the footstep of Pacquiao.

Moving to another division is indeed the right thing to do. He will try his power in this new weight and see
if he can strip and collect belts, I see the possibility that he also will try to unify the belts. Then if he succeeds,
he can try moving to another.
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But some people didn't see it that way because for them, Inoue is taking a shortcut because he is now fighting Fulton directly on his debut at super-bantamweight when it is indeed normal already as it's not Inoue who did it first. Besides, he is favored by the governing bodies because of what he achieved at bantamweight, now he is just taking advantage of it.

Don't know why other people say that Naoya Inoue takes a shortcut when it's obvious that no one from lower rankings in the Super Bantamweight can match Inoue.

Isn't the fact that Inoue is unbeatable at the bantamweight division and no one from there can even come close to his level, is not enough to convince those people that he is already qualified to face a champion at the Super Bantamweight which is a much better fight to see than organizing a debut fight for him against a considered not even contender.

I want to ask those people who considered Naoya Inoue as taking a shortcut, aside from facing WBC and WBO champion Stephen Fulton and WBA and IBF champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev, who else in the Super Bantamweight is a good match for Naoya Inoue that is worthy to watch and make sense to organize?
We will see that, if Inoue is beaten in this weight class then most higher-seeds boxers in the super bantamweight division will want a piece of him. They will try, obviously. But I doubt, he will be beaten that far if ever it happens. The weight is not that far and I bet his chin is sturdy enough to take them.

Regarding the shortcut, no, I don't think so too. There's not enough competition in his former weight class anymore and he had all the belts so I guess that's living proof of it. What will he do there? Get old and be beaten someday? Whoever said he did cut corners, that's just foolish.
I like how wise his camp is, keep on moving forward, that should be the goal. Break records.

Don't forget that his weight might be more fitting at super-bantamweight because of what happened recently on the weigh-in, he needed some more time because his weight exceeded from what is needed. So, in that case, he might be more dangerous in this weight class if it turns out true that this is his natural weight.

And for that shortcut thing that became an issue now, where are they when Canelo fought Kovalev directly? Does that also mean that he took a shortcut? These folks who kept on telling that Inoue was handed a shortcut should know the facts and how does this industry works. That's quite normal for such boxers who are talented enough to defeat a much stronger guys even if it's in the upper division, as long as they are confident enough, they can always do it considering that they had a good run lately.

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March 09, 2023, 08:06:24 PM
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We will see that, if Inoue is beaten in this weight class then most higher-seeds boxers in the super bantamweight division will want a piece of him. They will try, obviously. But I doubt, he will be beaten that far if ever it happens. The weight is not that far and I bet his chin is sturdy enough to take them.

Regarding the shortcut, no, I don't think so too. There's not enough competition in his former weight class anymore and he had all the belts so I guess that's living proof of it. What will he do there? Get old and be beaten someday? Whoever said he did cut corners, that's just foolish.
I like how wise his camp is, keep on moving forward, that should be the goal. Break records.
This is what I think as well, what was the point for Inoue to remain at his previous division? He had beaten all the great fighters on his division and there was no one worth to challenge him, so he had to move a division, and he was so dominant on his former division that even if we assume he may have some trouble adapting to this new weight we still think we can beat a champion on his debut fight, something which should be a testament of his skill.
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March 09, 2023, 11:27:43 PM
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But some people didn't see it that way because for them, Inoue is taking a shortcut because he is now fighting Fulton directly on his debut at super-bantamweight when it is indeed normal already as it's not Inoue who did it first. Besides, he is favored by the governing bodies because of what he achieved at bantamweight, now he is just taking advantage of it.

Don't know why other people say that Naoya Inoue takes a shortcut when it's obvious that no one from lower rankings in the Super Bantamweight can match Inoue.

Isn't the fact that Inoue is unbeatable at the bantamweight division and no one from there can even come close to his level, is not enough to convince those people that he is already qualified to face a champion at the Super Bantamweight which is a much better fight to see than organizing a debut fight for him against a considered not even contender.

I want to ask those people who considered Naoya Inoue as taking a shortcut, aside from facing WBC and WBO champion Stephen Fulton and WBA and IBF champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev, who else in the Super Bantamweight is a good match for Naoya Inoue that is worthy to watch and make sense to organize?
We will see that, if Inoue is beaten in this weight class then most higher-seeds boxers in the super bantamweight division will want a piece of him. They will try, obviously. But I doubt, he will be beaten that far if ever it happens. The weight is not that far and I bet his chin is sturdy enough to take them.

This is really going to be a huge test on Inoue's side, even if he win this one, but if the fight is competitive enough then maybe we will see Inoue getting soften because of Fulton. And just maybe in the next fight it will be a very different Inoue that we are going to see, perhaps because of that previous fight, it might affect his attitude.

Regarding the shortcut, no, I don't think so too. There's not enough competition in his former weight class anymore and he had all the belts so I guess that's living proof of it. What will he do there? Get old and be beaten someday? Whoever said he did cut corners, that's just foolish.
I like how wise his camp is, keep on moving forward, that should be the goal. Break records.

I think it's because of his first fight, it is already for the championship belt, maybe it's being the benefit of being the unified champion in his previous divisions that the governing body is pushing him for another title fight even if it is in new division. Nothing is unusual here, that's what the major bodies have been doing for decades now. And it's a win-win for them, so it just make sense.

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March 09, 2023, 11:55:46 PM
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Nothing is unusual here, that's what the major bodies have been doing for decades now. And it's a win-win for them, so it just make sense.

For those who are not aware, they take it as a big deal lol. Should be nothing unusual in the first place.

Aside from that, if that's not the usual procedure, I don't see anyone from 122 that can be a good match for Inoue.

Moving forward, if those critics thinks that Inoue is having a shortcut then they don't trust Fulton to beat the so-called Japanese monster.

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Nothing is unusual here, that's what the major bodies have been doing for decades now. And it's a win-win for them, so it just make sense.

For those who are not aware, they take it as a big deal lol. Should be nothing unusual in the first place.

Aside from that, if that's not the usual procedure, I don't see anyone from 122 that can be a good match for Inoue.

Moving forward, if those critics thinks that Inoue is having a shortcut then they don't trust Fulton to beat the so-called Japanese monster.
And maybe the boxing bodies wanted to create more stir in this division, and so granting Inoue to face their champion Fulton. The thing is that Fulton is more willing to test Inoue in this new weight classes.

I haven't follow this division though, but it seems that Fulton has face the best and so he has to test himself once again by fighting the bantamweight champion. The advantage might be in Fulton since he is the natural 122 lbs. But Inoue though could also be very comfortable at that weight class.

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March 10, 2023, 02:53:16 PM
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Nothing is unusual here, that's what the major bodies have been doing for decades now. And it's a win-win for them, so it just make sense.

For those who are not aware, they take it as a big deal lol. Should be nothing unusual in the first place.

Aside from that, if that's not the usual procedure, I don't see anyone from 122 that can be a good match for Inoue.

Moving forward, if those critics thinks that Inoue is having a shortcut then they don't trust Fulton to beat the so-called Japanese monster.
And maybe the boxing bodies wanted to create more stir in this division, and so granting Inoue to face their champion Fulton. The thing is that Fulton is more willing to test Inoue in this new weight classes.

I haven't follow this division though, but it seems that Fulton has face the best and so he has to test himself once again by fighting the bantamweight champion. The advantage might be in Fulton since he is the natural 122 lbs. But Inoue though could also be very comfortable at that weight class.

The advantage depends on how each boxer sees it. Inoue might be thinking that he has the advantage, but Fulton could also believe the same. We will only know who is better once they fight. However, based on the betting odds, Inoue is highly favored to win. Therefore, we can give him the overall advantage to win.
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