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May 07, 2023, 07:33:27 PM
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They did not expect that from a game that doesn't get any rewards but turns into a game that finally gets rewards. This will make people addicted and eventually, they will realize that it is a simple game that makes them addicted to gambling.
There are some games that are not in the gambling category, but they are addicted to playing until they bet something for adrenaline games so that one player must win the game to get a reward, any type of bet is not just money then everything is included in gambling. Even here there is a thread discussing ludo games to add to gambling, even though the majority are not interested in the game for gambling but there are types of gamblers who bet on physical ludo games because there is a different impression when they play ludo for gambling.
Sports games were never meant to become games that will be used for gambling, they were created and played for physical activities and enjoyment for those playing and those watching as well, but nowadays, sports betting has become so famous that almost every kind of sports game is available for the public to bet on.

So in the world where we live today, every single game can become a gambling game if there are two people willing to have a bet whether it's between two friends, the game becomes a gambling game for them since they've bet something with each other on the winner.
Yes, any events could be possibly be tagged up with gambling or making out some bets and this had been through ages now even into those early years or old years which its been applied already.
It just turns out that it did really become that rampant or known nowadays on how its been done or on how its been that applied which its true that these are just sports but turns out that bettors
would really be attaching out on making some betting into it and this is why this industry did boom out even more knowing that there are lots of sports which we could really be able to watch out.

Speaking about doing those gambling activity which doesnt involved money then it is really that something that cant be considered out gambling in the first place.Yes, the action or activity has been made
might really be that in correlate with gambling commonly but since you arent able to put up something or money into its then its not really that gambling after all since its risks-free.

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May 07, 2023, 11:09:52 PM
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They did not expect that from a game that doesn't get any rewards but turns into a game that finally gets rewards. This will make people addicted and eventually, they will realize that it is a simple game that makes them addicted to gambling.
There are some games that are not in the gambling category, but they are addicted to playing until they bet something for adrenaline games so that one player must win the game to get a reward, any type of bet is not just money then everything is included in gambling. Even here there is a thread discussing ludo games to add to gambling, even though the majority are not interested in the game for gambling but there are types of gamblers who bet on physical ludo games because there is a different impression when they play ludo for gambling.
Sports games were never meant to become games that will be used for gambling, they were created and played for physical activities and enjoyment for those playing and those watching as well, but nowadays, sports betting has become so famous that almost every kind of sports game is available for the public to bet on.

But then sports had been used for betting ever since the ancient times.  If we look back at the history, we often read that gambling is integrated to sports to enhance the satisfaction and entertainment of the said sport.  Adding bet adds more adrenalin to the spectators since there is something they are hoping on the result.

So in the world where we live today, every single game can become a gambling game if there are two people willing to have a bet whether it's between two friends, the game becomes a gambling game for them since they've bet something with each other on the winner.

true that as long as there are stake, risk and reward anything can fall under gambling.

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May 07, 2023, 11:40:42 PM
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No. It's called a game. You play, you win or you lose but you didn't really lose anything physically. When I was a kid my cousins use to play cards and whoever loses will fix the cards, shuffle them, and distribute them again. If you are lazy, you won't like doing it.
Did we gamble? No. We just played a game of cards and we didn't actually lose or gain anything. That is why our relatives older than us are just letting us do it because there's no money involved.
Sometimes we forget that the games used in gambling are actually just simple games before without money on the line. Now, when we see them we say it's gambling.

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May 08, 2023, 10:11:42 AM
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I am not very patient to use casinos with money that is not real, because it stresses me out, that is when I win the most and it is not real money, but it happens to me that when it is like that and I bet with real money, I do not win but the opposite, sometimes Sometimes I don't know if it is better to start with real money than with money that is not real, it is double work, it is double illusion and it can be a double disappointment, but I like that casinos have their versions with non-real money games to show what they can do to others is very good, with that they learn to have control and to know the game they are getting into.

same as my view because i cant expect myself using all the time i am supposed to gamble for real money in playing in some online free games, it's not possible and if I have much time I will rather spend it gambling for real money because even while we playing for fun, we still have to add money to it to make it more motivating on the long run.

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.
Playing with demo accounts or gambling games that pay nothing at all might be wasting time, but what if you are playing a game where you can get a reward if you get the highest score without even having to use any money? Doesn't that motivate you enough to play that game and try to get the highest possible score?

I think it becomes more intriguing if you have got the opportunity to win some reward or money by only playing a game without having to put anything up at stake from your end, I would play that game more than games where I will need to stake my money that I may lose.

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May 08, 2023, 10:58:50 AM
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I'd say that this still qualifies as gambling. You may not be staking money in the process but you're still playing with your chances anyway. That is considered gambling even if nothing is at stake. You still poured your time and effort researching who's going to be the top scorers and all those stats. There is also the possibility of a win, so if that's not gambling to you then I don't know what it.

Free bets are also considered gambling. You didn't stake anything in this instance, so what differentiates it from free bets?

In my opinion, it's not gambling if you don't stake something valuable, something like money or what you can sell for money. Time is a valuable thing, no doubt about that. But if we go fishing, risking to lose our time and get nothing in return, we don't call it gambling, do we? No one does.

The example in the OP is gambling related, but we shouldn't call it gambling if nothing is at stake, I think.

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May 08, 2023, 12:19:48 PM
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They did not expect that from a game that doesn't get any rewards but turns into a game that finally gets rewards. This will make people addicted and eventually, they will realize that it is a simple game that makes them addicted to gambling.
There are some games that are not in the gambling category, but they are addicted to playing until they bet something for adrenaline games so that one player must win the game to get a reward, any type of bet is not just money then everything is included in gambling. Even here there is a thread discussing ludo games to add to gambling, even though the majority are not interested in the game for gambling but there are types of gamblers who bet on physical ludo games because there is a different impression when they play ludo for gambling.
Sports games were never meant to become games that will be used for gambling, they were created and played for physical activities and enjoyment for those playing and those watching as well, but nowadays, sports betting has become so famous that almost every kind of sports game is available for the public to bet on.

So in the world where we live today, every single game can become a gambling game if there are two people willing to have a bet whether it's between two friends, the game becomes a gambling game for them since they've bet something with each other on the winner.

People want to give more excitement with their entertainment that's the reason why they make gambling with this even just a small form of  casual conversation the person's ego wants to win the game to get his pride on it, people take this seriously and people just take it for fun it depends how does it takes in a situation this form of gambling always happen in sports event like there's different biases of players and teams this could be a support to the team you like and at the same time make a gambling to your friends or other people and taking risk if there's money or asset involve.

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May 08, 2023, 01:28:15 PM
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They did not expect that from a game that doesn't get any rewards but turns into a game that finally gets rewards. This will make people addicted and eventually, they will realize that it is a simple game that makes them addicted to gambling.
There are some games that are not in the gambling category, but they are addicted to playing until they bet something for adrenaline games so that one player must win the game to get a reward, any type of bet is not just money then everything is included in gambling. Even here there is a thread discussing ludo games to add to gambling, even though the majority are not interested in the game for gambling but there are types of gamblers who bet on physical ludo games because there is a different impression when they play ludo for gambling.
Sports games were never meant to become games that will be used for gambling, they were created and played for physical activities and enjoyment for those playing and those watching as well, but nowadays, sports betting has become so famous that almost every kind of sports game is available for the public to bet on.

So in the world where we live today, every single game can become a gambling game if there are two people willing to have a bet whether it's between two friends, the game becomes a gambling game for them since they've bet something with each other on the winner.

People want to give more excitement with their entertainment that's the reason why they make gambling with this even just a small form of  casual conversation the person's ego wants to win the game to get his pride on it, people take this seriously and people just take it for fun it depends how does it takes in a situation this form of gambling always happen in sports event like there's different biases of players and teams this could be a support to the team you like and at the same time make a gambling to your friends or other people and taking risk if there's money or asset involve.
You are very right, your comment made me remember an incident that happened in my area one time, this was a long time ago though, happened like around 2008 and so..

A football match was going on and two good friends, one supporting team A while the other was supporting team B, they were watching the match in a viewing center wit lots of crowd.
Both of them were well to do - the one supporting team A said there no way his team will not win the match, and the one supporting team B of course argued that team A will loose to his own team, argument continued until the one supporting team A brought out his car key as a Bet, they both brought out their car keys saying that which ever team wins the match, the one supporting that team will drive away with the two cars.

At the end of the match, team B won, and the one that was supporting team A forcefully collected his car key from their escrow, that was how problem started, in no time, a serious fight broke out, which later lead to two lives lost and several injured, and the irony of the whole thing is that, this two friends who started the whole thing escaped before police arrived the scene and started arresting innocent civilians.

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May 08, 2023, 02:47:26 PM
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In my opinion, it's not gambling if you don't stake something valuable, something like money or what you can sell for money. Time is a valuable thing, no doubt about that. But if we go fishing, risking to lose our time and get nothing in return, we don't call it gambling, do we? No one does.

The example in the OP is gambling related, but we shouldn't call it gambling if nothing is at stake, I think.
You're correct, if we use time consuming is a form of gamble, I think most of activity in this world is called as gambling, then all countries should legalize gambling because accept or not, you're live with time.

But stake a valuable thing isn't always gambling, we need to know the original source he get. Someone who's gamble using valuable coins e.g. Bitcoin by claiming through the casino faucet isn't called as gambling since he's not risking anything, he get the coins by free.

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Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

Absolutely correct mate, you know when you are getting into a system newly, you would need to get familiarized with the system on how it works though and I think that is the best thing to do at the moment one decides to get involved in anything of that nature. As you have said,  gamers  will do that because it is quite a different thing from playing games. This is reality and would require all forms of skills and techniques quite different from playing of games. You know as well it requires commitment and funds compared to playing of games.
So therefore, it would not be a bad idea familiarizing with the casino demo system to getting more knowledge about how the system works before jumping in to it to commiting your funds for gambling.

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May 08, 2023, 08:11:49 PM
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They did not expect that from a game that doesn't get any rewards but turns into a game that finally gets rewards. This will make people addicted and eventually, they will realize that it is a simple game that makes them addicted to gambling.
There are some games that are not in the gambling category, but they are addicted to playing until they bet something for adrenaline games so that one player must win the game to get a reward, any type of bet is not just money then everything is included in gambling. Even here there is a thread discussing ludo games to add to gambling, even though the majority are not interested in the game for gambling but there are types of gamblers who bet on physical ludo games because there is a different impression when they play ludo for gambling.
Sports games were never meant to become games that will be used for gambling, they were created and played for physical activities and enjoyment for those playing and those watching as well, but nowadays, sports betting has become so famous that almost every kind of sports game is available for the public to bet on.

So in the world where we live today, every single game can become a gambling game if there are two people willing to have a bet whether it's between two friends, the game becomes a gambling game for them since they've bet something with each other on the winner.

People want to give more excitement with their entertainment that's the reason why they make gambling with this even just a small form of  casual conversation the person's ego wants to win the game to get his pride on it, people take this seriously and people just take it for fun it depends how does it takes in a situation this form of gambling always happen in sports event like there's different biases of players and teams this could be a support to the team you like and at the same time make a gambling to your friends or other people and taking risk if there's money or asset involve.

People have many controversies with the ways of playing,of course,the ego is something that will always be very influential in some, the normal thing is that they always bet with real money, they want to demonstrate their supremacy, but things have to go beyond what is normal, almost Nobody likes to play with money that is not real,because they Win and they trust and when they trust in a casino Game it is the worst thing that can happen, because the Person makes very high bets and it happens that when they do those high bets lose and when they make low bets they win, that is the Possible Stress it can give.
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The idea originally way back in 2014 or similar times was BTC is not money so hey its not really gambling exactly only the national currency can surely be declared as proper currency so whats your problem.  Now somehow this virtual thingy nobody knew what it was is a thing governments want to regulate and ultimately tax etc. so apparently the answer is anything at all counts as money, furry toys can be tradable commodities I guess so you can gamble those too and anything at all.
  Everything is currency possibly and so anything can be a gamble is somehow true.  I always say to gamble is a human nature everyday thing, risk cannot be eliminated we all gamble in many things we do as nothing in life is for certain.

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I don't see money as an important tools for us to make bet since the there are many things we can even bet with without using money. We can bet with our properties and if we become fortunate to win then we are going to take the opponent's belongings because we bet on them. Money is not a prerequisite for us to make bet.

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I don't see money as an important tools for us to make bet since the there are many things we can even bet with without using money. We can bet with our properties and if we become fortunate to win then we are going to take the opponent's belongings because we bet on them. Money is not a prerequisite for us to make bet.
is not good for someone to use the property for gambling using your property for gambling you will lose whatever things that you have achieved in life because there is every possibility that you might lose the first birth and you will try to make use of second property to bed and when you continue to make use of them you might lose all within small interval of time so it is back alright that will use money or will use bitcoin or will use any option for gambling

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May 09, 2023, 03:38:04 PM
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The idea originally way back in 2014 or similar times was BTC is not money so hey its not really gambling exactly only the national currency can surely be declared as proper currency so whats your problem.  Now somehow this virtual thingy nobody knew what it was is a thing governments want to regulate and ultimately tax etc. so apparently the answer is anything at all counts as money, furry toys can be tradable commodities I guess so you can gamble those too and anything at all.
  Everything is currency possibly and so anything can be a gamble is somehow true.  I always say to gamble is a human nature everyday thing, risk cannot be eliminated we all gamble in many things we do as nothing in life is for certain.
I don't see how that is relevant, Bitcoin has always had a value since it was launched, so even if it was recognized, popular, and as valuable as today or not, it was still something valuable, and if you are putting something up at stake that has a value, no matter how big or small, you are basically gambling because you can lose that thing.

But, when it comes to playing a game, even if it involves predictions or anything, you are not putting anything up at stake that you may lose but you can win something if you win, how is that gambling? It is not.

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Yes, sure. After all, passion is deposited in the subconscious of a person.
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I don't see money as an important tools for us to make bet since the there are many things we can even bet with without using money. We can bet with our properties and if we become fortunate to win then we are going to take the opponent's belongings because we bet on them. Money is not a prerequisite for us to make bet.
yes, you are right that not all gambling and betting using money can use assets or personal property, wherever all gambling can be done by minors or adults or the elderly, all of them can gamble without using money, even my friends have bets on vehicles his motorcycle while betting on sports betting world cup final yesterday.

Finally my friend lost a bet because France was defeated by Argentina, that's why until now my friend hates Argentina so much because of that defeat he had to lose his favorite motorbike, even though gambling like that is actually too risky, I prefer to bet with small money than gambling without money, because playing or gambling without money is just a waste of time.  Grin

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I'd say that this still qualifies as gambling. You may not be staking money in the process but you're still playing with your chances anyway. That is considered gambling even if nothing is at stake. You still poured your time and effort researching who's going to be the top scorers and all those stats. There is also the possibility of a win, so if that's not gambling to you then I don't know what it.

Free bets are also considered gambling. You didn't stake anything in this instance, so what differentiates it from free bets?
As long as you take some chances or risk, even if there’s no real money involved, I think that still falls for gambling. Gambling anyway is dealing on what is uncertain having yourself tied on it without gaining an assurance if you will succeed or not. Just like free bets from gambling casinos, there is no stake involved, but it’s a matter of marketing strategy so that once you win, you will be attached to it and you start betting with real money involved.
What's the risk if there is no stake? And how does it fall under gambling if there is no risk of losing anything? Gambling is basically when you put something up at stake in order to get something extra with it if you manage to win but you also bear the risk of losing what you've put at stake from your own side if there is no stake from your end, you are not gambling, you are just trying to win something which isn't gambling.

Playing a game where there is a prize for the winner isn't considered gambling, then how come playing a fantasy league where the winner gets a prize based on their performance and rank falls under gambling? That doesn't make any sense.

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May 10, 2023, 04:16:53 AM
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
What do you consider the risk to be about if there is no money at stake? Every single game is a win-or-lose type of game, but not every game in the world is a gambling game or should be considered one unless there is something staked on it and I don't see OP mentioning anywhere that there is some requirement for it.

If there is nothing of value at stake, it cannot be considered gambling at all, and risk is only when you have something at stake which you can potentially lose if you don't make a correct prediction.

Well, there what he was able to understand is that there are times when it is scary to place bets with money, but that is normal only at the Beginning, then later that fear is lost,the Important thing is that if you place sports bets you have to be clear that here the greatest Responsibility is on the part of the bettor, because there are only two possibilities in general, and here things must be fully Fulfilled, if you know enough about a sport and if it is considered a fan help,but if it is not, and it is left Carrying by the emcoines or by what the rest says is like doing complemtante gambling.

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May 10, 2023, 11:16:36 AM
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No. It's called a game. You play, you win or you lose but you didn't really lose anything physically. When I was a kid my cousins use to play cards and whoever loses will fix the cards, shuffle them, and distribute them again. If you are lazy, you won't like doing it.
Did we gamble? No. We just played a game of cards and we didn't actually lose or gain anything. That is why our relatives older than us are just letting us do it because there's no money involved.
Sometimes we forget that the games used in gambling are actually just simple games before without money on the line. Now, when we see them we say it's gambling.
Exactly! You can play in predictions, you can give some advices. But it still a game until you`re ready to risk some money to prove your words. It is possible that free predictions may be better than someone`s who bet his money for it. But i`ll believe the man, who risks with me, he has more reasons to be more accurate in his predictions.

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May 10, 2023, 08:45:51 PM
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I'd say that this still qualifies as gambling. You may not be staking money in the process but you're still playing with your chances anyway. That is considered gambling even if nothing is at stake. You still poured your time and effort researching who's going to be the top scorers and all those stats. There is also the possibility of a win, so if that's not gambling to you then I don't know what it.

Free bets are also considered gambling. You didn't stake anything in this instance, so what differentiates it from free bets?
As long as you take some chances or risk, even if there’s no real money involved, I think that still falls for gambling. Gambling anyway is dealing on what is uncertain having yourself tied on it without gaining an assurance if you will succeed or not. Just like free bets from gambling casinos, there is no stake involved, but it’s a matter of marketing strategy so that once you win, you will be attached to it and you start betting with real money involved.
What's the risk if there is no stake? And how does it fall under gambling if there is no risk of losing anything? Gambling is basically when you put something up at stake in order to get something extra with it if you manage to win but you also bear the risk of losing what you've put at stake from your own side if there is no stake from your end, you are not gambling, you are just trying to win something which isn't gambling.

Playing a game where there is a prize for the winner isn't considered gambling, then how come playing a fantasy league where the winner gets a prize based on their performance and rank falls under gambling? That doesn't make any sense.

For everything in life you have to take risks, there should be nothing like no other, a player can always play in demo mode and they will have experience, they will know how to use the casino well, but the important thing is to play to win, we all enter a casino is to seek to win, yes, I know that there is fun and everything you want, all that they say to guarantee the best time for a person, raise the adrenaline and have everything available to enjoy, but let's be clear about things What you want is to win, and when you don't win, there is nothing left but to accept things, but you always want to win.
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