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July 01, 2023, 09:32:56 AM
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But for obvious reasons,  some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.
I believe what happens is that when there isn't money involved gamblers don't feel the excitement they use to have when betting for real money. When there is nothing to lose and nothing considerable to win the effects on your brain are different. The release of dopamine doesn't happen, your heart doesn't beat faster, you don't get chills. There aren't high expectations regards the outcome, because if winning or losing the bet it won't make any difference on your life.

It's like people say: no pain, no gain, although in gambling I think we could say: no risk, no thrill.
If it is a gambler, they will not find it any challenge as there is no money involved, and it can make them unwilling to continue. But if there is money, they will surely be eager to continue, and this is where the real temptation of gambling lies. And maybe if there weren't any money, prizes, or anything at stake, it wouldn't be gambling but just an ordinary game played by two or more people. And we also have often experienced it and maybe felt the fun playing the game. Like for example, we compete or play games on phones. We don't get money or anything but only find pleasure in playing it.

For any challenge , games or whatever has to do with casinos , it must always be considered that if there is no game there is no Excitement for some people, that is Something that cannot be Changed from one day to the Next, things When it comes to casinos it's Different , you have Interests that make your game monopolize attention, and it's the same essence of winning or losing money , of hitting it and you're the winner, I think that's what Makes Everything come true See so Interesting, when we Play with money that is not real, things can be Boring , but for educational and learning aspects it is what Normally should be done and play with play money.

Indeed, your outlook on the intoxicating thrill of wagering - the adrenaline rushes, the defeats and victories - is enlightening. This emotional whirlwind has an undeniable allure. Yet, I question your dismissal of 'play money.' Consider this: 'Play money' could be a training ground for understanding casino dynamics, couldn't it? A safety net that mitigates financial risks while encouraging growth. It's a win-win: enjoy the game while bypassing fiscal consequences! Plus, it fosters discipline for when real stakes are involved. So, I champion 'play money' as a stepping-stone to safer and smarter gaming.

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July 01, 2023, 10:08:12 AM
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But for obvious reasons,  some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.
I believe what happens is that when there isn't money involved gamblers don't feel the excitement they use to have when betting for real money. When there is nothing to lose and nothing considerable to win the effects on your brain are different. The release of dopamine doesn't happen, your heart doesn't beat faster, you don't get chills. There aren't high expectations regards the outcome, because if winning or losing the bet it won't make any difference on your life.

It's like people say: no pain, no gain, although in gambling I think we could say: no risk, no thrill.
If it is a gambler, they will not find it any challenge as there is no money involved, and it can make them unwilling to continue. But if there is money, they will surely be eager to continue, and this is where the real temptation of gambling lies. And maybe if there weren't any money, prizes, or anything at stake, it wouldn't be gambling but just an ordinary game played by two or more people. And we also have often experienced it and maybe felt the fun playing the game. Like for example, we compete or play games on phones. We don't get money or anything but only find pleasure in playing it.

For any challenge , games or whatever has to do with casinos , it must always be considered that if there is no game there is no Excitement for some people, that is Something that cannot be Changed from one day to the Next, things When it comes to casinos it's Different , you have Interests that make your game monopolize attention, and it's the same essence of winning or losing money , of hitting it and you're the winner, I think that's what Makes Everything come true See so Interesting, when we Play with money that is not real, things can be Boring , but for educational and learning aspects it is what Normally should be done and play with play money.

what is the category of games that can be classified as educational games,  can we put Crash into such categories because as for me there is nothing educational in playing gambling games if we say for passing time yes I may agree with that since gambling is one of the coolest ways to kill time since cashing fun is always time-consuming.

But then the involvement of money in gambling have really created room for the constant involvement of players since most of them are all in for the winning and money is the motivation.
It has to be either money or any other valuable things attached to it, else, it's no more gambling as nothing committed is attributed to it. In that case, it's mere playing and not gambling. And you rightly said it, the fact that money is involved is also a motivation that would want people to want to gamble more, without this, people would just see it as a means of fun. It would also never be possible to build any business around it this way.

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July 01, 2023, 01:00:55 PM
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You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.
people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.
We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

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July 01, 2023, 01:15:53 PM
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We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

Staking down your money is what makes it to be called gambling and also gives you the right to have the opportunity to claiming your money if you win since you've taken the risk of loosing the money through gambling by staking it, without money being involved people will not regards it as gambling than child's play because they believe you're still not giving or making a ground on what you're playing without betting it.

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July 01, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
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You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.
people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.
We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

We can not consider gambling when there's no money involved but if they will use things as a bet then it will be called gambling for me. Because once you are guaranteeing anything then that must be called gambling. Anyways nowadays gambling is everywhere means whenever you go there's a gambler playing their favorite game and bet some money hoping that in the end of the day they will gain more money.
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July 01, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
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For any challenge , games or whatever has to do with casinos , it must always be considered that if there is no game there is no Excitement for some people, that is Something that cannot be Changed from one day to the Next, things When it comes to casinos it's Different , you have Interests that make your game monopolize attention, and it's the same essence of winning or losing money , of hitting it and you're the winner, I think that's what Makes Everything come true See so Interesting, when we Play with money that is not real, things can be Boring , but for educational and learning aspects it is what Normally should be done and play with play money.
what is the category of games that can be classified as educational games,  can we put Crash into such categories because as for me there is nothing educational in playing gambling games if we say for passing time yes I may agree with that since gambling is one of the coolest ways to kill time since cashing fun is always time-consuming.

But then the involvement of money in gambling have really created room for the constant involvement of players since most of them are all in for the winning and money is the motivation.
If I understood correctly, he didn't mean that there are games in gambling that are educational, what he meant was that gambling with demo accounts or in demo mode can be boring but it must be done for learning purposes, and by learning it means to understand how a particular game works and how are the graphics, what you can win for different things if they come, these things are all available in slot machines which are the most played games.

When we talk about the involvement of real money, it obviously is more fun playing with real money since you get to have real money when you hit a big win which isn't the case with free money, unless you are losing which is only good in demo mode since you won't lose real money.

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July 01, 2023, 08:47:58 PM
Last edit: July 01, 2023, 09:47:05 PM by erep
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It is really just that there are people who does really love on asking out on something that they do already know. In general then if you arent risking something even not on fiat or physical money form
then it wont really be a gamble. You would really be gambling on something which you do see that you could really be able to benefit into it and this is the time we would really be risking on something
whether it would really be completely lost or would really be getting on the thing that you do want but everything would really be depending or basing up on your luck.
I think everyone doesn't ask something they know unless they haven't found the right answer to that question or the question is multi-definition according to their own perspective. He cites the key word "betting" so one has doubts about whether betting without money is also gambling but the definition of gambling is clear that without betting money or anything physical it is not gambling.

I have never registered on the site that the OP shared, but I have reviewed that predictor game betting for entertainment purposes and competitive win game based on luck, other options can be utilized to get high winnings up to 1 million naira without betting money and we can try to hunt for luck.

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July 01, 2023, 09:31:45 PM
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You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.
people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.
We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.
That kind of play is different in gambling bets as this certainly talks about money and should be placed upon betting. Gambling is money, apart from that can't be considered gambling anymore as the loser will oblige to pay for his lost bets from his pocket and there is a sort of feelings or emotions. And to that example that you've cited, despite the fact that you lose, you are still happy doing it, treating your friends, unlike the feeling that you lose from gambling - that was a disappointment.
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July 02, 2023, 01:49:26 AM
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We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.
I disagree, if you are putting something at risk in an event that could go either way then this is a form of gambling, there are many fans which are so crazy about their teams that when two popular teams face each other their fans make all kind of bets among each other, and the ones that bring the most attention are not the ones that involve money but the ones which involve doing something humiliating or something extreme, like for example shaving all your head.

So while we are used to think about gambling exclusively as a way to risk our money, this is not really true if you think about it.
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July 02, 2023, 01:58:30 AM
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We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.
I disagree, if you are putting something at risk in an event that could go either way then this is a form of gambling, there are many fans which are so crazy about their teams that when two popular teams face each other their fans make all kind of bets among each other, and the ones that bring the most attention are not the ones that involve money but the ones which involve doing something humiliating or something extreme, like for example shaving all your head.

So while we are used to think about gambling exclusively as a way to risk our money, this is not really true if you think about it.

In the above post he said that if the party or people who lose will have to give the treat to the other party then it will qualify as a bet.

Although they do not have placed initial money on this bet but it is mutually understood between the two that the one who loses will give the treat and of course the treat will not be in the form of money but ofcourse it will be anything which has a value and can be counted in terms of money.

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July 02, 2023, 02:16:11 AM
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You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.
people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.
We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.
That kind of play is different in gambling bets as this certainly talks about money and should be placed upon betting. Gambling is money, apart from that can't be considered gambling anymore as the loser will oblige to pay for his lost bets from his pocket and there is a sort of feelings or emotions. And to that example that you've cited, despite the fact that you lose, you are still happy doing it, treating your friends, unlike the feeling that you lose from gambling - that was a disappointment.

That's what we called friendly gambling or friendly game because there is still pride involved with it. Even without money, you can still gamble as long as there is something on the line, even if it is just a simple command, like if you lose, you'll do this. The feeling with it is not also the same with money on the line because this is more fun as both of you will be doing it and friendly mocking each other. Though this still depends on others views, we are not the same.
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July 02, 2023, 10:47:44 AM
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You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.
people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.
We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.
That kind of play is different in gambling bets as this certainly talks about money and should be placed upon betting. Gambling is money, apart from that can't be considered gambling anymore as the loser will oblige to pay for his lost bets from his pocket and there is a sort of feelings or emotions. And to that example that you've cited, despite the fact that you lose, you are still happy doing it, treating your friends, unlike the feeling that you lose from gambling - that was a disappointment.

That's what we called friendly gambling or friendly game because there is still pride involved with it. Even without money, you can still gamble as long as there is something on the line, even if it is just a simple command, like if you lose, you'll do this. The feeling with it is not also the same with money on the line because this is more fun as both of you will be doing it and friendly mocking each other. Though this still depends on others views, we are not the same.
I don't think that when money is not involved by those participants,it is called gamble. Gambling means that you must place a bet and that is what will make you more serious in it because you know that if you lose,your money is gone. In this case,there is nobody losing anything but you can win when you predict correctly,gambling is either profit or loss. Therefore,I can call such as a reward because for you to get rewarded,you must have shown some quality that is outstanding from the rest people that you took part in an event or in a assignment.
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July 02, 2023, 10:48:27 AM
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It's not free. someone pays for it
You are making zero sense here. People who post contests in the games and rounds section like me pay for them out of our own volition. The winners are receiving the prizes free of charge as long as the contests are legit.

The winners are clearly getting a free lunch which implies that your statements are wrong. Think!

as I said, someone pays. not sure why you do it, but you recieve something back. merits can have value for example. I think I know the goal here.

Oh c'mon, man! There's an established meaning to the phrase "there is no free lunch". It doesn't mean "someone pays", rather it means you are paying without realizing it. And, in fact, you are paying nothing when using free bets. So, this phrase that our grandmas are so fancy to use all the time, it's not completely accurate in some cases nowadays. Smiley

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We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

When gambling you have to risk something that if you lose you also lose that thing that you staked earlier so what your friends were doing was betting or gambling depending on the name you want to give it. Betting or gambling isn't done with only money there's other things that can be used.

People can bet with anything that represents money to them or they have value in. Example if I was to stake my Bitcoin for a bet and someone doesn't know what Bitcoin is then they won't value it but for those that are informed about what bitcoin is, they'll accept the bet.

In your words there was an obligations that has to be done if anyone lose and that's what makes it a bet, the treat that had to be given is what's used to represent money in your example. Value was given to the treat like what money represent in the gambling world.

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For any challenge , games or whatever has to do with casinos , it must always be considered that if there is no game there is no Excitement for some people, that is Something that cannot be Changed from one day to the Next, things When it comes to casinos it's Different , you have Interests that make your game monopolize attention, and it's the same essence of winning or losing money , of hitting it and you're the winner, I think that's what Makes Everything come true See so Interesting, when we Play with money that is not real, things can be Boring , but for educational and learning aspects it is what Normally should be done and play with play money.
For this reason, gamblers prefer games that use money because they will feel the tension that can stimulate adrenaline and make them feel pleasure. The essence of gambling is that using money will make the game more exciting, especially when we can win and get money. That's what makes the difference between games that don't use money and those that use money. But if you don't use money or only play using demo mode, it's probably just a game, and there is no element of challenge for gamblers to get. And if there's no money, it's not gambling even though it's game in the casino, and we only use money that isn't real. It can make us feel very easy to win it.

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I don't think that when money is not involved by those participants,it is called gamble. Gambling means that you must place a bet and that is what will make you more serious in it because you know that if you lose,your money is gone. In this case,there is nobody losing anything but you can win when you predict correctly,gambling is either profit or loss. Therefore,I can call such as a reward because for you to get rewarded,you must have shown some quality that is outstanding from the rest people that you took part in an event or in a assignment.
Yes, there must be something at stake to be considered gambling. It can be direct money or any other valuable physical or digital goods. wherever it goes, there must be financial gain and loss in some way, then it can be considered as gambling. however, not only casino or sports bets are considered gambling, any kind of betting is considered gambling. But there must be a financial relationship. so according to the op's topic it can be said Without money, nothing is not qualify as gambling

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July 02, 2023, 08:22:45 PM
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I don't think that when money is not involved by those participants,it is called gamble. Gambling means that you must place a bet and that is what will make you more serious in it because you know that if you lose,your money is gone. In this case,there is nobody losing anything but you can win when you predict correctly,gambling is either profit or loss. Therefore,I can call such as a reward because for you to get rewarded,you must have shown some quality that is outstanding from the rest people that you took part in an event or in a assignment.
Yes, there must be something at stake to be considered gambling. It can be direct money or any other valuable physical or digital goods. wherever it goes, there must be financial gain and loss in some way, then it can be considered as gambling. however, not only casino or sports bets are considered gambling, any kind of betting is considered gambling. But there must be a financial relationship. so according to the op's topic it can be said Without money, nothing is not qualify as gambling
You are right that it is not a condition of the bet and it cannot be called a bet if it does not use money but the prize is getting money, is that considered as gambling?
Since the Op said the prediction is done for free and if the prediction is correct there will be a real money prize from here I think this might not be considered as gambling but isn't it like that would trigger people to gamble with real money?

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July 02, 2023, 11:19:16 PM
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But for obvious reasons,  some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.
I believe what happens is that when there isn't money involved gamblers don't feel the excitement they use to have when betting for real money. When there is nothing to lose and nothing considerable to win the effects on your brain are different. The release of dopamine doesn't happen, your heart doesn't beat faster, you don't get chills. There aren't high expectations regards the outcome, because if winning or losing the bet it won't make any difference on your life.

It's like people say: no pain, no gain, although in gambling I think we could say: no risk, no thrill.
If it is a gambler, they will not find it any challenge as there is no money involved, and it can make them unwilling to continue. But if there is money, they will surely be eager to continue, and this is where the real temptation of gambling lies. And maybe if there weren't any money, prizes, or anything at stake, it wouldn't be gambling but just an ordinary game played by two or more people. And we also have often experienced it and maybe felt the fun playing the game. Like for example, we compete or play games on phones. We don't get money or anything but only find pleasure in playing it.

For any challenge , games or whatever has to do with casinos , it must always be considered that if there is no game there is no Excitement for some people, that is Something that cannot be Changed from one day to the Next, things When it comes to casinos it's Different , you have Interests that make your game monopolize attention, and it's the same essence of winning or losing money , of hitting it and you're the winner, I think that's what Makes Everything come true See so Interesting, when we Play with money that is not real, things can be Boring , but for educational and learning aspects it is what Normally should be done and play with play money.


So with a session where a player plays play money, then it is just gaming and not gambling, right?  Even though there is no reward in using play money, I often find myself enjoying the spin made with the no-value bet since I am free to buy bonuses without spending any amount of money and see how it will unfold.  Since I prefer base bet spinning than bonus buying due to limited bankroll, with play money, I can indulge myself on buying unlimited bonus buy.  It is funny to think but I am really enjoying such thing.

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July 02, 2023, 11:47:38 PM
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That's what we called friendly gambling or friendly game because there is still pride involved with it. Even without money, you can still gamble as long as there is something on the line, even if it is just a simple command, like if you lose, you'll do this. The feeling with it is not also the same with money on the line because this is more fun as both of you will be doing it and friendly mocking each other. Though this still depends on others views, we are not the same.
But it's going far to be off topic from the context. You have money and you can gamble with it. You have no money and you will not able to gambling. It's all related to the gambling. I don't even care what you have stated above was about friendly game or whatever it is but it's not related to the gambling.
Money is the main thing required in gambling as people are willing to doubled or tripled their money through putting it in the casino or sporsbetting.

People without money can't play casino. Money is the main purpose here in doing gambling. I believe you understood it.

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July 02, 2023, 11:59:32 PM
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There is a physiological and physiological effect in gambling that is either in play or if not present disqualifies the game from the feel of a proper gambling game for a gambler.    To me any game can be valid, some or I think maybe all the largest risks Ive taken have been non monetary so to me gambling is every day not just  within a casino.   I dont encourage doing dangerous activities but its related in risk and gambling I think and in the brain the dopamine and all the internal reactions the body has to adrenaline response and feel good or not is related even without money.    I know money is everything to alot of people but to me its not a proper description of whats going on with a risk based game, I mostly want to win thats the big deal.

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