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September 01, 2023, 05:02:51 PM
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However the society does not see the successful gambler as gambling addict. They treat them as role model for other gamblers which is not right.

Once you're being successful in gambling for a time, know that it's not all about that alone, it has to be maintained on be a consistent or regular experience you should be having, the challenge here now is that how many successful gamblers are addicted gamblers or maybe we should buy it this way that how many addicted gamblers were being successful.

As long as you are winning , people will appraise you even if you are addicted to gambling. That's a sad reality.

People will definitely see the success in what you do and not minding in knowing the path through which you've troaded on to have achieved such result with gambling, which is true that people were not after the process, all they want is the end results in what we do.
Yes, maybe stopping for a moment to take time and enjoy the victory in my opinion is very necessary, why not? because someone in the future has to rethink what strategy to do to gamble again and hope that the strategy that is carried out will make himself lucky again.
And I agree that other people can only see the process we have done in gambling and later they will judge for themselves the results we get, whether we win or lose.

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September 02, 2023, 09:31:24 AM
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In my opinion you are looking at things too one-sidedly. Any addiction can have several stages. No one sells their house and puts all their money on the line on the second day of gambling. In addition, not everyone is able to bring themselves to such despair and such people are likely to have mental health problems, which in combination with gambling and lead a person to trouble.
All of us are somewhat dependent on gambling if we play them and a successful player is no exception, he just knows how to control himself and is fully aware of his actions.

That's a good point.

Addiction takes time, people start with a few dollars, and then eventually it continues increasing until at some point they will be betting hundreds or thousands of dollars without much worries.

It's at that point where really bad things can happen. Someone can lose their entire life savings in an afternoon.

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September 02, 2023, 10:43:43 AM
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That's a good point.

Addiction takes time, people start with a few dollars, and then eventually it continues increasing until at some point they will be betting hundreds or thousands of dollars without much worries.

It's at that point where really bad things can happen. Someone can lose their entire life savings in an afternoon.
Yes, it is true that addiction will make a person poor, because I rarely see addicts becoming rich, on the contrary, it makes addicts bankrupt and moreover many commit suicide because of large debts because they are ashamed of their families, that's why they are always reminded to gamble with be responsible and gamble wisely because it is difficult to recover from addiction.

There are lots of threads discussing addiction on this forum so that you can remind beginner gamblers, especially not to play like that, starting with small bets then getting big and out of control, after being broke and poor, you only realize that you are addicted, I think it is important to continue to remind beginners to be more careful when gambling.

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September 02, 2023, 10:54:45 AM
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Yes, it is true that addiction will make a person poor, because I rarely see addicts becoming rich, on the contrary, it makes addicts bankrupt and moreover many commit suicide because of large debts because they are ashamed of their families, that's why they are always reminded to gamble with be responsible and gamble wisely because it is difficult to recover from addiction.

There are lots of threads discussing addiction on this forum so that you can remind beginner gamblers, especially not to play like that, starting with small bets then getting big and out of control, after being broke and poor, you only realize that you are addicted, I think it is important to continue to remind beginners to be more careful when gambling.

This is what I commonly see, hear, and read too. I guess the usual scenario of gambling addicts that don't have the means to sustain his vices in the first place really involves becoming poor because he isn't financially literate to begin with and having piled up burdens on their chest such as having anxiety, depression, and other mental illnesses because they neglect themselves. They prioritize gambling instead of taking care of themselves and their future. Which is really a problematic thing since it will have a chain reaction if you ever go downhill.

Most rich persons who became rich because of gambling, I can't really say they are addicted. I'd rather say they are passionate about gambling because they managed to grow profit by playing. In this case, they have what it takes to be successful such as the knowledge, determination, and of course discipline that made them achieve their current standing. If they are just like any addicts, they wouldn't be successful since gambling addicts are known to chase winnings despite it being impractical and irrational.
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September 02, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?
Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

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September 02, 2023, 12:43:29 PM
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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?
Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.
They are as addicted as we think but the difference is that they are able to control themselves from not overspending which is why even they are into gambling every day but still, they keep on limits. That is why they become successful and their bad experience taught them something about how to stay in gambling without compromising their finances. It could be different from what we literally understand about addiction but as we are in gambling, losses is very possible even though we are successful.

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September 02, 2023, 06:23:21 PM
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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?
Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.
He's not wrong, but many people think that if someone can win a lot of money and can win it more often than other people, that person can be said to be a successful gambler. However, a successful gambler cannot be said to be a gambling addict because at least they have many things that can prevent them from becoming addicted. Meanwhile, people who cannot control themselves will get addicted to gambling, which will happen in no time. People who are successful at gambling may be able to avoid gambling addiction because they know that they have the possibility of losing. And if they have lost, they can return to playing. Even in a matter of minutes, they will continue their gambling game. But a successful gambler knows that he cannot win games forever, so he must be able to stop after winning.

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Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

Yeah, that's the thing. People do get addicted at gambling, because it is fun to win money basically.

And people win from time to time when gambling.

The problem is that people lose more than what they win, so it's not a great idea in the end.

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September 03, 2023, 12:39:04 PM
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Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

Yeah, that's the thing. People do get addicted at gambling, because it is fun to win money basically.

And people win from time to time when gambling.

The problem is that people lose more than what they win, so it's not a great idea in the end.

Yes I agree with this, simply put people who gamble are addicted, but I think the addiction factor can be measured, how often they go there to gamble and how rarely they do it, it can be a benchmark for us to see whether they are already addicted at a high level or still below average. There is no denying that winning is their main goal why they always come to gamble.

True, everyone has their own amount to lose in gambling, some may only lose some of their pocket money and some may lose everything they have and not infrequently make their economy and family fall apart. Therefore, the truth is that even if you have the excuse that you are doing it for fun, it is still basically an addiction but in a low level, so it does not mean that you should continue doing it, and there is nothing better unless you stop doing it because it will only create new problems for your life.

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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

     -   I'm not the type of gambler with an addiction because I only play when I want to, and the amount I gamble is limited, and when it runs out, I stop immediately. That's just what I do as a player in a casino here in cryptogaming. Although sometimes I feel tempted, somehow I overcome it. Because I know what happens when we give in to temptation.

Then I think that successful gamblers are those who win a large amount of money and then rarely gamble because the size of what they won was invested in building a business, and that's what they prioritize.

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September 03, 2023, 01:28:41 PM
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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?
Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.
I totally agree with your opinion about successful people in gambling and the general notion that most of them are gambling addicts because it's one thing to be successful in gambling and totally a different thing to be a gambling addict because.
It takes careful analysis about gambling, when it's best to gamble and also when to stop to be successful in gambling while a gambling addicts most times doesn't follow any procedure because of their unquenchable desire to win as soon as possible which in most cases makes them to lose way too more than can ever win

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September 03, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
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In my opinion, gambling addiction has nothing to do with the success of the gambler. Based on the mathematical analysis of gambling in the long term almost every gambler will lose to the casino or bookmaker. What success are you talking about? We are all well aware that gambling is not a job, which means in this area will not be able to earn consistently. Today you are successful, and tomorrow you lose everything. Or am I wrong?
Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.
He's not wrong, but many people think that if someone can win a lot of money and can win it more often than other people, that person can be said to be a successful gambler. However, a successful gambler cannot be said to be a gambling addict because at least they have many things that can prevent them from becoming addicted. Meanwhile, people who cannot control themselves will get addicted to gambling, which will happen in no time. People who are successful at gambling may be able to avoid gambling addiction because they know that they have the possibility of losing. And if they have lost, they can return to playing. Even in a matter of minutes, they will continue their gambling game. But a successful gambler knows that he cannot win games forever, so he must be able to stop after winning.

I call those people gifted and passionate. When they succeed in a particular field, "addiction" will no longer suit them. For example, we often gamble, and people say we are addicted. But still gambling regularly and adding winning titles and prizes in gambling competitions, the words to describe us would be completely different.
Another more realistic example. If you gamble, the win will be yours. Then your wife will say you're great. Conversely, if you always lose, your wife will call you an addict.

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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

  Well, as the old saying goes; practice makes perfect. This also implies in the case of a "successful gambler". He/she has to spend some amount of time invested into gambling to be really good at it.  Plus I'd like to add a successful gambler would have to be smart about his or her choices when it comes to gambling.  I think it's only normal to be addicted...In the past, the psychiatric community generally regarded gambling as a compulsion rather than an addiction and one doesn't really have to be successful in it to be addicted (in my opinion).

   The need to gamble more to increase the amounts of money already accumulated, or even attempting to get back what was lost through gambling all boils down to the creation of addiction unknowingly to the individual involved.  Generally gambling is addictive, and a successful gambler would know this.

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September 03, 2023, 08:09:45 PM
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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

  Well, as the old saying goes; practice makes perfect. This also implies in the case of a "successful gambler". He/she has to spend some amount of time invested into gambling to be really good at it.  Plus I'd like to add a successful gambler would have to be smart about his or her choices when it comes to gambling.  I think it's only normal to be addicted...In the past, the psychiatric community generally regarded gambling as a compulsion rather than an addiction and one doesn't really have to be successful in it to be addicted (in my opinion).

   The need to gamble more to increase the amounts of money already accumulated, or even attempting to get back what was lost through gambling all boils down to the creation of addiction unknowingly to the individual involved.  Generally gambling is addictive, and a successful gambler would know this.
For many people, the term "successful gambler" is an oxymoron, but only a select handful can claim it. The ability to make wise decisions and knowledge are both essential. A thin line does exist, though. Even the most sage people can become blinded by the quest of more. While the compulsive gambler becomes stuck in a cycle of chasing losses, a smart gambler knows when to quit. Perhaps acquiring the skill of disengagement from the game is the key to true success. There is no denying the draw of gambling, but real success comes from realising how seductive it is. Earning money is important, but self-psychological control is also essential to success. Keep in mind that the house always has the advantage.

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I call those people gifted and passionate. When they succeed in a particular field, "addiction" will no longer suit them. For example, we often gamble, and people say we are addicted. But still gambling regularly and adding winning titles and prizes in gambling competitions, the words to describe us would be completely different.
Another more realistic example. If you gamble, the win will be yours. Then your wife will say you're great. Conversely, if you always lose, your wife will call you an addict.
I like your realistic thinking which means its all about money even wife would also say professional gamblers are not addicts when it comes to big wins. Roll Eyes

a gambling addict who has other talents such as developing a business or even developing his gambling talent to take part in gambling competitions to win prizes so that this talent will cover his addiction. but I would agree more if this addict has a healthy mind even though it is very difficult but if the will is big they will definitely be able to get through it, such as opening any business to get bigger results than in gambling.

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September 04, 2023, 02:53:08 AM
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Yes I agree with this, simply put people who gamble are addicted, but I think the addiction factor can be measured, how often they go there to gamble and how rarely they do it, it can be a benchmark for us to see whether they are already addicted at a high level or still below average. There is no denying that winning is their main goal why they always come to gamble.

True, everyone has their own amount to lose in gambling, some may only lose some of their pocket money and some may lose everything they have and not infrequently make their economy and family fall apart. Therefore, the truth is that even if you have the excuse that you are doing it for fun, it is still basically an addiction but in a low level, so it does not mean that you should continue doing it, and there is nothing better unless you stop doing it because it will only create new problems for your life.

Yeah, but with gambling the problem is that even with a single visit to the casino you can end up in financial ruin.

That's not very common in other addictions. Maybe heroine addiction, where just a single time might ruin your brain for the future.

Whereas most other drugs like alcohol for example require a longer time to get into an addiction or a really negative experience.

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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.
you have posted in perfect section mate so don't mind anything.
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Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?
there are two kind of addiction in gambling mate ..

- The one that continuously losing but keep on coming (accepting that he is a loser)

- The one that is good in gambling meaning some experts and yes a successful gambler.

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September 06, 2023, 02:52:19 PM
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I call those people gifted and passionate. When they succeed in a particular field, "addiction" will no longer suit them. For example, we often gamble, and people say we are addicted. But still gambling regularly and adding winning titles and prizes in gambling competitions, the words to describe us would be completely different.
Another more realistic example. If you gamble, the win will be yours. Then your wife will say you're great. Conversely, if you always lose, your wife will call you an addict.
There are not many talented people, so only those who are lucky can win, while other people only experience loss, and what's worse, many of them end up addicted to gambling. While talented people can win, they will not experience gambling addiction because they can control themselves so as not to be easily tempted by what they see. They better quit immediately after getting that win and not come back for the next few days.

Meanwhile, people who often gamble do not mean they are already addicted, but maybe they are starting to like gambling more so that if they don't realize it, it will gradually become an addiction. But if they can prevent it, they will not get addicted to gambling even though they like gambling.

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Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.

Yeah, that's the thing. People do get addicted at gambling, because it is fun to win money basically.

And people win from time to time when gambling.

The problem is that people lose more than what they win, so it's not a great idea in the end.
Losing is part of the game,and winning is exiting,as a Gambler, prepare to always want to lose and set your mind so that it won't affect you when you lose.
I can't count how many times I have lose my money because of gambling,but I don't take it to consideration because before I played the game,I knew that losing is part of the game,If at the end of the day,you win, better,but if you lose,then you have nobody to blame.All that is needed is for one to take an appropriate risk,so that when it will favour you,it will be that you win big amount of money which will make you forget all your lose in the past.

To everyone gambling,there is a day that they will be happy,and there are days they will cry, knowing all this and building your mind towards this makes you a matured gambler.

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Agree with you. Success in gambling of one who plays gambling does not make the person not to be addicted. Addiction in gambling is one who can't stay without playing gambling it doesn't mean if the game comes out successfully or not . One who succeeds in gambling must be addicted to gambling because I don't think it will be easy for the person to stop gambling. People get addicted to gambling because of the money involved in it, if success can make someone play gambling all time that means it is addiction.
Yeah, that's the thing. People do get addicted at gambling, because it is fun to win money basically.

And people win from time to time when gambling.

The problem is that people lose more than what they win, so it's not a great idea in the end.
The main problem is that people don't notice how much they are losing when they get some wins in between unless someone is keeping track of all their wagers and have a record of their wins and losses and then have an estimate at the end of the month or a year. But, most gamblers don't do that and only those who are responsible gamblers will keep track of their gambling activities and how much they are winning or losing in every gambling session.

So, an addicted gambler simply doesn't even know how much they are losing because they have gotten too deep into it. As you said, winning in gambling is fun and that is what addicted gamblers see only, and they don't even see that they have gambled all their money at the end of the day.

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