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November 01, 2023, 09:16:18 PM
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This is a unification fight, they'll do everything to make it a clean fight, and if that drug testing is requred, then I think both camp should comply with that.

That's a fair point. Anyone should be able to request drug testing to ensure that a boxer is not cheating. I believe it needs to be mandatory, especially for big fights like this one. Whoever wins this fight will become an undisputed champion, and it's detrimental to boxing if people start to doubt a champion's reputation due to non-compliance with drug testing rules.

Inoue's undeniable strength might lead opponents to question whether his power is natural or the result of performance-enhancing drugs.

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November 01, 2023, 09:59:16 PM
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This is a unification fight, they'll do everything to make it a clean fight, and if that drug testing is requred, then I think both camp should comply with that.

That's a fair point. Anyone should be able to request drug testing to ensure that a boxer is not cheating. I believe it needs to be mandatory, especially for big fights like this one. Whoever wins this fight will become an undisputed champion, and it's detrimental to boxing if people start to doubt a champion's reputation due to non-compliance with drug testing rules.

Inoue's undeniable strength might lead opponents to question whether his power is natural or the result of performance-enhancing drugs.
So this means that in every fight on which Inoue is really that taking up some drugs? This is really some shit kind of assumptions or throwing up some accusations without proof.
These ideas would really just come up on the time that there would really be some questions in regarding power and toughness on which people would really be starting on having doubts on which it isnt something new.
To remove out those kind of doubts and issues in regarding power then it should really be that mandatory or something that should really be added on boxing rules.
Accusations like this should really be something needs up to be proven but would they really that be allowing to take up some test before the fight? It should really be that fair
so that there would be no questions asked.

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November 01, 2023, 10:27:13 PM
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This is a unification fight, they'll do everything to make it a clean fight, and if that drug testing is requred, then I think both camp should comply with that.

That's a fair point. Anyone should be able to request drug testing to ensure that a boxer is not cheating. I believe it needs to be mandatory, especially for big fights like this one. Whoever wins this fight will become an undisputed champion, and it's detrimental to boxing if people start to doubt a champion's reputation due to non-compliance with drug testing rules.

Inoue's undeniable strength might lead opponents to question whether his power is natural or the result of performance-enhancing drugs.
So this means that in every fight on which Inoue is really that taking up some drugs? This is really some shit kind of assumptions or throwing up some accusations without proof.
These ideas would really just come up on the time that there would really be some questions in regarding power and toughness on which people would really be starting on having doubts on which it isnt something new.
To remove out those kind of doubts and issues in regarding power then it should really be that mandatory or something that should really be added on boxing rules.
Accusations like this should really be something needs up to be proven but would they really that be allowing to take up some test before the fight? It should really be that fair
so that there would be no questions asked.

This isn't an accusation but rather a request for drug testing, likely stemming from doubts within the Tapales camp prior to their significant fight. Given the high stakes in this match, it doesn't seem excessive. No boxer should be allowed to gain an unfair advantage, especially from Tapales' perspective. If he were to upset Inoue, it could propel his name to the forefront, opening doors for major fight opportunities and allowing him to have a say in revenue sharing arrangements.

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November 02, 2023, 12:58:38 AM
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So this means that in every fight on which Inoue is really that taking up some drugs? This is really some shit kind of assumptions or throwing up some accusations without proof.
These ideas would really just come up on the time that there would really be some questions in regarding power and toughness on which people would really be starting on having doubts on which it isnt something new.
To remove out those kind of doubts and issues in regarding power then it should really be that mandatory or something that should really be added on boxing rules.
Accusations like this should really be something needs up to be proven but would they really that be allowing to take up some test before the fight? It should really be that fair
so that there would be no questions asked.

No one is accusing Inoue that he is taking illegal substances but somehow, Team Tapales was requesting that there would be VADA testing to both fighters as to really know if Inoue did not take something. There this thing if the fight is being held in Japan that most of the Japanese teams will take advantage of some scenarios like what gloves to wear. This happens to Casimero and Fulton wherein they were persuaded to wear thick gloves but fortunately, their teams didn't heed to their request and still wore the thin gloves.
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November 02, 2023, 01:41:18 AM
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So this means that in every fight on which Inoue is really that taking up some drugs? This is really some shit kind of assumptions or throwing up some accusations without proof.
These ideas would really just come up on the time that there would really be some questions in regarding power and toughness on which people would really be starting on having doubts on which it isnt something new.
To remove out those kind of doubts and issues in regarding power then it should really be that mandatory or something that should really be added on boxing rules.
Accusations like this should really be something needs up to be proven but would they really that be allowing to take up some test before the fight? It should really be that fair
so that there would be no questions asked.

No one is accusing Inoue that he is taking illegal substances but somehow, Team Tapales was requesting that there would be VADA testing to both fighters as to really know if Inoue did not take something. There this thing if the fight is being held in Japan that most of the Japanese teams will take advantage of some scenarios like what gloves to wear. This happens to Casimero and Fulton wherein they were persuaded to wear thick gloves but fortunately, their teams didn't heed to their request and still wore the thin gloves.

It's fair though that team Tapales will request this kind of testing. And I think Inoue has been doing this as well every other fight. It's that maybe this is just highlighted by the camp of Tapales and make some noises about this. They could have their own allegations, but if there is no evidence, we could assume that Inoue is really clean and hasn't taken any drugs.

As for the gloves, I don't think it's significant though or has bearing on the result of the fight. Although it will favor Inoue to have thin gloves as he is the power puncher it could also backfire on him as it could case some hand injuries.

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November 02, 2023, 12:07:04 PM
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So this means that in every fight on which Inoue is really that taking up some drugs? This is really some shit kind of assumptions or throwing up some accusations without proof.
These ideas would really just come up on the time that there would really be some questions in regarding power and toughness on which people would really be starting on having doubts on which it isnt something new.
To remove out those kind of doubts and issues in regarding power then it should really be that mandatory or something that should really be added on boxing rules.
Accusations like this should really be something needs up to be proven but would they really that be allowing to take up some test before the fight? It should really be that fair
so that there would be no questions asked.

No one is accusing Inoue that he is taking illegal substances but somehow, Team Tapales was requesting that there would be VADA testing to both fighters as to really know if Inoue did not take something. There this thing if the fight is being held in Japan that most of the Japanese teams will take advantage of some scenarios like what gloves to wear. This happens to Casimero and Fulton wherein they were persuaded to wear thick gloves but fortunately, their teams didn't heed to their request and still wore the thin gloves.

It's fair though that team Tapales will request this kind of testing. And I think Inoue has been doing this as well every other fight. It's that maybe this is just highlighted by the camp of Tapales and make some noises about this. They could have their own allegations, but if there is no evidence, we could assume that Inoue is really clean and hasn't taken any drugs.

As for the gloves, I don't think it's significant though or has bearing on the result of the fight. Although it will favor Inoue to have thin gloves as he is the power puncher it could also backfire on him as it could case some hand injuries.
Possible that there might be already some test been done on every fight of Inoue on which same as you said that it turns out that it wasnt been on the talk and this is why it wasnt that emphasized or people do really talks about it. Cant be able to search up if these test are that being default or would really be just that upon request.. If it turns out to be that a thing that could be requested then it wont really be that a bad thing that Tapales team would really be that asking for such test and if Inoue would agree or none of them having some issues in regarding on this one then i dont thing for it to cause some delays which we know that there are really
lots of times on which fights are really that been delayed or postponed just because of having those disagreement on the said checks before the fight.

As for Tapales team then i do understand on having those kind of doubts on which they would really be that assuring that there would really be no substance involved with this fight.
We arent accusing but we cant also deny the possibilities as well which we do know that it does happen or exist on sports world.

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November 02, 2023, 12:16:01 PM
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It's fair though that team Tapales will request this kind of testing. And I think Inoue has been doing this as well every other fight. It's that maybe this is just highlighted by the camp of Tapales and make some noises about this. They could have their own allegations, but if there is no evidence, we could assume that Inoue is really clean and hasn't taken any drugs.
Regardless of the test outcome, even if Inoue is found to be drug-free, there should be no question about it. The purpose of such tests is to ensure that a boxer doesn't use medications that could improve their performance. It's unfair to boxers who work hard and compete honestly to win.

As for the gloves, I don't think it's significant though or has bearing on the result of the fight. Although it will favor Inoue to have thin gloves as he is the power puncher it could also backfire on him as it could case some hand injuries.

No matter what gloves they use, Inoue will always have a power advantage. What Tapales should do is simply avoid Inoue's punches and come up with a good strategy to land his own punches. If they continue to argue over even minor matters like this, it would become clear that they're just complicating things to make excuses, much like Inoue's previous opponent, Fulton.

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If they continue to argue over even minor matters like this, it would become clear that they're just complicating things to make excuses, much like Inoue's previous opponent, Fulton.

I recall this situation. Fulton's camp had many requests before the fight, and Inoue's team managed to fulfill them. However, the result was as expected. Fulton didn't come to fight; he came to survive and attempt to earn points, thinking the judges would favor him since he was the defending champion. But Inoue's relentless attacks finally caught up with Fulton, leading to a knockout and the end of his undefeated record.

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If they continue to argue over even minor matters like this, it would become clear that they're just complicating things to make excuses, much like Inoue's previous opponent, Fulton.

I recall this situation. Fulton's camp had many requests before the fight, and Inoue's team managed to fulfill them. However, the result was as expected. Fulton didn't come to fight; he came to survive and attempt to earn points, thinking the judges would favor him since he was the defending champion. But Inoue's relentless attacks finally caught up with Fulton, leading to a knockout and the end of his undefeated record.
Yes, definitely Fulton camp is very confident coming in the fight, but for added insurance, they have to request a lot of things in their favor against Inoue and they all have been honored by the Japanese. However, it doesn't matter to Inoue as he believed more on his talent that have this kind of advantage. And from round 1, we have seen the Fulton  when he felt the power of Inoue was very different.

He doesn't want to fight but just to survived in every round and thinks that he can score in the judges scorecard. But as you have said, he didn't even put a dent on Inoue, maybe he had 1 or 2 good rounds and hit Inoue flush, but Inoue was too good as he has a good chin as well.

Hopefully, Tapales is going to be different and he will fight to try and win.

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November 02, 2023, 02:43:08 PM
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If they continue to argue over even minor matters like this, it would become clear that they're just complicating things to make excuses, much like Inoue's previous opponent, Fulton.

I recall this situation. Fulton's camp had many requests before the fight, and Inoue's team managed to fulfill them. However, the result was as expected. Fulton didn't come to fight; he came to survive and attempt to earn points, thinking the judges would favor him since he was the defending champion. But Inoue's relentless attacks finally caught up with Fulton, leading to a knockout and the end of his undefeated record.
Yes, definitely Fulton camp is very confident coming in the fight, but for added insurance, they have to request a lot of things in their favor against Inoue and they all have been honored by the Japanese. However, it doesn't matter to Inoue as he believed more on his talent that have this kind of advantage. And from round 1, we have seen the Fulton  when he felt the power of Inoue was very different.

He doesn't want to fight but just to survived in every round and thinks that he can score in the judges scorecard. But as you have said, he didn't even put a dent on Inoue, maybe he had 1 or 2 good rounds and hit Inoue flush, but Inoue was too good as he has a good chin as well.

Hopefully, Tapales is going to be different and he will fight to try and win.

Comparing Tapales' record to Fulton's, I can see that Fulton has a pretty good record. But look at what Inoue did to him. So, it's hard to expect a big upset, but I appreciate Tapales' confidence in saying he'll be Inoue's nightmare.

I think Tapales needs to take some risks in this fight. He can't fight like Fulton; he needs to be more competitive and find ways to hurt Inoue. Otherwise, he might lose his confidence once Inoue starts controlling the fight.

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Comparing Tapales' record to Fulton's, I can see that Fulton has a pretty good record. But look at what Inoue did to him. So, it's hard to expect a big upset, but I appreciate Tapales' confidence in saying he'll be Inoue's nightmare.

I think Tapales needs to take some risks in this fight. He can't fight like Fulton; he needs to be more competitive and find ways to hurt Inoue. Otherwise, he might lose his confidence once Inoue starts controlling the fight.
That's correct. I think he says all those things to build his own confidence. Well, he needs it because the Monster is also preparing really well before this fight. He will definitely not underestimate anyone and I bet he will show it once the bell rings.
Marlon Tapales on the other hand needs to build his own strategy or else every belt will be taken from us. I understand that all hype is on Inoue and this must not go his head. He will always have the Filipino people on his back who will definitely support him until he takes all the belts home.
I am betting for Tapales without any regrets, I know as a gambler that it is a stupid choice but I am a Filipino and this is all the support I could give him. I will cheer for him sacrificing my voice and I really wish he could win this one. Perhaps after that more Filipinos will be looking at him because I ask my neighbors if they know him but none can answer back, it's either they are not boxing fans or they only see popular boxers. Well, this will be the time he will make a name in the boxing industry if he wins it. It's a lot of weight on his shoulder but he must persevere.

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November 03, 2023, 12:44:50 PM
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If they continue to argue over even minor matters like this, it would become clear that they're just complicating things to make excuses, much like Inoue's previous opponent, Fulton.

I recall this situation. Fulton's camp had many requests before the fight, and Inoue's team managed to fulfill them. However, the result was as expected. Fulton didn't come to fight; he came to survive and attempt to earn points, thinking the judges would favor him since he was the defending champion. But Inoue's relentless attacks finally caught up with Fulton, leading to a knockout and the end of his undefeated record.
Yes, definitely Fulton camp is very confident coming in the fight, but for added insurance, they have to request a lot of things in their favor against Inoue and they all have been honored by the Japanese. However, it doesn't matter to Inoue as he believed more on his talent that have this kind of advantage. And from round 1, we have seen the Fulton  when he felt the power of Inoue was very different.

He doesn't want to fight but just to survived in every round and thinks that he can score in the judges scorecard. But as you have said, he didn't even put a dent on Inoue, maybe he had 1 or 2 good rounds and hit Inoue flush, but Inoue was too good as he has a good chin as well.

Hopefully, Tapales is going to be different and he will fight to try and win.

Comparing Tapales' record to Fulton's, I can see that Fulton has a pretty good record. But look at what Inoue did to him. So, it's hard to expect a big upset, but I appreciate Tapales' confidence in saying he'll be Inoue's nightmare.
Yeah, you might be right with that comparison, but I don't think that boxers are going to be the same. They are only good as in their last fight. Fulton might come to fight, but he might have underestimate Inoue and think that he can beat with with his sheer size and technical skills.

I think Tapales needs to take some risks in this fight. He can't fight like Fulton; he needs to be more competitive and find ways to hurt Inoue. Otherwise, he might lose his confidence once Inoue starts controlling the fight.
Maybe, will depends on the strategy of his trainer. But definitely we wanted to see him take the risk just being the aggressive in the first half of the fight and see how Inoue will react. Just do everything to throw off Inoue so that he can't execute his game plan. And I wanted Tapales to go and try to win by a knockout because I don't think that he can win in the judges scorecard in Japan.

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November 03, 2023, 01:59:14 PM
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If they continue to argue over even minor matters like this, it would become clear that they're just complicating things to make excuses, much like Inoue's previous opponent, Fulton.

I recall this situation. Fulton's camp had many requests before the fight, and Inoue's team managed to fulfill them. However, the result was as expected. Fulton didn't come to fight; he came to survive and attempt to earn points, thinking the judges would favor him since he was the defending champion. But Inoue's relentless attacks finally caught up with Fulton, leading to a knockout and the end of his undefeated record.

Not sure if they've got that same situation as both Tapales and Inoue are champion in the same division unlike with the situation against
Fulton where the former champ really has that right to demand against the challenger.

Though if ever that Inoue's camp will allow this request and prove to the world that he can still dominate it will add up more hypes to his career.

Let see if what will happen if Inoue's camp follows or grant Tapales request.
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If they continue to argue over even minor matters like this, it would become clear that they're just complicating things to make excuses, much like Inoue's previous opponent, Fulton.

I recall this situation. Fulton's camp had many requests before the fight, and Inoue's team managed to fulfill them. However, the result was as expected. Fulton didn't come to fight; he came to survive and attempt to earn points, thinking the judges would favor him since he was the defending champion. But Inoue's relentless attacks finally caught up with Fulton, leading to a knockout and the end of his undefeated record.
Yes, definitely Fulton camp is very confident coming in the fight, but for added insurance, they have to request a lot of things in their favor against Inoue and they all have been honored by the Japanese. However, it doesn't matter to Inoue as he believed more on his talent that have this kind of advantage. And from round 1, we have seen the Fulton  when he felt the power of Inoue was very different.

He doesn't want to fight but just to survived in every round and thinks that he can score in the judges scorecard. But as you have said, he didn't even put a dent on Inoue, maybe he had 1 or 2 good rounds and hit Inoue flush, but Inoue was too good as he has a good chin as well.
He was the defending champion, and the fact that he traveled to Japan to fight the challenger showed his confidence. However, that confidence didn't translate to the actual fight. Inoue kept pressuring the champion, and Fulton probably felt Inoue's power, which disrupted his game plan. If Tapales ends up in a similar situation, we can predict the likely outcome of the fight, and it might be very one-sided.

Hopefully, Tapales is going to be different and he will fight to try and win.

Yes, we hope for that, but the chances are probably very low. I'm just trying to be realistic here. Inoue hasn't faced a fighter where he almost  loses to. Even in his toughest fight against Donaire, he still won by unanimous decision.

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Just today, Tapales together with his promoter and their entourage are flying back to the Philippines. They are expected to have their final camp in the high-altitude mountains of Baguio. Tapales is indeed overtraining. Hopefully, he only had limited hard work when he was in LA because he also had a lot of sparring sessions there against Ancajas, Magsayo, Moton, etc. There are still around 2 months before the fight, Inoue is also expected to have started his light training. It's really interesting to see if Tapales' sacrificing a long preparation is enough to hurdle the Japanese superstar.


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November 07, 2023, 10:46:58 AM
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Just today, Tapales together with his promoter and their entourage are flying back to the Philippines. They are expected to have their final camp in the high-altitude mountains of Baguio. Tapales is indeed overtraining. Hopefully, he only had limited hard work when he was in LA because he also had a lot of sparring sessions there against Ancajas, Magsayo, Moton, etc. There are still around 2 months before the fight, Inoue is also expected to have started his light training. It's really interesting to see if Tapales' sacrificing a long preparation is enough to hurdle the Japanese superstar.
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I thought he was already in Baguio City  Grin. I think he's been doing only light training in the Wild Card gym of Freddie Roach because at that time when he flew to the US, the schedule of the fight was not yet definite but now that everything is already carved in stone, he could start the rigid training for this historic fight.

I think Baguio is a good choice for training since Japan is also cold in December, so no more adjusting to the weather when he flies to Japan.
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^^ Yeah, it seems that this is indeed overtraining from his side, but it could be the hard trainer was in the US and perhaps training in Baguio, as it is a very high altitude, could be in preparation for this stamina and gas tanks as they could be anticipating a long and hard 12 full rounds against the Monster.

I think it's a positive development for him and his team as he sparred against some of the best Filipino that he can find that is willing to help him conquer Inoue. So let's see how it goes and hopefully all the sacrifice will be paying off for him. Still plenty of weeks for him to make a good strategy and planning on how to bet the Japanese.

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November 07, 2023, 11:53:41 AM
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Just today, Tapales together with his promoter and their entourage are flying back to the Philippines. They are expected to have their final camp in the high-altitude mountains of Baguio. Tapales is indeed overtraining. Hopefully, he only had limited hard work when he was in LA because he also had a lot of sparring sessions there against Ancajas, Magsayo, Moton, etc. There are still around 2 months before the fight, Inoue is also expected to have started his light training. It's really interesting to see if Tapales' sacrificing a long preparation is enough to hurdle the Japanese superstar.
~snip~

I thought he was already in Baguio City  Grin. I think he's been doing only light training in the Wild Card gym of Freddie Roach because at that time when he flew to the US, the schedule of the fight was not yet definite but now that everything is already carved in stone, he could start the rigid training for this historic fight.

I think Baguio is a good choice for training since Japan is also cold in December, so no more adjusting to the weather when he flies to Japan.

Better to adopt the weather and like what you said Baguio city is one of the best place for the training. I think him and his camp are really doing all
the best that they can to bring something for his fans.

Knowing that he will be fighting one of this generation's best fighter, he needs to come out with potential that he can compete, and he can try to win and beat the monster.

Though the winning chance remain the same, but with good preparation and determination to win, we never know what fate will bring Tapales.
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November 08, 2023, 09:11:24 PM
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Just today, Tapales together with his promoter and their entourage are flying back to the Philippines. They are expected to have their final camp in the high-altitude mountains of Baguio. Tapales is indeed overtraining. Hopefully, he only had limited hard work when he was in LA because he also had a lot of sparring sessions there against Ancajas, Magsayo, Moton, etc. There are still around 2 months before the fight, Inoue is also expected to have started his light training. It's really interesting to see if Tapales' sacrificing a long preparation is enough to hurdle the Japanese superstar.
~snip~

I thought he was already in Baguio City  Grin. I think he's been doing only light training in the Wild Card gym of Freddie Roach because at that time when he flew to the US, the schedule of the fight was not yet definite but now that everything is already carved in stone, he could start the rigid training for this historic fight.

I think Baguio is a good choice for training since Japan is also cold in December, so no more adjusting to the weather when he flies to Japan.

Better to adopt the weather and like what you said Baguio city is one of the best place for the training. I think him and his camp are really doing all
the best that they can to bring something for his fans.

Knowing that he will be fighting one of this generation's best fighter, he needs to come out with potential that he can compete, and he can try to win and beat the monster.

Though the winning chance remain the same, but with good preparation and determination to win, we never know what fate will bring Tapales.

Baguio seems to be a like comparable to Big Bear in the US, high altitude and boxers train there to improved this stamina and improved their breathing. Plus it's quiet and there are no distractions, but I doubt that Baguio City is like that.

But in any case that's what the team wanted to achieved here, improved the gas tank of Tapales as for sure he will need a lot of it facing the monster. And for sure the climate in Baguio is cold and so is in Japan this December. So it's more for Tapales taking advantage of the weather and altitude of Baguio they could train intense there so that when they go out and fight, he will be acclimate in Japan's weather.

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November 08, 2023, 09:31:16 PM
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Just today, Tapales together with his promoter and their entourage are flying back to the Philippines. They are expected to have their final camp in the high-altitude mountains of Baguio. Tapales is indeed overtraining. Hopefully, he only had limited hard work when he was in LA because he also had a lot of sparring sessions there against Ancajas, Magsayo, Moton, etc. There are still around 2 months before the fight, Inoue is also expected to have started his light training. It's really interesting to see if Tapales' sacrificing a long preparation is enough to hurdle the Japanese superstar.


We are just only 1 month and 2 weeks away for this upcoming or anticipated fight. Wondering on why they did really travel back into their country for some training. Arent they able to do such training on LA?
Well, its their choice and in speaking about over training then just let them be on which they are fully aware no what are the things that needs to be avoided considering that the fight is going near.
It is really that good that they do make out some good preparations for the upcoming fight yet Tapales team is really that fully aware on whats stake on here and whats the big achievement and result
on the time that he would be able to beat up Inoue.

The fight is near and preparations should be made.Both sides are really that preparing specially on Inoue's side too. Im already excited for this upcoming fight.
Neither we would be seeing some upset or something that would really be still that normal considering that Inoue might be still ended up on being unbeatable.

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