[SOLVED] Betnomi | Project status & Refund Plan!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

What is stopping you to send the email to the users existed with the version of database you have right now? Just a simple email blast, follow a few more to ensure everyone read the email. I will be checking my email.

Because for some reason, they can't decrypt it... apparently.

We can't send mass emails because they are encrypted, and no, before you ask, it is a one-way encryption.

Correct me where I am wrong.

The front end stored the data [email and password], when it was sending insertion query to the database it encrypted the data. Anyone with direct access of the database can not read the data. It make sense.

When the front end is retrieving the data [email and password], it's reading the encrypted data and decrypting to perform different functions [checking user when sending login request, password reset, user information and many other things].

Betnomi have the same casino script [functional front end], and the database. Where is the problem?

[betnomi]

@Mahdirakib, you don't remind me of a spammer, but based on the nature of our discussion, I find some of your answers not very logical, and filled with vanity. I hope you understand that this is an Internet forum, and coherence in thoughts is also important here.

First, please point out in our original statement where we stated that "the partnership was terminated, and I run it alone in a profitable way." Of course, it doesn't exist. Even so, explain the train of thought or the logic you followed to arrive at that conclusion.

Second, it was clearly stated that, there were backroom deals made with some employees and the other owners (partners). Employees meaning not one person but specifically includes the other developer who had production database access. Again, another made up and nonsensical statement.

Third, you somehow insist definitively that the database was sold "(actually sold)". In our original statement, it was clearly stated that it was compromised or potentially sold. But no, that doesn't support the narrative you want to promote, so you just make it up out of thin air.

I did not have access nor do I know the whereabouts of the database, but I know a third party, someone, got access to it. For this, I concluded that it was either compromised or sold, just like any reasonable person would.

We will delete anything we consider as spam or abuse in our Telegram group, and about trust settings, I am absolutely sure that this is a personal forum setting that everyone can use at their own discretion. This setting does not affect you or anyone except me and the feedback I see.

We will no longer waste time answering made-up facts. We will act and implement what we have announced in several previous posts.

[holydarkness]

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We will no longer waste time answering made-up facts. We will act and implement what we have announced in several previous posts.

Umm... you do aware that though the post being quoted by BitcoinGirl.Club was mine, that was fully intended to be answered by you? I can give my guess, but I'm afraid that'll be considered as a made-up facts. So, the podium is yours.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

[...]
We will no longer waste time answering made-up facts. We will act and implement what we have announced in several previous posts.

Umm... you do aware that though the post being quoted by BitcoinGirl.Club was mine, that was fully intended to be answered by you? I can give my guess, but I'm afraid that'll be considered as a made-up facts. So, the podium is yours.

I was expecting an answer for them to be honest.

The front end stored the data [email and password], when it was sending insertion query to the database it encrypted the data. Anyone with direct access of the database can not read the data. It make sense.

When the front end is retrieving the data [email and password], it's reading the encrypted data and decrypting to perform different functions [checking user when sending login request, password reset, user information and many other things].

Betnomi have the same casino script [functional front end], and the database. Where is the problem?

Let's make it simpler.
Encryption is two way because you always need the original data to perform the functions you have associated with it.

In a web form password can be encrypted or hashed. Hash is one way. If I am not wrong [from my outdated knowledge], hash contains your password, a component called salt or sult and a key. When a database is compromised the salt or sult is compromised but the 128 [I suppose] bits key is not. Without the key you will never know the original password. Because of that developers prefers to store the hash instead of the password you given.

But for email and any other data, it is always encrypted [if it needs more security] and encryption are two way.

Considering the emails were encrypted, certainly it can be decrypted. I believe the team is still trying to mislead everyone or the person behind the account do not have such knowledge.

By the way, I do not have latest knowledge about the tech but anyone who is trustworthy and have programing knowledge, can confirm if I have mistaken anything to explain hash.

[holydarkness]

[...]
Let's make it simpler.
Encryption is two way because you always need the original data to perform the functions you have associated with it.

In a web form password can be encrypted or hashed. Hash is one way. If I am not wrong [from my outdated knowledge], hash contains your password, a component called salt or sult and a key. When a database is compromised the salt or sult is compromised but the 128 [I suppose] bits key is not. Without the key you will never know the original password. Because of that developers prefers to store the hash instead of the password you given.

But for email and any other data, it is always encrypted [if it needs more security] and encryption are two way.

Considering the emails were encrypted, certainly it can be decrypted. I believe the team is still trying to mislead everyone or the person behind the account do not have such knowledge.

By the way, I do not have latest knowledge about the tech but anyone who is trustworthy and have programing knowledge, can confirm if I have mistaken anything to explain hash.

Ahh, well... if I may pull a guess from a hat, they'll probably go with how they're basically stripped to bare minimum staffs, where they don't have access to any system or services. Thus, they don't have the way to extract a decrypted data containing the emails. I guess, in layman terms, the way they propose to verify an email address is by manually typing thebunnyrabbitofeastersucks@anemail.com into whatever they have right now, and that bare-minimum system will tell them if that email address is indeed was in the cluster or not.

[betnomi]

We've received several refund and withdrawal requests, and our team is diligently verifying the information. These requests will be processed and distributed in batches. The first batch should be completed within the next few days.

Thank you for your patience

[Agbe]

We've received several refund and withdrawal requests, and our team is diligently verifying the information. These requests will be processed and distributed in batches. The first batch should be completed within the next few days.

Thank you for your patience

We also thank you for taking the bold step to face the challenges and cleaning yourselves from the messed you put yourselves. At this juncture I appreciate your effort for the refunds. We have seen many casino companies created threads like this and at the end they could pay back or refund the embezzled funds back the victims but yours and BC. Game is different. It will be good if those who were the victim of the act and created threads for that purpose should come back and inform the community about the new development. And for now to clear your or to retain your reputation here is hard though you can scale through, I am saying this because you are heavily tag and probably most of them are inactive. The first face of this thread is to clear your debt and the second face will the to reclaim your reputation if you can.

[Betwrong]

This is very good news for me personally. Thank you, @betnomi for showing up here and trying to make things right.

I have a few questions regarding this form

Code:

1. First name, Last name (if you are KYC verified)
2. Username (request will be ignored if the username does not exist)
3. Email address (request will be ignored if the email does not match)
4. Refund Amount (approximate balance is acceptable)
5. Wallet address (we will process only in the cryptocurrency you have)

1. If I don't remember whether I'm KYC verified on Betnomi, what should I do?

And regarding paragraph 5: If I have funds in 3 different cryptocurrencies, BTC, ETH and USDT, how should my request look like?

Thank you.

[betnomi]

@Betwrong, whether you are KYC verified or not is irrelevant. It simply facilitates the process, but feel free to leave it blank if you are not verified. Regarding paragraph 5, please outline the currencies you possess and include their respective addresses in the email.

[holydarkness]

@Betwrong, whether you are KYC verified or not is irrelevant. It simply facilitates the process, but feel free to leave it blank if you are not verified. Regarding paragraph 5, please outline the currencies you possess and include their respective addresses in the email.

Umm... will you address the issue for decrypting email addresses or shall we pretend it's never asked?

[Get-Paid.com]

No response via email.

[betnomi]

Every question has been covered in the preceding statements.
We trust that you'll discover the answers you seek by reviewing the earlier statements and posts.

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63229438#msg63229438
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63174370#msg63174370
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63197448#msg63197448
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63203122#msg63203122
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63213856#msg63213856
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63214704#msg63214704

[Get-Paid.com]

Every question has been covered in the preceding statements.
We trust that you'll discover the answers you seek by reviewing the earlier statements and posts.

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63229438#msg63229438
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63174370#msg63174370
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63197448#msg63197448
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63203122#msg63203122
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63213856#msg63213856
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63214704#msg63214704

It's not about that, you're not responding to emails.

[holydarkness]

Every question has been covered in the preceding statements.
We trust that you'll discover the answers you seek by reviewing the earlier statements and posts.

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63229438#msg63229438
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63174370#msg63174370
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63197448#msg63197448
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63203122#msg63203122
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63213856#msg63213856
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63214704#msg63214704

Ahh... forgive me, I think I've failed you and your trust, I can't find the answer I'm looking for by reviewing those statements, so perhaps you can help me by directly telling me why can't you decrypt your email database? Or did I guess the situation correctly?

[notblox1]

It's not about that, you're not responding to emails.

I dont think he controls that email address anymore.
Address I used for registering on betnomi was receive huge number of spam email with some other casino, and I never used that address for anything else.
I heard other people reported the same thing, and maybe that is the reason why they didnt decide to send refund email to all customers with balance, because they cant do it  

[nutters]

Did anyone recevie any reply on mail or money refund already?
They claimed that batch of refunds should be pushed within last days but I didn't get any reply on mail nor any transfer.

[Betwrong]

@Betwrong, whether you are KYC verified or not is irrelevant. It simply facilitates the process, but feel free to leave it blank if you are not verified. Regarding paragraph 5, please outline the currencies you possess and include their respective addresses in the email.

Done.

Thank you very much, @betnomi, for the quick reply!

I don't know how long it will take, but I'm already grateful that you've decided to take actions. I will be following this thread in hopes to read the news about the first people refunded, and, of course, I will reply here immediately when I will be refunded myself.

Again, Thank you for the intention to manage this issue professionally.

[Wiwo]

We've received several refund and withdrawal requests, and our team is diligently verifying the information. These requests will be processed and distributed in batches. The first batch should be completed within the next few days.

Thank you for your patience

We also thank you for taking the bold step to face the challenges and cleaning yourselves from the messed you put yourselves. At this juncture I appreciate your effort for the refunds. We have seen many casino companies created threads like this and at the end they could pay back or refund the embezzled funds back the victims but yours and BC. Game is different. It will be good if those who were the victim of the act and created threads for that purpose should come back and inform the community about the new development. And for now to clear your or to retain your reputation here is hard though you can scale through, I am saying this because you are heavily tag and probably most of them are inactive. The first face of this thread is to clear your debt and the second face will the to reclaim your reputation if you can.

Yes indeed, the betnomi team have taken some good steps that will earn further trust if they relaunch under another domain name at whatever time in the future,  because for a company to come out and make such a step to refund their clients after a wallet attack is mostly hard to come by unless in a situation where the coins are safe on the hot wallet.

But at this stage, the Betnomi team have taken a great move to rectify and refund all verified account holders with balance and have stated that the first batch of refund will come in a few days from now, this is a good move from the admin of this casino betnomi who was sometimes popular here in the forum.

[internetional]

Betnomi's proactive approach to refunding users affected by a wallet attack reflects a commendable commitment to accountability. Transparency and consistent updates are vital elements in the process of rebuilding trust within the community.

[piebeyb]

But at this stage, the Betnomi team have taken a great move to rectify and refund all verified account holders with balance and have stated that the first batch of refund will come in a few days from now, this is a good move from the admin of this casino betnomi who was sometimes popular here in the forum.

Yes, it is Betnomi's obligation to resolve the mess that has occurred and they at least have good intentions to return all user funds because not many casinos dare to do that, if this is indeed done by Betnomi and they succeed in returning everything, it is certain that Betnomi will be released slowly from all the negative accusations that might attack them during their disappearance.

But that doesn't guarantee that their reputation can be built again after seeing this mess get busy before, but I also want to see how Betnomi processes all refunds for all their users on this forum, I'm also still waiting for community confirmation about refunds which they may have already received. see other developments in this thread.