[SOLVED] Betnomi | Project status & Refund Plan!

[AbuBhakar]

So what happened exactly? Some employees fired the owners? That would be first time I hear anything like that.

And said employee is now going to pay back the money the owner took?

Lol, yes.

The employees' conscience did not allow them to sleep anymore, knowing that former owners scammed people, thus they decided to pay the debts from their own pockets. And also to arrange somehow to take the company away from owners' hands.

Probably they are the one in-charge with the operation while their so called owners are those financing their operation. Probably they are looking for investors to fund the brand or they are using their own money to reimburse.

But we all know that there's no real hero in the crypto without a catch for their good action. Probably they have something hidden agenda here that's why they want to come clean.

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[Ludmilla_rose1995]

It's a good step that management has taken to return user funds who have entered the betnomi site, however betnomi has become one of the gambling sites of choice for gambling players here because it is not so strict about KYC rules, I hope that in the future betnomi management can be even better in running the business they built, it is not easy to build the reputation of a gambling site, it takes years but the damage only takes less than 1 hour. Good luck with betnomi management and new plans you guys.

[betnomi]

I'd like to address some of the questions that have been raised.

First, why did it take so long to make an announcement?

There were a few reasons for this. First, the situation unfolded very quickly and it was unclear what was going on and who was involved. We needed to understand the scale and scope of the issue before making any public statements.

Second, the issue has become a legal one, and it is important to not comment on such matters without understanding the potential legal exposure.

Third, there was no practical way to effectively communicate the message to users since we do not have database access. While we could have posted a message on the forum or social media, we didn't have all the facts, and any information we put out would have a high likelihood of being misleading or incorrect.

Who is going to refund the users?

I will be personally covering the refunds from my own funds. We are exploring other options at this point, but every single user will be completely refunded in full. We would not have made an announcement about the refund unless we were positive we could get it done. Fortunately, the total balance of users on the platform is relatively small, so this is entirely doable.

Some people have speculated that employees fired the owners?

This is not the case. There were more than one owner of Betnomi (partners). We will not be releasing the names or any other information related to the partners at this point because it is unnecessary and there are potential legal consequences for doing so.

Finally, I would like to address one critical assertion. The claim that Betnomi is a scam is absurd. We spent millions of dollars and years of hard work to build the entire platform and infrastructure to support it. This is not a simple white-label operation. The sum of all users' balances left on the platform is less than our monthly expenses as a company.

Everyone with a significant balance, that is, an amount greater than $5,000 USD, has already made a complaint in the forum, and there are only about four or five of those. This is because we processed all pending withdrawals before taking the site into maintenance mode.

It is easy to make claims without knowing the facts, much less analyzing them. I simply ask that you do the math next time you have the urge to say "scam."

Not to mention, i am not operating anonymously from some hidden bunker on Mars. I have a public profile, which is an unusual choice for a casino operator, but I believe in transparency and chose to go this route.

Regards
Sorsis

[dimonstration]

Some people have speculated that employees fired the owners?

This is not the case. There were more than one owner of Betnomi (partners). We will not be releasing the names or any other information related to the partners at this point because it is unnecessary and there are potential legal consequences for doing so.

Finally, I would like to address one critical assertion. The claim that Betnomi is a scam is absurd. We spent millions of dollars and years of hard work to build the entire platform and infrastructure to support it. This is not a simple white-label operation. The sum of all users' balances left on the platform is less than our monthly expenses as a company.

Everyone with a significant balance, that is, an amount greater than $5,000 USD, has already made a complaint in the forum, and there are only about four or five of those. This is because we processed all pending withdrawals before taking the site into maintenance mode.

It is easy to make claims without knowing the facts, much less analyzing them. I simply ask that you do the math next time you have the urge to say "scam."

Not to mention, i am not operating anonymously from some hidden bunker on Mars. I have a public profile, which is an unusual choice for a casino operator, but I believe in transparency and chose to go this route.

Regards
Sorsis

You can't blame them for tagging you as scammer because you left your customer high and dry without any official for so many months while doing this kind of announcement will just only take few minutes or hour of your time to construct a reassuring announcement that you are not gonna run away. I knew that you spend a lot to build your reputation here since forum is the witness on all of your promotion launch here. The problem is the trust broken when you become silent while all this chaos happening in the background.

It's nice that you comeback again to clean the doubts. Hoping that you will find a way to continue your business venture here!

[Mr. Magkaisa]

      -  Maybe I can just say that it's good news when funds are returned to their users, not because I doubt it but because I'm a seeing-is-believing type of person. I will applaud Op when what he announced happens.

It's like I can't believe that one of those who built a good community in the crypto business and then, just because of a mistake, suddenly broke down due to an issue that didn't go well with their users on the platform.

[Wind_FURY]

What if all users have been refunded and you build back good reputation, are you coming back or no Betnomi again?

We'd be looking forward to seeing when you will refund all customers back their money.

They clearly said that, they have made a great platform and software which is worth millions of dollars, but as Betnomi’s image is not good at all, so they will make a comeback but with different branding.

My question to OP is that, will you associate the new brand with Betnomi? Or it will be completely a new independent company operating in an individual level. Yes, don’t forget to refund the money of the gamblers, that is lost due to the company’s failure.

I believe it would have been better for OP to quietly pay all of their users, then simply become a silent partner with another casino, or become a mere investor. It would be easier, simpler, and there wouldn't be any day-to-day stress to work with. They would also not be exposing themselves.

The community should also probably more cynical if OP is truly the same person who controlled that Betnomi account before the casino admins left.

[Solosanz]

You can't blame them for tagging you as scammer because you left your customer high and dry without any official for so many months while doing this kind of announcement will just only take few minutes or hour of your time to construct a reassuring announcement that you are not gonna run away. I knew that you spend a lot to build your reputation here since forum is the witness on all of your promotion launch here. The problem is the trust broken when you become silent while all this chaos happening in the background.

It's nice that you comeback again to clean the doubts. Hoping that you will find a way to continue your business venture here!

If he doesn't like people to call Betnomi is scam, he only need to refund all the money and then waiting for the victims to confirm whether they already received or not. With that, he can shut every people mouths, although he can't have any way to force DT members to delete/change their negative feedback and other people opinions who will keep mentioning this case.

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First, why did it take so long to make an announcement?

There were a few reasons for this. First, the situation unfolded very quickly and it was unclear what was going on and who was involved. We needed to understand the scale and scope of the issue before making any public statements.

It's interesting that in all that crowd, you didn't find time to announce your current status, but you had time to edit your trust list and distrust all the users who gave you a negative rating. btw. This was done from the same account from which you are communicating now.
I'm very interested in what you want to achieve by doing so.

Finally, I would like to address one critical assertion. The claim that Betnomi is a scam is absurd. We spent millions of dollars and years of hard work to build the entire platform and infrastructure to support it. This is not a simple white-label operation. The sum of all users' balances left on the platform is less than our monthly expenses as a company.

Everyone with a significant balance, that is, an amount greater than $5,000 USD, has already made a complaint in the forum, and there are only about four or five of those. This is because we processed all pending withdrawals before taking the site into maintenance mode.

It is easy to make claims without knowing the facts, much less analyzing them. I simply ask that you do the math next time you have the urge to say "scam."

You disappeared from the forum without any explanation, and at the same time, a certain number of unsolved cases remained. That pretty much implies a scam. As long as you owe someone even $10, it is considered a scam attempt. $10 or $5000, there is not much difference in intention if you keep someone's money.

Second, the issue has become a legal one, and it is important to not comment on such matters without understanding the potential legal exposure.

If you want us to believe your story, and it would be useful for the community as well, you should present at least some of the facts. For example, Betnomi has nothing to do with the "Newnomi" casino, it is a part of the partner that left us You can do it so that it does not incriminate the current process if there is one.

[Mahdirakib]

This is not the case. There were more than one owner of Betnomi (partners). We will not be releasing the names or any other information related to the partners at this point because it is unnecessary and there are potential legal consequences for doing so.
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Regards
Sorsis

As expected, Sorsis Chatwin will come with the innocent owner role. Because, Sorsis personal information is visible publicly, isn't it? The forum only knew 'Sorsis' as the admin/owner of Betnomi. Now you are blaming unknown person by addressing them as a shady owner of Betnomi. Users data has been compromised from your database. Perhaps, whoever completed the KYC verification on your platform is at risk too.

However, I want the victims to get the refund.

[ryzaadit]

The claim that Betnomi is a scam is absurd. We spent millions of dollars and years of hard work to build the entire platform and infrastructure to support it. This is not a simple white-label operation. The sum of all users' balances left on the platform is less than our monthly expenses as a company.

It's quite funny actually

You're just misleading everyone with your first response about the situation you're facing by telling a lie (there has been some update on your website) meanwhile you have an internal-problem with your team.
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The tag you are getting is from your own action, it's people's money on your platform. Without give any explanation, you remove a question anything about the question we're asking about the progress on your (Telegram). You also blocked/kicked everyone who are questioned about the case, maenwhile it's user money.

[Poika5]

This is not the case. There were more than one owner of Betnomi (partners). We will not be releasing the names or any other information related to the partners at this point because it is unnecessary and there are potential legal consequences for doing so.

The guy on the left is Marin Zvonarević. His job title was 'Partner at Betnomi'.
It would be interesting to hear his side of the story.

[ryzaadit]

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Casino partnering with some one is not really new at all.

However, based on the legal action. Usually, on the agreement there has a mark-up fee in case some partners is left or make some problem for the partner business. But these need to be waited until the lawsuit/court date.
Plus, in law is not good to share the story in public. I believe he are gonna to say, have a problem internally and left (Betnomi) or something like that. You can't share any information with the public, because there always have some non-disclosure agreement.

[decodx]

It is easy to make claims without knowing the facts, much less analyzing them. I simply ask that you do the math next time you have the urge to say "scam."

The math here is pretty straightforward, and I bet plenty of folks would say the same. If you take something that doesn't belong to you, it's stealing.  It doesn't matter if it seems like no big deal to you or its just a small amount.  And stealing or deception to gain something unlawfully is a telltale sign of a scam.  Even if we're just talking about 100 bucks! 

As for not knowing the facts, whose fault is that?

Not to mention, i am not operating anonymously from some hidden bunker on Mars. I have a public profile, which is an unusual choice for a casino operator, but I believe in transparency and chose to go this route.

Regards
Sorsis

Oh, what a surprise! The whole thing kind of smelled like your handiwork.

vulpes pilum mutat, non mores

[3kpk3]

I didn't see this coming op. Very few have the guts to speak out like this after messing up so many lives thanks to their actions(Intentional or Unintentional). As the saying goes, it takes eons to build reputation, but seconds for it to crumble.

Even if you and your team somehow miraculously refund all amounts properly, your site will never stand tall again.

[Poika5]

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Casino partnering with some one is not really new at all.

However, based on the legal action. Usually, on the agreement there has a mark-up fee in case some partners is left or make some problem for the partner business. But these need to be waited until the lawsuit/court date.
Plus, in law is not good to share the story in public. I believe he are gonna to say, have a problem internally and left (Betnomi) or something like that. You can't share any information with the public, because there always have some non-disclosure agreement.

But are these court cases even real? The only thing I know for sure is that OP is a pathological liar.

[acroman08]

Finally, I would like to address one critical assertion. The claim that Betnomi is a scam is absurd. We spent millions of dollars and years of hard work to build the entire platform and infrastructure to support it. This is not a simple white-label operation. The sum of all users' balances left on the platform is less than our monthly expenses as a company.

no offense but the claims that were made have valid points. the fact that you guys suddenly disappeared along with the gambler's funds indicates that it was an exit scam. you can't blame the people who think that Betnomi is a scam since you failed to give an explanation of what's happening

Therefore, we have decided to permanently cease operations and stop using the Betnomi brand in our best interests.

What if all users have been refunded and you build back good reputation, are you coming back or no Betnomi again?

they did say that they plan to leverage their expertise to rebuild a stronger brand in the future. so I guess they will be coming back, but not as "Betnomi".

[GxSTxV]

Not to mention, i am not operating anonymously from some hidden bunker on Mars. I have a public profile, which is an unusual choice for a casino operator, but I believe in transparency and chose to go this route.

I feel like this is the only reason that made you come back here and post all this, many of users here may share the same thing I have said. Beside, knowing that all what you have said about you company and what made you disappear is not yet confirmed.
Moreover, the rest of your team didn’t appear again and state anything about refund or even ask for an apology and explain what happened in details. But, the way all this happened from disappearing and taking long to even state something to users and players that left stressed about their funds.
It’s hard to believe any of what you said.

[Orpichukwu]

It is not easy to build a trusted brand as it takes a lot of time and hardwork. Betnomi has lost that trust that they had built within the forum and outside due their internal issues. I do not think coming up with a new brand name would be help them. They would be able to regain some level of trust back when they resolve all issues regarding the repayment. Until then it is better to wait and watch if they can keep their promise.

This is exactly what I was thinking, but then again, since they have already lost their server and no one knows the level of data they can generate, and if the casino name has already not been sold out to another company, as I came across in the OP, if they can repay back all the pending withdrawals and winnings to the victims and those affected come out and drop their case against them.
 
There will be nothing wrong for them to come out with a new name and brand in order not to be attached to or followed by any future cases since they already have their own developed games. Starting that up won't be an issue, and what will follow after that is just to come to the community and announce that this is them in a different form and new name, and everything will be resolved and people will know who they are dealing with.

[notblox1]

So, to summarize: You took players' money, went quiet for 4 months, blame someone else say you're going to pay back the money you took.

We dont even know who this personas really are.
Is it Sorsis who wrote last post, and who is the guy who stole database from himself and sold it to third party?
I think there was more thanone betnomi accounts registered in forum.

Regards
Sorsis

Based on everything you wrote we cant really be sure if you are Sorsis or someone else, so you should sign a message with bitcoin address to prove you are the same guy.

[bitbollo]

Personal curiosity, there are/was more than one person who interacted from this account here on bitcointalk? (probably one of the partners?)

beyond this, once agreed, I would like to suggest to clarify repayment plan in which the dates of reimbursements will take place are clearly communicated to all users affected about this loss.