[SOLVED] Betnomi | Project status & Refund Plan!

[Cantsay]

My personal theory is they wanted to have some months in advantage so they could launch their new casino and see if there was any possibility to accumulate enough profit to further whitewash their imagine with more refunds, either that or they just wanted more time for them to boost their new casino without having any real intentions to pay those affected.

In any way, the gambling community did not deserve this...

This would have worked if the community were a bit less concerned about the issue but I guess it took them by surprise the way users came to the thread and started to unveil their plan. They even paid some of those user with little balance in their account so they could at least have some to back them up and confirm that they received their money back but banned those with large amount in their account.

Well, since there have been no response from them for a long time now and no news of any new refund I’m guessing that they have finally decided to give up on their little scheme.

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In any way, the gambling community did not deserve this...

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Well, since there have been no response from them for a long time now and no news of any new refund I’m guessing that they have finally decided to give up on their little scheme.

They very likely gave up on their alledged plan to give more of the money back to their gamblers, Thurs why they decided to mark this thread as solved and called it a day. If they had intentions to continue to pay those who lost more money, they would have not done such a thing and close the issue as Solved. It is quite obvious and easy to see through their true intentions, if one pays attention to the signals and cues they gave.

I kinda started to suspect something was wrong when did not decide to be transparent enough and publish some public document on the number of accounts they were going to give money back and also with the amount attracted to it. It was kind of simple to do in a spread sheet, but they chose not to do so, since it would have likely give an idea on how much it was stolen and how much they were supposed to refund to the victims of this event. When there is lack of transparency, one cannot wait for anything good, regardless there is a casino involved or not.

[Betwrong]

Well, I've read your post and the more I think of it, the more complicated it seems. I mean, let's take a look at your list of refunded/non-refunded people. Among the 2 refunded ones are myself and @AHOYBRAUSE. I know myself, obviously, and I know AHOYBRAUSE. He joined this forum on February 02, 2022, and has managed to collect 661 merits since then. Pretty impressive, huh? In the list of non-refunded users, on the other hand, there are only newbies I've heard nothing about until this day.

Does it really matter whether the complaints are from newbie user or higher ranked user of Bitcointalk forum? How many high rollers have an account on Bitcointalk? There are thousands of people wagering millions of dollars in different crypto casino regularly. Are they required a higher ranked account to make their complaints reliable here in the forum (if they ever create any accusation)? Evidences are the most important thing here. Sorsis hasn't refunded the funds of those users who had big amount.

Evidences, right. By the way, do you have any solid evidence that someone wasn't refunded? Have those people, higher ranked  or not, provided evidences of them depositing their money on the site or just having it there? If yes, show them to me and I will change my mind if they are convincing.

So, what would you think about this Betnomi situation being in my place?

Betnomi is still a scam. I wouldn't defend them if I were in your place. Because everything they did was scammish. They have only refunded $400 to you, and a small amount to AHOYBRAUSE. The confirmed refund amount is quite small.

Are you sure about this? Maybe read at least Trusted feedback on Betnomi on this forum. They've got positive trust from such known and respected people of this forum as: GazetaBitcoin, TopTort777, cygan, willi9974, bitbollo, aoluain, famososMuertos, icopress, jayce. And those respected members who have given them negative trust just don't know that the issue has actually been solved.

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I think I must tell my personal story of relations with Betnomi here. Back in 2021 they sponsored Bitcointalk Poker Series which I won



and together with some other my winnings it was more than $700



which I withdrew from the site without any problems. Then I'd been playing on their new site for some time, and at the time they had disappeared I had around $350 in BTC and ETH on their platform. It took some time and I admit it was worrisome for me after months had passed, but I believed in them(see my posts in this thread) and they have refunded me everything(more than $400 in BTC and ETH because the currencies had risen in value at the time).

Now, that's what I think you should do for those who were kind to you (more than once) when mountains of unfounded accusations arise against them: you should defend them. That's what I think.

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In any way, the gambling community did not deserve this...

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Well, since there have been no response from them for a long time now and no news of any new refund I’m guessing that they have finally decided to give up on their little scheme.

They very likely gave up on their alledged plan to give more of the money back to their gamblers, Thurs why they decided to mark this thread as solved and called it a day. If they had intentions to continue to pay those who lost more money, they would have not done such a thing and close the issue as Solved. It is quite obvious and easy to see through their true intentions, if one pays attention to the signals and cues they gave.

I kinda started to suspect something was wrong when did not decide to be transparent enough and publish some public document on the number of accounts they were going to give money back and also with the amount attracted to it. It was kind of simple to do in a spread sheet, but they chose not to do so, since it would have likely give an idea on how much it was stolen and how much they were supposed to refund to the victims of this event. When there is lack of transparency, one cannot wait for anything good, regardless there is a casino involved or not.

Well, if you ask me, I would say that I think they did not change their mind on anything, they never really had any intention of paying back the money they stole, what they did was try to use the same strategy that 1xbit used to try  to gain sympathy from the community, and also gain trust from the community, that is, make us believe that what they did wasnt really their intention, and most importantly, confuse newbies visiting the forum for the first into believing that they can be trusted, specially when the newbie comes to this thread and see the solved status, many of them won't bother reading comments here but will just move on to conclusion that what ever issue that this was has already been solved.

And concerning them not being transparent from the onset, that I agree with you completely, this is also a good reason for us all to believe that this guys never had any intention of paying their users whose money they stole, if they had any intention of refunding the money they stole, they possibly would have, (at the initial stage) be transparent with all their dealings in regards to their plan to refund their users back their money.

[Mahdirakib]

Evidences, right. By the way, do you have any solid evidence that someone wasn't refunded? Have those people, higher ranked  or not, provided evidences of them depositing their money on the site or just having it there? If yes, show them to me and I will change my mind if they are convincing.

OP admitted himself that they haven't refunded all the victims. Check the scam accusation of Stayzor, he has provided the evidence of his deposits. I'm not here to convince you. The truth is in front of everyone, but you have kept your one eye close as you got the refund. We are not talking about the past of Betnomi. They had spent a good amount of money here in the forum to obtain the reputation. You have to see what they did before the start of the downtime (unusual things had started at least one month before the downtime) and after that (until now).

And those respected members who have given them negative trust just don't know that the issue has actually been solved.

They know that the issue hasn't been resolved. That's why the negative feedbacks are still on OP's profile.

Now, that's what I think you should do for those who were kind to you (more than once) when mountains of unfounded accusations arise against them: you should defend them. That's what I think.

'Mountains of unfounded accusations' Open your two eyes man! You are only looking into the money what they have paid to you instead of looking all around with your two eyes.

That was when BaseBet recently "surfaced", which basically betnomi with a different name. They used all of betnomi's template, only changing the name. That statement I made that they claimed to be under GC [365/JAZ] was because of it, that they copied betnomi's template, with the seal of validation obviously missing since it'll show as invalid [different website above every other possible reason]

I got your point, but it looks like Sorsis is silently watching our discussions. He has added the master license clause again on Basebet, he has also added the license validator link of Gaming-curacao (available on desktop mode only).