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November 20, 2023, 02:08:10 PM
 #101

The only way for Betnomi's admins to prove their trustworthiness and save their reputation is to pay ALL their users back ALL their money first, BUT it's also not a guarantee that they'll be trusted by the entire community again. Because if I had my money locked for months in a centralized service and the money was given back to me, I would never use any service owned or operated by those people again. One period of mental/emotional stress with them is enough.

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For the sake that have been in trouble with their funds as they have became trusted by these users. They will just have to accept whatever is going to be the feedback of these people, whether they will say that they will still be trusted then that is good on their part.

But if these people after receiving their moneyback starts to say that they are not recommended and will never be back and gamble there again. They just have to accept any words from them and there is nothing they can do but to be in good faith and just return all of the pendings, either big or small amounts. As they have said, anyone who is eligible for that shall do.
I think what is most important at this point is not wether the betnomi team gain the trust of the community of not because their have already been down and at some point they announce that they are going to have domain name changes, which means the Betnomi we used to know is now scam and should remain like that.

But if the same team can make refunds as promised,  it then becomes another challenge for them to win the trust of the community and how they can do that,  is through adequate improvement and commitment to the promises.
I am just coming across this thread actually and personally, I see or sense sincerity in the op, Betnomi before now was a very trusted casino, one that is one of the most reputable actually, I personally at the time believed something did happen or went wrong internally which resulted to their issues with withdrawals and so on.

And reading the detailed explanation from the op did confirmed my assumptions to be true, and if I am asked, I would say they Betnomi will surely gain its good reputation back, if like you said, they can keep to their word by paying back everyone who was financially affected by their issues.

But based on what op said, they probably may not have plans of continuing with the Betnomi brand, he said they are going to use their experience to build a better and stronger casino, let's keep our fingers crossed.

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November 20, 2023, 02:52:15 PM
 #102

The only way for Betnomi's admins to prove their trustworthiness and save their reputation is to pay ALL their users back ALL their money first, BUT it's also not a guarantee that they'll be trusted by the entire community again. Because if I had my money locked for months in a centralized service and the money was given back to me, I would never use any service owned or operated by those people again. One period of mental/emotional stress with them is enough.

Cool
For the sake that have been in trouble with their funds as they have became trusted by these users. They will just have to accept whatever is going to be the feedback of these people, whether they will say that they will still be trusted then that is good on their part.

But if these people after receiving their moneyback starts to say that they are not recommended and will never be back and gamble there again. They just have to accept any words from them and there is nothing they can do but to be in good faith and just return all of the pendings, either big or small amounts. As they have said, anyone who is eligible for that shall do.
I think what is most important at this point is not wether the betnomi team gain the trust of the community of not because their have already been down and at some point they announce that they are going to have domain name changes, which means the Betnomi we used to know is now scam and should remain like that.

But if the same team can make refunds as promised,  it then becomes another challenge for them to win the trust of the community and how they can do that,  is through adequate improvement and commitment to the promises.

You have a fair point here. In fact, a lot of reputable experienced this kind of setback before but manage to regain their reputation. Betcoin.ag is the best example here because they once didn’t honor a jackpot prize win by one of their customers. They stick to their decision for a long time and remain with negative trust until they come clean with the new management.

There’s always room for improvement here in the forum when all the previous problem was solved. They can always build their reputation slowly just like what they did when they are just new here.

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November 21, 2023, 01:38:25 AM
 #103

The only way for Betnomi's admins to prove their trustworthiness and save their reputation is to pay ALL their users back ALL their money first, BUT it's also not a guarantee that they'll be trusted by the entire community again. Because if I had my money locked for months in a centralized service and the money was given back to me, I would never use any service owned or operated by those people again. One period of mental/emotional stress with them is enough.

Cool
For the sake that have been in trouble with their funds as they have became trusted by these users. They will just have to accept whatever is going to be the feedback of these people, whether they will say that they will still be trusted then that is good on their part.

But if these people after receiving their moneyback starts to say that they are not recommended and will never be back and gamble there again. They just have to accept any words from them and there is nothing they can do but to be in good faith and just return all of the pendings, either big or small amounts. As they have said, anyone who is eligible for that shall do.
I think what is most important at this point is not wether the betnomi team gain the trust of the community of not because their have already been down and at some point they announce that they are going to have domain name changes, which means the Betnomi we used to know is now scam and should remain like that.

But if the same team can make refunds as promised,  it then becomes another challenge for them to win the trust of the community and how they can do that,  is through adequate improvement and commitment to the promises.

You have a fair point here. In fact, a lot of reputable experienced this kind of setback before but manage to regain their reputation. Betcoin.ag is the best example here because they once didn’t honor a jackpot prize win by one of their customers. They stick to their decision for a long time and remain with negative trust until they come clean with the new management.

There’s always room for improvement here in the forum when all the previous problem was solved. They can always build their reputation slowly just like what they did when they are just new here.
Wasnt aware on Betcoin.ag's reputation about that non paying up a huge win but if we do tend to compare on what happened on Betnomi which do already involves on non operational or having no words
about the funds been locked or simpyl their operation then you cant really be able to blame to those people who would really be that skeptical on trusting them again. Why?
What if it would happen again about on getting on the same issue? For sure it would really be that the main thing for those people who had been affected with Betnomi's issues.

Its true that rebuilding up their reputation wont really be that bad and they are really that indeed trying to give or release with those funds which had been pending or locked up
which is really that an ethical thing to be done. Trust could be regained but it wont really be just that the same as before but at least they are really showing
that they are serious with the business despite of the situation.

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November 21, 2023, 01:48:45 AM
 #104

Let's wait and watch as it is too early to come to any conclusion. If they are committed to what they have said they would start the process as early as possible. If not then we would hear from those on the thread that they have not kept their promise. I still think that we should give them another chance and not start comparing them with other big exit scams. They have informed us of the reason why they suddenly stopped their service and it is better to wait some more time. If they refund the money they won't regain any lost trust it is just that it would help them in their new project.

Well, I'm also watching that what actions they will take in order to refund the players who used to trust them and deposited money into their platform. I hope that they would keep their promises this time because they used to say such words back then but due to their incompetency many players have lost a lot of money. I agree with you that they deserve another chance and I hope that this time they will refund all those users who have deposited money into their platform. I believe that if they get success in refunding the players then surely they can be trusted once again but yeah they won't get the trust that they have lost due to their incompetency.

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November 21, 2023, 06:39:01 AM
 #105

For the sake that have been in trouble with their funds as they have became trusted by these users. They will just have to accept whatever is going to be the feedback of these people, whether they will say that they will still be trusted then that is good on their part.

But if these people after receiving their moneyback starts to say that they are not recommended and will never be back and gamble there again. They just have to accept any words from them and there is nothing they can do but to be in good faith and just return all of the pendings, either big or small amounts. As they have said, anyone who is eligible for that shall do.
I think what is most important at this point is not wether the betnomi team gain the trust of the community of not because their have already been down and at some point they announce that they are going to have domain name changes, which means the Betnomi we used to know is now scam and should remain like that.

But if the same team can make refunds as promised,  it then becomes another challenge for them to win the trust of the community and how they can do that,  is through adequate improvement and commitment to the promises.
Yeah, that is what they need to gain. The trust of people through the promise of refunding but that is the hard they need to make because even if they do. The trust that has been given to them is hard to retain. And if they are going to rebuild their reputation and community , they have to restart again.

At this point, if there are still complains about the refund that have been stuck on them. What they have to do is to make arrangements until they show to everyone that they are serious into rebuilding their foundation whether they are going to make or change into a new domain.

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November 21, 2023, 11:31:33 AM
 #106

The only way for Betnomi's admins to prove their trustworthiness and save their reputation is to pay ALL their users back ALL their money first, BUT it's also not a guarantee that they'll be trusted by the entire community again. Because if I had my money locked for months in a centralized service and the money was given back to me, I would never use any service owned or operated by those people again. One period of mental/emotional stress with them is enough.

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For the sake that have been in trouble with their funds as they have became trusted by these users. They will just have to accept whatever is going to be the feedback of these people, whether they will say that they will still be trusted then that is good on their part.

But if these people after receiving their moneyback starts to say that they are not recommended and will never be back and gamble there again. They just have to accept any words from them and there is nothing they can do but to be in good faith and just return all of the pendings, either big or small amounts. As they have said, anyone who is eligible for that shall do.
I think what is most important at this point is not wether the betnomi team gain the trust of the community of not because their have already been down and at some point they announce that they are going to have domain name changes, which means the Betnomi we used to know is now scam and should remain like that.

But if the same team can make refunds as promised,  it then becomes another challenge for them to win the trust of the community and how they can do that,  is through adequate improvement and commitment to the promises.

You have a fair point here. In fact, a lot of reputable experienced this kind of setback before but manage to regain their reputation. Betcoin.ag is the best example here because they once didn’t honor a jackpot prize win by one of their customers. They stick to their decision for a long time and remain with negative trust until they come clean with the new management.

There’s always room for improvement here in the forum when all the previous problem was solved. They can always build their reputation slowly just like what they did when they are just new here.


It's not the best example in my opinion, and in fact, it's like comparing apples and oranges. Not giving a jackpot because of technicality is absolutely a different situation from a casino that disappeared with their users' funds.

Although some posters are right that it's within each of Betnomi's ex-users right to judge the casino, it's also probably better to wait for a reputable campaign manager vouch for the new Betnomi. Personally, I hope the users get their coins back, and that the new Betnomi is successful and honest.

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November 21, 2023, 11:32:23 AM
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Let's wait and watch as it is too early to come to any conclusion. If they are committed to what they have said they would start the process as early as possible. If not then we would hear from those on the thread that they have not kept their promise. I still think that we should give them another chance and not start comparing them with other big exit scams. They have informed us of the reason why they suddenly stopped their service and it is better to wait some more time. If they refund the money they won't regain any lost trust it is just that it would help them in their new project.

Well, I'm also watching that what actions they will take in order to refund the players who used to trust them and deposited money into their platform. I hope that they would keep their promises this time because they used to say such words back then but due to their incompetency many players have lost a lot of money. I agree with you that they deserve another chance and I hope that this time they will refund all those users who have deposited money into their platform. I believe that if they get success in refunding the players then surely they can be trusted once again but yeah they won't get the trust that they have lost due to their incompetency.

For what announcement they made for sure many people are now watching the latest development of  planned refund to their old users since if that would really happen then we can say that there's still a platform came back after they had been compromise and want to clear their brand for any negatives posting against them. Now maybe the next update they made would be more interesting since this might indicate the refund is near to come. Hopefully they are not playing around and troll people by giving false hope since if that happens for sure there's nothing to go back here and betnomi will not get a good trust coming from community so lets hope for the best and hope all parties will be happy if refund process will happen in near future.

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November 21, 2023, 01:51:29 PM
 #108

For what announcement they made for sure many people are now watching the latest development of  planned refund to their old users since if that would really happen then we can say that there's still a platform came back after they had been compromise and want to clear their brand for any negatives posting against them. Now maybe the next update they made would be more interesting since this might indicate the refund is near to come. Hopefully they are not playing around and troll people by giving false hope since if that happens for sure there's nothing to go back here and betnomi will not get a good trust coming from community so lets hope for the best and hope all parties will be happy if refund process will happen in near future.
I'm sure there's a lot of user data from Betnomi. they have to complete everything gradually. the process will not take a short time. but when they returned to the forum and provided such clarification, it was good news for all users with funds in the casino.
maybe Betnomi can return all their users' balances, but as they said, they will probably come up with another brand to continue the business.
no one wants problems in their business that result in very bad situations. This time it was experienced by Betnomi, maybe in the future we can also see it happen at other casinos. So for every gambler, be wise in managing the finances we leave at the casino.



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November 21, 2023, 02:07:36 PM
 #109

For what announcement they made for sure many people are now watching the latest development of  planned refund to their old users since if that would really happen then we can say that there's still a platform came back after they had been compromise and want to clear their brand for any negatives posting against them. Now maybe the next update they made would be more interesting since this might indicate the refund is near to come. Hopefully they are not playing around and troll people by giving false hope since if that happens for sure there's nothing to go back here and betnomi will not get a good trust coming from community so lets hope for the best and hope all parties will be happy if refund process will happen in near future.
I'm sure there's a lot of user data from Betnomi. they have to complete everything gradually. the process will not take a short time. but when they returned to the forum and provided such clarification, it was good news for all users with funds in the casino.
maybe Betnomi can return all their users' balances, but as they said, they will probably come up with another brand to continue the business.
no one wants problems in their business that result in very bad situations. This time it was experienced by Betnomi, maybe in the future we can also see it happen at other casinos. So for every gambler, be wise in managing the finances we leave at the casino.
It would be wrong if they tried to continue their business before the problem was resolved. So in my opinion, whether customers like it or not should come first, if all the problems have been resolved and Betnomi has proven its seriousness, you can continue business with a new name or something like that as long as the main points of problem with users are resolved.

Don't continue the business if the business with the old users has not been completed, because in essence the business they are running will not gain the trust of the full community and will create new negative stigma. Wouldn't it be unethical if they built a new business on the suffering of users waiting for confirmation. What I'm worried about is that the same thing will happen again along the way. You definitely know what I mean

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November 21, 2023, 02:26:21 PM
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I myself am quite happy because Betnomi has conveyed what happened to them straightforwardly and also wants to compensate and users who were harmed in the previous incident, it is very rare for casinos to dare to do this, we need to appreciate them.
And this is fresh news for aggrieved customers.

A few sentences that Betnomi will create a new casino with a new name, I think if this is successful, and customer losses at Betnomi casino have been refunded it will get a good adoption from Betnomi's old customers to the new casino created, after all this is the other side of the benefits of Betnomi's popularity that you have built for two years in general.

I miss a lot of the forum activities sponsored by Betnomi, even though I felt disappointed by the previous events, and considered the previous Betnomi gifts to be potentially fraudulent, such as bitcoin storage wallets.

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November 21, 2023, 04:37:59 PM
 #111

I myself am quite happy because Betnomi has conveyed what happened to them straightforwardly and also wants to compensate and users who were harmed in the previous incident, it is very rare for casinos to dare to do this, we need to appreciate them.
And this is fresh news for aggrieved customers.

A few sentences that Betnomi will create a new casino with a new name, I think if this is successful, and customer losses at Betnomi casino have been refunded it will get a good adoption from Betnomi's old customers to the new casino created, after all this is the other side of the benefits of Betnomi's popularity that you have built for two years in general.

I miss a lot of the forum activities sponsored by Betnomi, even though I felt disappointed by the previous events, and considered the previous Betnomi gifts to be potentially fraudulent, such as bitcoin storage wallets.

Let us save the happiness feeling to the occasion Betnomi is back and all the victims of this scam end up being fully refunded, until now (even though these are good news) we are not supposed to claim this to be an absolute victory for this community.

Also, it would be very unlikely former staff of this casinos messed with the hardware wallets they gave away as part of their promotions and contests, though, I would not personally take any chances and would try to open them up without breaking them and see if there is some electronic component which is not supposed to be there. It is a vector of attack I have already seen in Ledgers, not in Trezors yet.

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Betnomi Refund Plan

As announced a few days ago, it is our primary duty and responsibility to ensure that every user on our platform receives a complete refund. We are now progressing to the next phase of our refund process by opening a 30-day window. During this period, any user with a balance on our platform can initiate a withdrawal request.

Please be aware that after this 30-day withdrawal window, we will not be processing any further withdrawal requests.

Our objective is to facilitate a swift and seamless withdrawal process. Although we anticipate some users may attempt to submit fraudulent withdrawal requests, we assure you that we will meticulously verify all information before processing any requests. We strongly advise against wasting time on submitting fictitious claims.

Refund requests from users whose accounts have been closed or suspended due to fraudulent activities before the cessation of operations will not be processed. We have already identified and flagged such accounts.

Apart from these cases, we are ready to accept and process refund requests. Kindly send an email to refund@betnomi.com with the following details:

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1. First name, Last name (if you are KYC verified)
2. Username (request will be ignored if the username does not exist)
3. Email address (request will be ignored if the email does not match)
4. Refund Amount (approximate balance is acceptable)
5. Wallet address (we will process only in the cryptocurrency you have)

Our aim is to responsibly refund our users and ensure a secure process.

Thank you all for your cooperation.

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November 21, 2023, 06:42:11 PM
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Please be aware that after this 30-day withdrawal window, we will not be processing any further withdrawal requests.

It's a good move to give people back the money that was withheld in your casino, but I also think that in addition to you just posting in this thread in the form of a statement, it would also be good if you answered the many questions that were asked in this thread. thread, this would show greater transparency and honesty on your part after you disappeared without giving explanations, I know that when you created this thread you told the whole story, but it still doesn't hurt to answer the questions that people ask, now when you avoid answering the questions asked by people, then people will have a bad image of you than they already have and will hardly have any thought of trusting you again

Another point is that in the scam accusations section, scam accusations were opened against your casino, a user organized all accusations against your casino in a single thread, and you can see that here:

The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)

you can, in fact the right thing would have to be: "you must" post in each of those threads in which they accuse your casino to warn them about the money return criteria, I believe that after so many months that have passed they no longer fit into the forum and they won't be able to see this thread, you should also send a PM to each person who is complaining in these threads to notify them of the money back. Now when you don't do that, you just post here. It seems like this is just an attempt to clean up your image but without paying everyone, you would just pay some people who are lucky enough to see this thread. I sincerely hope that you had the good sense to send emails to all users of your casino informing them of this money refund issue. I don't have an account at your casino, so I don't know if you sent an email warning people about this money refund issue.

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November 21, 2023, 07:30:50 PM
 #114

Please be aware that after this 30-day withdrawal window, we will not be processing any further withdrawal requests.

It's a good move to give people back the money that was withheld in your casino, but I also think that in addition to you just posting in this thread in the form of a statement, it would also be good if you answered the many questions that were asked in this thread. thread, this would show greater transparency and honesty on your part after you disappeared without giving explanations, I know that when you created this thread you told the whole story, but it still doesn't hurt to answer the questions that people ask, now when you avoid answering the questions asked by people, then people will have a bad image of you than they already have and will hardly have any thought of trusting you again

Another point is that in the scam accusations section, scam accusations were opened against your casino, a user organized all accusations against your casino in a single thread, and you can see that here:

The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)

you can, in fact the right thing would have to be: "you must" post in each of those threads in which they accuse your casino to warn them about the money return criteria, I believe that after so many months that have passed they no longer fit into the forum and they won't be able to see this thread, you should also send a PM to each person who is complaining in these threads to notify them of the money back. Now when you don't do that, you just post here. It seems like this is just an attempt to clean up your image but without paying everyone, you would just pay some people who are lucky enough to see this thread. I sincerely hope that you had the good sense to send emails to all users of your casino informing them of this money refund issue. I don't have an account at your casino, so I don't know if you sent an email warning people about this money refund issue.

I dont think that it would matter much considering that they are already that making or  doing such step on giving out those funds back into its respective users or players.
If you do try to look back into its previous reply  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474377.msg63174370#msg63174370
Then im a bit sure that this do really sums up with those other questions that had been asked out.

Now that they are doing the step or action they must then it is really that fine and i dont see for it to be that much needed to answer or clear it out.
It is really just that sharing on the same questions if you do tend to readback in few pages.

@Betnomi, you should really be announcing into your other mediums considering that not all do knows about this sites existence whether you would be sending out some email
into those users or posting up into your social media and other ways.So that people would be aware about this refunding.

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November 21, 2023, 08:33:48 PM
Last edit: November 21, 2023, 10:20:55 PM by ryzaadit
 #115

-snip-
Appreciate your refund-plan.

My question is, do you still have some access to your website? IMO you should use this information and change the pannel maintenance to these process step. So everyone not only the person in the forum/telegram group is aware of the process.

Not everyone joined bitcointalk/telegram. So, my advice (change MT-notice and put these information on your betnomi website with the information case). All, I know you only explain the case in here and telegram for your partner issue.
- Explain the issue and refund program on website
- Send email reminder everyday
- Publish to every social you have.

Then, once the deadline is passed. It's fine, as long you are doing these.
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November 21, 2023, 11:15:33 PM
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Betnomi Refund Plan
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This is some great news for the community, thanks for the honesty and for explaining the full situation.

I understand it was a complex event and you had to proceed carefully with the investigation and the legal process. But is good to know that things are moving forward and the Refund Plan is in action.

I will miss Betnomi, it used to be a great community and their poker engine was awesome, we will not forget that Bitcointalk Poker Tournament.

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November 22, 2023, 02:06:12 AM
 #117

Betnomi Refund Plan
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This is some great news for the community, thanks for the honesty and for explaining the full situation.

I understand it was a complex event and you had to proceed carefully with the investigation and the legal process. But is good to know that things are moving forward and the Refund Plan is in action.

I will miss Betnomi, it used to be a great community and their poker engine was awesome, we will not forget that Bitcointalk Poker Tournament.

Don't cheer too early. For now nobody has reported receiving some funds, and myself neither. I have submitted my details for the refund plan and will report here immediately if and when I have received my funds. For now I have very little confidence though.
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November 22, 2023, 04:33:50 AM
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Don't cheer too early. For now nobody has reported receiving some funds, and myself neither. I have submitted my details for the refund plan and will report here immediately if and when I have received my funds. For now I have very little confidence though.

it has just been published and of course, it will take time to verify all incoming submissions. Of course that makes you and everyone whose funds are stuck in Betnomi disappointed. but there is new hope with the return plan.
I hope you are patient and like your deed, update when you get your return. that will be proof that Betnomi has 100% intention to return their member funds.

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November 22, 2023, 01:02:11 PM
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You're mention about (return-plan).

If you are a user and see by the customer side, are you gonna to play again on the same casino who make you getting problem (stuck your balance, etc) while there is no single information update from them?

I guess not, people are not gonna to play again on there.
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November 22, 2023, 02:22:22 PM
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Our objective is to facilitate a swift and seamless withdrawal process.
Swift and seamless! The withdrawal process wasn't swift and seamless while the website was online. So, it sounds funny what are you saying now. We will see how your 'swift and seamless' process is.

Kindly send an email to ~snip~
Why don't you send an email about the refund policy to every registered user instead of asking them to send a refund request? And why have you added those users in your distrust list who have left negative feedback on your account.

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