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[fusi0n]

Hey all,

It is with much sadness that I find myself having to make this announcement, usually I am a builder and do everything in my power to encourage people to carry on, and to bring hope, and that it is what I have tried to do over the last few weeks.
So it is difficult to find myself in a position where I am instead going to reverse my position and tell people to give up on something and cut their losses before they are hurt further. However there are things that must be said and based on these things I feel it is now the best course of action, the only ethical thing for me to do is to advise people against investing any further time or money in this coin.


Firstly, you will have noticed that despite my ultimatum and various impationed pleading on IRC by various community members that have given their all to their coins, amDOGE continues to flirt all responsibility, ignore everyone and won't make a basic statement. This is of course not a good sign for the coin, though nobody expects much from her ignoring people like a child at the time when the coin needs leadership is a disgrace and an insult to everyone who places trust in her.

Anyway unfortunately that isn't even what this post is about, there is more.
In my previous communications I stated that after dissapearing bdanyos accounts remained dormant - and that based on this and other things we could not believe that he was a scammer, as such myself and ozzke believed that something bad may have happened to him as it did not make sense.
Unfortunately this situation has changed, this weekend I decided to dig up the account information and look at it again, and to my surprise - at almost the same time as I made my announcement (around 4-5 March) about what was going on - the bdanyo accounts all sprung into action.
You can see them here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PNsD4AfYexQtuVRApcXyfjYAqZwPvagsLf
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBYhqaA3YFbc1LXKTDpPFqBqPMP33eSiQE
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBMjW35Ur4BpzQQ2V7sN5yqHMqqZhoY2De
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PSXKAXtZgRbdzcdNcE29UCZZ25wcHPsQpG
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PJmv2p7yx1pct3EsJM1RLiBmj58S3wzQFD

All of these accounts have been emptied into other accounts, following the blockchain trail around some of these other accounts have lots of deposits of 999998 PND into them (this is the maximum you can withdraw from bitrex at one time)
From what I can tell a lot of it ends up here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49
An account with 1.5 billion PND sitting in it, a substantial amount of PND. The blockchain trail is a mess and difficult to follow and of course he may have other further accounts on bittrex that haven't been emptied into ......

Hi MaNI, Hold your horses!

I'm affraid your assumptions are incorrect.

PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49 belongs to me and I am in no way associated with any PND devs.

[fusi0n]

MaNI, Thank you for making that post I know it was not an easy decision to come to but regretfully I must concur with your analysis and conclusions.  I found out about this less than 24 hours ago and i am still feel sick to my stomach we had really started something special.  For those of you who do not just wash your hands of crypto here and now in disgust and enjoyed the community led aspect of what we were trying to do please head over to pandacointalk there are still positive developments to discuss.

PhiPhi

MaNI's analysis and conclusions are incorrect.

[Argon18]

I was in dev channel. I can confirm MaNI was not new and he has been with PND for awhile and that he was wallet dev for PND.

He is still working for the others, by the way he played the story.
Keep any of the originals and the same pattern will develop, since they have to be on the inside to schedule the pump and dumps to their advantage.

[Argon18]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

[rghmodz]

I was in dev channel. I can confirm MaNI was not new and he has been with PND for awhile and that he was wallet dev for PND.

He is still working for the others, by the way he played the story.
Keep any of the originals and the same pattern will develop, since they have to be on the inside to schedule the pump and dumps to their advantage.

What? Who is still working for the others? MaNI? Nope he is going to another coin.

[Argon18]

What? Who is still working for the others? MaNI? Nope he is going to another coin.

LOL,
his whole purpose was to cause the PND is dead Dump,
just a cover story to trick the clueless.
They are playing you dude, read between the lines.
Read their forums from the beginning, this is like the 3rd time they have played the investors.

[maxvolts]

What do you base this accusation on?

[Argon18]

What do you base this accusation on?

Read their forums from the beginning, it becomes apparent.

Plus anytime in the past when i put up trading tips that would help you guys stop the dumping cycle,
those PND is Love PND is Life Posers would always shout me out, so it easy to see they were profiting from others loss. And where are they now , when you need cheer leaders the most.
Quiet as a pin, it is apparent. An entirely new team with none of them included has to be created if you want to avoid PND coin just being a pump and dump coin.

Here is 1 example:

why don´t rise the price? 

Because the $50,000 that Whale Panda invested in PND has been eaten away by the dumpers.
And he is out of funds to Pump up the coin , so now the price crash begins unless others invest all of their funds to hold the price.

and below is the reason
_______________________________________________________________________________ ___
Quote from: TheCoin on November 11, 2014, 12:53:58 PM
Dumpers have a finite amount of coins to dump and its normal for coins to change hands.  If you feel price is cheap, buy.

Sorry , but they have an ever changing amount.
Example
They Know WhalePanda is trying to increase the price, so they sell to him at 12 sat, but put in buy orders at a lower rate say 10 sat, and some sell when the price drops to 10 , so the dumpers replenish their pandacoins, and wait for the next pump and repeat selling higher. Why do you think that $20,000 input from whale never got you guys to even 20 sat. They are constantly draining the marketcap for their own personal gain.
The Dumpers are making money off of you every few sat.

Unless you can buy over 80% of the market , they will keep crushing you over & over again.

IMO
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______

Now let the personal abuse against me begin since that what happens whenever you say anything in this forum.

[SellPNDforDOGE]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

[Argon18]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

No AmDoge ,

People are just tired of being crushed by insiders.
You won't be able to trick them into pumping this coin above 1 sat again , like the last few times.
Best to look for another way of making money.

AG18

[MaNI]

Hey Pandalovers be calmed guys!

Forget about actual panic state. Let's look at numbers. Numbers don't lie: During last month more than 8 Bn PND had been dumped. Considering a total supply of 32 Bn that means 25% of the total has been sold with exit in the market. Believe me, not many cryptocoins can say that. For most of them, a 10% dump means the death.

Don't be afraid or panic, if the dev wants to exit at a ridicoulous price, he's free to do it. This coin is a big thing and cannot die, what's just happens is that a big holder is in a hurry. Money, as energy, don't get destroyed, just change of hands. And PND is quickly changing of hands thanks to this traitor dev. PND is still a valuable coin and smart investors will buy and hold it until fair prices come. Trust in me, I'm one of them and PND has given me the best opportunity of this 2015  

Wow how completely backwards, this isn't about some dev selling a few of his coins.
This is about a dev destroying the coin, so that he can get *billions*, yes he probably at this point holds over 4 billion of the coin or more.
He will wait for a rebuild and then dump all over you, putting your head in the sand will not change this.


Any hype you see from now on is an attempt to steal money from innocents, fall for it at your own peril, if you have any sanity don't spend another cent on this coin.

[MaNI]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

Argon, say what you want about me you are entitled to your opinion, but at least think about my version being legit.
1) You can check my nuick on freenode - I registered it 10 years ago - so while I'm not overly active in this community (check my post history I have posted a few times over the last 7 months) I'm no sock puppet.
2) I joined this coin around July not knowing the community or devs as I was hired
3) Things seemed to be going welll
4) It collapsed
5) I did what I thought was best and tried to give everyone hope
6) I realised that doing so was giving the scammers exactly what they want so I stopped and am now trying to save people from damage by advising them not to waste any more money and salvage what they can.


For the most part you are completely spot on, this coin will just get hyped and dumped from here on, but you are wrong about my motives.
You are also wrong about forming a new dev team - if you form a new dev team you will still get pumped and dumped - the price is too low and sinister players now hold too much of the supply. The reputation is way too shot for anyone who is serious to get involved.
I don't really care if you beleive me or not I guess but I just wanted to put it on the record, good luck. I only remain here for a while longer putting the truth out because anyone I can save from throwing money at a stupid investment I will.

[MaNI]

Anyway I've got more important things to do with my time. I've shared everything I know - which is more than I can say for anyone else involved.
I've warned everyone, so anyone who gets further burnt from here has no excuses.

* This coin has no remaining core devs that actually do anything.
* Many of the larger community members who actually contribute are already out.
* Huge amounts of coins are in the hands of dumpers waiting to dump.
* The founder is irresponsible and uncooperative at best, complicit or the mastermind of the scam at worst.
* The distribution is completely destroyed

You can assume that half the people posting now are sock puppets and/or pumpers, look at some of the comments from people with broken logic and only a few posts to their names.
You can assume that anyone who says anything about new features at this point is looking to hype, either because they are a large bagholder or because they are one of the dumpers.
You will be very unlikely to attract a real developer at this point who is not out to scam you.


Anyway, I've got nothing more to say, so this will be my last post here, you can proceed to talk shit about me if you want I don't really care, my freenode account is 10 years old, various people have my real details, the 'dev team' has my full CV - only an idiot would scam like this, I am not involved in any scam - I was paid to deliver work and I delivered it thats my only involvement here - but believe what you will, desperate people will look for any excuse to cling to some form of hope and I've done far more than I am obliged to to try help folks here, you're grown ups do what you will.
HOWEVER INVEST IN THIS COIN AT YOUR PERIL YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

So long and thanks for all the fish.

[no141]

How am I going to dump my coins now? Pandacoin has such a nice website...It can't be over, it just can't.

Oops, I just did. vaultex.io still has buyers, the highest is at 3 sats.

[Zzyz]

i like coin,free coin test  bounty

[SellPNDforDOGE]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

No AmDoge ,

People are just tired of being crushed by insiders.
You won't be able to trick them into pumping this coin above 1 sat again , like the last few times.
Best to look for another way of making money.

AG18

Leave AmDoge out of this, she can't do all the work here. She gave you the gift of pandacoin now it's up to you all to make it a big success. The people involved have done there share now the community must take it to the moon. Look at the Doge community, become the Doge community and make this a top 10 coin and we all can be rich.

[Tears on Dope]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

No AmDoge ,

People are just tired of being crushed by insiders.
You won't be able to trick them into pumping this coin above 1 sat again , like the last few times.
Best to look for another way of making money.

AG18

Leave AmDoge out of this, she can't do all the work here. She gave you the gift of pandacoin now it's up to you all to make it a big success. The people involved have done there share now the community must take it to the moon. Look at the Doge community, become the Doge community and make this a top 10 coin and we all can be rich.

Hi amdoge you should stop hiding behind that account we know its you 

[Argon18]

So what do we do now? Im holding since feb 2014 (only sold a bit to get my investment back.. man those 7-40 liteoshi days on mintpal were awesome )

But seriously. I like this community very much... It would be a damn shame to let this die..


Lets create a little in-topic poll


Can we still save PND with this community?

Yes or No

Your Problem is this to keep the old devs from dumping , you can't bid more that 1 satochi, you can't use any of the old dev team , or the PND is Love guys , they were all in on it.

Smartest answer would be to sell into their 1 sat wall and call it quits and move on to another coin completely.

But if there are some die hards that just won't quit, here is an option to mess up the old devs,
get a new dev and reverse split the coin numbers like 30 times, and then only buy it at 1 sat for like 3 months, then only 2 sat for like the next year so you can buy the old devs out and end the pump and dump.  By reverse splitting you remove their number advantage of coins, and only buying at 1 sat will crush them but keep the coin alive and after a year at 2 sat, then buy normally.
Whole lot of trouble , selling is easier.

AG18

[tw0rak]

Nobody here cares about devs, about the coin or anything else there...

All we care about is the trading - and it goes well - in this case - so many BTC are invested in this coin at 1sat price, somebody is investing 5-10BTC a day to buy as much as possible for the lowest possible price - you will see those 11btc at bittrex disappearing rly soon.

So now you have an accumulation - day, week or month from now and the pump is comming!

Its even in the name of this coin

PND...pump'n dump.

And my advice? Just buy as much as you can at this price.

[SellPNDforDOGE]

Nobody here cares about devs, about the coin or anything else there...

All we care about is the trading - and it goes well - in this case - so many BTC are invested in this coin at 1sat price, somebody is investing 5-10BTC a day to buy as much as possible for the lowest possible price - you will see those 11btc at bittrex disappearing rly soon.

So now you have an accumulation - day, week or month from now and the pump is comming!

Its even in the name of this coin

PND...pump'n dump.

And my advice? Just buy as much as you can at this price.

Finally someone with brains. Buy up all the coins and control the market, then you can sell 1 PND for 1 btc.