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[mtrycz]

tl;dr:
bdanyo disapeared. At this point everyone's guess is that something fatal happened. He didn't sell his wallet and was all around a honest person (see his chat with jacobux) so it's not like he dumped and escaped.
ozzke was facing a burnout and has urgent personal things to go about. He's still around sometimes, just not as a comunity manager. He's a great person and I hope he's doing well.

[donacid]

The dev team did an awesome job bringing PND to where it is today. PND is one of the best coins, if not THE best already.

The fudder above clearly have no stake in this community.  While it would be awesome to still have Bdanyo and Ozzke continue to lead the coin, the reality, people will not be around forever and at some point new people will need to step up.  This is where we are at right now.

Previous dev gave the community a solid coin to build upon.  They have done their part.  Now moving forward, the community will define the coin to ensure its long term viability.

We have been given all the tools, and the vision. Rather than whining and moaning, it is now time to get your hands dirty and do some real work.  

BTC founder went MIA, and the community collectively made what it is today.  PND founder is still around but needs fresh blood to help, can this community achieve more than the BTC community?  You are in control now to shape PND and what will become of PND.  


Hint: before criticizing amDOGE and co what they are doing for the coin, ask yourself what are you doing and what have you actually done.

its going to be hard to pull it off lol but youre right why did ozzke and bdanyo leave?

http://www.pandacointalk.com/index.php?topic=190.0
Pandacointalk is the answer of almost every question.
I suggest you to check it and you will also see things aren't that bad as it seems here. We, the community are already working on regrouping and filling the gaps that opened without bdanyo and Ozzke.

Those who are spreading FUD here aren't real community members, they have no clue what's happening atm and also only cared about their money instead of fellow Pandas.

[Bluestreet]

Has a coin ever comeback from a community takeover from the original devs?

[Pelgoran98]

GG PND is dead. We want the truth!



I have been in contact with an ex-prominent dev member, and what that person had to expose to me in private is extremely alarming.

o   amdoge is a fraud and a NEET with no skillsets besides js and basic coding that barely contributed to the past success of PND. The recent post by Mani highlighted that as a mercenary, he was responsible for all the past wallet innovations since August 31st, and amdoge had very little to do with it, with Ozzke/Bdanyo/Mani as the major driving forces for the past success. Amdoge was described as more of a background character that is arrogant and not trustworthy.  

o   the current dev team on the OP post is a lie and we as a community should demand the truth on who's still on the development team =

amDOGE: Founder of Pandacoin (PND). Takes part in community management, public relations, marketing, web development and maintenance for the PND wallet.
 
xfr: Senior programmer and cryptographer. Operates and maintains the multipool. Currently works as a Java lecturer and can code in multiple languages. My insider said xfr disappeared from the dev team since July last year, and ceased all contact with the team. Why is she/he listed as a dev even if he just maintains the multipool and no dev team member heard from him for over half a year?
 
Sakr: Senior Programmer with e-commerce, sys-admin and security/white hat hacking background. Can code in multiple languages This "Sakr" person is only listed as a filler person to boost dev numbers. Was supposed to be a dev member, but disappeared since March last year and not contributed to the team once.
 
Skirmant: Software and Mobile Applications developer. Proficient in C, C++, Java, Javascript & PHP programming languages. Skirmant was paid a bounty and only cloned the android wallet. Why is he still listed as a developer when he's not even in the development team? He/she is a contractor and is another filler to boost numbers
 
Brokencalculator: Business, executions and strategic consultant. Currently working for a large banking corporation, and his current position is to advise upper management on business direction Apparently got kicked out of the dev team half a year ago as he/she was suspected to be trading on insider information. Also was noted no contributions and is listed as another filler dev
 
Chris_Sze: Chinese Marketer, Community Manager and Translator. He works in the China and develops the Chinese PND community on Weibo, QQ, and Bitcointalk. Currently is the general manager of a manufacturing firm in China. Still around, but my insider said he does very little over on the China side, zero marketing.
 
Linux_Mint_Pal: Specialist in public education. Assists in marketing and in community outreach to the mainstream public. Currently tutoring Physics before moving on to a PhD program in Optics, and specializes in synthesizing complex information to a medium that is simple and easily understood by the mainstream. Disappeared and suspected of dumped PND long time ago.



This is a major issue. So many questions now unanswered, and we should demand answers together or PND will end up in the litoshis again.

o   How can we trust the dev team or amdoge after they have deceived us?
o   Why doesn't amdoge care as per above screenshot? doesnt she/he have 2 billion pnds? she dumped?
o   Is anything being worked on anymore?
o   Why were we left in the dark the whole time without any official responses?
o   Who's really left in the dev team now and what do they do?
o   Why do they hide and not go public with their identities?

Is this a test of our will? I reread absolutely everything from MaNI's beginning post on http://www.pandacointalk.com/index.php?topic=190.0 . It's all excruciating. So is "PNDisDEAD"'s FUD for thought. It'd be nice as hell to be able to counter all this fucking negativity and disappointment with action. I'd like us to take PandaX to the hilt and see it through. We need help, though, to be able to do it: like What is it?!! Can somebody please divulge it to one of us so we can make it happen? MaNI, you describe it as something magically powerful. I believe Ozzke has given his blessing, now why don't YOU hand it over to say, PhiPhi only, to preserve its confidentiality so that we have a chance to proceed with what you termed "a real game-changer." To just tease us with it, and divulge no more, is absolutely mean-spirited. Unless, that is, YOU are going to proceed with it as our paid mercenary. One way or the other, if PandaX is so "all that," then we need to enact it, bring it to fruition, and kick some major league cryptocurrency PND ASS with it. Understood?

[MaNI]

Look I have to be honest, I don't think the full PandaX is even remotely realistic right now.
At the time it was going to be executed we had two incredibly good marketing/management people working basically full time, we had a highly experienced/skilled shopping portal developer who was offering to do his part for free, we had someone funding a fair amount of money for me to work reasonable hours on my portion, we had lots of other developers volunteering to join and we had momentum behind the coin to carry it forward. Even with all these things it was as far as I am concerned an incredibly *ambitious* project - which is not to say I doubt we would have managed but rather that it was going to be a lot of hard work and was by no means a 'done deal' or something that would just materialise overnight. Timing was key.

All of these things are now gone, and they are not easy to get back, especially the momentum.

This does not mean that all is lost, it just means that it is required to be much more realistic right now, we still have a great community, we still have one of the best wallets there is a solid base to build on.
With a bit of focus on the basics, ironing out the wallet bugs, getting marketing back on track and putting out some basic new features, the coin can win back some confidence and gain momentum again and the only direction from here is up. That doesn't mean it is going to happen overnight though.

The vibe at http://www.pandacointalk.com is positive and things are happening, so as it stands there is every reason to remain positive, but at the same time grounded and realistic in our expectations - things are going to take time and won't happen overnight.
Launching into an overly ambitious project right now is unrealistic it isn't where the coin is positioned right now and it isn't what the coin needs, right now its necessary for the coin to find its footing on solid ground first.

Once the coin is solid again who knows what the future may hold, perhaps as the various pieces come into place PandaX will indeed actually happen - many of the individual parts or pieces required to build PandaX I have already put forward as project ideas on pandacointalk so it is definitely conceivable that we could eventually reach a point where we have something similar - or perhaps something better, there are many positive directions in which the coin may head and while PandaX was a great opportunity/idea it definitely isn't the only way to go or even necessarily the be all end all, there are dozens of ideas around.


Even if I thought it were a good idea to still persue PandaX I am not a bdanyo and I can't work full time on anything that time is not mine to give, my life is already incredibly complicated with a vast amount of responsibilites. I cannot be that person. I'm a programmer, who makes things happen behind the scenery on tight deadlines and tight budgets, but I'm no magician nor am I a leader.

The future can still be bright, but stop looking for a 'magic bullet' or easy out, there is going to be a lot of hard work by quite a few people and growth is going to be slow at first, there is no 'easy' way.

[MaNI]

That said I am happy to answer your question. Here is an IRC log from the other day where I tried to explain the basics of PandaX.
Understand that - as with most large projects - there were multiple role players each with only a partial understanding of how the parts of the system they weren't involved in would work, there were many very long discussions, diagrams and arguments to get on 'the same page' as one another, it is unlikely that any one person even fully understood how *everything* would work.
My role was mostly to code the parts needed in the wallet - so I can only give a full overview of that, and even there unless I want to go through weeks of explaining I can probably only put forward a simplistic view of what was going to happen.
Below logs reflect a very simplistic summary of the system, without going into too much detail of how exactly it all comes together and works.

[12:53] <goldfinch> yes, MaNI, is there any way we can help bring pandax back?
[12:53] <goldfinch> is it irretrievable?
[12:54] <MaNI> I've put various of the pieces in the project ideas
[12:54] <goldfinch> the 100k thing - i assumed that involved cooperating with a company somehow
[12:54] <cadexn> ^
[12:55] <MaNI> The starting point was to integrate seemless BTC transactions into the wallet to allow spending BTC as if it were PND - this would technically give us over '100k merchants' but it was realised this was just a 'trick' so it was not the whole picture.
[12:55] <goldfinch> i see
[12:55] <cadexn> ok that cleared up alot for me MaNI
[12:55] <MaNI> The next part was to integrate a web store/portal into the wallet itself
[12:55] <Joori> paybase haha sorry that just popped into my mind when you mentioned the portal
[12:55] <cadexn> Pandabase
[12:55] <Joori> #noscam
[12:56] <MaNI> BTC merchants would be scrapped and put into it, there would be negotations for cashback offers and stuff like that
[12:56] <SparkMasterTape> IPO - Initial Plummit Offering
[12:56] <MaNI> kind of like a groupon or something
[12:56] <goldfinch> so largely it's coding and negotiation with individuals
[12:56] <MaNI> the wallet was going to become a dual wallet so you could have a BTC wallet and PND in one to draw BTC users
[12:56] <Joori> so pretty much what paycoin tried doing but failed at so miserably because homero is a greedy theif
[12:57] <SparkMasterTape> little more complicated but yeah
[12:57] <MaNI> there would be PND cash back on all BTC transactions to entice BTC users to PND
[12:57] <Joori> that's not bad
[12:57] <SparkMasterTape> Surprised hes not on trial, or is he?
[12:57] <goldfinch> can the pnd be spent?
[12:57] <MaNI> sales figures and promotions would be used to entice various vendors to start taking PND payments directly
[12:57] <goldfinch> with the merchants
[12:57] <goldfinch> ah
[12:57] <MaNI> thats the rough thing
[12:57] <goldfinch> it's a good idea
[12:57] <MaNI> it was very big/complex how it all tied together
[12:58] <MaNI> and I was focused more on various technical aspects not how the merchant part itself would work
[12:58] <goldfinch> i guess we can slowly put parts of it together.
[12:58] <Joori> beats paycoin since they don't even want to accept their own coin as payment... hows that for retarded
[12:58] <goldfinch> i can't recall who, but someone is creating a way to make btc transactions with pnd
[12:58] <MaNI> but yeah there are a lot of skills needed to tie it all together at once without those skills I don't think its something we could do now
[12:58] <goldfinch> we can integrate that
[12:58] <MaNI> though we could slowly add various pieces and work toward it
[12:59] * tymbrwlf_ is now known as tymbrwlf
[12:59] <MaNI> there was a very skilled guy with experience doing shopping portals doing the shopping portal side
[12:59] <MaNI> bdanyo had just pulled him in a few weeks before he dissapeared
[12:59] <cadexn> oh man
[12:59] <MaNI> the guy obviously then dissapeared as well
[12:59] <tymbrwlf> !lotto
[12:59] <pndtip> Wow! pndtip tipped tymbrwlf 21 Ᵽ! "/msg pndtip help" to claim.
[12:59] <cadexn> this is really a shame
[12:59] <tymbrwlf> !withdraw PQw3SXc8Zceg6XivMAM6w2LPV3VtCx6fzC
[12:59] <MaNI> so yeah its a huge shame and why I can't believe he would have just dumped it all on his own accord
[13:00] <MaNI> the pieces were all just coming together well so it makes no sense

[Pelgoran98]

Look I have to be honest, I don't think the full PandaX is even remotely realistic right now.
At the time it was going to be executed we had two incredibly good marketing/management people working basically full time, we had a highly experienced/skilled shopping portal developer who was offering to do his part for free, we had someone funding a fair amount of money for me to work reasonable hours on my portion, we had lots of other developers volunteering to join and we had momentum behind the coin to carry it forward. Even with all these things it was as far as I am concerned an incredibly *ambitious* project - which is not to say I doubt we would have managed but rather that it was going to be a lot of hard work and was by no means a 'done deal' or something that would just materialise overnight. Timing was key.

All of these things are now gone, and they are not easy to get back, especially the momentum.

This does not mean that all is lost, it just means that it is required to be much more realistic right now, we still have a great community, we still have one of the best wallets there is a solid base to build on.
With a bit of focus on the basics, ironing out the wallet bugs, getting marketing back on track and putting out some basic new features, the coin can win back some confidence and gain momentum again and the only direction from here is up. That doesn't mean it is going to happen overnight though.

The vibe at http://www.pandacointalk.com is positive and things are happening, so as it stands there is every reason to remain positive, but at the same time grounded and realistic in our expectations - things are going to take time and won't happen overnight.
Launching into an overly ambitious project right now is unrealistic it isn't where the coin is positioned right now and it isn't what the coin needs, right now its necessary for the coin to find its footing on solid ground first.

Once the coin is solid again who knows what the future may hold, perhaps as the various pieces come into place PandaX will indeed actually happen - many of the individual parts or pieces required to build PandaX I have already put forward as project ideas on pandacointalk so it is definitely conceivable that we could eventually reach a point where we have something similar - or perhaps something better, there are many positive directions in which the coin may head and while PandaX was a great opportunity/idea it definitely isn't the only way to go or even necessarily the be all end all, there are dozens of ideas around.


Even if I thought it were a good idea to still persue PandaX I am not a bdanyo and I can't work full time on anything that time is not mine to give, my life is already incredibly complicated with a vast amount of responsibilites. I cannot be that person. I'm a programmer, who makes things happen behind the scenery on tight deadlines and tight budgets, but I'm no magician nor am I a leader.

The future can still be bright, but stop looking for a 'magic bullet' or easy out, there is going to be a lot of hard work by quite a few people and growth is going to be slow at first, there is no 'easy' way.

MaNI, this is precisely why I wrote my impassioned plea. You have more than satisfied my need to know. It gives us much more information and direction than we had. AND, it helps damp down all that fucking FUD out there. It had to be asked. It had to be answered. And you have done that. Many thanks, kind Teammate. ~Pelgoran

[PhiPhi]

 PNDis(not)DEAD Can we now draw a line under this and move on?  I think there is enough information here and on pandacointalk.com for anybody to put the pieces together.  I doesn't matter anymore because it's history and as our French cousins say Le roi est mort, vive le roi!. The community dev projects and support are shaping up nicely, if you believe in the coin then what are you waiting for?  The old devs are gone and the new kids on the block are the community so come and join us and make yourself useful.

[Pelgoran98]

PNDis(not)DEAD Can we now draw a line under this and move on?  I think there is enough information here and on pandacointalk.com for anybody to put the pieces together.  I doesn't matter anymore because it's history and as our French cousins say Le roi est mort, vive le roi!. The community dev projects and support are shaping up nicely, if you believe in the coin then what are you waiting for?  The old devs are gone and the new kids on the block are the community so come and join us and make yourself useful.

Hell YES.

[PNDisKILL]

PNDis(not)DEAD Can we now draw a line under this and move on?  I think there is enough information here and on pandacointalk.com for anybody to put the pieces together.  I doesn't matter anymore because it's history and as our French cousins say Le roi est mort, vive le roi!. The community dev projects and support are shaping up nicely, if you believe in the coin then what are you waiting for?  The old devs are gone and the new kids on the block are the community so come and join us and make yourself useful.

Hell YES.

i made is acc to prove that its all ogre
game over
sorry for your loss
#YOLOSWAG420N0Sc0pErekt

[PhiPhi]

I well I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of proof. Bye

[PhiPhi]

PNDis(not)DEAD Can we now draw a line under this and move on?  I think there is enough information here and on pandacointalk.com for anybody to put the pieces together.  I doesn't matter anymore because it's history and as our French cousins say Le roi est mort, vive le roi!. The community dev projects and support are shaping up nicely, if you believe in the coin then what are you waiting for?  The old devs are gone and the new kids on the block are the community so come and join us and make yourself useful.

Hell YES.

i made is acc to prove that its all ogre
game over
sorry for your loss
#YOLOSWAG420N0Sc0pErekt

Hang on "i made is acc to prove that its all ogre"

I see what you did there Ogre is another name for troll so you're actually saying  Hang on "i made is acc to prove that its all a troll"

Nice one you had me going for a moment  

[mtrycz]

trolls gonna troll
haters gonan hate
while this sexy motherfucker is munching on some delicious bamboo
and basically,
you're fucking stupid.

Long live PND!

[TheCoin]

Money don't grow on trees.

Ozzke almost went broke dedicate fully for PND for an extended period and it came a time he needed to pull his life back together.  The devs made many real life sacrifices to give PND a reasonably good chance to succeed.  They were great volunteers.

This does not mean those key figures won't rejoin in the future.  

Meanwhile, community can and need to continue to evolve the usefulness of PND.  

I can't put the concept any simpler.

[maxvolts]

As far as i am concerned, PND needs someone at the helm, someone that has the vision and the knowledge to gather together a new dev team, i don't know what skillset's we have in our community, but at the moment we are just going around in circles. With the odd idiot popping up talking crap with FUD.
We need a team, to start the momentum up again. This coin is without doubt salvageable, but only if as a community we react to what has happened. Draw a line in the sand and look forward, rather than back.

[maxvolts]

We should be doing all we can to work on a roadmap with MaNI and secure his services, he's wallet is the best out there, try to fund his work to move forward. We also have PhiPhi, that is extremely commited. That's the start of a dev team right there.

[rastab48]

You people need to take off the blinders. The posts from "wtf", "pndisdead", and so on are not FUD. They are perfectly valid. This coin is an investment, and every investor deserves answers. Enough of this SOON & TO THE MOON trivial childish nonsense. Either amdoge snaps out of his/her funk and organizes a new dev team with a set path and attainable goals or this coin is DEAD.

And don't give me this crap about how "the community needs to..." blah blah blah. If the community wants to put something together that's just peachy, but the sole responsibility of the success of the coin directly lies with those who created it. The community invested in the coin by buying it. I don't buy stock in Ford and then tell THEM how to build a car, that's their fucking job. Cryptos are no different.

[Pelgoran98]

And George W. Bush and Dick Cheney permanently fucked the world. Just thought this was as good a time as any to add this.

[MaNI]

Car analogies are moronic.

Anyway aside from anything else you miss the point, there is no company here, only a group of volunteers, you did not buy shares. Where do you think the previous devs e.g. Ozzke came from, do you think he came out of thin air or from the community? This coin has always been community driven the load was just not very fairly shared.
There was no IPO or premine so its not like amDOGE just went shopping and bought a dev team.

You bought coins, from a currency, a currency that happened to have some people developing it (for free) - when you bought those coins the person you bought them from got the money, not the people developing it, though even if they did the point remains you bought coins not a shareholding or a stock certificate.
The people who were making those coins valuable by doing free stuff have moved on - you can either cry and bleat about it and end up with nothing or you can help ensure the coins retain value by participating - this doesn't mean you suddenly need to become a programmer there are many other ways to add value to a coin like selling things in it or spending in it or simply participating in some way, or even heaven forbid simply keeping quiet and not making juvenile comments seeking to kill to coin like "omg pandacoin is dead".
Nobody is telling you to participate they are just saying it is an option - but rest assured if nobody partcipates then this coin will die - thankfully there is a lot going on at http://www.pandacointalk.com - which you probably haven't even bothered to check out...




If you wanted to own shares in a car company then you should have bought stock in tesla or ford, then you could have acted like a normal shareholder in a car company. If you wanted to invest in a cryptocurrency as a company then you should have found one that is a company and bought shares in it - not coins.
Do not blame others for your fundemental misunderstanding of what you are doing.

Seeing as you like absurd car analogies here is one for you, what you are doing is the equivalent of buyying a ford steering wheel (not even a car) and then throwing a tantrum when the people who make ford close down - demanding that somebody should for free re-open ford for you and do everything you want because you want your steering wheel to gain in value so you can make money.

[MaNI]

amDOGE.

I was hoping to avoid this but I see no other way, a lot of people are sticking out their necks here to defend you and you remain silent.
Many community members are putting in a lot of effort at http://www.pandacointalk.com to try find a future for the coin and you remain silent.

I'm not expecting or demanding much from you unlike some others, I don't demand that you write a long explanation or that you find a new dev team, or that you develop it all yourself. The community is doing just fine on its own, however as you can see in this forum people still see you as the main figure, and there is the matter that you are still - as far as we know the largest holder of coins and therefore the person with the most to gain if price goes up. There is also the matter that you control the community chest amongst other things which means without your participation it is very difficult for the community to salvage this situation.


Without some form of official statement from you, you make it very difficult for the community to carry on, and these constant negative messages by people will keep streaming in - and lets be honest even if they are somewhat unrealistic (like rastab) they are not unreasonable, they are based on the fact that you are completely silent.


I don't know if it is the case that you have given up on PND completely, that you are in a depression, or that you still want PND to flourish but are just too lazy or scared or something to actually do anything. (Or something else entirely)
However I can't put any more effort in while this situation remains.
I for one would like to get on with things and stop talking so here it is I am laying down an ultimatum.


-------------------------------------------------------Ultimatum to amDOGE -----------------------------------------------------------------
As the founder of this coin you have the responsibility to either try to grow this coin or hand it over to people who will, if you do nothing your inaction makes you personally responsible for people losing money. While you owe nobody anything in terms of future development by any means you must realise that this is not a time where you can just be completely silent.
I for one will no longer participate in any effort to save this coin, or defend you further, unless you either:
1) Make an official statement blessing the new community effort as the way forward, hand over the community chest to someone in the community, and donate a reasonable portion of your PND holdings to the chest so that you too are participating in trying to save the coin, if other people are putting PND forward it seems only fair that the largest stakeholder should too.
2) Become active again and work with the new community effort, make an official statement in this regard and let people know what is going to happen.