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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fboolberry.com%2Fimages%2Fbct%2Fcontacts.png&t=665&c=MyqdJQl3MdEUvg) Website: https://boolberry.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/boolberryBBRMedium: https://medium.com/@BoolberryBBRReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/Discord: https://discord.gg/2amMcYn![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fboolberry.com%2Fimages%2Fbct%2Fdescription.png&t=665&c=-OxATNisLLRqbQ) Boolberry is a cryptocurrency based on CryptoNote technology. Boolberry's major benefit is that it provides much stronger privacy for both the senders and receivers of transactions. It does so by ensuring that receivers are anonymous (the destination of a transaction can only be determined by its real recipient) and transactions cannot be linked to a single sender. Instead, each transaction could have many equally possible senders, and an attacker cannot determine which one it was. Boolberry improves upon Ordinary CryptoNote technology in several ways. Boolberry offers improved anonymity through unlinkable outputs. Boolberry reduces the size of the block chain, the global ledger of all transactions, by pruning the ring-signatures. This provides over a 55% reduction in block chain size. These features are found in no other CryptoNote based cryptocurrency. A few other exclusive features are an easy-to-use GUI wallet, address aliasing and the ability to send network alerts. PrivateBoolberry exchange protocol supports multiple unique one-time addresses protecting receiver from being exposed UntraceableWith ring signature technology Boolberry keeps transactions untraceable by blending a message within an equiprobable group Solving blockchain bloatBoolberry's unique pruning mechanism trims old ring signatures that are covered by checkpoints Defending against asicsBoolberry employs a Wild Keccak algorithm designed specifically to keep real miners in the game User friendlyBoolberry wallet app will finally bring an easy-to-use experience to Cryptocurrency. It's unique alias system gives users the option to replace long wallet addresses with a simple alias, such as @yourname ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fboolberry.com%2Fimages%2Fbct%2Fspecs.png&t=665&c=Akb3y0nlHVBl-w) Launch Date: 17 May 2014 16:00 GMT Algorithm: Wild Keccak (Blockchain-Based PoW hash) Block Generation: 2 minutes Money Supply: ~18,450,000 Premine: 0% Default P2P Port: 10101 Default RPC Port: 10102 Developer Bounty: Up to 1% (Controlled by miner's votes) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fboolberry.com%2Fimages%2Fbct%2Fwp.png&t=665&c=SgCTpuTTN8zgRA) Wild keccak whitepaper https://boolberry.com/files/Block_Chain_Based_Proof_of_Work.pdfCryptonote 2.0 https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdfBoolberry Reduces Blockchain Bloat https://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdfBoolberry Solves CryptoNote Issues https://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Issues.pdf![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fboolberry.com%2Fimages%2Fbct%2Fdownloads.png&t=665&c=tR201iEQJfcGlg) Github/Releases https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/releases/ http://mining.blue/https://boolberry.luckypool.io/http://bbr.miningclub.info/![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fboolberry.com%2Fimages%2Fbct%2Fmarkets.png&t=665&c=evOFyMDSmBqwfQ) BTC-Alpha https://btc-alpha.com/exchange/BBR_BTC/STEX https://app.stex.com/en/basic-trade/pair/BTC/BBR/1D Crypto_zoidberg Lead Dev Sowle Dev Ravaga PM Hashapplience Biz Dev ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fboolberry.com%2Fimages%2Fbct%2Fcontributors.png&t=665&c=UGwDon1BSXqaGw) Clintar, Crypjunkie, B4h4mu7, Aldobryn, Alex.Bo, Shojayxt, Dga, Surfer43, James(jl777), Othe, Enerbyte, Pt7, Satoutaka6612, Trueberry, Damashup
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I don't get the distribution. How do we acquire this coin? is it by mining?
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Diagram is unreadable, maybe you can get a higher resolution for that?
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April 20, 2014, 07:11:49 AM |
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Is this a fork of bytecoin?
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April 20, 2014, 10:17:37 AM |
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Diagram is unreadable, maybe you can get a higher resolution for that? Do you have a main account in Bitcointalk?
Link to full size image placed under the picture: http://honeypenny.org/files/transaction_gen.png And, we've decided to act anonymously, for more objective assessment of our work - no real names at this phase. Is this a fork of bytecoin?
Yes, it is based on bytecoin code, but there are two bytecoins actually, bitcoin fork and cryptonote-based bytecoin, it is a little confusing. That why we've decided to refer to Cryptonote. Anyway, comparing the bytecoin code, we've changed some naming there, because writing everywhere "cryptonote" is not informative. Instead, files which related with currency core now named with "currency" prefix. The same thing with namespaces. It may seems strange to make so bold changes in code, but we have a very clear and fine understanding what we do.
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April 20, 2014, 11:27:53 AM |
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It hurts my ears when someone claims loudly that he has implemented something from scratch and it is going to be released in a few days and be better when something on the market. Either you are really good/geneous developers (possibility 1%) or it is another blah blah blah (possibility 99%).
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April 20, 2014, 11:51:25 AM Last edit: May 01, 2014, 10:56:29 AM by crypto_zoidberg |
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It hurts my ears when someone claims loudly that he has implemented something from scratch and it is going to be released in a few days and be better when something on the market. Either you are really good/geneous developers (possibility 1%) or it is another blah blah blah (possibility 99%).
Agree with you man. So many opinionated announcements that come to nothing, not to mention the banal scams. But, to be clear - Cryptonote technology already released in Bytecoin project (do not be confused with the same named Bitcoin fork, meaning bytecoin.org - cryptonote-based project), and seems to be working, we belive it working. And even with the belief in this technology, we took off rose-colored glasses and wrote Shortcomings
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April 20, 2014, 12:32:50 PM |
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But, to be clear - Cryptonote technology already released in Bytecoin project (do not be confused with the same named Bitcoin fork, meaning bytecoin.org - cryptonote-based project), and seems to be working, we belive it working. According to records on their website, Bytecoin first block was found July, 4th 2012. So, it is quite old coin, almost two years old. At the same time CryptoNote Forum looks a bit empty. I'm wondering why such a promising (according to the whitepaper) technology didn't get much attention and acceptance in a two years period. It's a bit strange.
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April 20, 2014, 12:54:53 PM |
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Same "developer" as Bitmonero (same writing style and other signatures). Same stupid name for a coin. My guess is these guys are out to destroy the Bytecoin (Cryptonote) reputation and eliminate competition by jumping early to aid implosion.
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April 20, 2014, 03:40:45 PM |
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It hurts my ears when someone claims loudly that he has implemented something from scratch and it is going to be released in a few days and be better when something on the market. Either you are really good/geneous developers (possibility 1%) or it is another blah blah blah (possibility 99%).
Agree with you man. So many opinionated announcements that come to nothing, not to mention the banal scams. But, to be clear - Cryptonote technology already released in Bytecoin project (do not be confused with the same named Bitcoin fork, meaning bytecoin.org - cryptonote-based project), and seems to be working, we belive it working. And even with the belief in this technology, we took off rose-colored glasses and wrote ShortcomingsI'm ready to bet on 1 BTC that we'll start our network in april 28.So this is not written from scratch, basically modified Crypto-note. Is it like Scrypt change into Scrypt-N?
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April 20, 2014, 04:56:45 PM Last edit: April 26, 2014, 12:06:25 AM by crypto_zoidberg |
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So this is not written from scratch, basically modified Crypto-note. Is it like Scrypt change into Scrypt-N?
Exactly this we wrote in announce: ....Cryptonote represents absolutely new code, made from scratch,....
Let me explain our approach to hashing: main idea of cryptonote hash is to have memory consuming algorithm (2MB scratchpad) coupled with more complex instructions set - considered that it protects from ASIC. But it makes hash function works really slow, that is bad for connectivity - slower blockchain synchronisation (PoW for each block takes avr 400ms, because used to cover whole scratchpad), and it is bad for security - it is possible to make attacks via burning your CPU for nothing (sending of fake blocks). We've decided to use blockchain as scratchpad (with salt of course) coupled with fast version of cryptonote hash(or not) (reduced scratchpad to 130kb, and with reduced scratchpad we able to reduce iterations count). It is two-phase hashing - in first we make extra-fast hash to discover pseudo-random data addresses (indexes), and in second: we do actually hash with the salt based on first extra-fast hash. Since blockchain is always grows up we belive that it will be almost imposible to make effective ASIC. On the other hand, it will make mining process effective with complete node, so we killing two birds with one stone - make ASIC-resistant hash and gets more full nodes in network (even with pools). Hope this is clear. If not - feel free to ask. PS: I'm very sorry for my terrible english, my native language pretty different as well as my way of thinking. So, i ask all native english speakers to forgive me) Hope the language of ideas and "rocket since" will make mutual understanding more simple and easier.
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April 20, 2014, 05:41:35 PM Last edit: April 20, 2014, 05:58:14 PM by cocoakrispies |
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Will I be able to keep my HoneyPennies in my HoneyPot?
Sorry, had to get that out of the way. Seriously though why HoneyPennies? It's just awkward is all.
Also.. why are you asking for arbitrary taxes? 10% to yourselves is a bit much . . but that's not my main issue because you said it was changeable and can be turned off.
My main focus is the % you've set aside for CryptoNote. Have you contacted them about that? Do they want a royalty fee? I don't see you've posted on their forum, so I'm just wondering if you're in contact with them at all.
Another concern here is that you will be seemingly making significant changes to the source. Have you passed any of the proposed changes through them? It's stated very clearly on their forum that they're both looking for and willing to help new implementations of CN. It would be weird to offer them royalties for something they don't agree with.
Wouldn't reducing the scratchpad and required iterations open this hash wide for easy GPU and ASIC mining? That seems counter-intuitive to what CN wants from what I was reading. I'm a little unclear of how you plan on implementing the hash apart from the short description here, so I'm at a large disadvantage.
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April 20, 2014, 06:12:34 PM |
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Could we have a comparison of the differerence between this money and bitmonero, the first derivation of bytecoin (an thus, based on cryptonote technology too)? Disclaimer: I mine bitmonero.
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April 21, 2014, 08:30:38 PM |
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- Blockchain-based hash: unlike Bytecoin PoW hash, which works on 2MB scratchpad and takes avr 400 ms, new hash will work on blockchain random data to provide operation speed. We will use the same data primitives that are used when checking transactions in the block, to make it not slower compared to checking every transaction in the block.
This defeats the very purpose of CryptoNight. 2 MB is suitable for CPU L3 cache but too much for ASICs, making distribution more even because of accessibility. 400 ms is not a big deal since transaction speed is limited by the block time. - Donation-based crowdfunding: the project will not have premine, instamine or other unfair launch. The project has open and transparent model of project financing: part of the emission (10%) is reserved for the development of the project, BUT the rate of emission of these coins will be controled by network participants (miners). Namely, miners will indicate the amount of coins to be given to developers in each block that they found. Maximum donation size for each block is determined by nominal donations formula, based on entire emission formula. This policy allows better communication between community and project development team. Finally if a miner is not happy - he can reduce donation to zero.
As a tribute to technology, we have fixed royalty percentage of donation, charged to the founders of Cryptonote.
I don't understand. You've given a number (10%) but also said it can be changed by miners. Is 10% the default that miners must deliberately change? Good luck with this fork and thanks for supporting merge-mining. I hope to see more CN coins.[/list]
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April 21, 2014, 08:33:15 PM |
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Could we have a comparison of the differerence between this money and bitmonero, the first derivation of bytecoin (an thus, based on cryptonote technology too)? Disclaimer: I mine bitmonero.
Correct me if i'm wrong but on summary these are the biggest changes 1. The use of another hashing algorythm based on the blockchain, it should fix the slow bc syncing we experience in BCN & BMR. 2. 10% of total coins going through emission to the developers so they can do their job when drinking cocktails on the Bahama's. (in other words, 10% of each block goes into the devs pockets) 3. Mixing level of coins will always be greater then 0 4. Smaller blockchain because of dust removal 5. p2p broadcasting like used in Litecoin for sending messages through the blockchain 6. Mapping of addresses to short names for easy access For the dev. Are you changing the way the blockchain is stored? Like write it directly to a db and not a full mem load?
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April 21, 2014, 08:36:26 PM |
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Good News! Blockchain-based hash is Done. And little bug fixed in transaction-generation code.
Daemon is seemed to be working ok, but some of coretests now is broken(need to be refactored). Next feature to do - is transaction outs with guaranteed anonymity.
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April 21, 2014, 09:07:53 PM |
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I don't understand. You've given a number (10%) but also said it can be changed by miners. Is 10% the default that miners must deliberately change? I guess it is similar to NXT where you can choose the amount of NXT for the transaction fee.
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April 21, 2014, 09:18:41 PM |
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April 21, 2014, 10:38:46 PM |
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Will you release code that compiles on OSX? I am still waiting for both Bytecoin and Bitmonero to do so....
To be honest, you won't be taken seriously until you release binaries, osx source code, and a GUI.
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April 21, 2014, 11:14:36 PM |
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Will I be able to keep my HoneyPennies in my HoneyPot?
Sorry, had to get that out of the way. Seriously though why HoneyPennies? It's just awkward is all.
Also.. why are you asking for arbitrary taxes? 10% to yourselves is a bit much . . but that's not my main issue because you said it was changeable and can be turned off.
About 10%, will try to make it clear: You should know, that quality development is always requires a lot of effort and work part-time is unacceptable for any serious project. And you've all seen how much forks was launched and abandoned later, for various reasons, but mainly because the developing became economically unfeasible. We have developed this approach (and we believe it is honest and democratic) to declare that we are going to work on this project for a long time. This is our proof that the project will not be abandoned. We just want to do things we like to do, and we want to earn some money with it. And we not not ashamed of this. My main focus is the % you've set aside for CryptoNote. Have you contacted them about that? Do they want a royalty fee? I don't see you've posted on their forum, so I'm just wondering if you're in contact with them at all.
Yes, we communicate with them. As long as our project is in active development now, they have not approve it yet, but they are familiar with our concept and address for royalty was generated by them. But, of course, it doesn't mean anything yet. It is up to CryptoNote. Another concern here is that you will be seemingly making significant changes to the source. Have you passed any of the proposed changes through them? It's stated very clearly on their forum that they're both looking for and willing to help new implementations of CN. It would be weird to offer them royalties for something they don't agree with.
Wouldn't reducing the scratchpad and required iterations open this hash wide for easy GPU and ASIC mining? That seems counter-intuitive to what CN wants from what I was reading. I'm a little unclear of how you plan on implementing the hash apart from the short description here, so I'm at a large disadvantage.
We know what we do with the code. If you take a look, you'll se. About PoW hash i've wrote in another answer: We've decided to use blockchain as scratchpad (with salt of course) coupled with fast version of cryptonote hash(or not) (reduced scratchpad to 130kb, and with reduced scratchpad we able to reduce iterations count). It is two-phase hashing - in first we make extra-fast hash to discover pseudo-random data addresses (indexes), and in second: we do actually hash with the salt based on first extra-fast hash. Since blockchain is always grows up we belive that it will be almost imposible to make effective ASIC. On the other hand, it will make mining process effective with complete node, so we killing two birds with one stone - make ASIC-resistant hash and gets more full nodes in network (even with pools).
Hope this is clear. If not - fill free to ask.
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