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April 13, 2020, 09:07:40 PM
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This coin looked like it had potential, but Elon Musk will be driving around Mars as an AI rover before this project ever sees the light of day.  Very definition of vapourware.
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April 14, 2020, 05:14:55 AM
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 Roll Eyes

People who dwell on the negative, never achieve anything. They will be the first to be replaced by bots.

The evidence of progress made is clear. Check out the forum for the latest at https://safenetforum.org/

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April 20, 2020, 12:50:13 AM
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The Bittrex pump is a scam.
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April 20, 2020, 08:40:37 AM
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The Bittrex pump is a scam.

You don't have to write about it. This is a typical crypto pump....
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April 20, 2020, 10:31:08 AM
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The Bittrex pump is a scam.

You don't have to write about it. This is a typical crypto pump....
Looks like a pump with no obvious reason, but it's nice anyway
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April 20, 2020, 10:49:27 AM
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OmniDex incoming should help provide a better option, as that will be decentralised in the way that cryptogeneration always talked about being the vision for how exchanges should be done. It's possible its linked to the recent buy.. but equally possible that someone sensible is playing a long game and recognisesnthe potential for SAFE.. it's not hard to see the upwards opportunity here.

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Last edit: April 23, 2020, 02:57:48 PM by bitsalame
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Download SAFE’s latest versions

SAFE Browser from https://github.com/maidsafe/safe_browser/releases/tag/v0.17.0-alpha.1
and the Command Line Interface (CLI) can be downloaded and installed using the install script
and see Baby Fleming Public Shared Section for the first post walk through of how to connect the CLI for then creating accounts and uploading webpages etc.

See also SAFE Network Dev Update - April 2, 2020 suggests new mobile browser https://github.com/maidsafe/safe-mobile-browser/releases/tag/0.4.0
C'mon Maidsafe, when are you going to launch? This is getting ridiculous, are we still going to be waiting this time next year.. WTF is going on Maidsafe


When I got interested in crypto, this seemed like one of the most interesting projects out there,
but really, if regular Internet developed at this pace, we would still use Gopher, Veronica and Archie

Okay, do you want to talk about the "regular internet"? Fine, lets do that, lets talk a bit about history:
David Irvine is the equivalent to J.C.R. Licklider.
Do you know how long it took from his concept of the "Intergalactic Computer Network" to even start making the first baby steps as the ArpaNet?
It took 9 years to develop the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP). It took another 6 years to implement the Internet Protocol (IP).
Do you know how many years it took from the Arpanet to become the actual Internet? Another 7 years, until the ARPANet was decomissioned, became commercial and Tim Berners-Lee created the HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP).
From concept "Intergalactic Computer Network" to the release of the WorldWideWeb it took 28 years in total, to then begin their first baby steps to gather public adoption.

Everything up to that point was essentially basic research, and testing out new untested revolutionary ideas to implementing them is a very sinuous route, which NONE of you bunch of cry babies can even fathom.

If your concept of "regular internet" is developing webapps on existing frameworks, using rapid prototyping scripting languages, using existing libraries and building on existing paradigms, then you have no idea of what actually MaidSafe is attempting to achieve.
MaidSafe attempted to rewrite the internet almost from zero, no blueprints exist, there are no models to base it on, and no other crypto project is even dreaming what MaidSafe is about to achieve with their Safe Network. And do you know how freaking hard is to avoid sunk cost fallacies and technical debt?
They decided to refactor the whole project from C++ to Rust, being one of the first large projects to adopt it, and definitely the first one in the crypto space that foresaw the need for a memory safe programming language that performs as well as C. It was extremely bold and even crazy at the time, but now looking backwards it was the wisest decision ever made.

It isn't even based on blockchains (as this project was born before the release of Satoshi's whitepaper), and it was the first and still the only one that will bring a whole new original consensus mechanism that is truly robust, distributed and decentralized. Without compromising hacks like supernodes and other patchworks. Tell me one project that can guarantee being fully equitative and democratic, without inheriting cumbersome governance drama.
A fully trustless autonomous private network without bottlenecks, it doesn't even use tcp/ip for routing packages within the network.
If that's the promise, building something like that properly will take its sweet time.

Btw, Tim Berners-Lee has been developing the next version of linked-data internet called Solid, guess how long it took to develop it? About 9 years.
And guess who is in close talks with Tim Berners-Lee and which project has been experimenting with it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTNVv0WV4os
If you understand the design of the Safe Network and what Solid is capable of, you will understand that this is the most naturally perfect match, which if successful it will become a major tour de force. It may change the face of the Internet forever.

I am not here to defend the commercial viability of the project, but to point out that it is ridiculous to compare a project this ambitious to any other internet webapp type of development.
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April 30, 2020, 05:49:08 AM
Last edit: April 30, 2020, 06:51:07 AM by goindeep
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Been a SAFE fan since the begin.
Its one of the greatest if not the greatest crypto project ever.
A year form now many people will wish they bought it.
But even then...farming, apps, creation....

As bitsalame says... your comparing the new internet to a website or app, its like comparing a jet to remote controlled childrens toy.

The WWW was built over decades. Get some perspective. This project is bigger than Bitcoin. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.

https://i.imgur.com/O9fkp0I.jpg
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April 30, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
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Not much listing since poloniex...
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May 15, 2020, 04:04:20 PM
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Download SAFE’s latest versions

SAFE Browser from https://github.com/maidsafe/safe_browser/releases/tag/v0.17.0-alpha.1
and the Command Line Interface (CLI) can be downloaded and installed using the install script
and see Baby Fleming Public Shared Section for the first post walk through of how to connect the CLI for then creating accounts and uploading webpages etc.

See also SAFE Network Dev Update - April 2, 2020 suggests new mobile browser https://github.com/maidsafe/safe-mobile-browser/releases/tag/0.4.0
C'mon Maidsafe, when are you going to launch? This is getting ridiculous, are we still going to be waiting this time next year.. WTF is going on Maidsafe


When I got interested in crypto, this seemed like one of the most interesting projects out there,
but really, if regular Internet developed at this pace, we would still use Gopher, Veronica and Archie

Okay, do you want to talk about the "regular internet"? Fine, lets do that, lets talk a bit about history:
David Irvine is the equivalent to J.C.R. Licklider.
Do you know how long it took from his concept of the "Intergalactic Computer Network" to even start making the first baby steps as the ArpaNet?
It took 9 years to develop the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP). It took another 6 years to implement the Internet Protocol (IP).
Do you know how many years it took from the Arpanet to become the actual Internet? Another 7 years, until the ARPANet was decomissioned, became commercial and Tim Berners-Lee created the HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP).
From concept "Intergalactic Computer Network" to the release of the WorldWideWeb it took 28 years in total, to then begin their first baby steps to gather public adoption.

Everything up to that point was essentially basic research, and testing out new untested revolutionary ideas to implementing them is a very sinuous route, which NONE of you bunch of cry babies can even fathom.

If your concept of "regular internet" is developing webapps on existing frameworks, using rapid prototyping scripting languages, using existing libraries and building on existing paradigms, then you have no idea of what actually MaidSafe is attempting to achieve.
MaidSafe attempted to rewrite the internet almost from zero, no blueprints exist, there are no models to base it on, and no other crypto project is even dreaming what MaidSafe is about to achieve with their Safe Network. And do you know how freaking hard is to avoid sunk cost fallacies and technical debt?
They decided to refactor the whole project from C++ to Rust, being one of the first large projects to adopt it, and definitely the first one in the crypto space that foresaw the need for a memory safe programming language that performs as well as C. It was extremely bold and even crazy at the time, but now looking backwards it was the wisest decision ever made.

It isn't even based on blockchains (as this project was born before the release of Satoshi's whitepaper), and it was the first and still the only one that will bring a whole new original consensus mechanism that is truly robust, distributed and decentralized. Without compromising hacks like supernodes and other patchworks. Tell me one project that can guarantee being fully equitative and democratic, without inheriting cumbersome governance drama.
A fully trustless autonomous private network without bottlenecks, it doesn't even use tcp/ip for routing packages within the network.
If that's the promise, building something like that properly will take its sweet time.

Btw, Tim Berners-Lee has been developing the next version of linked-data internet called Solid, guess how long it took to develop it? About 9 years.
And guess who is in close talks with Tim Berners-Lee and which project has been experimenting with it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTNVv0WV4os
If you understand the design of the Safe Network and what Solid is capable of, you will understand that this is the most naturally perfect match, which if successful it will become a major tour de force. It may change the face of the Internet forever.

I am not here to defend the commercial viability of the project, but to point out that it is ridiculous to compare a project this ambitious to any other internet webapp type of development.

"From concept "Intergalactic Computer Network" to the release of the WorldWideWeb it took 28 years in total..."

And that's with DARPA funding!  I think many of us like the idea of a decentralized internet, but this is a research project.   Want to donate directly to Maidsafe?  Go for it, but skip this useless token.  Can't call this an investment on such a long timescale, real estate has a better return for a similar timeframe.
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May 15, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
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I think

A clueless newbie enters..creates a word salad and thinks they talk for many!  Grin

How about we stick to what we know.

There has been significant progress against the roadmap.
https://safenetwork.tech/roadmap/

Look to the Fleming Feature status..
13 steps down and Vaults From Home and Farming are being worked on now.

There's a lot of active support out there from those who understand what it takes to achieve real utility. See https://t.me/safenetwork Telegram is just another with 1000 users. The neighsayers and noobs who want instagratification for zero effort, miss out as they always do. SAFE is for everyone, even the lazy generation who do not appreciate the hard work others put it to create real products that are robust and do work well in the real world.

It is remarkable how much consistent progress has been made and that is evidenced in each of the weekly updates on the forum.. see https://safenetforum.org/c/development/updates/

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May 16, 2020, 12:43:31 AM
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"The neighsayers and noobs who want instagratification"

Now who's posting word salads! 

But point taken, I'm a total noob here.  Only heard of maidsafe since 2016, and still no product.  Not even close.   And since when is waiting over 4 years considered "instagratification"? 

Who's really being delusional here?
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May 16, 2020, 05:47:36 AM
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Who's really being delusional here?

You're not delusional, you are bitter and disingenuous - I care not for why.
You already noted that development of the www took a while. yawn.

This project only attracts the weakest trolls because everyone with good sense understands the value and prospect.. and appreciates the work to date; many then also understanding the complexity and the effort required.

What has been achieved to date is outstanding.

If you're either stupid; missing the point; or inexperienced and childlike, then my advice is take time to understand to have some respect for others.
If you are not stupid, then make a positive contribution.. go bug hunting or suggest enhancements https://github.com/maidsafe/

Yes there is a way to go, but damn the progress to date outshines the dull minds who fail to know what is important.

whining is for losers.

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May 16, 2020, 06:34:24 AM
Last edit: May 16, 2020, 04:24:08 PM by davidpbrown
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for those who know how to make a contribution..

SAFE Network Forum
How to create a forum for your local SAFE community?


Dimitar has just posted a great abc step by step guide for setting up foreign language forums.

https://safenetforum.org/t/how-to-create-a-forum-for-your-local-safe-community/


Edit: I've just updated safe://list which should work better on the mobile browser.. latest mobile browser available from https://github.com/maidsafe/safe-mobile-browser/releases/tag/0.5.1

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May 17, 2020, 12:20:58 AM
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Who's really being delusional here?

You're not delusional, you are bitter and disingenuous - I care not for why.
You already noted that development of the www took a while. yawn.

This project only attracts the weakest trolls because everyone with good sense understands the value and prospect.. and appreciates the work to date; many then also understanding the complexity and the effort required.

What has been achieved to date is outstanding.

If you're either stupid; missing the point; or inexperienced and childlike, then my advice is take time to understand to have some respect for others.
If you are not stupid, then make a positive contribution.. go bug hunting or suggest enhancements https://github.com/maidsafe/

Yes there is a way to go, but damn the progress to date outshines the dull minds who fail to know what is important.

whining is for losers.

There's so many directions to go in trading insults, but really what's the point? 

Checked again on maidsafe progress, it's just disappointing what little has happened since 2017.  Still just has their beta browser and wallet to play with, doesn't look much different from 2017 aside from some coding updates.
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May 17, 2020, 06:47:00 AM
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really what's the point? 

Some do not understand how to make a contribution to the world and just want to drag others down. Sad.
Some need to learn the basics about what makes a better world and how!

Others will try to make a better world, counter the negatives with doses of reality and hope on occasion to turn the negatives and provide people the opportunity to contribute. Too many lazy people in this world atm.

Lite trolling on projects, is a waste of time.. but useful for bumping this thread to the top.. and more sensible minds will understand what is put in front of them as the opportunity to contribute.

Pity the fool, who thinks the world is there simply for exploitation.

SAFE is for everyone but if you're going to post here, try to be interesting!

Development takes time and effort - something unfamiliar to those who have never achieved completion on their own projects.

SAFE is a project trying to improve the prospects of Privacy; Security; and Freedom. Evil upon those who think badly of those.

For the basics https://safenetwork.tech/
For the developers https://hub.safedev.org/

For the current progress https://safenetwork.tech/roadmap/

For the community and any questions https://safenetforum.org/

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May 17, 2020, 06:49:05 AM
Last edit: May 22, 2020, 04:59:49 PM by davidpbrown
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For the current progress https://safenetwork.tech/roadmap/
Weekly updates at https://safenetforum.org/c/development/updates/

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May 22, 2020, 05:00:15 PM
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SAFE is a project trying to improve the prospects of Privacy; Security; and Freedom.

For the basics https://safenetwork.tech/
For the developers https://hub.safedev.org/
Code and bug hunt at https://github.com/maidsafe/

For the current progress https://safenetwork.tech/roadmap/
Weekly updates at https://safenetforum.org/c/development/updates/

For the community and any questions https://safenetforum.org/


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June 02, 2020, 03:36:36 PM
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If you know bash and github, there's a useful option to lend a hand
 - see Converting safegit bash scripts to SAFE CLI?
Getting to know SAFE Drive would also be a useful insight into what SAFE will do in future.

SAFE CLI abc is at https://github.com/maidsafe/safe-api/blob/master/safe-cli/README.md

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June 09, 2020, 07:34:39 PM
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LanguageForumWebsite
Bulgarianhttps://forum.safenetwork.bg/http://safenetwork.bg/
Spanishhttps://forum.safenetwork.es/-
Germanhttps://SafeNetworkForum.de/-
Frenchhttps://forum.safenet.fr/-
Englishhttps://safenetforum.org/https://safenetwork.tech/
Russianhttps://forum.safenetforum.ru/-

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https://safenetforum.org/t/how-to-create-a-forum-for-your-local-safe-community/31715

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