[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[iourzzz]

The new .999 Fine Silver physical Moneroj are now available for purchase at cryptonic.net

[binaryFate]

Does xmr.to use the mixin 3?

xmr.to is an xmr to btc payment service.  I think the user needs to initiate the mixin from their end.

Yep. FWIW we use mixin >= 3 whenever we send from our xmr wallet (to convert the stash back into btc for instance).

[QuantumQrack]

The new .999 Fine Silver physical Moneroj are now available for purchase at cryptonic.net

Very nice!

So obverse side: Secure, Private, Untraceable

Reverse:
Digital Currency
It is true

or, True Digital Currency?  Is that right in esperanto?

[bigj]

https://getmonero.org/getting-started/merchants
should be updated, because Melotic does not offer XMR exchange.

And Bter is missing, I know they were hacked but so was poloniex (before Monero).

Reverse:
Digital Currency
It is true

or, True Digital Currency?  Is that right in esperanto?

Is It True, its an "old saying" around here 

Bter is barely working. XMR/BTC is online but... spread is sky-high, basically no transactions... Monero on Bter is done at the moment.

[papa_lazzarou]

U know whats the best about XMR?

That we don´t give a fuck about people like you.

Othe reminds me of Bruce Banner. *chuckle*

[fluffypony]

In what ways can the community improve Monero?

I would like to contribute my time, but am not a coder.

There are three ways:

1. Make something creative! You don't need permission to use Monero artwork and resources, and all the content / images / podcasts on getmonero.org are covered by a Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 license (see: https://getmonero.org/legal/copyright), so feel free to reuse and remix.

2. Contribute to the website. There's a small learning curve to understand the layout of the website source and to learn the basics of Kramdown (the Markdown flavor we use), but once that's done then you just have to create a GitHub account and use the "edit" button on the various .md files in the site repo (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site). For instance, to edit the "node" Moneropedia page just navigate to the page on GitHub (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/knowledge-base/moneropedia/node.md) and click the edit pencil icon at the top right of the preview (only shows when you're logged in I think). GitHub will guide you through the fork-and-PR process:)

3. Add to the ecosystem. You can do this by creating a store / website / app that uses Monero, or convincing someone to accept Monero (without badgering them or acting like a vacuum cleaner salesman / religious nut / fair trade organic save the whales level 5 vegan), or by noting that you accept Monero when selling stuff on eBay / Craigslist / Gumtree / whatever.

Above all remember that you don't need to ask permission to do anything. The worst that can happen is you do something and it isn't well received, but at this stage everyone is so hungry for the ecosystem to grow that you could sell horse poop deliveries for Monero and it'd be a hit.

[mmortal03]

Update!!

Well I lost it all. My hard died on me. I was able to sync with bitmonerod (thanks for the help by the way). However, my .keys files went down with the hard drive... 534 Monero's!! almost a year worth of mining down the drain.

Well, i still have 1.5 KH/s worth of mining power. Back to the drawing board....

Word of caution to all - BACKUP/SAVE your stuff! Don't be me!!!

Terrible news.

You might want to save the dead hard drive. If there is a "moon" event, taking a shot with an expensive data recovery service might be worth it.

Those companies cost too much. I looked into it. It costs around 250 dollars (US) and I lost about 1 BTC worth. I might as well just start mining again. on the plus side, on a pool I mined 1 XMR since yesterday

If there were other important things on there, at least the XMR would pay for the recovery. And, if the price goes up...

[GingerAle]

HORSE POOP DISCOVERIES

I'll go find some horsepoop for 10 monero per poop.

Then I'll put little flags in it with the Monero logo on them.

[BoscoMurray]

Does xmr.to use the mixin 3?

xmr.to is an xmr to btc payment service.  I think the user needs to initiate the mixin from their end.

Yep. FWIW we use mixin >= 3 whenever we send from our xmr wallet (to convert the stash back into btc for instance).

It might be worth stating this somewhere on the site, to increase users confidence in it's effectiveness.

Speaking of, doesn't the site use Java? Surely not good for users seeking anonymity?

[BoscoMurray]

In what ways can the community improve Monero?

I would like to contribute my time, but am not a coder.

There are three ways:

1. Make something creative! You don't need permission to use Monero artwork and resources, and all the content / images / podcasts on getmonero.org are covered by a Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 license (see: https://getmonero.org/legal/copyright), so feel free to reuse and remix.

2. Contribute to the website. There's a small learning curve to understand the layout of the website source and to learn the basics of Kramdown (the Markdown flavor we use), but once that's done then you just have to create a GitHub account and use the "edit" button on the various .md files in the site repo (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site). For instance, to edit the "node" Moneropedia page just navigate to the page on GitHub (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/knowledge-base/moneropedia/node.md) and click the edit pencil icon at the top right of the preview (only shows when you're logged in I think). GitHub will guide you through the fork-and-PR process:)

3. Add to the ecosystem. You can do this by creating a store / website / app that uses Monero, or convincing someone to accept Monero (without badgering them or acting like a vacuum cleaner salesman / religious nut / fair trade organic save the whales level 5 vegan), or by noting that you accept Monero when selling stuff on eBay / Craigslist / Gumtree / whatever.

Above all remember that you don't need to ask permission to do anything. The worst that can happen is you do something and it isn't well received, but at this stage everyone is so hungry for the ecosystem to grow that you could sell horse poop deliveries for Monero and it'd be a hit.

How about a charitable event to promote XMR? Something like "Monero for Movember". http://www.movember.com/

Movember is more and more popular these days. Charities might not accept Monero (that I know of) but there are some who will accept Bitcoin, so the Monero could be converted and sent to them.

[fluffypony]

How about a charitable event to promote XMR? Something like "Monero for Movember". http://www.movember.com/

Movember is more and more popular these days. Charities might not accept Monero (that I know of) but there are some who will accept Bitcoin, so the Monero could be converted and sent to them.

That's a great idea, I'd support that 100%. Even if we only raised a small amount for e month it would be something that could be repeated every year:)

[BlockchainBoss]

In what ways can the community improve Monero?

I would like to contribute my time, but am not a coder.

There are three ways:

1. Make something creative! You don't need permission to use Monero artwork and resources, and all the content / images / podcasts on getmonero.org are covered by a Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 license (see: https://getmonero.org/legal/copyright), so feel free to reuse and remix.

2. Contribute to the website. There's a small learning curve to understand the layout of the website source and to learn the basics of Kramdown (the Markdown flavor we use), but once that's done then you just have to create a GitHub account and use the "edit" button on the various .md files in the site repo (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site). For instance, to edit the "node" Moneropedia page just navigate to the page on GitHub (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/knowledge-base/moneropedia/node.md) and click the edit pencil icon at the top right of the preview (only shows when you're logged in I think). GitHub will guide you through the fork-and-PR process:)

3. Add to the ecosystem. You can do this by creating a store / website / app that uses Monero, or convincing someone to accept Monero (without badgering them or acting like a vacuum cleaner salesman / religious nut / fair trade organic save the whales level 5 vegan), or by noting that you accept Monero when selling stuff on eBay / Craigslist / Gumtree / whatever.

Above all remember that you don't need to ask permission to do anything. The worst that can happen is you do something and it isn't well received, but at this stage everyone is so hungry for the ecosystem to grow that you could sell horse poop deliveries for Monero and it'd be a hit.

Thanks for the detailed response. All great points.

Is this currently the best way for webstores to accept Monero? http://monero.org/add-monero-to-your-website/

I personally feel that enhancing awareness (without blatant advertising, as you indicated) of the values of the currency will help expand the ecosystem, as it entices new users from a diversity of backgrounds. Then the points you mentioned above will grow organically. "New blood" is inclusive and furthers the community -- I think one of the reasons AmericanPegasus (from /r/bitcoin fame) came on board, in addition to the tech, is due to the helpful responses from devs and the no-bullshit approach from the community.

Also: https://xmr.to/ really caught my attention due to the novelty factor.

This kind of innovation will turn heads.

Any leads on whether it will be possible to integrate Monero with Open Bazaar?

[GingerAle]

In what ways can the community improve Monero?

I would like to contribute my time, but am not a coder.

There are three ways:

1. Make something creative! You don't need permission to use Monero artwork and resources, and all the content / images / podcasts on getmonero.org are covered by a Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 license (see: https://getmonero.org/legal/copyright), so feel free to reuse and remix.

2. Contribute to the website. There's a small learning curve to understand the layout of the website source and to learn the basics of Kramdown (the Markdown flavor we use), but once that's done then you just have to create a GitHub account and use the "edit" button on the various .md files in the site repo (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site). For instance, to edit the "node" Moneropedia page just navigate to the page on GitHub (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/knowledge-base/moneropedia/node.md) and click the edit pencil icon at the top right of the preview (only shows when you're logged in I think). GitHub will guide you through the fork-and-PR process:)

3. Add to the ecosystem. You can do this by creating a store / website / app that uses Monero, or convincing someone to accept Monero (without badgering them or acting like a vacuum cleaner salesman / religious nut / fair trade organic save the whales level 5 vegan), or by noting that you accept Monero when selling stuff on eBay / Craigslist / Gumtree / whatever.

Above all remember that you don't need to ask permission to do anything. The worst that can happen is you do something and it isn't well received, but at this stage everyone is so hungry for the ecosystem to grow that you could sell horse poop deliveries for Monero and it'd be a hit.

Thanks for the detailed response. All great points.

Is this currently the best way for webstores to accept Monero? http://monero.org/add-monero-to-your-website/

I personally feel that enhancing awareness (without blatant advertising, as you indicated) of the values of the currency will help expand the ecosystem, as it entices new users from a diversity of backgrounds. Then the points you mentioned above will grow organically. "New blood" is inclusive and furthers the community -- I think one of the reasons AmericanPegasus (from /r/bitcoin fame) came on board, in addition to the tech, is due to the helpful responses from devs and the no-bullshit approach from the community.

Also: https://xmr.to/ really caught my attention due to the novelty factor.

This kind of innovation will turn heads.

Any leads on whether it will be possible to integrate Monero with Open Bazaar?

Re: webstores, there is a payment script / (php perhaps??) of some sort somewhere in this thread. I wonder if anyone put it in the getmonero forums yet. I think its from TheKozi2 or something like that.

re: openbazaar - there was a guy (I think Atrides) that secured funding to develop, and you can follow some development on github , https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar/pull/4

[dEBRUYNE]

In what ways can the community improve Monero?

I would like to contribute my time, but am not a coder.

There are three ways:

1. Make something creative! You don't need permission to use Monero artwork and resources, and all the content / images / podcasts on getmonero.org are covered by a Creative Commons CC BY 3.0 license (see: https://getmonero.org/legal/copyright), so feel free to reuse and remix.

2. Contribute to the website. There's a small learning curve to understand the layout of the website source and to learn the basics of Kramdown (the Markdown flavor we use), but once that's done then you just have to create a GitHub account and use the "edit" button on the various .md files in the site repo (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site). For instance, to edit the "node" Moneropedia page just navigate to the page on GitHub (https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/knowledge-base/moneropedia/node.md) and click the edit pencil icon at the top right of the preview (only shows when you're logged in I think). GitHub will guide you through the fork-and-PR process:)

3. Add to the ecosystem. You can do this by creating a store / website / app that uses Monero, or convincing someone to accept Monero (without badgering them or acting like a vacuum cleaner salesman / religious nut / fair trade organic save the whales level 5 vegan), or by noting that you accept Monero when selling stuff on eBay / Craigslist / Gumtree / whatever.

Above all remember that you don't need to ask permission to do anything. The worst that can happen is you do something and it isn't well received, but at this stage everyone is so hungry for the ecosystem to grow that you could sell horse poop deliveries for Monero and it'd be a hit.

Thanks for the detailed response. All great points.

Is this currently the best way for webstores to accept Monero? http://monero.org/add-monero-to-your-website/

I personally feel that enhancing awareness (without blatant advertising, as you indicated) of the values of the currency will help expand the ecosystem, as it entices new users from a diversity of backgrounds. Then the points you mentioned above will grow organically. "New blood" is inclusive and furthers the community -- I think one of the reasons AmericanPegasus (from /r/bitcoin fame) came on board, in addition to the tech, is due to the helpful responses from devs and the no-bullshit approach from the community.

Also: https://xmr.to/ really caught my attention due to the novelty factor.

This kind of innovation will turn heads.

Any leads on whether it will be possible to integrate Monero with Open Bazaar?

Re: webstores, there is a payment script / (php perhaps??) of some sort somewhere in this thread. I wonder if anyone put it in the getmonero forums yet. I think its from TheKozi2 or something like that.

re: openbazaar - there was a guy (I think Atrides) that secured funding to develop, and you can follow some development on github , https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar/pull/4

Relevant:

XMR Integration / DEMO

Finally done with this script. The idea is to make it easier for people to setup their own monero accepting website. A working demo can help with that!

This is a complete PHP integration of monero. Once setup you will have a working membership site with:

• Login/Registration
• Generation of payment id
• Deposit of funds (automatically added to account after X confirmations)
• Withdraw of funds (added to processing queue and processed automatically)
• Admin Panel displaying current balances and other useful info (e.g status of daemon and wallet)
• With some minor changes, you can add multiple cryptonote types of currencies/assets
• The script comes with cron.php, which is the processing script. It can be setup to run forever in the background, or even as a cron job. Read the comment in cron.php for more info.

For install instructions simply open install.php

Download here: https://github.com/TheKoziTwo/xmr-integration

Step by step install (install.php):


Login/Registration:


Account area:


Admin area:


There is no guide for how to setup daemon and simplewallet in "server mode". I have been working on a guide as well, but it's not posted anywhere yet, so I'll put some quick guidelines below:

Introduction

With bitcoin, transactions are identified with a unique address. Monero uses payment id instead to identify transactions. This means that your XMR receiving address will be the same for all users, but payment_id will be unique. Users transferring money to your site need to specify both address and payment id

Setting up server

Bitcoin has both wallet and daemon in one and the same software. Monero has split these into two separate applications. You have bitmonerod which is the daemon and simplewallet which is the wallet. This requires us to connect to two different services.

Daemon (localhost:18081/rpc/)

You need to launch daemon in server mode, to do so run it with:

Code:

./bitmonerod --rpc-bind-ip 127.0.0.1 --rpc-bind-port 18081

Thats all. Once you have a daemon running, you can connect to it from one or even multiple wallets.

Wallet (localhost:18082/rpc/)
First of all create a wallet as usual (if you have not already done so):

Code:

simplewallet --generate-new-wallet mywallet.dat

Enter a password (demo123), you don’t need to write down the seed, but you may.

exit the wallet.

In order to perform operations usings the API, the wallet must run in rpc server mode, to do so, run it with the following param (make sure the daemon is already running first):

Code:

./simplewallet --wallet-file mywallet.dat --password demo123 --rpc-bind-port 18082

Another example, if you have bound the daemon to an IP/PORT and also wants to bind the simplewallet, this example below shows how:

Code:

./simplewallet --daemon-host 192.168.10.54 --daemon-port 18081 --wallet-file mywallet.dat --rpc-bind-ip 192.168.10.54 --rpc-bind-port 18082 --password demo123

Now you should be able to access the wallet outside of your localhost also.

IMPORTANT: When wallet is running in RPC mode it’s technically possible for hackers to empty your wallet if your port is open. You don’t want that, so make sure 18082 is closed.

[David Latapie]

Not sure you read his post carefully.  Say monero goes to $25.  Is $250 worth the risk to recover 534x$25?  That's a question for you to answer.  But how much does it cost to put the broken hard drive on a shelf until monero is worth $.00003 or $25.00?

ATM, Monero is around 30 cents. Spend 260 dollars and you get your moneroj back, in a way. If later on, one monero is worth 250 dollars, so much the better, but right now, it is not.

It would be like saying that the 10 000 BTC pizza guy lost millions. Crap, he did not lose a thing if he bought back (and I am pretty certain he did, at least partially).

[dEBRUYNE]

Not sure you read his post carefully.  Say monero goes to $25.  Is $250 worth the risk to recover 534x$25?  That's a question for you to answer.  But how much does it cost to put the broken hard drive on a shelf until monero is worth $.00003 or $25.00?

ATM, Monero is around 30 50 cents. Spend 260 dollars and you get your moneroj back, in a way. If later on, one monero is worth 250 dollars, so much the better, but right now, it is not.

It would be like saying that the 10 000 BTC pizza guy lost millions. Crap, he did not lose a thing if he bought back (and I am pretty certain he did, at least partially).

Edited that for you. I agree with you btw, you could also just store it somewhere safe at home and try to recover it when Monero is worth a lot more. However, the mental impact of a non-recoverable disk will be greater when Monero is worth a lot than now.

[5w00p]

http://www.ny.frb.org/newsevents/speeches/2015/mca150508.html

A speech from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York discussing the pitfalls of eliminating cash, which is an idea that's becoming more and more popular among economists (because they want to force negative interest rates). From the speech:

Until there are equally secure electronic means of providing that anonymity, eliminating currency is not warranted.

It already exists.

Thank you, eizh, for the link to the transcription of that speech. I stlll haven't finished reading all of it, but what I have read is very interesting.

You quoted an extremely relevant snippet, and I have read further and found another part that is strikingly relevant to Monero:

It is important to consider whether the move to eliminate currency, or to alter radically how currency works, represents a degradation or an improvement in technology. Should society voluntarily abandon a widely used technology that has enormous benefits and features that are currently irreplaceable, such as the privacy that comes with an untraceable transaction? While some of those features are used by criminals to facilitate socially destructive activities, the vast majority of currency uses are legal and productive. Until there are equally secure electronic means of providing that anonymity, eliminating currency is not warranted.

Wow.    He describes, in reference to paper currency transactions, what Monero allows electronically. FTW

[BlockchainBoss]

it begins.

Das ist nicht Mathematik. Das ist Theologie.

[luigi1111]

no one living in some vanilla jurisdiction and wants to start a xmr dice/casino service?

btw xmr and me are celebrating first wedding day today - not the easiest marriage but you know what people tell about feisty marriages

safedice will be offering the possibility to play/invest xmr "soon". can't give you any eta, since I'm not the one coding.

additionally there is still the question how the cold wallet will be handled or better how to proof the reserves claimed (since there is no viewkey implementation yet). I didnt really like the workaround ccd used, so happy to hear any better ideas.

I already have an idea, but it is not perfect given the jurisdiction I'm located at.

Please note: I'm neither running nor owning the site. I was/am just an early investor who convinced the admin to go down the xmr route.

I have a rough version of viewkey working (by individual output only at the moment). I'm still working out some (a lot) of the finer details.

I thought onemorexmr had a viewkey thing working. It was incredibly slow - he forked it from someone else in #monero-dev.

No idea. I'm not trying to create something that scans the entire blockchain for outputs (that's a job for Simplewallet), rather selectively decodes by output (and soon by TX) on an offline basis, using information from the block explorers for example.

Ok so I can now accept a TX hash, viewkey, and public address and return which, if any, outputs are yours. If shitaifan2013 can pass all (or most) of the holdings in 1 tx, then it's pretty easy to prove that he (or the site) owns them. Otherwise I'd have to have every TX that's his and a bit of code to do it.

Edit: it's still not ideal of course, because he could later spend those outputs.

[ifyousmell]

Hi, I am new to Monero, but where can I download the wallet for Mac?
It seems Monero itself is complicated?

P.S: I am not a technical guy