[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[wpalczynski]

ShapeShift.io has released the first-ever cryptocurrency exchange app for iPhone. Buy or sell Monero instantly and on-the-go with the ShapeShift App.

Download the app: http://apple.co/1FU6Njm

Learn about the app in this Forbes article: http://onforb.es/1dtZqVX

NOTE: ShapeShift will be adding their Android app soon. Stay tuned!

No thanks. I will wait for the Android app.

IOS is a DRM infested walled garden contolled by a centralized authority, Apple, that co-operates closely not only with the NSA but with many security agencies around the world. The design of IOS goes against all three pillars of Monero,  privacy, decentralization and scalability.  https://forum.getmonero.org/1/news-announcements-and-editorials/183/editorial-the-three-pillars-of-monero.

Apple is pretty bad.  They were one of the first collaborators with all this spying nonsense which has recently officially come to light.

[jwinterm]

anyway, what is so great about monero?
monero might be anoymous than bitcoin but bitcoin with a litte mixing is already anoymous enought

there is no need for another coin

the blackmaket will never adopt monero, because bitcoin has value and monero does not

You still here?

I've arrived at the conclusion that senorkavasaki is reverse-trolling. Every good anything needs some troll(s), and lately the Monero threads have been somewhat devoid of trolling - no Blockafett, no BitcoinEXpress, etc. I'm pretty sure he used to be a supporter, so I think kavasaki is just doing his part by fulfilling (what he feels is) the necessary role of community troll that is a vital part of any thriving cryptocurrency community.

[traderman]

Monero Technical Analysis: http://themerkle.com/speculation/monero-technical-analysis-for-6092015/

[generalizethis]

Monero Technical Analysis: Whale ate, whale shat--bad whale

FTFY

[pa]

Apple is pretty bad.  They were one of the first collaborators with all this spying nonsense which has recently officially come to light.

I thought Apple resisted longer than most of the others: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/15/nsa-covert-surveillance-trap

[numismatist]

Apple is pretty bad.  They were one of the first collaborators with all this spying nonsense which has recently officially come to light.

I thought Apple resisted longer than most of the others: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/15/nsa-covert-surveillance-trap

Negative affirmation, they invented the I-spy-on-you-phone and literally hit the ceiling fan once adding a fingerprint authentication on a ... telephone?! Why wasn't voice recognition not enough? What's wrong with you Apple, you have done better in the past.

They "resisted" not a split second, instead even pulled "your tax money at work" into these nonsense expenditures. Surveillance costs a lot of money, just take a look at the misery of the late soviet republic.

[ArticMine]

Apple is pretty bad.  They were one of the first collaborators with all this spying nonsense which has recently officially come to light.

I thought Apple resisted longer than most of the others: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/15/nsa-covert-surveillance-trap

Actually Microsoft was the first PRISM data provider. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg The problems with Apple go far deeper than the NSA and are rooted in the IOS business model that was started with the iPhone. What makes this so abhorrent is that Apple uses DRM to only allow applications from their own store to run on IOS devices. This turns the App Store into the perfect tool for censorship and surveillance in effect turning IOS devices into Portable Orwellian Telescreens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen. This form of censorship was applied to censor Bitcoin until last year and is currently used to censor Bitcoin, Monero and every other cryptocurrency in certain markets for example China. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085047.msg11571471#msg11571471. In addition to this Apple simply has extremely poor security as was evidenced by the nude selfie incident, failing the most basic concepts such as not allowing automated mass logins to run brute force attacks on a password.

What I fail to understand is how people can trust Apple or Microsoft and not trust the state. This makes no sense to me at all.

Edit: I should point out that if I was given the contract by the Ministry of Love to deploy the Telescreens in George Orwell's 1984, I would use Windows 8.1 RT devices over IOS devices because Apple's poor security makes jailbreaking IOS possible.

[snarlpill]

Hey everybody, I have limited knowledge about Monero but I've been wanting to add just a few XMR coins to my modest holdings for a while now to hopefully appreciate over time with some kind of stability. Tonight I just bought 50 XMR on Poloniex for a total of 0.108 BTC which didn't seem like a bad price after looking at past charts on there. Do you think this was a decent price?

And, my main question- Are there any secure and proven Monero address generators and paper wallet sites like bitaddress.org is for Bitcoin? I'm wanting to just make a secure paper wallet or 2, send all 50 XMR to those paper wallets and stash them away from my house but in a safe location to just forget about basically and check on the XMR price 6 months, 1 year, 2 years+ from now and hopefully see some gains. And do you, personally, think the XMR price is stable enough to just buy a bunch and sit on them for a year or 2 and not have any huge losses? I never feel comfortable holding Any altcoins for long periods of time without checking on them regularly.

[elrippo]

Apple is pretty bad.  They were one of the first collaborators with all this spying nonsense which has recently officially come to light.

I thought Apple resisted longer than most of the others: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/15/nsa-covert-surveillance-trap

Actually Microsoft was the first PRISM data provider. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg The problems with Apple go far deeper than the NSA and are rooted in the IOS business model that was started with the iPhone. What makes this so abhorrent is that Apple uses DRM to only allow applications from their own store to run on IOS devices. This turns the App Store into the perfect tool for censorship and surveillance in effect turning IOS devices into Portable Orwellian Telescreens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen. This form of censorship was applied to censor Bitcoin until last year and is currently used to censor Bitcoin, Monero and every other cryptocurrency in certain markets for example China. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085047.msg11571471#msg11571471. In addition to this Apple simply has extremely poor security as was evidenced by the nude selfie incident, failing the most basic concepts such as not allowing automated mass logins to run brute force attacks on a password.

What I fail to understand is how people can trust Apple or Microsoft and not trust the state. This makes no sense to me at all.

Edit: I should point out that if I was given the contract by the Ministry of Love to deploy the Telescreens in George Orwell's 1984, I would use Windows 8.1 RT devices over IOS devices because Apple's poor security makes jailbreaking IOS possible.

I suppose, this rootes in three sufficient factors in our modern society

• 1

The Massmedia and it´s commercials suggest you to use MS and Apple to stay on top of technology and, maybe the far greater factor here, the use of Apple products inherents a higher social status then the use of for example Android devices, which is questionable.

• 2

For the understanding of security you have to know the risks and downsides of technology, geeky people seem to be better advised. Most people know how to turn on a PC, but few are familiar with the command line operations. Again the Massmedia and our modern educational system does not build the consciousness to question a system, it rather tells you what you have to use and what you have to believe.

• 3

Nobody is able to question the legislative and their praxis, also "secret" proceedings tend to give little to none information behind from the scenes. Also the Massmedia is advised to keep the citizens "informed" what certain entities want you to know.
You have to use alternative channels to get your information, and suprise suprise, these are not brought to you by the Massmedia.
[/list]

So in my personal limited opinion this all is related to disinformation and the use of tools which are not worth to be mentioned as a tool.
For example in my EDP education we where endorsed to use Linux, i learned pascal and turbo pascal, a bit C and others, and nobody told me i have to use MS, beacuse it is the only wide spread and running system, which is not true.
This question is the same as the commercial and wide spread use of BTC, Monero and so on. If you look in the Massmedia, bitcoin and it´s affiliates died about 176 Times until now, so cryptocurrency and Linux will always stay the tools of rebellion and a minority  

To get back to Apple: It is an US based company, so it has to follow the rules what the military complex establishes. I am not a friend of proprietary Software, and this has been the far better choice on the long term. If the strategy Apple drives at the moment speaking is house made or forced is worth an other discussion.
Regarding MS it is pretty easy to give you the awnser -> http://members.tripod.com/diogenes_maclugh/BGIlluminati.html
http://www.illuminati-news.com/070906b.htm

[sleepdog]

So don't use the converter at all? Export, then import?

There's no mention in the utilities' help about batch size or chunk size...
...

EDIT : Now trying blockchain_export.

try

Code:

--batch-size 1000

when using the converter

attention: new database will allocate 16gb space, make sure you have that free too

Thanks, but I'd already started blockchain_export. That ran fine and now blockchain_import is running. And has been for 11 hours, currently on block 184500 out of 600442.

Should be done by lunchtime tomorrow... 

If it breaks I'll try what you suggested.

[florida.haunted]

Hello friends!

I see many people are testing blockchain converter with various batch size, typically 1000-2000.

From the other hand, I have not seen Fluffypony for a quite long time neither here nor at http://getmonero.org/home.

Dear core devs! Can you post pinned instructions for us to test new blockchain converter? And please explain in few words, what's happen in develop process. Is there any progress?

[smooth]

Hello friends!

I see many people are testing blockchain converter with various batch size, typically 1000-2000.

From the other hand, I have not seen Fluffypony for a quite long time neither here nor at http://getmonero.org/home.

Dear core devs! Can you post pinned instructions for us to test new blockchain converter? And please explain in few words, what's happen in develop process. Is there any progress?

The lower batch size is needed on Windows. The default higher batch size works fine on Linux.

fluffypony was traveling in Europe for a month, including a bunch of Monero meetups, but his trip is over and he's been more reachable recently (but I would guess had a lot to catch up on at home too). I saw him on #monero-dev (IRC) within the past 24 hours or so.

[florida.haunted]

Hello friends!

I see many people are testing blockchain converter with various batch size, typically 1000-2000.

From the other hand, I have not seen Fluffypony for a quite long time neither here nor at http://getmonero.org/home.

Dear core devs! Can you post pinned instructions for us to test new blockchain converter? And please explain in few words, what's happen in develop process. Is there any progress?

The lower batch size is needed on Windows. The default higher batch size works fine on Linux.

fluffypony was traveling in Europe for a month, including a bunch of Monero meetups, but his trip is over and he's been more reachable recently (but I would guess had a lot to catch up on at home too). I saw him on #monero-dev (IRC) within the past 24 hours or so.

Good news, I hope he will publish testing instructions for us and will say some words about developing soon.

[GingerAle]

Hello friends!

I see many people are testing blockchain converter with various batch size, typically 1000-2000.

From the other hand, I have not seen Fluffypony for a quite long time neither here nor at http://getmonero.org/home.

Dear core devs! Can you post pinned instructions for us to test new blockchain converter? And please explain in few words, what's happen in develop process. Is there any progress?

The lower batch size is needed on Windows. The default higher batch size works fine on Linux.

fluffypony was traveling in Europe for a month, including a bunch of Monero meetups, but his trip is over and he's been more reachable recently (but I would guess had a lot to catch up on at home too). I saw him on #monero-dev (IRC) within the past 24 hours or so.

Good news, I hope he will publish testing instructions for us and will say some words about developing soon.

Most testing instructions are in the readme.

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/tree/master/src/blockchain_utilities
beyond those instructions, the community has been finding out what works best in various platforms - i.e., batch sizes, etc.

He does more than say some words about developing - he develops, even on his magical mystery tour:
see: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master

In the above link, you can see all of the commits pulled into the main source code. There has been a flurry of activity in the past month.

[Alpinist]

Is Dev pool v1 working now?

 

[sleepdog]

blockchain_import has failed:

Code:

2015-Jun-10 14:54:31.756351 loading block height 237000
2015-Jun-10 14:59:16.278625 loading block height 238000
2015-Jun-10 15:03:49.319242 loading block height 239000
2015-Jun-10 15:08:00.377602 loading block height 240000

[- batch commit at height 240000 -]

2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.287259 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.361263 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.386265 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.389265 Failed to add block to blockchain, verification fail
ed, height = 240001
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.393265 skipping rest of import file
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.395265 Finished at height: 240001  block: 240000


C:\Users\Public\Monero>

This looks to me to be in the same place in the blockchain as blockchain_converter crashes. The blockchain.bin was freshly downloaded this time, but originally I was using my own blockchain.bin.

Is it worth trying again with different batch sizes?
"Transaction does not exist" doesn't really sound to me like an error caused by using the wrong batch size.

[GingerAle]

blockchain_import has failed:

Code:

2015-Jun-10 14:54:31.756351 loading block height 237000
2015-Jun-10 14:59:16.278625 loading block height 238000
2015-Jun-10 15:03:49.319242 loading block height 239000
2015-Jun-10 15:08:00.377602 loading block height 240000

[- batch commit at height 240000 -]

2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.287259 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.361263 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.386265 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.389265 Failed to add block to blockchain, verification fail
ed, height = 240001
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.393265 skipping rest of import file
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.395265 Finished at height: 240001  block: 240000


C:\Users\Public\Monero>

This looks to me to be in the same place in the blockchain as blockchain_converter crashes. The blockchain.bin was freshly downloaded this time, but originally I was using my own blockchain.bin.

Is it worth trying again with different batch sizes?
"Transaction does not exist" doesn't really sound to me like an error caused by using the wrong batch size.

More info would be helpful.

OS?
Free space on HD?
Source of code? (did u compile head, or some other commit?)
System RAM?

as far as I understand the "not found in db", thats normal behavior indicating that the transaction is not in the database, so it should be added to the database. From the way this thing behaves, I think the blockchain import (and converter for that matter) functions as a virtual node, and that the old blockchain is also a virtual node. So essentially, your new blockchain is syncing from an old blockchain - its just that the two of them are files sitting on the same hard drive. Its not like a file conversion, per se - you're actually building the blockchain from scratch, so the "not found in database" is simply the new blockchain going "hey, this isn't in the database, we should add it" as it "syncs" from the old blockchain. I could be wrong though.

[sleepdog]

blockchain_import has failed:

Code:

[- batch commit at height 240000 -]

2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.287259 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.361263 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.386265 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.389265 Failed to add block to blockchain, verification fail
ed, height = 240001
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.393265 skipping rest of import file
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.395265 Finished at height: 240001  block: 240000

More info would be helpful.

OS?
Free space on HD?
Source of code? (did u compile head, or some other commit?)
System RAM?

as far as I understand the "not found in db", thats normal behavior indicating that the transaction is not in the database, so it should be added to the database. From the way this thing behaves, I think the blockchain import (and converter for that matter) functions as a virtual node, and that the old blockchain is also a virtual node. So essentially, your new blockchain is syncing from an old blockchain - its just that the two of them are files sitting on the same hard drive. Its not like a file conversion, per se - you're actually building the blockchain from scratch, so the "not found in database" is simply the new blockchain going "hey, this isn't in the database, we should add it" as it "syncs" from the old blockchain. I could be wrong though.

Windows 7
~300GB
The code is yours, downloaded from https://mega.co.nz/#!5YNACDTJ!N0pIow27_Tfsx4dMfMq4HA11ZSlEt7L135HvYEOuBU8
6GB RAM

I'm trying the converter again now with batch size 10000, just for the hell of it.

Maybe somebody could just upload the lmdb file...?

[dnaleor]

Does somebody likes to play agar.io from time to time?
I had a nice advertisement up for about 20 minutes

[GingerAle]

blockchain_import has failed:

Code:

[- batch commit at height 240000 -]

2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.287259 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.361263 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.386265 Transaction does not exist: tx with hash 530dcf67fad
acf8dcc05b6d7314b1c181362c2af43842eecb22fb9d9587706de not found in db
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.389265 Failed to add block to blockchain, verification fail
ed, height = 240001
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.393265 skipping rest of import file
2015-Jun-10 15:09:39.395265 Finished at height: 240001  block: 240000

More info would be helpful.

OS?
Free space on HD?
Source of code? (did u compile head, or some other commit?)
System RAM?

as far as I understand the "not found in db", thats normal behavior indicating that the transaction is not in the database, so it should be added to the database. From the way this thing behaves, I think the blockchain import (and converter for that matter) functions as a virtual node, and that the old blockchain is also a virtual node. So essentially, your new blockchain is syncing from an old blockchain - its just that the two of them are files sitting on the same hard drive. Its not like a file conversion, per se - you're actually building the blockchain from scratch, so the "not found in database" is simply the new blockchain going "hey, this isn't in the database, we should add it" as it "syncs" from the old blockchain. I could be wrong though.

Windows 7
~300GB
The code is yours, downloaded from https://mega.co.nz/#!5YNACDTJ!N0pIow27_Tfsx4dMfMq4HA11ZSlEt7L135HvYEOuBU8
6GB RAM

I'm trying the converter again now with batch size 10000, just for the hell of it.

Maybe somebody could just upload the lmdb file...?

yeah, I took down that binary, because some of the newer commits address some issues that I thought were important. If you end up getting to run, keep an eye on it. Alternatively you can compile in windows... i will make a video soon about how to do that. I put something on reddit... just youtube my gingeropolous name. I need to redo the video though, the command should be make release-static-64, as per the instructions on github. Damn things changing all the time up in here!