[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[DaveyJones]

OpenBazaar Receives $1 Million in Funding from Andreessen Horowitz and Others
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39fud6/openbazaar_receives_1_million_in_funding_from/
Awesome news!! We should donate moar xmr to our friend Atrides, hes working hard on Freebazaar - Openbazaar fork /s
https://github.com/freebazaar?tab=activity

Yeah, OpenFreebazaar appears to be a scam at this point (whether originally intended to be or not).

You mean FreeBazaar?
I doubt OpenBazaar is a scam, with it having just received 1 million dollars.
http://m.UploadEdit.com/ba3d/1434043401417.gif

Oopsie!

Is there someone to replace Atrides ?

Or did someone contact him ?

[superresistant]

Is there someone to replace Atrides ?

Or did someone contact him ?

It all start here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg9994963#msg9994963

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg11010522#msg11010522
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg11011055#msg11011055
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg11011271#msg11011271

re: freebazaar, this point is so old its getting old. Those that donated get private updates. Also, during the fundraising, there was no cheerleading from the core dev team. I remember being excited about it. I don't have the time to fish and find the posts (maybe Dr. Bookmarks will have them handy). Is it not happening as swiftly as people would like? Probably. But yah know what else has the same problem? Everything in the world thats worth a damn.

Could someone involved in the project (donator) and in the know provide any kind of update on Freebazaar?

No one has mentioned anything at all about it publicly.  If donators have been asked to keep quiet about progress thats fine but please let us know that is the case.

I checked and nowhere Atrides asked to keep this private, so here you are:

Code:

== Wed, Jan 14 ==

Atrides: So here short squeeze of thoughts about payments within FreeBazaar to discuss: 
Payments: 1) Direct Payments 2) Payment via Escrow 
Escrow: Free multiple choice of options, determined per-transaction: 
- simple BTC/XMR escrow (for XMR without miltisig) 
- To reduce exchange rate risk USD-stabilized escrow (with convert on exchanges/Nubits/BitUSD/use Bitreserve. That will be explained by Escrow-service. Payments in any currency(BTC/USD) for both seller and buyer.


== Thu, Jan 15 ==
Atrides: I take some time to learn the code and set steps priorities for actual to do. I will inform you next days


== Wed, Jan 21 ==
binaryFate: How is it going? Once you get more familiar with the code base, can you give us a general estimate of the time needed for each further step?
Atrides: Hi guys, I'll offer details this weekend


== Tue, Jan 27 ==
Atrides: Hi guys, I have readed docs and code. 
So see one problem - core team of OpenBazaar works very slow. Last commit in dev-repo was two weeks ago. A lot of pull requests with ready code are pinding since october...bad. So I think our commits will be delayed for a long time. Without integration into OpenBazaar we can make it quicker, but within we have already prepared publicity, recognition.


== Wed, Jan 28 ==
binaryFate: I guess you can just work on a branch and keep going even if they don't merge changes back quickly


== Thu, Feb 5 ==
binaryFate: Is anything happening? Are you working on it or not at the moment?


== Sat, Feb 7 ==
Atrides: Hi, yes, I'm working. sadly I cannot work full time because I have collected less, so I must take other projects too


== Sun, Feb 15 ==
Atrides: I'm mostly working on some projects at the same time. bazaar is very important to me, but at the moment is not a priority. I promized to finished, and I will do that, sorry I cann't say on what days exactly I can work. last two weeks I was extremly busy, with no chance to do something else. Your money are not moved from my wallet I didn't sell them and won't do this till monero will rise many times because of bazaar. Next days I push some of commits to github what already done.


== Tue, Feb 17 ==
Atrides: First initial commit, added monero as alternative coin, other commits during this week after tests

    
== Tue, Mar 3 ==
REDACTED: How is progress? Any new commits?
Atrides: Yes, two days ago, some commits. This week I'll do the rest.


== Wed, Mar 11 ==
Atrides: I have asked developers of OpenBazaar that our patches may be implemented. In original OB Bitcoin is hardcoded overall.


== Wed, Mar 18 ==
Atrides: Hm...still no answer from Devs
Atrides: I pushed new commit. Communications with local monero Wallet and directly payment


== Sun, Mar 29 ==
Atrides: Good(?) news from dev of OpenBazaar, they can implement other coins if external dev make patches.


== Tue, Apr 7 ==
binaryFate: 
1) What is the state of the Monero freebazar branch? Is it fully functional? If not, what is missing and what is the ETA for it? 
2) Why not release the Monero freebazar code even if it's not merged mainstream by official openbazaar devs? If it's working let's release it, merge can come later. 

https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar/commits/develop
Last commit from git on May 6, 2015

[sleepdog]

Ah, 1000 was it? Might as well give it a shot. Predictably it crashed again in the same place with size 10000..

yes, give it a try, it worked very well for me, but first i had all the same problems like you have now.

It completed conversion successfully! Now to try running the daemon...

EDIT : It's running, after telling it where to find the database with --data-dir. Putting up loads of this stuff:

Code:

2015-Jun-12 10:50:24.192742 [P2P3][23.100.86.126:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GE
T_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Jun-12 10:50:26.497745 [P2P0][23.250.10.250:34472 INC]Sync data returned un
known top block: 600452 -> 604620 [4168 blocks (2 days) behind]
SYNCHRONIZATION started
2015-Jun-12 10:50:27.612747 [P2P8][217.211.131.248:41865 INC]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_
GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Jun-12 10:50:31.018752 [P2P9][95.154.131.53:51266 INC]Sync data returned un
known top block: 600455 -> 604620 [4165 blocks (2 days) behind]
SYNCHRONIZATION started
2015-Jun-12 10:50:32.258753 [P2P7][98.122.154.168:35922 INC]Sync data returned u
nknown top block: 600456 -> 604620 [4164 blocks (2 days) behind]
SYNCHRONIZATION started

Seems to be working ok though.

[luigi1111]

Hey guys, I was asking about making Paper Wallets for Monero a page or so back. I only have like 50 Monero coins, which I know is not much, but I want to stash them away safely and just try and forget about them until I check back in on what they're worth in the future. Don't want to be tempted to spend/sell them if I need some BTC for a purchase.

A few people pointed out MyMonero.com as a good web wallet. In your opinion, can the site be trusted to hold my Monero funds securely for a while? And is that the user fluffypony's project?

You should never trust any web wallet regardless of who is developing it. Just like you should never trust any exchanges with your funds. The largest theft of coins originated from compromised online web wallets (blockchain.info), exchanges (Gox/Mintpal) and marketplaces (countless). Trust yourself and your own system and never take advice from anywhere who says otherwise.

The biggest problem with XMR paper wallets right now is the lack of an easy way to use the view key to verify a balance.

For example if someone sends XMR to your cold wallet how can you verify that transfer? You cant unless you run the daemon and turn the "cold wallet" into a hot wallet.

Finding a way to make the view key function work for users should be a top priority. Until then cold wallets are only good if YOU are the one who send the XMR to the cold wallet (from a hot wallet under your control).

If I am wrong and there is a way to use the view key to verify payments send to a cold storage address please correct me.

Can't correct ya, newb, 'cuz you're right.

If you're really sending to a cold cold wallet and have a tx ID (and your viewkey), you can PM me to use a webpage that can verify this stuff (all client-side, obviously).

Edit: and Mooo is doing good work on the wallet as well of course.

[luigi1111]

I don't remember who stated it above, but I do agree that the lack of exchange/merchant adoption might have something to do with the hassle of depending on users to include payment IDs.

Pay ID serialisation into the receiving address looks pretty far down on the roadmap. In the meantime, is there a reason why Payment IDs can't simply be appended to the address and parsed automatically by the client? That would make it much easier for third parties to manage payments until "stealth" payment IDs eventually get implemented.

No checksum is one reason why this will potentially backfire. That and the payment ID space is unnecessarily huge.

I'll take a look at my notes from the MRL meetup in November last year, we had some ideas about fixing the payment ID format and serialising it, there may be a quick win to be had whilst we chip away at the stealth payment IDs.

I disagree that we need to do nothing while we work on something better (obviously one does not preclude the other at all).

There is no checksum now. The length and valid characters are checked but that's it. The exact same thing can still be checked if the format is changed, slightly to something like

Code:

Send to this address: 46BeWrHpwXmHDpDEUmZBWZfoQpdc6HaERCNmx1pEYL2rAcuwufPN9rXHHtyUA4QVy66qeFQkn6sfK8aHYjA3jk3o1Bv16em-e981847d2b9e1860d56bcb2263864db976d52e88c9c97db5e734d204f06bedac

Instead of

Code:

Send to this address: 46BeWrHpwXmHDpDEUmZBWZfoQpdc6HaERCNmx1pEYL2rAcuwufPN9rXHHtyUA4QVy66qeFQkn6sfK8aHYjA3jk3o1Bv16em

and use this payment ID

e981847d2b9e1860d56bcb2263864db976d52e88c9c97db5e734d204f06bedac

Adding the payment ID with checksum seems fairly simple. I went and created a test address just now:

Code:

Standard Address: 44sKiMHpNjRivdd2NQUyViGYZy4wbJ9L9KhFUaqSSE6JQP9LLbxL9tSikwrhYTRu3x2zKR28txuEc3zSGPduQ9byMUKoz6m
Payment ID: feedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeed

Code:

Integrated Address: 44sKiMHpNjRivdd2NQUyViGYZy4wbJ9L9KhFUaqSSE6JQP9LLbxL9tSikwrhYTRu3x2zKR28txuEc3zSGPduQ9byXSb563RKvyBgorjsFGwyx9gorjsFGwyx9gorjsFGwyx9TpPbbCy

What I did:

Instead of the standard hex format - ('12' network byte) + (public spend key 64 digits) + (public view key 64 digits) + (checksum 8 digits) - I stripped the checksum and appended the payment ID, then recalculated and appended the new checksum. This creates a 101 byte address instead of the standard 69 byte, and 139 "Public Address" characters vs 95 standard.

cnBase58 --> hex the above "Integrated Address" and you get (separated for clarity):

Code:

12 55a1e49673f5a8faa6ba4f942585695ceee5c7522496be6fc38d3f09905e3f8b ca6313deac11aff9a7241e7095863b0be3099d50d7a0cd11e0adbcf4990e64b5 feedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeed b1d0950e

The code just needs to check for length to determine the type. Alternatively, (I don't know what all the other cryptonotes are using) the network byte could be changed to 0x13 (done) or something for the "Integrated Address".

https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/bitmonero/tree/integrated-address

[sleepdog]

The code is yours, downloaded from https://mega.co.nz/#!5YNACDTJ!N0pIow27_Tfsx4dMfMq4HA11ZSlEt7L135HvYEOuBU8

yeah, I took down that binary, because some of the newer commits address some issues that I thought were important. If you end up getting to run, keep an eye on it.

I got it working, but there's a slow memory leak (I think that's what you call it anyway, I'm no programmer).
After running for an hour or so there was 1.5GB more memory being used as shown by taskmanager, even though the daemon itself was being shown as only using ~60MB. The memory usage drops down to the previous level as soon as the daemon is stopped.

I realise it's an outdated version, but thought you might like the info anyway.

[medusa13]

The code is yours, downloaded from https://mega.co.nz/#!5YNACDTJ!N0pIow27_Tfsx4dMfMq4HA11ZSlEt7L135HvYEOuBU8

yeah, I took down that binary, because some of the newer commits address some issues that I thought were important. If you end up getting to run, keep an eye on it.

I got it working, but there's a slow memory leak (I think that's what you call it anyway, I'm no programmer).
After running for an hour or so there was 1.5GB more memory being used as shown by taskmanager, even though the daemon itself was being shown as only using ~60MB. The memory usage drops down to the previous level as soon as the daemon is stopped.

I realise it's an outdated version, but thought you might like the info anyway.

good to hear it worked. you should try to compile yourself, its really not that complicated

[binaryFate]

The current state of affairs with Atrides' OpenBazaar community-funded project.

I am one of the donator to Atrides, who proposed to integrate Monero into OpenBazaar a while back:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg9994963#msg9994963

Being now pretty disapointed with how things well, I want to post about it publicly, and ask for a partial refund of the donations I gave.
Here is a (redacted for names only) transcript of the private group of donators, where he was supposed to let us know what was going on.

Code:

== Wed, Jan 14 ==

Atrides: So here short squeeze of thoughts about payments within FreeBazaar to discuss: 
Payments: 1) Direct Payments 2) Payment via Escrow 
Escrow: Free multiple choice of options, determined per-transaction: 
- simple BTC/XMR escrow (for XMR without miltisig) 
- To reduce exchange rate risk USD-stabilized escrow (with convert on exchanges/Nubits/BitUSD/use Bitreserve. That will be explained by Escrow-service. Payments in any currency(BTC/USD) for both seller and buyer.


== Thu, Jan 15 ==
Atrides: I take some time to learn the code and set steps priorities for actual to do. I will inform you next days


== Wed, Jan 21 ==
binaryFate: How is it going? Once you get more familiar with the code base, can you give us a general estimate of the time needed for each further step?
Atrides: Hi guys, I'll offer details this weekend


== Tue, Jan 27 ==
Atrides: Hi guys, I have readed docs and code. 
So see one problem - core team of OpenBazaar works very slow. Last commit in dev-repo was two weeks ago. A lot of pull requests with ready code are pinding since october...bad. So I think our commits will be delayed for a long time. Without integration into OpenBazaar we can make it quicker, but within we have already prepared publicity, recognition.


== Wed, Jan 28 ==
binaryFate: I guess you can just work on a branch and keep going even if they don't merge changes back quickly


== Thu, Feb 5 ==
binaryFate: Is anything happening? Are you working on it or not at the moment?


== Sat, Feb 7 ==
Atrides: Hi, yes, I'm working. sadly I cannot work full time because I have collected less, so I must take other projects too


== Sun, Feb 15 ==
Atrides: I'm mostly working on some projects at the same time. bazaar is very important to me, but at the moment is not a priority. I promized to finished, and I will do that, sorry I cann't say on what days exactly I can work. last two weeks I was extremly busy, with no chance to do something else. Your money are not moved from my wallet I didn't sell them and won't do this till monero will rise many times because of bazaar. Next days I push some of commits to github what already done.


== Tue, Feb 17 ==
Atrides: First initial commit, added monero as alternative coin, other commits during this week after tests

    
== Tue, Mar 3 ==
REDACTED: How is progress? Any new commits?
Atrides: Yes, two days ago, some commits. This week I'll do the rest.


== Wed, Mar 11 ==
Atrides: I have asked developers of OpenBazaar that our patches may be implemented. In original OB Bitcoin is hardcoded overall.


== Wed, Mar 18 ==
Atrides: Hm...still no answer from Devs
Atrides: I pushed new commit. Communications with local monero Wallet and directly payment


== Sun, Mar 29 ==
Atrides: Good(?) news from dev of OpenBazaar, they can implement other coins if external dev make patches.


== Tue, Apr 7 ==
binaryFate: 
1) What is the state of the Monero freebazar branch? Is it fully functional? If not, what is missing and what is the ETA for it? 
2) Why not release the Monero freebazar code even if it's not merged mainstream by official openbazaar devs? If it's working let's release it, merge can come later. 

== Wed, Apr 8 ==
Atrides: 
1) Not fully functional because of problems in OB code and development of OB is very slooow. Also I will publish the full report of the state and problems, and ask which way we should go. 
2) Hm, I have official repository with all my commits: https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar I push commits only for good code, the development version on my dev-pc is unusable. Next days I'll push new commits. 

== Thu, Apr 9 ==
binaryFate: You should give a public detailed update on (i) what was done and (ii) what are the 'problems in OB code' you mention. 
I advise you to do it very soon, because many people are starting to question the way this little project is going as compared with the donations received.

Atrides: Yes, I plan to release next week the big report, after my last commit. The report needs some time, I want to describe problems, done work and future ways.
Currently don't have time to read the forum.

binaryFate: Great, looking forward to the report.

== Mon, Apr 13 ==
binaryFate: Next week I'll meet Dionysis, one of the core dev of OpenBazaar, in real life. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help integration when meeting him.
In two weeks actually, got confused.

Atrides: Really great news! I'll try to finish the my part of work, if it will be possible to integrate, that's great. Currently OB is very hardcoded for BTC only.

== Sat, Apr 25 ==
Atrides: OB is now beta4, I must merge FreeBazaar and new version.
I have merged OpenBazaar Beta4 and fixed conflicts

== Wed, May 6 ==
REDACTED: Nice to see your progress. Thanks for posting updates.

As you can see from the transcript of the "conversation", Atrides claimed to be significantly in touch with openbazaar people. (That is partly what he got the donations for, coding and interacting with them towards integration).

End of April, I met Dionysis Zindros, one of the lead developers of OpenBazaar. He didn't know about Atrides; he didn't know about Monero alltogether.

The actual work that was done does not justify the donations received at all. I know that getting familiar with a foreign code base takes time, but still. I did my best to give him a chance, and on behalf of the community to push him gently to move forward. The lack of activity since a month, the latest promise to come back to the community "next week" which was two months ago... I have no patience left.
Atrides, I publickly ask you to refund me half of the donations I gave, in which case things will be all good for me (you did a bit of work). Otherwise I will consider that you are dishonest.

You can send half of the XMR I donated to this address.

Code:

45D2ipTSwN9cNijro1kpw5SwQZmVxFinZdNNcPVpvrgfWvbm4xVmhNfbwy5VcisRkMj2cB4K8jGsjE5zRTcQ53mNJn81tbf

You can also send it to the core team donation address, if they confirm reception, that will be fine for me.

[Atrides]

Github is open https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar/

Regarding OpenBazaar, I spoked with Sam Patterson <sam@openbazaar.org>

Please have a patience, OpenBazaar was half-dead from summer up to last month, even with more donations. (I got only 2.3k$ for the whole implementation)

Now, after OpenBazaar get 1M$, FreeBazaar get more meaning. And developing progress is still continue, I implement all patches from OB and fit they with FB-changes.

I don't stop to make the project.

What done up to date:
- XMR integration
- Payments with payment_id
- fixes of some bugs in OB
- communication with Monero daemon.

What To-Do:
- delete escrow from process
- work with OB-dev team to integrate XMR into main project, if possible convince to make the code BTC-independence (currently BTC is very hardcoded)

[Johnny Mnemonic]

Adding the payment ID with checksum seems fairly simple. I went and created a test address just now:

Code:

Standard Address: 44sKiMHpNjRivdd2NQUyViGYZy4wbJ9L9KhFUaqSSE6JQP9LLbxL9tSikwrhYTRu3x2zKR28txuEc3zSGPduQ9byMUKoz6m
Payment ID: feedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeed

Code:

Integrated Address: 44sKiMHpNjRivdd2NQUyViGYZy4wbJ9L9KhFUaqSSE6JQP9LLbxL9tSikwrhYTRu3x2zKR28txuEc3zSGPduQ9byXSb563RKvyBgorjsFGwyx9gorjsFGwyx9gorjsFGwyx9TpPbbCy

What I did:

Instead of the standard hex format - ('12' network byte) + (public spend key 64 digits) + (public view key 64 digits) + (checksum 8 digits) - I stripped the checksum and appended the payment ID, then recalculated and appended the new checksum. This creates a 101 byte address instead of the standard 69 byte, and 139 "Public Address" characters vs 95 standard.

cnBase58 --> hex the above "Integrated Address" and you get (separated for clarity):

Code:

12 55a1e49673f5a8faa6ba4f942585695ceee5c7522496be6fc38d3f09905e3f8b ca6313deac11aff9a7241e7095863b0be3099d50d7a0cd11e0adbcf4990e64b5 feedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeedfeed b1d0950e

The code just needs to check for length to determine the type. Alternatively, (I don't know what all the other cryptonotes are using) the network byte could be changed to 0x13 (done) or something for the "Integrated Address".

https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/bitmonero/tree/integrated-address

Thank you! Can both of you PM me your XMR addresses?

[DaveyJones]

Github is open https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar/

Regarding OpenBazaar, I spoked with Sam Patterson <sam@openbazaar.org>

Please have a patience, OpenBazaar was half-dead from summer up to last month, even with more donations. (I got only 2.3k$ for the whole implementation)

Now, after OpenBazaar get 1M$, FreeBazaar get more meaning. And developing progress is still continue, I implement all patches from OB and fit they with FB-changes.

I don't stop to make the project.

What done up to date:
- XMR integration
- Payments with payment_id
- fixes of some bugs in OB
- communication with Monero daemon.

What To-Do:
- delete escrow from process
- work with OB-dev team to integrate XMR into main project, if possible convince to make the code BTC-dependence (currently BTC is very hardcoded)

Patience is not be the problem, i think the people would be fine with a little update here and than, but the way no one heard a thing was suspicious. Or in plain german. "Ab und zu mal was hören lassen".

[superresistant]

Please have a patience, OpenBazaar was half-dead from summer up to last month, even with more donations.

What do you mean half-dead ?

(I got only 2.3k$ for the whole implementation)

So you didn't get enough money ?
This is not how it works, if it wasn't enough for you, you could tell us straight and refuse the job or we could wait to have more.

Patience is not be the problem, i think the people would be fine with a little update here and than, but the way no one heard a thing was suspicious. Or in plain german. "Ab und zu mal was hören lassen".

Exactly. I'm very patient but not naive.
When someone get some money and leave, it is called a scam.
If you don't want people to think it's a scam, you update regularly.
Don't wait for people to make bad scenarios in their mind.
In any project, communication is the key.

[Atrides]

Patience is not be the problem, i think the people would be fine with a little update here and than, but the way no one heard a thing was suspicious. Or in plain german. "Ab und zu mal was hören lassen".

You are right, my mistake was that I have posted only in closed group.
I opened official thread of FreeBazaar for all discussions
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1088354.new#new

[Mhr3io]

buy some monero and use it to buy somethin and specialate on it

[xa4]

I want to write a Dockerfile to run ./bitmonero in a dockercontainer. Which ports or range of ports must be exposed for the monero deamon ?  

EDIT : ok, seems to work with ports 18080 and 18081

[kazuki49]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVm1dMn5Ks

[jwinterm]

Network
 Hash Rate: 10.20 MH/sec

 

All people jumping ship to mine Vertcoin or something? Is there another super profitable GPU coin out there now?

[MadCow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVm1dMn5Ks

very nice work, congratulations!!!

[kazuki49]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVm1dMn5Ks

very nice work, congratulations!!!

It is a very nice and well done presentation by our very own flufflypony!

[generalizethis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVm1dMn5Ks

Great work, Riccardo, best voice in crypto!