[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[dnaleor]

Do we have a light weight SPV wallets for bitmonero so users can use 32-bit clients?

sdp

IIRC, yes
Try LightWallet: http://getmonero.org/getting-started/choose

Be aware that this reduces your anonymity though...

[kazuki49]

dnaleor played some agar.io again today
http://i.gyazo.com/77f072664463e84cb3ccda561e8b0589.png

Good team play on Europe server too.
I "[XMR] Monero" teamed with "[XMR] Monejito" and "EA".
We ate all the damn Doge.

awe. thats our biggest pool

[smooth]

I'm not a f*cking troll! NO troll says shit like "with ALL CN coins we have to trust that large holders do not conspire to de-anon our tx's" or that "The only way to [100%] prevent gov(s)/attacker(s)/whoever(s) buying-in and/or mining in order to de-anon the CN system would be to premine a huge amount and vow to not sell it" (both statements i think r true). I asked decent questions and got good replies. thank you.

So stupid.
The only way to ensure that a decentralized currency retains its privacy feature is to centralize the shit out of it.
Brilliant.

… before somebody else does, right. completely insane.

And I explained to you that it completely doesn't work and makes an attacker's job easier.

Yes it was a reach. Trying to find some way to defend the blatant fraud and obscene greed is a difficult task, so you deserve credit for even trying. Fail though.

[GingerAle]

i give him credit for bringing doughnuts into the thread. Yum .

[smooth]

i give him credit for bringing doughnuts into the thread. Yum .

[mmmaybe]

After being our of the Monero game for awhile, I have started to accumulate for the future again. Also do some trading; too easy money to say no to

[GetDotBit.com]

Hi guys,


Reposting from Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3axapc/androidios_client_side_web_client_coming_soon/
Just wanted to let you know I am the process of expanding upon Riccardo's AngularJS based mymonero.com to include Android and iOS.

I am using firebase, so you will be able to login via email and password, github, facebook, google and more. Seed's will be generated in the same way mymonero.com does, and then hashed with the user's password and stored in Firebase. This way you only have to remember a password, and not the whole seed. Similarly, I will never have access to the actual seed or private keys.

I will be using Ionic and cordova/phonegap to build out the android and iOS apps.

The one thing I am still exploring is broadcasting the signed transaction that is done in the client. I don't want to detract from core developer time with this assistance, so if there is any developer who is willing to stand up a server that I can send the signed transactions in JSON, I would appreciate it. Riccardo has already implemented this I believe, but again, I don't want to detract from core developer time.

Thanks guys, and look out for monerowallet.com coming soon!

[Wanderlust]

I'm not a f*cking troll! NO troll says shit like "with ALL CN coins we have to trust that large holders do not conspire to de-anon our tx's" or that "The only way to [100%] prevent gov(s)/attacker(s)/whoever(s) buying-in and/or mining in order to de-anon the CN system would be to premine a huge amount and vow to not sell it" (both statements i think r true). I asked decent questions and got good replies. thank you.

So stupid.
The only way to ensure that a decentralized currency retains its privacy feature is to centralize the shit out of it.
Brilliant.

… before somebody else does, right. completely insane.

And I explained to you that it completely doesn't work and makes an attacker's job easier.

Yes it was a reach. Trying to find some way to defend the blatant fraud and obscene greed is a difficult task, so you deserve credit for even trying. Fail though.

…makes an attacker's job easier BUT ONLY IF the attacker shares info with the major BCN stakeholders or if the attacker is the major BCN stakeholders, correct? agreed very hard to trust this wont happen. But XMR has large stakeholders too. Ultimately there are no guarantees they will not collude or be coerced, and a small amount of "hope" is still required with other CN coins. Obviously there are varying degrees required.

so the 2nd statement is harder to disregard or not?:
"with ALL CN coins we have to trust that large holders do not conspire to de-anon our tx's". this is true, yes?

nb I am keenly aware that this sounds like a lesson in Crypto-Sophistry 101 and am 95% sure this will be my last post re this subject on this thread. thanks for your patience.

[smooth]

I'm not a f*cking troll! NO troll says shit like "with ALL CN coins we have to trust that large holders do not conspire to de-anon our tx's" or that "The only way to [100%] prevent gov(s)/attacker(s)/whoever(s) buying-in and/or mining in order to de-anon the CN system would be to premine a huge amount and vow to not sell it" (both statements i think r true). I asked decent questions and got good replies. thank you.

So stupid.
The only way to ensure that a decentralized currency retains its privacy feature is to centralize the shit out of it.
Brilliant.

… before somebody else does, right. completely insane.

And I explained to you that it completely doesn't work and makes an attacker's job easier.

Yes it was a reach. Trying to find some way to defend the blatant fraud and obscene greed is a difficult task, so you deserve credit for even trying. Fail though.

…makes an attacker's job easier BUT ONLY IF the attacker shares info with the major BCN stakeholders or if the attacker is the major BCN stakeholders, correct?

No. Reread where I already explained it.

[dEBRUYNE]

Hi guys,


Reposting from Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3axapc/androidios_client_side_web_client_coming_soon/
Just wanted to let you know I am the process of expanding upon Riccardo's AngularJS based mymonero.com to include Android and iOS.

I am using firebase, so you will be able to login via email and password, github, facebook, google and more. Seed's will be generated in the same way mymonero.com does, and then hashed with the user's password and stored in Firebase. This way you only have to remember a password, and not the whole seed. Similarly, I will never have access to the actual seed or private keys.

I will be using Ionic and cordova/phonegap to build out the android and iOS apps.

The one thing I am still exploring is broadcasting the signed transaction that is done in the client. I don't want to detract from core developer time with this assistance, so if there is any developer who is willing to stand up a server that I can send the signed transactions in JSON, I would appreciate it. Riccardo has already implemented this I believe, but again, I don't want to detract from core developer time.

Thanks guys, and look out for monerowallet.com coming soon!

Seems like a great idea and I appreciate the effort. However, since you have a newbie account, I would advise to let someone reputable check and vouch for the code when it is finished.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

But XMR has large stakeholders too.

Not compared to BCN. Only one or two XMR holders have more than 2% of the supply. That's nowhere close to 82%.

[elrippo]

But XMR has large stakeholders too.

Not compared to BCN. Only one or two XMR holders have more than 2% of the supply. That's nowhere close to 82%.

Are you shure....
I made a poll how much XMR you own and 6 hit more than 100000. That can also be a million or 2 for early holders  

[smooth]

But XMR has large stakeholders too.

Not compared to BCN. Only one or two XMR holders have more than 2% of the supply. That's nowhere close to 82%.

Are you shure....
I made a poll how much XMR you own and 6 hit more than 100000. That can also be a million or 2 for early holders 

2% of the base supply target would be 360k. 100k isn't even close to that. Maybe you could quibble with the numbers but its just realistically nowhere near 80%. (Of course 80% now is absolutely impossible since only about 40% total has been mined, but even 80% of the 40% is just flat out unrealistic.)

[shitaifan2013]

But XMR has large stakeholders too.

Not compared to BCN. Only one or two XMR holders have more than 2% of the supply. That's nowhere close to 82%.

Are you shure....
I made a poll how much XMR you own and 6 hit more than 100000. That can also be a million or 2 for early holders  

good thing there are no trolls on the internet and people don't tend to lie online...

seriously dude, a poll? you might wanna check the richlist on moneroblocks for a more conclusive answer: http://moneroblocks.eu/richlist  

[Wanderlust]

…makes an attacker's job easier BUT ONLY IF the attacker shares info with the major BCN stakeholders or if the attacker is the major BCN stakeholders, correct?

No. Reread where I already explained it.

Really sorry I've lost it in the thread and still dont get this. Could u pls re-post or PM me? thx

I was also hoping for a response to the 2nd statement:

"with ALL CN coins we have to trust that large holders do not conspire to de-anon our tx's". this is true, yes?

But XMR has large stakeholders too.

Not compared to BCN. Only one or two XMR holders have more than 2% of the supply. That's nowhere close to 82%.

Are you shure....
I made a poll how much XMR you own and 6 hit more than 100000. That can also be a million or 2 for early holders  

2% of the base supply target would be 360k. 100k isn't even close to that. Maybe you could quibble with the numbers but its just realistically nowhere near 80%. (Of course 80% now is absolutely impossible since only about 40% total has been mined, but even 80% of the 40% is just flat out unrealistic.)

sounds good + agree XMR distro much better than BCN but there is no way of knowing and this seems like more educated guesswork.

[dEBRUYNE]

From reddit:

Experimental: another paper wallet which generates addresses compatible with both MyMonero and Simplewallet

http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3auzmn/experimental_another_paper_wallet_which_generates/

PS: NobleSir aka Shen Noether is one of the Monero Research Lab guys -> https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/people

[GingerAle]

Do we have a light weight SPV wallets for bitmonero so users can use 32-bit clients?

sdp

The general feeling I get is that full 32 bit node > SPV wallet, because decentralization. To that end, I understand that core effort is focused on 32 bit database version work.... if you have a 32 bit machine, take it for a spin. Hrm, maybe I'll make a VM this evening and see if it works. Oh bugguh. Then I'll have to find a raw blockchain or convert one. Blargh.

Although this type of effort is a good candidate for parallel development - as is the case with bitcoin, I assume some % of monero users won't bother with running full nodes. Independent of full client type (LMDB vs. in-RAM), SPV network can still extract block headers from blockchain.... what would we need to make this happen? From what I understand of these clients, we would have to extract block headers from the blockchain... some individuals would have to run some type of additional server to feed up these block headers or something...

i wonder how hackable electrum is to monero's end

https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum

I'm guessing possibly not, due to fundamental architecture difference between two systems? (separation of wallet and daemon in monero). Hrm... possibly clash in development pipeline though due to transition from RPC to 0MQ? I know that has something to do with how wallet communicates with daemon. BAH! I don't know enough.

Who wants to try the new forum funding system for this?

[antanst]

The general feeling I get is that full 32 bit node > SPV wallet, because decentralization. To that end, I understand that core effort is focused on 32 bit database version work....

From those (few?) that are stuck with 32-bit pc's and want to use Monero, how many of them would run a full node anyway if they could run an SPV wallet instead? I'm guessing not that many. A 32-bit bitmonerod ain't worth the hassle from my point of view.

[elrippo]

But XMR has large stakeholders too.

Not compared to BCN. Only one or two XMR holders have more than 2% of the supply. That's nowhere close to 82%.

Are you shure....
I made a poll how much XMR you own and 6 hit more than 100000. That can also be a million or 2 for early holders  

good thing there are no trolls on the internet and people don't tend to lie online...

seriously dude, a poll? you might wanna check the richlist on moneroblocks for a more conclusive answer: http://moneroblocks.eu/richlist  

Yeah that´s good, it is an public poll, but you can ask Risto of how much he holds 
Your richlist still states nothing, i told you so last time dude 

…makes an attacker's job easier BUT ONLY IF the attacker shares info with the major BCN stakeholders or if the attacker is the major BCN stakeholders, correct?

No. Reread where I already explained it.

Really sorry I've lost it in the thread and still dont get this. Could u pls re-post or PM me? thx

I was also hoping for a response to the 2nd statement:

"with ALL CN coins we have to trust that large holders do not conspire to de-anon our tx's". this is true, yes?

But XMR has large stakeholders too.

Not compared to BCN. Only one or two XMR holders have more than 2% of the supply. That's nowhere close to 82%.

Are you shure....
I made a poll how much XMR you own and 6 hit more than 100000. That can also be a million or 2 for early holders  

2% of the base supply target would be 360k. 100k isn't even close to that. Maybe you could quibble with the numbers but its just realistically nowhere near 80%. (Of course 80% now is absolutely impossible since only about 40% total has been mined, but even 80% of the 40% is just flat out unrealistic.)

sounds good + agree XMR distro much better than BCN but there is no way of knowing and this seems like more educated guesswork.

Jope, it is, and will be 

[GingerAle]

The general feeling I get is that full 32 bit node > SPV wallet, because decentralization. To that end, I understand that core effort is focused on 32 bit database version work....

From those (few?) that are stuck with 32-bit pc's and want to use Monero, how many of them would run a full node anyway if they could run an SPV wallet instead? I'm guessing not that many. A 32-bit bitmonerod ain't worth the hassle from my point of view.

right, i agree.