[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[medusa13]

Watch-only wallets can now be created from a standard address and a view key (they were previously created by saving a wallet from an existing full wallet in simplewallet). This makes it much easier to use a view key (ie, the Monero core team publishes their standard address and view key).

it's this one no?
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/dc4dbc1cebc51e2567572c33571f943c0e30cc38

i was very confused by the description when i saw it

but one day i will really learn how this all works lol

thanks for all your contributions! love the web wallet too

[TPTB_need_war]

What if you "disappeared" and because of that the other 6 "retire" or "lose interest" and turn over control to "Gavinmike".

Then someone else can fork the repo and take over. If no one cares enough to do that, then it doesn't really matter does it?

If you are asking for some sort of ironclad guarantee of no potential failure modes of an asset with potential million-to-one returns in the event of meaningful success then you don't really understand economics, and I don't think that is the case. I guess you are just pointing out possible failure modes for others, which is fair game.

I was cracking a joke but at the same time saying if the ideological devs could be scared away and replaced by G-MEN pretending to be ideological, similar what is sometimes alleged against Gavin and Mike Hearn.

Ideally you don't need any more core devs and the coin is done. But I realize that is probably unrealistic.

[smooth]

What if you "disappeared" and because of that the other 6 "retire" or "lose interest" and turn over control to "Gavinmike".

Then someone else can fork the repo and take over. If no one cares enough to do that, then it doesn't really matter does it?

If you are asking for some sort of ironclad guarantee of no potential failure modes of an asset with potential million-to-one returns in the event of meaningful success then you don't really understand economics, and I don't think that is the case. I guess you are just pointing out possible failure modes for others, which is fair game.

I was cracking a joke but at the same time saying if the ideological devs could be scared away and replaced by G-MEN pretending to be ideological, similar what is sometimes alleged against Gavin and Mike Hearn.

Ideally you don't need any more core devs and the coin is done. But I realize that is probably unrealistic.

I think its fair that eventually something like a coin could actually be "done". It really doesn't need to be a very complex piece of software to do what it needs to do. I also think this largely blunts the FUD that is often stated about open source not being secure against back doors because of the example of openssl. But openssl is an enormous piece of code that is made more so by the need to support complex externally-defined (possibly attacker-defined) standards and compatibility with many other implementations including broken ones. A coin doesn't need to do any of that, making it possible for the code to be both relatively small and far more transparent.

This does not remove the possibility of deep back doors like the compiler bootstrapping issue.

[TPTB_need_war]

Smooth I agree complexity is the killer. One way to decrease complexity is separation-of-concerns. The base coin protocol should for example be as orthogonal as possible to the wallets. Ideally even the base coin protocol would be nearly orthogonal modules, such as:

* consensus subsystem
* transaction subsystem (drop in CN, CCT, or what have you, even use more than one at the same time)
* SPV client-server subsystem

Oh shit, I am sharing my design.

Backdoors can be minimized with clear semantic code, strongly typed language, detailed comments, and minimal code. Cryptographic critical paths should especially be documented line-by-line.

Such nirvana is easy to write down as a goal and hard-to-do.

Any way, I think code shouldn't be so boring. Should interest people just to study it for its elegance and semantic terseness. If I get bored with pedantic minutia reading code, I am usually gone. So that pretty much eliminates C as a language choice for me. After 5 MB of C and 68000 assembly source code I wrote in the 1980s, I think I had my lifetime's fill of that crap already.

[MoneroMooo]

Watch-only wallets can now be created from a standard address and a view key (they were previously created by saving a wallet from an existing full wallet in simplewallet). This makes it much easier to use a view key (ie, the Monero core team publishes their standard address and view key).

it's this one no?
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/dc4dbc1cebc51e2567572c33571f943c0e30cc38

i was very confused by the description when i saw it

but one day i will really learn how this all works lol

thanks for all your contributions! love the web wallet too

That's the one, and you're welcome

Smooth I agree complexity is the killer. One way to decrease complexity is separation-of-concerns.

This is really the one high level thing that helps a lot. Now always super easy to do, but it's the gift that keeps on giving.

[jwinterm]

Trademark attack?
https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/320/monero-is-under-trademark-attack

I think I read about this on reddit or here a week or two ago. Anyone think this is srsbiznss? Just trolling?

[5w00p]

Trademark attack?
https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/320/monero-is-under-trademark-attack

I think I read about this on reddit or here a week or two ago. Anyone think this is srsbiznss? Just trolling?

Yeah, there really is a BS claim but fluffypony and the team are on top of it, with the help of the EFF and lawyers...

Just go back a page or two in this thread for discussion.

[Anon136]

well that's a novel "attack vector"

[jwinterm]

Trademark attack?
https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/320/monero-is-under-trademark-attack

I think I read about this on reddit or here a week or two ago. Anyone think this is srsbiznss? Just trolling?

Yeah, there really is a BS claim but fluffypony and the team are on top of it, with the help of the EFF and lawyers...

Just go back a page or two in this thread for discussion.

Oic. Seems like BS to me, but good to know it is being looked at seriously...

[elrippo]

also it would be good to have simplewallet translated to chinese.

It does not lend itself to translating at the moment, as there is no i18n (ie, gettext or similar) used for all the strings it outputs. So that would need to be changed first, if translating simplewallet is wanted. And it'd probably pull all the rest of the core code which can send error messages as well.

Agreed, basically speaking, we need the whole Monero environement translated into chinese, with Monero core, simplewallet, getmonero.org, and further documentation.

So i think we have two options
1.) Hiring a chinese translator to do that all at the moment speaking and every 3 months what gets added.
2.) Organize a chinese community and hope they are doing this as long as Monero exists.

Both have their downsides, but in my personal limited opinion, number 1 would be feasible and instant.
What do you guys think?

Let me know your thoughts Ladies and Gentleman!

I pledge 50 XMR for the chinese translation as well, would make 675 XMR so far. Is there anybody willing to organize this?

As soon as someone comes forward willing to translate we can find a trusted escrow and talk with flyffly about how the new language will be integrated in the current website, also it would be good to have simplewallet translated to chinese.

i would hit that. my chinese is quite good.

Sounds good  
Can you give us an example of your translation, or has anybody here read a translated script from aminorex?

I pledge 50 XMR for the chinese translation as well, would make 675 XMR so far. Is there anybody willing to organize this?

As soon as someone comes forward willing to translate we can find a trusted escrow and talk with flyffly about how the new language will be integrated in the current website, also it would be good to have simplewallet translated to chinese.

i would hit that. my chinese is quite good.

awesome, I would send the moneroj directly to you.

Let´s use a transparent escrow, i think this is in the interest for all of us  

@fluffy @smooth @GingerAle

What do you think about translating getmonero.org into traditional chinese?
We already have 675XMR pleged, so this would be an excellent oportunity to approach the chinese market with our beloved XMR  

[GingerAle]

^ re: chinese translation: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think its a great idea, but might be a little too early. There's a lot of needed content on getmonero.org. User guides. Developer guides. All empty. if we could arrange for whatever translating service to do future content translations, then by all means go forward. Otherwise, IMO, we'd do better to to create content for the website in english.

And I don't know what 300$ in translating services can get yah.

But who knows. Perhaps just translating whats there now is all we need to get the ball rolling.

[TPTB_need_war]

It is great to see all these people working together to accomplish a goal. I know it is a great feeling for the developers to reach a point of critical mass.

It does however have a certain level groupthink (non-objectivity) attached to it, and people tend to emotionally marry the investments they feel a teamwork attachment to.

I don't know why I am making this comment. Perhaps I am saying I envy or relish the feeling of being involved in a great team result,  but also those damn black swans. C'est la vie.

[generalizethis]

It is great to see all these people working together to accomplish a goal. I know it is a great feeling for the developers to reach a point of critical mass.

It does however have a certain level groupthink (non-objectivity) attached to it, and people tend to emotionally marry the investments they feel a teamwork attachment to.

I don't know why I am making this comment. Perhaps I am saying I envy or relish the feeling of being involved in a great team result,  but also those damn black swans. C'est la vie.

You can always add to the mix. 

It's good to have free-thinkers and those who refuse to compromise around. As Delueze pointed out, the fringes become the centers and the former centers become the re-purposed blocks that form the foundation of the coming tower.

[QuantumQrack]

It is great to see all these people working together to accomplish a goal. I know it is a great feeling for the developers to reach a point of critical mass.

It does however have a certain level groupthink (non-objectivity) attached to it, and people tend to emotionally marry the investments they feel a teamwork attachment to.

I don't know why I am making this comment. Perhaps I am saying I envy or relish the feeling of being involved in a great team result,  but also those damn black swans. C'est la vie.

Agree 100%, very important ideas here.  But I would like to point out, that you even see this ten fold in the culture around bitcoin.  (to the point of excluding alt coins, and to the point of coming up with 'ideas' for bitcoin, that have already been implemented in alt coins.)

Appreciate your insight.

[iCEBREAKER]

^ re: chinese translation: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think its a great idea, but might be a little too early. There's a lot of needed content on getmonero.org. User guides. Developer guides. All empty. if we could arrange for whatever translating service to do future content translations, then by all means go forward. Otherwise, IMO, we'd do better to to create content for the website in english.

And I don't know what 300$ in translating services can get yah.

But who knows. Perhaps just translating whats there now is all we need to get the ball rolling.

A pump to the moon from Asian whales is fine, but what I'd really like to see are contributions, of code and aligned pure crypto research, from outside the Anglosphere.

This may be a pipe dream, given BTC's role model of more-or-less English-only core devs, but in the international spirit of Esperanto, we can hope.

[DirtyUniverse]

Anyone guess when monero price will be up again? I was remember 38k-41k monero price on Poloniex at 31.03.2015.

[kenji]

Anyone guess when monero price will be up again? I was remember 38k-41k monero price on Poloniex at 31.03.2015.

I doubt very much monero will reach that high again, unless  Strange happaned, like some some big drugmarket will accept Monero

[GingerAle]

Anyone guess when monero price will be up again? I was remember 38k-41k monero price on Poloniex at 31.03.2015.

Probably when the fiat -> monero markets come online, that'll see a nice surge.

Beyond that, this is for the speculation thread, but price will be up again when there are more people wanting to buy it than are willing to sell it.

[LuxMoneroj]

in the international spirit of Esperanto, we can hope.

 

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[DirtyUniverse]

Anyone guess when monero price will be up again? I was remember 38k-41k monero price on Poloniex at 31.03.2015.

I doubt very much monero will reach that high again, unless  Strange happaned, like some some big drugmarket will accept Monero

Ohh, i still holding my moneroj for this big move. if this will happen, i sell my all xmr and I will buy a ticket to go to the moon.