[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[child_harold]

Please give me an example, whether it be a document or a testimony, of a piece of evidence which would satisfy you now that bytecoin started in 2012.

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? Im sorry, what evidence would satisfy you?

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Got it:

Archived pages on archive.org or another credible, independent third party site. These might be indirect references. For example, it was claimed that the coin was used as a major transactional currency at an international research institution. Surely such activity would have left some sort of a trail, for example people working at that institution talking about it on an archived mailing list, event announcements (e.g., cost to buy tickets or refreshments expressed in BCN, etc.) Attestation by credible witnesses with verifiable identities of having been aware of it (preferably more than one, but let's start with one). Drafts of documents on a verifiable third party site such as google docs, dropbox, etc. with appropriate "last modified" dates (I'm assuming this sites don't allow changing those dates, but I'm not sure of that). A hash of the BCN genesis block (or white papers or or a relevant "secret message" or anything else associated with BCN) buried in the Bitcoin blockchain back in 2012.


since the origins allegedly lay in the darknet web archivers and google/3rd parties etc are unhelpful. Shame they dint do something on the BTC blockchain - it does not seem there is anything else that would satisfy you…

[fluffypony]

^thanks for the above reply fluffypony. whist I still have your attention could you also please give me an example, whether it be a document or a testimony, of a piece of evidence which would satisfy you now that bytecoin started in 2012? thanks

In addition to smooth's list, I'd also add that a git / SVN log covering the alleged 2 years would lean towards that. The dates can't be verified, but you can see a pattern of thinking develop, a slow maturation of code and ideas, the ongoing refactoring of code, modularising, bad decisions being reverted, OOP patterns and practices being applied over time, etc.

[fluffypony]

since the origins allegedly lay in the darknet web archivers and google/3rd parties etc are unhelpful. Shame they dint do something on the BTC blockchain - it does not seem there is anything else that would satisfy you…

Don't forget that credible, known entities can come forward and admit to using it / being aware of it / contributing to it.

[smooth]

Please give me an example, whether it be a document or a testimony, of a piece of evidence which would satisfy you now that bytecoin started in 2012.

Edited above

? Im sorry, what evidence would satisfy you?

Edited in this reply above.

Got it:

Archived pages on archive.org or another credible, independent third party site. These might be indirect references. For example, it was claimed that the coin was used as a major transactional currency at an international research institution. Surely such activity would have left some sort of a trail, for example people working at that institution talking about it on an archived mailing list, event announcements (e.g., cost to buy tickets or refreshments expressed in BCN, etc.) Attestation by credible witnesses with verifiable identities of having been aware of it (preferably more than one, but let's start with one). Drafts of documents on a verifiable third party site such as google docs, dropbox, etc. with appropriate "last modified" dates (I'm assuming this sites don't allow changing those dates, but I'm not sure of that). A hash of the BCN genesis block (or white papers or or a relevant "secret message" or anything else associated with BCN) buried in the Bitcoin blockchain back in 2012.


since the origins allegedly lay in the darknet web archivers and google/3rd parties etc are unhelpful. Shame they dint do something on the BTC blockchain - it does not seem there is anything else that would satisfy you…

The "origins on the darknet" story does not preclude there being credible witnesses. Nor does the story begin and end there. If, as claimed, it was a major transactional currency at an international research institution, that would very likely have been discussed outside the darknet. In my experience (which spans >1 such institution, though certainly not all of them), I don't know any international research institutions which communicate entirely on the darknet.

[smooth]

^thanks for the above reply fluffypony. whist I still have your attention could you also please give me an example, whether it be a document or a testimony, of a piece of evidence which would satisfy you now that bytecoin started in 2012? thanks

In addition to smooth's list, I'd also add that a git / SVN log covering the alleged 2 years would lean towards that. The dates can't be verified, but you can see a pattern of thinking develop, a slow maturation of code and ideas, the ongoing refactoring of code, modularising, bad decisions being reverted, OOP patterns and practices being applied over time, etc.

I would not find that particularly credible given the amount of effort that has already been observed to go into retroactively creating backstories. But again, if they existed, some of these could have been archived in some manner, such as backups or copies used for sharing among collaborators on third party servers.

[papa_lazzarou]

Para os tugas. Vamos por isto a mexer porque o português é a sexta língua com mais nativos do mundo.
[XMR] MONERO - Cryptomoeda Segura, privada, não rastreável

(Translation: Portuguese guys. Lets get this thing moving because portuguese is the 6th language with the largest number of native speakers)

Also, do you guys know who arranged that translation? I think it would be a good idea to lock that thread and open one under the control of a monerian so that the OP could be updated as needed.

[MilkyLep]

My July 4th sale Trezor was delivered yesterday, went to check for any updates on Monero implementation. Big Bummer. Anybody else out there considering taking on the task?

[americanpegasus]

The whole bytecoin fiasco is stupefying. 
 
Anyone involved in crypto surely knew that bitcoin wasn't a gimmick, it was an incredible powerful invention with the power to change the world. 
 
Now, anyone intelligent enough to create Cryptonote and/or Bytecoin had to realize that this would be an even more profound invention. 
 
To reduce it to a premine scam, or to compromise the integrity of the distribution somehow is unthinkable (for profit) when you could just launch fairly and still own a titanic share of the next big thing. 
 
The *only* conclusion that I, as a rational outside observer, can come to is that something extremely fishy surrounds the entire existence of Bytecoin.  Perhaps even a false flag operation of sorts? 
 
Anyway, the less said about Bytecoin going forward, the better. 
 
It's dead Jim, and it's not going anywhere.  The only purpose it serves is one more FUD variable in a sea that's already chock full of them.

[illodin]

The *only* conclusion that I, as a rational outside observer, can come to is that something extremely fishy surrounds the entire existence of Bytecoin.  Perhaps even a false flag operation of sorts?

Or a honeypot.

[medusa13]

Anyone involved in crypto surely knew that bitcoin wasn't a gimmick, it was an incredible powerful invention with the power to change the world.  
  
Now, anyone intelligent enough to create Cryptonote and/or Bytecoin had to realize that this would be an even more profound invention.  
  
To reduce it to a premine scam, or to compromise the integrity of the distribution somehow is unthinkable (for profit) when you could just launch fairly and still own a titanic share of the next big thing.  

sharing the same view here. the most realistic scenario is still that BCN was launched from a somehow related group that had acces to the original developers work. It's also possible they split up because of some reasons. i dont think its reallistic that one person did it all alone, but cant really estimate this myself.

still feel that cryptonote too does not have much joy on our existence. i remember the time they launched that CN forking guide. it seemed precicely planned to me, published at the moment when it was able to cause damage and disruption. maybe it was the only way for some of the real devs to keep face, launching a scientific reference implementation.

was there never a statement from cryptonote regarding bytecoin ?

anyway this topic allready wasted soooo many pages of this thread all together..cant those really interested in it make a thread only for this? or necro this old thread ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0)
because to be honest, i really dont care too much, i allready made up my mind as you could expect seeing me posting in this thread instead of bytecoin's

much luv

[smooth]

was there never a statement from cryptonote regarding bytecoin ?

Yes there was a statement from cryptonote that the bytecoiners split off because they wanted to launch their own coin and the cryptonoters did not. Whether that is entirely true, partially true, or a complete steaming pile of horseshit I really don't know.

[brianloene]

ByteCoin shows that distribution is very important. If you want 100% of all the coins just start your own company.

[canth]

ByteCoin shows that distribution is very important. If you want 100% of all the coins just start your own company.

And it works, to a limited extent. I'm sure that the BCN creators have been able to dump thousands of dollars of coins per day since the launch on exchanges. I see BCN going the way of PayCoin, but it takes a long time for these things to eventually fade.

[medusa13]

i personally neither trust cryptonote nor bytecoin. maybe its just because i have been watching this all more or less closely since the beginning...it all together gave a pretty clear picture to most of us i guess

[canth]

i personally neither trust cryptonote nor bytecoin. maybe its just because i have been watching this all more or less closely since the beginning...it all together gave a pretty clear picture to most of us i guess

Nothing is as clear as the DASH instamine.

[Globb0]

no that was dark coin

[Jungian]

ByteCoin shows that distribution is very important. If you want 100% of all the coins just start your own company.

And it works, to a limited extent. I'm sure that the BCN creators have been able to dump thousands of dollars of coins per day since the launch on exchanges. I see BCN going the way of PayCoin, but it takes a long time for these things to eventually fade.

Paycoin had a community of believers. Although fooled, they were at least quite a few in numbers. I'm not convinced anyone really believes in BCN.

no that was dark coin

It's the same coin.

[fluffypony]

Paycoin had a community of believers. Although fooled, they were at least quite a few in numbers. I'm not convinced anyone really believes in BCN.

Which is why I find it so bizarre when anyone (who is not an obvious sock puppet) defends them. Are they that gullible, that easily deluded? I don't even know.

[BoscoMurray]

no that was dark coin

No, that was XCoin

[futureofbitcoin]

How is monero in terms of non-currency usage? Is it possible to do smart contracts and such on monero? A lot of VCs and investors like bitcoin not for its use as a currency, but for its super secure public database, for its ability to do smart contracts and many other layers other than currency.

Is that possible, or is that inherently impossible (or extremely cumbersome) to do with monero because of the private nature of its blockchain?