[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[novag]

Whithout payment ID it possible to lost coin

[aminorex]

Whithout payment ID it possible to lost coin

No, the coin is not lost.  But it is much more difficult to prove that you are the sender.  If poloniex were to use a distinct destination address for each depositor, these problems would not occur, but there are impediments to doing so, albeit fewer than there once were.

[fluffypony]

EDIT: too slow. You dEBRUYNE and fluffypony are amazing, thanks for the effortless support.

Given how rarely I comment here that is a compliment of the highest order...thank you, although dEBRUYNE definitely deserves the majority of your gratitude:)

[?chooseusername]

how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?

[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.

[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.

Thanks, I just sent 1 XMR from mymonero wallet to my paper wallet but it has been 3hrs and I haven't receive it. I used mixing 3.

Any idea what happened?

[smooth]

Is it safe to assume that in the future, any official GUI wallet or something will account/help with this issue, like coin control etc? I mean, if people can move thousands of bitcoins around without any issue like this, why not Monero someday? Thanks again everyone.

The issue of unmixable dust is going away after the upcoming fork. All coins will be mixable, though there still may be some issues with fee calculation being complicated.

[Arux]

If mymonero goes down there is no way I can access my wallet, right? I tried to use the simple wallet but is not very user-friendly. Are there more options? cheers

in the worst possible scenario, mymonero is down or unreachable for a very long time and you must absolutely access your wallet. indeed there is no easy way for non-tech user. but no easy way don't mean no way at all. the code to use a mymonero seed into a modified simplewallet was writing by wartangent here https://github.com/warptangent/bitmonero/tree/wallet_seed_updates_and_support_mymonero and i tested it successfully with 0.9.1.0 (proof and explanation here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg13698569#msg13698569)

so don't be worried and keep using mymonero, your funds will be always accessible in one easy way (mymonero) or another one more complicated (modified simplewallet).

[Arux]

how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?

[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.

[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.

Thanks, I just sent 1 XMR from mymonero wallet to my paper wallet but it has been 3hrs and I haven't receive it. I used mixing 3.

Any idea what happened?

what did you use to check your paper wallet balance? mymonero or simplewallet?

[?chooseusername]

how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?

[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.

[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.

Thanks, I just sent 1 XMR from mymonero wallet to my paper wallet but it has been 3hrs and I haven't receive it. I used mixing 3.

Any idea what happened?

what did you use to check your paper wallet balance? mymonero or simplewallet?

mymonero

[Arux]

how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?

[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.

[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.

Thanks, I just sent 1 XMR from mymonero wallet to my paper wallet but it has been 3hrs and I haven't receive it. I used mixing 3.

Any idea what happened?

what did you use to check your paper wallet balance? mymonero or simplewallet?

mymonero

in mymonero, your transaction history begin at your first connection. transactions before the first login are not visible (to import previous transactions, you must pay a 10 xmr fee)
your first login in this wallet was before or after the 1 xmr transaction?

[smooth]

If mymonero goes down there is no way I can access my wallet, right? I tried to use the simple wallet but is not very user-friendly. Are there more options? cheers

in the worst possible scenario, mymonero is down or unreachable for a very long time and you must absolutely access your wallet. indeed there is no easy way for non-tech user. but no easy way don't mean no way at all. the code to use a mymonero seed into a modified simplewallet was writing by wartangent here https://github.com/warptangent/bitmonero/tree/wallet_seed_updates_and_support_mymonero and i tested it successfully with 0.9.1.0 (proof and explanation here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg13698569#msg13698569)

so don't be worried and keep using mymonero, your funds will be always accessible in one easy way (mymonero) or another one more complicated (modified simplewallet).

Agree with Arux, but another alternative is to create a wallet using simplewallet and then log into that wallet using MyMonero. As long as you log into MyMonero before using the wallet for the first time, you don't need to pay the import fee.

By doing this you end up with a wallet that is fully accessible using both methods.

[dEBRUYNE]

how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?

[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.

[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.

Thanks, I just sent 1 XMR from mymonero wallet to my paper wallet but it has been 3hrs and I haven't receive it. I used mixing 3.

Any idea what happened?

what did you use to check your paper wallet balance? mymonero or simplewallet?

mymonero

Do you still have your transaction hash? If so, use this tool -> http://xmrtests.llcoins.net/checktx.html

Fill in your address, the viewkey that belongs to the address (Moneroaddress provides this), and the transaction hash of that 1 XMR transaction. It should show you something like: "These outputs are yours". The sum of those outputs should be equal to the amount that was sent.

[dEBRUYNE]

Is it safe to assume that in the future, any official GUI wallet or something will account/help with this issue, like coin control etc? I mean, if people can move thousands of bitcoins around without any issue like this, why not Monero someday? Thanks again everyone.

The issue of unmixable dust is going away after the upcoming fork. All coins will be mixable, though there still may be some issues with fee calculation being complicated.

In addition, in the future their will likely be an option to sweep your whole wallet balance at once. Fluffypony opened an "issue" for this at Github, see:

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/issues/668

"Add ability to sweep a wallet's balance".

Also, regarding sweep_dust. It does exactly that if I recall correctly. It "bundles" all your dust outputs and sends them back to your own wallet.

[dEBRUYNE]

Whithout payment ID it possible to lost coin

No, the coin is not lost.  But it is much more difficult to prove that you are the sender.  If poloniex were to use a distinct destination address for each depositor, these problems would not occur, but there are impediments to doing so, albeit fewer than there once were.

Poloniex should migrate to integrated/serialised addresses in the foreseeable future, they are way more convenient than adding the payment ID as an additional step. Integrated/serealised addresses basically include the payment ID into the address, such that you only have to worry about 1 field.

[auswalk]

I just started looking into monero b/c it appears to be the best anonymous coin and the value that can provide is what made bitcoin what it is today. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, you don't need to know.

But there is a legit beef. I'm an IT guy and it is NOT TRIVIAL to do transactions. The wallet is called "simplewallet" it runs via a command line interface (CLI). I tried to use some third party gui "lightwallet" but that is a total joke. It wouldn't even write the config file. After 30 mins screwing with that piece of junk, I gave up.

1. There is no desktop GUI client wallet. I find that pretty poor planning. If you have no GUI wallet, then you have no usage. Someone badly needs to step up to the plate and get that built.

2. The fact it doesn't share bitcoin's codebase is both a curse and a sparkling diamond. B/c it doesn't get some free code from the bitcoin project, the client and updates are slower.

Going back to #1.

MONERO GET A GUI CLIENT UP NOW. The coin is worthless if it requires a CS degree to use a CLI wallet to use the damn thing. Consider who your target audience is. Also explain right off the bat what the viewkey is, the spendkey, and the PAYMENT ID (which I understand is mandatory for some merchants in order to verify a transaction even existed). mymonero.com is nice but you understand the entire purpose of this coin is super privacy. You can't have people viewing transactions on a website b/c there's no GUI client. Bam there goes privacy.

That should be priority 1 while you continue to work on the infrastrature. Get some usage, feedback, and more merchant support. Please. Otherwise the entire effort may be in vain.

[japerry]

I just started looking into monero b/c it appears to be the best anonymous coin and the value that can provide is what made bitcoin what it is today. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, you don't need to know.

But there is a legit beef. I'm an IT guy and it is NOT TRIVIAL to do transactions. The wallet is called "simplewallet" it runs via a command line interface (CLI). I tried to use some third party gui "lightwallet" but that is a total joke. It wouldn't even write the config file. After 30 mins screwing with that piece of junk, I gave up.

...

I'm amazed at how many "IT" guys still haven't mastered the operation of Google. A 5-second search using Google with the search term "monero gui" yields the resulting site: https://github.com/Jojatekok/MoneroGui.Net

I've tried it and it works well.

[iCEBREAKER]

The coin is worthless if it requires a CS degree to use a CLI wallet to use the damn thing.

Remember the good old days of 2011, when Bitcoin and Namecoin were like that?   

[bitebits]

Integrated/serealised addresses basically include the payment ID into the address, such that you only have to worry about 1 field.

That is really interesting. Is there any information on how to use this / how it works?

[Hueristic]

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/chinas-new-dystopian-citizen-rating-system/

[robelneo]

I would like to get involve in this coin and list it on my coins to watch this year but unfortunately they are not traded on yobit,where my coins are and there are no monero faucets listed,this is a very promising coin and surprised that no faucets are existing

[smooth]

Integrated/serealised addresses basically include the payment ID into the address, such that you only have to worry about 1 field.

That is really interesting. Is there any information on how to use this / how it works?

It is part of simplewallet:

  integrated_address   integrated_address [PID] - Encode a payment ID into an integrated address for the current wallet public address (no argument uses a random payment ID), or decode an integrated address to standard address and payment ID