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Author Topic: [ANN] Syscoin - Business on the Blockchain - LAUNCHED!  (Read 490226 times)
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July 20, 2014, 02:10:52 PM
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Perhaps there is room for a service in buying smaller chunks of Syscoin,

I can do this for you for a fee of 0.1% of the amount of Syscoins you get. Or you can bunch up together and do a group buy.

Cool. Let me know if you want to buy my investment. I'm selling at a 2% discount over the pre-sale price. Sent you a pm too.
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July 20, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
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running the math on this, the IPO price point is expensive and quite frankly a little greedy. A top 10 market cap basically before launch? That's an awfully optimistic valuation
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July 20, 2014, 02:23:43 PM
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I'm suggesting devs to reconsider and divide 15% coins among investors, no matter how much was btc invested.


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July 20, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
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A few things and thoughts I'd like to add to this thread. Before I begin I should mention that I'm not associated with the SysCoin team or Moolah in any way. My opinions are my own.
 Cool

Moolah's exchange is very new. I think it's literally 2-3 days old, so the jury is out on whether it will be a successful exchange with high trading volumes in the future. Maybe it won't, but I expect SysCoin will be traded on other platforms soon enough, which is why this specific issue shouldn't concern people too much.

I personally haven't used Moolah for anything so far, although I have been aware of their site and services for quite some time. I've been following their progress, and generally speaking, I think that they're moving in the right direction and have a good grasp on what the altcoin scene requires and desires. I like their user interface and overall approach. Moolah is (obviously) more than just an exchange, so it's quite possible that a different part of their business will take-off and they will find their success in some "non-exchange" niche. And maybe they won't become successful, who knows...

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With that out of the way, I think some people in this thread need to take a step back for a second.
I'm not trying to call-out (or offend) anyone in particular, but be realistic with your expectations.

There are of course many legitimate and interesting questions being asked. However, everyone needs to remember that we're talking about a start-up company. It takes time to build a brand, gain recognition, become a trusted service provider, etc.

How long has it taken Bitcoin to be accepted by mainstream merchants? Bitcoin opened a door that will make it much easier for those that follow, but even Bitcoin has a lot of work to do before it becomes widely used/accepted.

On that note, when it comes to investing in start-up companies, at least as far as I'm concerned, there are two main things to take into consideration.

1. Do you believe in the product?

I think the answer to this question is pretty straightforward. We're all participating in this thread and forum because we clearly see the potential that cryptocurrencies and block-chain applications have. Whether or not SysCoin will be successful at marketing and selling their product is an entirely different question. That's why investing in start-up companies is a risky business.

2. Do you believe in the people involved?

This is perhaps the most important question. These type of ventures require a number of people with a range of different skills. From where I'm sitting, it definitely seems like the SysCoin team is well-rounded, professional, and meticulous.

Now, if these two boxes are ticked then it's really just a matter of calculating whether or not you (as an investor) are getting an equitable deal, and whether you believe there's a good enough chance you will get a decent return on your investment. Period.

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Never invest/risk money than you can't afford to lose.
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July 20, 2014, 02:26:54 PM
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running the math on this, the IPO price point is expensive and quite frankly a little greedy. A top 10 market cap basically before launch? That's an awfully optimistic valuation

How have you done the math on that? 30+ million valuation at launch? can you even math?

lol i see you changed it to top 10 instead of 5, Still not even te right valuation
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July 20, 2014, 02:28:42 PM
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[...snip...]
That said, looking forward to a more in-depth reply, once you gone through the crypto smart contract concepts.

Still working on this, will have a more thorough reply later tonight. Probably one of the best [technical] questions we've gotten thus far!
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And another concept is smart property, this is useful in future.

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July 20, 2014, 02:28:51 PM
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im selling my investment too at 3% discount, i believe in the coin but just hurried in buying. if you can wait till launch you can buy my investment. i will be buying closer to that date. you have a opportunity to get some cheap coins
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July 20, 2014, 02:29:38 PM
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running the math on this, the IPO price point is expensive and quite frankly a little greedy. A top 10 market cap basically before launch? That's an awfully optimistic valuation

How have you done the math on that? 30+ million valuation at launch? can you even math?

lol i see you changed it to top 10 instead of 5, Still not even te right valuation

vampiro only calculate mined coins not coins that are not mined.
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July 20, 2014, 02:35:27 PM
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running the math on this, the IPO price point is expensive and quite frankly a little greedy. A top 10 market cap basically before launch? That's an awfully optimistic valuation

The math you're running is faulty.

Show me your calculations and I'll show you a back of the envelope calculation that disproves your premise.


Your argument:

Premise 1: The IPO price point will get syscoin to the top 10 in terms of market cap.

Conclusion 1: The developers are greedy

Not only is this a faulty argument, but if

the 1500 BTC worth of pre-sale

is 15% then 100% equals a market cap of: 0.15x = 1500   x= 10000 BTC

which is a top 14.

Top 14 Does not equal Top 10.

 


Syscoin has the best of Bitcoin and Ethereum in one place, it's merge mined with Bitcoin so it is plugged into Bitcoin's ecosystem and takes full advantage of it's POW while rewarding Bitcoin miners with Syscoin
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July 20, 2014, 02:37:48 PM
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Top 5, Top 10, Top 15 - who cares? We are speaking about $6,000,000!
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July 20, 2014, 02:42:50 PM
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with 1500btc the current cap is $1million
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July 20, 2014, 02:43:12 PM
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top 13, top 10 close enough. my point should be obvious though. if i'm an investor in the IPO, i expect some return on my investment. with that valuation, sure there's room to grow, but with how crypto is lately, thats REALLY risky. if you disagree fine, but i'm just giving my perspective to some people who may not think about it like this.
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July 20, 2014, 02:45:32 PM
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with 1500btc the current cap is $1million
...which is only 15% of the total as 1500btc are targeted through the 15% IPO.
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July 20, 2014, 02:47:47 PM
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with 1500btc the current cap is $1million
...which is only 15% of the total as 1500btc are targeted through the 15% IPO.

i know and are the other coins mined yet? are they gonna be mined within a month? no. why are people calculating the max coins when its only whats in circulation that should be calculated. someone calc mined coins will be 7.43btc a day at current prices. so people giving a marketcap based on max coins recalculate
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July 20, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
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via and crypti were obvious wins on risk vs reward. this one not so much. not saying it wont happen but its not worth the risk to me
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July 20, 2014, 02:48:36 PM
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running the math on this, the IPO price point is expensive and quite frankly a little greedy. A top 10 market cap basically before launch? That's an awfully optimistic valuation

The math you're running is faulty.

Show me your calculations and I'll show you a back of the envelope calculation that disproves your premise.


Your argument:

Premise 1: The IPO price point will get syscoin to the top 10 in terms of market cap.

Conclusion 1: The developers are greedy

Not only is this a faulty argument, but if

the 1500 BTC worth of pre-sale

is 15% then 100% equals a market cap of: 0.15x = 1500   x= 10000 BTC

which is a top 14.

Top 14 Does not equal Top 10.

 



Its not even top 14 at launch it would currently be 35th, he is talking about the market cap at launch which is only roughly $1,160,000 at ipo price assuming all of the presale sells, after 60 days of mining it will still only be roughly $1,350,000 at ipo price, if the presale doesnt sell out it will be even less.

I dont know why everyone is valuating this coin as if all 2 billion coins will be generated at launch
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July 20, 2014, 02:53:05 PM
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running the math on this, the IPO price point is expensive and quite frankly a little greedy. A top 10 market cap basically before launch? That's an awfully optimistic valuation

The math you're running is faulty.

Show me your calculations and I'll show you a back of the envelope calculation that disproves your premise.


Your argument:

Premise 1: The IPO price point will get syscoin to the top 10 in terms of market cap.

Conclusion 1: The developers are greedy

Not only is this a faulty argument, but if

the 1500 BTC worth of pre-sale

is 15% then 100% equals a market cap of: 0.15x = 1500   x= 10000 BTC

which is a top 14.

Top 14 Does not equal Top 10.

 



Its not even top 14 at launch it would currently be 35th, he is talking about the market cap at launch which is only roughly $1,160,000 at ipo price assuming all of the presale sells, after 60 days of mining it will still only be roughly $1,350,000 at ipo price, if the presale doesnt sell out it will be even less.

I dont know why everyone is valuating this coin as if all 2 billion coins will be generated at launch


It's basically dumb fuck math.

If you used the same math on VIAcoin before launch you would of had a valuation of about 6 million dollars....if you include all the coins that are intended to be mined, yet right now it gives 400% of original IPO price.....how can this be!!!!!!! omg!!!!!111!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah it's dumb fuck math
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July 20, 2014, 02:58:01 PM
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via and crypti were obvious wins on risk vs reward. this one not so much. not saying it wont happen but its not worth the risk to me

Via got 600 btc for 10%, it's like Sys.

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July 20, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
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im not going to bother explaining it anymore as the less people buy into the presale the lower the market cap is going to be and the more room for increased returns.
if only half of the presale sells (150,000,000) + the devs 3 % (30,000,000)   thats only 180 million coins at launch 180000000x0.00000518 = 932BTC or a rough $590,000 market cap

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July 20, 2014, 03:02:55 PM
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It's beyond me how people can think about investing in a coin without reading all the information about it.  Most of these questions are answered in the OP, the Syscoin website or at Moolah.  The process is fairly transparent.  If you like it invest; if you don't...well don't invest.
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