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October 24, 2014, 03:17:48 PM
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Trying out the in-wallet "buy VRC" function... litebit.eu

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The radio buttons (payment method, male-female, ...) are jumping around without clicks, just by mouse-over.  

VRC v1.4.1.1-g32a928e on windows7sp1

Pls update to the newest wallet 1.4.1.2 should be the download on the website www.vericoin.info , just install on the top of it.

But remember to do always the backup routine with wallet.dat file. It's always a safety fundamental Wink
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Version 1.4.1

My wallet is stuck synchronizing at (currently) 2206 blocks remaining. I am facing this sync issue since a few days.
My config file contains the 5 supernodes and I just added 'addnode=107.170.140.210', but this makes no difference.
Any recommendations to solve this sync issue ?
Thanks in advance.

Similar issue here.
Stuck on block 239119, for hours now.  "... was generated 23 days ago ..."

I really don't want to redownload everything.
What about creating a blockchain bootstrap download file?



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getinfo
{
"version" : "v1.4.1.1-g32a928e",
"protocolversion" : 60042,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"blocks" : 239119,
"connections" : 8,
}




"7 active connections to the Vericoin network"


Most neighbours have "version" : 60042, but one actually has  "version" : 60043 !


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getpeerinfo

[
{
"addr" : "107.170.140.210:58684",
"version" : 60043,
"subver" : "/Satoshi:1.16.1.1/",
},
{
"version" : 60042,
"subver" : "/Satoshi:1.16.1.1/",
}
]


The last lines of debug.log are:

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ERROR: CheckProofOfStake() : INFO: read txPrev failed
WARNING: ProcessBlock(): check proof-of-stake failed for block ce433cf308a59bcf6911e03689e1e9d87c43daeadfe9a3db1a249205990bc0fa
received block fdaecf6ef8e83bb311b9
ERROR: CheckProofOfStake() : INFO: read txPrev failed
WARNING: ProcessBlock(): check proof-of-stake failed for block fdaecf6ef8e83bb311b91ecb6f5c14b2876f8e3228a461945cc5a894a8a16830
received block 94f4d1ade1613e89e0cf
ERROR: CheckProofOfStake() : INFO: read txPrev failed
WARNING: ProcessBlock(): check proof-of-stake failed for block 94f4d1ade1613e89e0cfa57652d0b2f658ac3baca37e0f867d4fff8ec41420cc
received block b915d2db092cc65c592c
Flush(false)
wallet.dat refcount=0
ThreadSocketHandler exited
wallet.dat checkpoint
ERROR: CheckProofOfStake() : INFO: read txPrev failed
WARNING: ProcessBlock(): check proof-of-stake failed for block b915d2db092cc65c592c321a1ee553ff252d9aa9357db67550bb30280830b086
ThreadMessageHandler exited
ipcThread exited
wallet.dat detach
wallet.dat closed
DBFlush(false) ended             125ms
StopNode()
ThreadStakeMinter exiting, 0 threads remaining
ThreadMapPort exited
Flushed 3288 addresses to peers.dat  47ms
Flush(true)
DBFlush(true) ended               0ms
VeriCoin exited


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October 24, 2014, 04:17:33 PM
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Trying out the in-wallet "buy VRC" function... litebit.eu
Bug report:
The radio buttons (payment method, male-female, ...) are jumping around without clicks, just by mouse-over.  
VRC v1.4.1.1-g32a928e on windows7sp1
Pls update to the newest wallet 1.4.1.2 should be the download on the website www.vericoin.info , just install on the top of it.

Thanks a lot! In the process of downloading it.


>  download on the website www.vericoin.info
--> http://www.vericoin.info/downloads/VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe

BUT that IS STILL CALLED VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe  Embarrassed  
- PLEASE change names when incrementing versions.  If I had seen there is a new version, I would have tried that first, of course.

Also, please consider to use the alert service inside the protocol, to announce new versions --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566164  (last 2 lines "EDIT: ...") Thanks.


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--> http://www.vericoin.info/downloads/VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe
Just installed it.

No, it's still the same version, sorry

Inside the wallet: v1.4.1.1-g32a928e
vericoin-qt.exe Properties --> Product version: 1.4.1.0  Date modified: 30/09/2014 02:02


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October 24, 2014, 05:33:30 PM
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Since silence means approval, obviously the assumption that the technology James is bringing to VRC is for cloud storage (sorry: decentralized cloud storage),  is correct. In other words: James is buying the Vericoin image to keep on hiding his identity to the world and hoping regulation in the US will not catch up before he can get the last drop out of Supernet. Smart move or only resource at his disposal? A bit of time will tell. He's a smart guy so it is probably a smart move and a benefit to Supernet project... To VRC? It doesn't hurt -for now; it will at time of regulation-  but, without James, possibilities of survival of VRC are very slim to none, so pretty much only option left. Value? It had. A month ago. Not any more.

Maddie: day 3 of many weeks and months ahead in the singles and trending lower. Keep holding me up to that, ok?

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Since silence means approval, obviously the assumption that the technology James is bringing to VRC is for cloud storage (sorry: decentralized cloud storage),  is correct. In other words: James is buying the Vericoin image to keep on hiding his identity to the world and hoping regulation in the US will not catch up before he can get the last drop out of Supernet. Smart move or only resource at his disposal? A bit of time will tell. He's a smart guy so it is probably a smart move and a benefit to Supernet project... To VRC? It doesn't hurt -for now; it will at time of regulation-  but, without James, possibilities of survival of VRC are very slim to none, so pretty much only option left. Value? It had. A month ago. Not any more.

Maddie: day 3 of many weeks and months ahead in the singles and trending lower. Keep holding me up to that, ok?



How many more times are you going to say Vericoin is dead, nothings happening, nothing is being developed...time and time again the Devs and Vericoin prove you wrong. Sorry Babs, getting old!

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Bagholders, be ready to face MONTHS of (way) under 10k or be quite miserable.

Oh...don't worry Babs I'm holding you to it. Months, I'm not tracking or talking about the daily or weekly price here!

We will talk in a couple of months about this Cool
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October 24, 2014, 07:32:35 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


So your saying that "You" associate a decentralized encrypted cloud storage with deepweb naughty stuff?

I'm sorry but you do realize that a large portion of Bitcoin is used in annoymous transactions on the darkweb! But also a large portion of Bitcoin transactions are used for legitimate use. Soooo Bitcoin is bad because it can be used for illegal stuff?

OK Roll Eyes

There are currently 10-15+ Cloud Storage company's in the world right now...currently none are decentralized. How many of these cloud storage drives being used for illegal content, probably a far amount. But there is more then that amount of data being used for legal content too. There is only two decentralized cloud storage products being developed on block chain technology storj.io and syndicatedrive.com. Only storj.io will be accepting crypto currency as payment. This will be the future and competition will be welcomed and will be needed!

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October 24, 2014, 07:59:01 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


So your saying that "You" associate a decentralized encrypted cloud storage with deepweb naughty stuff?

I'm sorry but you do realize that a large portion of Bitcoin is used in annoymous transactions on the darkweb! But also a large portion of Bitcoin transactions are used for legitimate use. Soooo Bitcoin is bad because it can be used for illegal stuff?

OK Roll Eyes

There are currently 10-15+ Cloud Storage company's in the world right now...currently none are decentralized. How many of these cloud storage drives being used for illegal content, probably a far amount. But there is more then that amount of data being used for legal content too. There is only two decentralized cloud storage products being developed on block chain technology storj.io and syndicatedrive.com. Only storj.io will be accepting crypto currency as payment. This will be the future and competition will be welcomed and will be needed!


don't bother with the trolls MAD945 Wink its always the same old sappy story.... i come here to be amused with their creativeness on fud ,its actually entertaining Smiley no where else do you see the so called "whales" crying like little babies yet they never abandon the coin Wink its great to see them either in pain from the lack of profits they can manipulate or scramble for anything to bash the coin cause its their job..either or is hilarious and cringe worthy...

Keep up the entertainment lupin, barabbas and altcoinUK...


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October 24, 2014, 08:16:47 PM
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Trying out the in-wallet "buy VRC" function... litebit.eu
Bug report:
The radio buttons (payment method, male-female, ...) are jumping around without clicks, just by mouse-over.  
VRC v1.4.1.1-g32a928e on windows7sp1
Pls update to the newest wallet 1.4.1.2 should be the download on the website www.vericoin.info , just install on the top of it.

Thanks a lot! In the process of downloading it.


>  download on the website www.vericoin.info
--> http://www.vericoin.info/downloads/VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe

BUT that IS STILL CALLED VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe  Embarrassed  
- PLEASE change names when incrementing versions.  If I had seen there is a new version, I would have tried that first, of course.

Also, please consider to use the alert service inside the protocol, to announce new versions --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566164  (last 2 lines "EDIT: ...") Thanks.


[...]

--> http://www.vericoin.info/downloads/VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe
Just installed it.

No, it's still the same version, sorry

Inside the wallet: v1.4.1.1-g32a928e
vericoin-qt.exe Properties --> Product version: 1.4.1.0  Date modified: 30/09/2014 02:02



If on windows uninstall first, in remove programs, then install. It seems you may need to reload the block as well.  www.vericoin.info/downloads/bootstrap.dat
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October 24, 2014, 08:22:34 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


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October 24, 2014, 08:41:29 PM
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Any reason for to current drop in price ?
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October 24, 2014, 09:16:52 PM
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Any reason for to current drop in price ?


Bitcoin Price Drop = Altcoin Price Drop  Tongue

Alts are sea of red right now and have been for awhile...lack of liquidity and new money!

Altcon, Babs and Arss Lupoon will ring in with their positions...queue negative rant!
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Any reason for to current drop in price ?


Bitcoin Price Drop = Altcoin Price Drop  Tongue

Alts are sea of red right now...lack of liquidity and new money!

While, strangely, Maddie has a couple points there, although not all coins are affected. NAUT for instance, has been doing quite well recently. Others too. VRC's malady of late is due to the lack of real expectations of better things to come and, obviously, the mehh reception of the cloud project with James... which is very significant considering VRC has nothing else going for it.

But Maddie's points are also factors, no question about that.
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.

Perhaps you should answer the questions before "urging" anyone, especially those who have already, over months, offered REAL SOLUTIONS to this project's problems? Or get them answered if you don't know how... Here we go again: Is the new tech James is bringing to VRC, the already mentioned Decentralized cloud storage feature?. Assuming it is,  which are the selling points of such feature, target market? Finally, is there something else going on the tech side of things -which is not yet another wallet, ok?-?

Now, right or wrong -in your estimation, of course-, both Lupin and UK, both of whom I disagree in many aspects, mind you- have offered here, repeatedly, ideas and solutions for VRC. Specific ones, including ones than imply significant and undeserved leaps of faith. Besides that, I have also been the FIRST full supporter of the let's call it "James alliance", expressing several times that only good, on the tech side and on the price side, could come off it, since we were at bottom and heading rock bottom. We are back there again after the James round-trip so to speak. Still, in spite of what the market is telling you, it seems we continue going in the wrong direction... I would understand persisting on it if it was working, but it isn't! And I am the first to admit that the factors pointed out by Maddie, above, are a reality, but that doesn't change the overall fact that we may not make it to the timeline of the Supernet.

My suggestion, at this point, is back to the drawing board. We tried, it worked like magic in the very short term but there's no time for patience, this is crypto and we are running out of options. Not James, he's loaded already. Us. VRC. He can be patient; we cannot afford to. So we tried, it worked and quickly stopped working. If it takes another 5 months to join Supernet, VRC may have been easily delisted by then after trading for a few satoshis on no volume, even if 20 million coins are staking. Been there, done that. We need a reaction. And a reaction can be provoked by going back to plan A, the initial one. Definitely not going toward a future with cloud storage of child pornography and documentation on sex slave trade and selling of body parts, ok? If tere's no other option, option out of Supernet. If there's an acceptable one, one that brings us back to the path of compliance with laws, adopt that one and go ahead, otherwise, jump out of the whole enchilada. Again: It isn't working. And if it is not going to work, why even be on that train that puts VRC on the opposite side of, for instance, NAUT, which will be in total compliance when the law demands it?

No, I'm not flip-flopping; I'm recognizing that the "James effect" has fully disappeared and we stand, as of now and with the information provided, to gain nothing and to lose a lot if we remain on board. These are FACTS, market facts, ok? not opinion. If James wants our window to be the front door of the Supernet, fine and dandy, but on our CLEAN terms. Or not at all. Do not sell out for nothing!

Constructive enough? Your turn...
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October 24, 2014, 11:10:35 PM
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you are asking why people would use decentralized cloud storage instead of centralized clouds owned by company x?
why the hell are people using bitcoin?

child pornography, body parts,organs and slavetrade, the same thing you can get with bitcoin right now in the darkweb i guess (atleast i assume after reading your and lupins post - what the heck are you people doing on the internet Huh)

sorry barabbas but these are all strawman arguments....

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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.

Perhaps you should answer the questions before "urging" anyone, especially those who have already, over months, offered REAL SOLUTIONS to this project's problems? Or get them answered if you don't know how... Here we go again: Is the new tech James is bringing to VRC, the already mentioned Decentralized cloud storage feature?. Assuming it is,  which are the selling points of such feature, target market? Finally, is there something else going on the tech side of things -which is not yet another wallet, ok?-?

Now, right or wrong -in your estimation, of course-, both Lupin and UK, both of whom I disagree in many aspects, mind you- have offered here, repeatedly, ideas and solutions for VRC. Specific ones, including ones than imply significant and undeserved leaps of faith. Besides that, I have also been the FIRST full supporter of the let's call it "James alliance", expressing several times that only good, on the tech side and on the price side, could come off it, since we were at bottom and heading rock bottom. We are back there again after the James round-trip so to speak. Still, in spite of what the market is telling you, it seems we continue going in the wrong direction... I would understand persisting on it if it was working, but it isn't! And I am the first to admit that the factors pointed out by Maddie, above, are a reality, but that doesn't change the overall fact that we may not make it to the timeline of the Supernet.

My suggestion, at this point, is back to the drawing board. We tried, it worked like magic in the very short term but there's no time for patience, this is crypto and we are running out of options. Not James, he's loaded already. Us. VRC. He can be patient; we cannot afford to. So we tried, it worked and quickly stopped working. If it takes another 5 months to join Supernet, VRC may have been easily delisted by then after trading for a few satoshis on no volume, even if 20 million coins are staking. Been there, done that. We need a reaction. And a reaction can be provoked by going back to plan A, the initial one. Definitely not going toward a future with cloud storage of child pornography and documentation on sex slave trade and selling of body parts, ok? If tere's no other option, option out of Supernet. If there's an acceptable one, one that brings us back to the path of compliance with laws, adopt that one and go ahead, otherwise, jump out of the whole enchilada. Again: It isn't working. And if it is not going to work, why even be on that train that puts VRC on the opposite side of, for instance, NAUT, which will be in total compliance when the law demands it?

No, I'm not flip-flopping; I'm recognizing that the "James effect" has fully disappeared and we stand, as of now and with the information provided, to gain nothing and to lose a lot if we remain on board. These are FACTS, market facts, ok? not opinion. If James wants our window to be the front door of the Supernet, fine and dandy, but on our CLEAN terms. Or not at all. Do not sell out for nothing!

Constructive enough? Your turn...
well thanks for your opinion...unfortunately you always think your right ,but 90%+ of the community doesn't agree with you and are actually happy with the direction vericoin is taking... you can criticize everyone for not agreeing with u all you want since its what u do best, but where not backing out of what we as a community have decided to do just because the price hasn't gone exactly the way you would like... Funny how as soon as the price goes down a little your right back to work with all the answers .... there can be many reasons why the price is low , maybe when supernet decided they will invest 100btc in vrc they also decided they didn't want to pay 15k... maybe they wanted to pay 9k... who knows and it doesn't matter cause work is being done always ,community is woking hard and great deals are being done and organized (supernet,archcoin) after everything vrc went through the amount of work and determination is unreal especially with all the negative BS they have to put up with at the same time, stop saying u and your 2 minions have come up with solutions and ideas and DO something... you want to help then help with action not text... but my honest opinion is you should go and create your own coin since you have all the answers , see how that goes ... OK? Wink


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October 24, 2014, 11:44:08 PM
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you are asking why people would use decentralized cloud storage instead of centralized clouds owned by company x?
why the hell are people using bitcoin?

child pornography, body parts,organs and slavetrade, the same thing you can get with bitcoin right now in the darkweb i guess (atleast i assume after reading your and lupins post - what the heck are you people doing on the internet Huh)

sorry barabbas but these are all strawman arguments....

Wait a minute, are you trying to say that people use the internet ONLY OR MOSTLY for illegal activities such as the ones mentioned? Or to purchase stuff like that with Bitcoins? I surely must have misunderstood you there...

Regardless, the point is that, since going in the direction of DECENTRALIZATION, doesn't bring VRC ANY benefit whatsoever, why do it? Simple enough, isn't it? Not in price, not in innovation, none whatsoever.

On a personal note, since you asked, I use the internet for everything, from research to communication, from shopping to promotion, from entertainment to trading, from news to political activism... Everything. Everything LEGAL. I don't have ANY use whatsoever for the "darkweb" nor I want to be involved with it in any way, shape or form. And I use BTC all the time for trading and, for instance, to purchase stuff from Overstock.com, but mostly as a -so far quite misguided- storage of value... Now you have piqued my curiosity, what do yo do on the internet?Huh
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.

Perhaps you should answer the questions before "urging" anyone, especially those who have already, over months, offered REAL SOLUTIONS to this project's problems? Or get them answered if you don't know how... Here we go again: Is the new tech James is bringing to VRC, the already mentioned Decentralized cloud storage feature?. Assuming it is,  which are the selling points of such feature, target market? Finally, is there something else going on the tech side of things -which is not yet another wallet, ok?-?

Now, right or wrong -in your estimation, of course-, both Lupin and UK, both of whom I disagree in many aspects, mind you- have offered here, repeatedly, ideas and solutions for VRC. Specific ones, including ones than imply significant and undeserved leaps of faith. Besides that, I have also been the FIRST full supporter of the let's call it "James alliance", expressing several times that only good, on the tech side and on the price side, could come off it, since we were at bottom and heading rock bottom. We are back there again after the James round-trip so to speak. Still, in spite of what the market is telling you, it seems we continue going in the wrong direction... I would understand persisting on it if it was working, but it isn't! And I am the first to admit that the factors pointed out by Maddie, above, are a reality, but that doesn't change the overall fact that we may not make it to the timeline of the Supernet.

My suggestion, at this point, is back to the drawing board. We tried, it worked like magic in the very short term but there's no time for patience, this is crypto and we are running out of options. Not James, he's loaded already. Us. VRC. He can be patient; we cannot afford to. So we tried, it worked and quickly stopped working. If it takes another 5 months to join Supernet, VRC may have been easily delisted by then after trading for a few satoshis on no volume, even if 20 million coins are staking. Been there, done that. We need a reaction. And a reaction can be provoked by going back to plan A, the initial one. Definitely not going toward a future with cloud storage of child pornography and documentation on sex slave trade and selling of body parts, ok? If tere's no other option, option out of Supernet. If there's an acceptable one, one that brings us back to the path of compliance with laws, adopt that one and go ahead, otherwise, jump out of the whole enchilada. Again: It isn't working. And if it is not going to work, why even be on that train that puts VRC on the opposite side of, for instance, NAUT, which will be in total compliance when the law demands it?

No, I'm not flip-flopping; I'm recognizing that the "James effect" has fully disappeared and we stand, as of now and with the information provided, to gain nothing and to lose a lot if we remain on board. These are FACTS, market facts, ok? not opinion. If James wants our window to be the front door of the Supernet, fine and dandy, but on our CLEAN terms. Or not at all. Do not sell out for nothing!

Constructive enough? Your turn...
well thanks for your opinion...unfortunately you always think your right ,but 90%+ of the community doesn't agree with you and are actually happy with the direction vericoin is taking... you can criticize everyone for not agreeing with u all you want since its what u do best, but where not backing out of what we as a community have decided to do just because the price hasn't gone exactly the way you would like... Funny how as soon as the price goes down a little your right back to work with all the answers .... there can be many reasons why the price is low , maybe when supernet decided they will invest 100btc in vrc they also decided they didn't want to pay 15k... maybe they wanted to pay 9k... who knows and it doesn't matter cause work is being done always ,community is woking hard and great deals are being done and organized (supernet,archcoin) after everything vrc went through the amount of work and determination is unreal especially with all the negative BS they have to put up with at the same time, stop saying u and your 2 minions have come up with solutions and ideas and DO something... you want to help then help with action not text... but my honest opinion is you should go and create your own coin since you have all the answers , see how that goes ... OK? Wink

Although the only input from you I'd ever be interested in would be if I should choose a 32-32 or a 32-34 size, I will entertain your obviously drunken dabble just this one time: If the community don't like my ideas, that's fine and dandy; if the community doesn't like UK's ideas, that's fine and dandy too; if the community doesn't like ANY of the ideas of Lupin, or the others that have offered for months, that's strange, but fine and dandy too. But then we have to come down to what is it that is being done INSTEAD? And the answer to that question was, before James, NOTHING AT ALL WHATSOEVER. Most particularly, nothing right or that otherwise worked, be it the VISA card "deal", the VeriSMS or any of the other ridiculous stuff that brought Vericoin to the brink of extinction, alright? So if for "Vericoin community" you first mean Wizrig and the stooges, we are talking a very small group of even more limited people... that happen to be the one's determining the direction of the project. You may add the closest cheerleaders, such as socal, kevondo and scott, the three of whom have personal hobbies to foment -and hopefully (for them) benefit from kissing repeatedly the asses, no matter how wrong, of the stooges. I'm not trying to be offensive, for I love the real stooges, but it is a shorthand for three guys that do not know where to go and go around like a headless hen, ok?

Are those people the community of VRC? It certainly seemed so... until Johnny Come lately, very very whatever, appeared calling everyone like he knew them since childhood and spewing third-rate Tony Robbins shit here. So now we have 7 in the half dozen that poses as "The VRC community". I know those are not recoverable to reason, they are committed way beyond that already, but there are others. Serious investors that saw on VRC a possibility in the beginning and somehow still believe this ship's path can be straightened... mostly wishful thinking, granted, or at least hoping for a second chance at 15 to get the hell out of Dodge for good. Can you do anything about it? Put it on the table and buy your right to silence them/us. Otherwise, go back to your patio to keep on with the pom-poms while the price disintegrates again, ok?

Entertainment with you, over and out for you are so irrelevant, so meaningless that you are practically  non existent (but any offer around 15k will be entertained, business is business).
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October 25, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
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you are asking why people would use decentralized cloud storage instead of centralized clouds owned by company x?
why the hell are people using bitcoin?

child pornography, body parts,organs and slavetrade, the same thing you can get with bitcoin right now in the darkweb i guess (atleast i assume after reading your and lupins post - what the heck are you people doing on the internet Huh)

sorry barabbas but these are all strawman arguments....

Wait a minute, are you trying to say that people use the internet ONLY OR MOSTLY for illegal activities such as the ones mentioned? Or to purchase stuff like that with Bitcoins? I surely must have misunderstood you there...

Regardless, the point is that, since going in the direction of DECENTRALIZATION, doesn't bring VRC ANY benefit whatsoever, why do it? Simple enough, isn't it? Not in price, not in innovation, none whatsoever.

On a personal note, since you asked, I use the internet for everything, from research to communication, from shopping to promotion, from entertainment to trading, from news to political activism... Everything. Everything LEGAL. I don't have ANY use whatsoever for the "darkweb" nor I want to be involved with it in any way, shape or form. And I use BTC all the time for trading and, for instance, to purchase stuff from Overstock.com, but mostly as a -so far quite misguided- storage of value... Now you have piqued my curiosity, what do yo do on the internet?Huh


see thats exactly my point - the majority of users are normal people like you and me, they dont do illegal stuff.
the same reason why bitcoin will succeed even though you always hear the argument that it is a drug/darkweb currency.

decentralized cloud storage is very innovative if it can be as or more efficient then centralized solutions and on top of that you have the transparency that there is nobody spying on you.
this will be especially important for companys (economic espionage). But before you call me out on hyping something, the code will be opensource and by then we will know for sure if it is a "game changer" or not.

for example, i know of 3 projects with the goal of a decentralized cloud storage, but theres not much (visible) process going on, eta 2015+.
they have together several millions in marketcap - there is for sure interest in decentralized cloud storage.




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October 25, 2014, 12:13:50 AM
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AltCoinUK and Barabbas:

I could rattle off a list of things I have done to help VeriCoin but that's never been my style.
*I've also never asked for a single donation either.

Instead I'd rather write a short list of things that I had NOTHING to do with.

1. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with Moolah.
2. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with CoinSis.
3. I Skyped with Wizrig ONCE only to get his side of the story. We are not "friends" - but he's certainly not my "enemy" whatsoever. *Never met the dude.

- I don't program. If I did... I would certainly be using that talent to help VeriCoin.
- Neither of you came up with the idea of creating a DeCentralized Exchange. That's on EVERY LEGIT alt coin Devs mind. It's simply not EASY to just... do.
- You're a programmer? Good - get to coding a DeCentralized Exchange. Can't wait to experience it.

I've found success in other areas - mainly in the entertainment industry but also in marketing.

I was the owner/operator of www.GiantStarRecords.com - A professional recording studio in Calgary that focused mostly on Hip Hop.
*It's been closed since 2012 and I now live in Florida.

I have nothing to hide. I don't feel that I've done anything "detrimental" to VeriCoin - the brand or community.
In fact - quite the opposite. Only a few know what I've done - mainly the Devs - and they've been appreciative of it.

There are many things we're all working on... aside from the SuperNET DeCentralized Cloud Storage feature, revamping the VeriLeader Program and "BitVeri".
Plus much, MUCH more. But I digress.

Don't call me a "scammer". I have nothing but the greatest intentions for this coin and when it eventually hits $1.15/share - without a "pump"... I hope you'll reconsider your opinion.

This isn't going to happen overnight. Or over a week or a month. We're here for the Long Term. Not "Crypto" Long Term... long term LONG TERM.
I've put aside the next five years of my life to make this happen in the ways that I know how.

Right now you may sneer at $1.15/share... seems ridiculous. I know.
But as it stands... with the features it has... VeriCoin is a MUCH better, more useful Digital Currency than BitCoin.

That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Think about it.

BitCoin has "first mover" advantage - by a large amount - but VeriBit automatically levels the playing field.

The near term problems we face are:

1. General Awareness in the Public Sector - We need to raise awareness about the INDUSTRY/CATEGORY (as a WHOLE) - not just VeriCoin itself.
2. General Awareness in the Merchant Sector - Same as the above with the only difference being in how we market the benefits of VeriCoin vs Fiat etc.
3. Differentiation in the Current Market - We need to be the most useable coin there is. Period. That goes for average consumers as well as the Crypto demographic.

We are attempting to address these issues and obvious pain points but IT WILL... take time.

Any and all help from the core VeriCoin Community is more than welcome but what we don't need is conspiracy theories and relentless, unfounded criticism.

I'm not sure what else to say.
We all know that once $VRC hits a certain price point - you 2 or 3 individuals are going to dump it.

We're prepared for that and will keep marching forward regardless - with or without you.

Until then... bag hold and help us out or just... bag hold.

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