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October 16, 2014, 02:56:16 AM
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Are you done argueing with yourself on the internets?  Did you win?  Awesome job and the profanity too...you showed them.  You keep your opinions and I'll stick with facts.  Still waiting for how Kev is putting himself in the communities shoes while I and Pat and James and everyone else who donated and then voted their shares are not.  It's your claim, so defend it and not just hide behind your current tactic of name calling and profanity.

Showed them lol I was talking to you. You were talking to the DENSE community when you started
You should be ashamed of yourself Kev is like a grandpa, instead of reasoning and talking to him you said what you said.
Yea thats what I thought, you suck those dev nutz.
This was already settled over 20 pages ago by James himself and there was much reasoning back then just as I laid out now because it was surprisingly brought up yet again by Kev even though he donated nothing.  Now kindly stop your use of profane words on the forum and argue like a man instead of a little boy.

What was settled ? The fact that your first response to Kevondo was childish and instead of explaining calmly what Kevondo may not understand about the deal or you may feel he has wrong ... you call him DENSE and then go on and on.

I am sorry do you not like when people like me speak to you, the way you did to him ?

I gave 50% of my coin the second time around. The only thing I am saying is that the way it was handled was confusing and more people would of donated if people who understood would of explained it to the people that did not.
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October 16, 2014, 03:06:09 AM
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...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...
Well that spells it all right there.  Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via  simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over  VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"

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October 16, 2014, 03:10:10 AM
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The weighted voting issue.  Kev wanted 1 vote per account and James reminded him that his gift back to us is based on weighted share ownership of the actual coins, because anything less is clearly grossly unfair and also prone to manipulation.  But he has continued to bring it up to this day here and on the vericoinforums.  So you are saying that because I am supposed to know he is older than me, I am supposed to then acquiesce to his unhealthy and unfair repetitive demands when they have already been settled both in theory by James and in practicality by Patrick?  This is your claim.
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October 16, 2014, 03:17:37 AM
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The weighted voting issue.  Kev wanted 1 vote per account and James reminded him that his gift back to us is based on weighted share ownership of the actual coins, because anything less is clearly grossly unfair and also prone to manipulation.  But he has continued to bring it up to this day here and on the vericoinforums.  So you are saying that because I am supposed to know he is older than me, I am supposed to then acquiesce to his unhealthy and unfair repetitive demands when they have already been settled both in theory by James and in practicality by Patrick?  This is your claim.

This is the issue. Things aren't settled by individuals in a Democracy. Everyone gets a an equal Vote in a Democracy.

No "one" person or persons can dictate to the community in a Democracy.

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October 16, 2014, 03:18:43 AM
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...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...
Well that spells it all right there.  Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via  simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over  VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"

Well there you go, now drk respond with something a little more intelligent then just calling people DENSE. .......and sucking the devs nutz ROFL
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October 16, 2014, 03:20:52 AM
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...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...
Well that spells it all right there.  Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via  simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over  VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"
Kev, unfortunately your system of voting and ownership will not achieve what you wish.  It's like saying that if you own 1 bitcoin, you have the right to own another guys 1 million bitcoins.  Or Like buying 1 share of facebook with 10,000 different accounts and then claiming that you should be the owner of Facebook because there are only 9,000 other shareholders (in your scenario Zuckerberg only gets 1 share vote on the direction of Facebook and thus is no longer the owner of Facebook).  It is not only grossly unfair but anyone could create multiple wallets and accounts and get leveraged voting power for their own interests.  The only fair way to vote is via the blockchain itself.  Each coin is its own vote there can be no other fair way and everyone understands this except for the Island of Kevondo and his foul mouthed helper named lootz.
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October 16, 2014, 03:23:58 AM
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Hey all!

I just wanted to remind everyone that we have great, new forums at www.VeriCoinForums.com

It's a much more pleasant experience and provides a platform for anyone interested in or already invested in VeriCoin to carry out the discussions they deem important.

Also feel free to have a look at the new VeriCoin Interview with Krypto Kings. Featuring Doug and myself. Smiley

You can find that here ---> http://youtu.be/Vjd8E7pIAKw

Thank you to the entire Community for stepping up and doing what they can to help VeriCoin be the absolute best Crypto Currency there is!

There's nothing quite like idealism.

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October 16, 2014, 03:34:06 AM
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...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...
Well that spells it all right there.  Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via  simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over  VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"
Kev, unfortunately your system of voting and ownership will not achieve what you wish.  It's like saying that if you own 1 bitcoin, you have the right to own another guys 1 million bitcoins.  Or Like buying 1 share of facebook with 10,000 different accounts and then claiming that you should be the owner of Facebook because there are only 9,000 other shareholders (in your scenario Zuckerberg only gets 1 share vote on the direction of Facebook and thus is no longer the owner of Facebook).  It is not only grossly unfair but anyone could create multiple wallets and accounts and get leveraged voting power for their own interests.  The only fair way to vote is via the blockchain itself.  Each coin is its own vote there can be no other fair way and everyone understands this except for the Island of Kevondo and his foul mouthed helper named lootz.

I personally believe that Kev's method is correct if it can be done legitimately without people being able to scrutinize the system. Your method is wrong because any whale can take the whole voting system down. But you know what I am tired and drk has a rite to his own opinion as does Kev. Just one more time.....because I am having so much fun.... hey drk how do those nutz taste.... ROFL Thats it im going back to www.VeriCoinForums.com where people know who each other are and speak to each other with respect. Although I had a great time ROFL nibble nibble nibble oh yes you like that blockcahin dont you..oh man night night
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October 16, 2014, 03:39:11 AM
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The worlds next Democratic Democracy will be its 1st Democratic Democracy. I don't mean that people should give up on Democracy, just how much of a challenge must be meet to achieve it.

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October 16, 2014, 03:45:21 AM
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The worlds next Democratic Democracy will be its 1st Democratic Democracy. I don't mean that people should give up on Democracy, just how much of a challenge must be meet to achieve it.

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Let's start it here! LOL!

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October 16, 2014, 03:47:11 AM
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...MOST people have no idea what a weighted vote is including myself...
Well that spells it all right there.  Next time look it up before typing and before accusing our Dev of not having the community in mind when he proposed it and me or anyone else who voted their weight to buy into the SuperNET.

DRKman you are correct James gave the VeriCoin Escrow account to the community and stated he wanted a weighted Vote on how it was to be used.

That's how James wanted it. That doesn't mean the VeriCoin community has to use that form of Voting.

It's my understanding VeriCoins' mission is the "Democratisation of Money", via  simplied, universal useage leading to mass adoption of VRC's use as a currency in real world transactions.

"Weighted" voting is the antheisis of Democracy. It would allow for a Whale to take over  VeriCoin and it's direction by Donating a total of VRC that trumped the amount other members could muster.

Lobbyist and Special Interest groups make a mockery of American Democracy. Weighted Voting does the same thing.

Oppressive regimes dictate to the people they lord over with the weight of the powers they wield.

The work of creating a organisation which is directed Democratically may be a pipe dream. I belive it's worth pursing and that it's the same page Satoshi is on.

If the mission of VeriCoin is to be attained it will require adopting a mindset "One person. One Vote"
Kev, unfortunately your system of voting and ownership will not achieve what you wish.  It's like saying that if you own 1 bitcoin, you have the right to own another guys 1 million bitcoins.  Or Like buying 1 share of facebook with 10,000 different accounts and then claiming that you should be the owner of Facebook because there are only 9,000 other shareholders (in your scenario Zuckerberg only gets 1 share vote on the direction of Facebook and thus is no longer the owner of Facebook).  It is not only grossly unfair but anyone could create multiple wallets and accounts and get leveraged voting power for their own interests.  The only fair way to vote is via the blockchain itself.  Each coin is its own vote there can be no other fair way and everyone understands this except for the Island of Kevondo and his foul mouthed helper named lootz.

Face Book isn't a Democracy,

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October 16, 2014, 03:50:01 AM
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Yeah like you really know what is actually happening behind the scenes, knew you were still around there buddy.  You got an inside track on what's going on behind the scenes that nobody but the Devs has?  Seriously would like to know what you got.  I think you got something with that Bro though, seriously thinking about putting some down on that in a few days.  Thanks for the info.

I only care about ehats going on behind the scenes when somrghing ends up coming out and showing ON THE SCENES. Nothing has nor will here, except James.

Do your research in BRO. And be prepared because it is going to be really highly priced.
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October 16, 2014, 08:51:52 AM
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roadmap looking good for this coin. I like the stability of the price also, you know it will not be dumped to 2200 like XST as it is a true value at the moment and can only go up.
It usually floats between 9K and 11K so buying now is smart I think.



Yeah really GREAT looking roadmap,  looks very much like the I/OCoin one. We are more ahead on our developments also. Smiley
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October 16, 2014, 09:57:54 AM
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roadmap looking good for this coin. I like the stability of the price also, you know it will not be dumped to 2200 like XST as it is a true value at the moment and can only go up.
It usually floats between 9K and 11K so buying now is smart I think.



Yeah really GREAT looking roadmap,  looks very much like the I/OCoin one. We are more ahead on our developments also. Smiley

The main attribute of a roadmap is that the viewer assumes there is a progress in the project - that's why there are the progress indicator percentages next to each tasks. In that sense and from progress viewpoint the VRC roadmap is nothing more than a lie. There is no progress whatsoever in this project, e.g. the whitepaper, anon features and all other items are exactly at the same point as they were 2 months ago. It gives the impression for bagholders and potential investors that a software development is going on at VRC, which is obviously couldn't be further from the truth.

I suggest stop circulating this deceiving marketing item and stop misleading existing bagholders and potential investors by giving the impression that the 2 PhD students and one MS developer develop anything.
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October 16, 2014, 02:10:59 PM
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Why don't you just chill out AltcoinUK and come back when there is some news you actually agree with and like?  Why put yourself through the misery of this day to day coming here if you're not getting what you want?  Like I said to Barabbas, you don't know what is being done behind the scenes and nobody else besides the Devs does either so either contribute something other than this daily rubbish or chill out and wait like the rest of us.  Seriously getting old but I do still come here for the entertainment.  

For those that are looking for more than just daily entertainment, come on by.


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October 16, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
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Maybe the devs should make some updates on devlopment more often.  I mean compared to many other coins, this one often seems like there ist no development going on, its always "behind the scenes". And this is no fud ....  

Other coins are right about shooting in the Top30 and i dont see vericoin holding its postion atm.
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October 16, 2014, 02:39:22 PM
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I read a few threads and I've noticed that many Dev's are not very active unless someone posts a tech issue. Then there allover it like white on rice. I think most Dev's are to busy doing Dev's stuff,like working on tech

and stuff to spend all there time hanging around threads. The coins I've seen where the Dev's are the most active of all posters on the thread, don't seem to do very well. IMO

That being said there is nothing like a heads up to let everyone know that progress is being made even if it's happening slowly

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October 16, 2014, 04:17:18 PM
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Why don't you just chill out AltcoinUK and come back when there is some news you actually agree with and like?  Why put yourself through the misery of this day to day coming here if you're not getting what you want.  Like I said to Barabbas, you don't know what is being done behind the scenes and nobody else besides the Devs does either so either contribute something other than this daily rubbish or chill out and wait like the rest of us.  Seriously getting old but I do still come here for the entertainment. 

For those that are looking for more than just daily entertainment, come on by.


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Well, actually I know what is being done behind the scenes and I am willing to share that valuable information with you right now: behind the scenes being done absolutely nothing.
I know this because when anything, even the lamest and most nonsensical thing is being worked on behind the scenes we will know about that immediately from the devs via posts, tweets, and then the cheerleaders are getting super excited saying that history being made behind the scenes - see the lamest idea ever, the VISA card that was hyped well before the actual announcement. So I can assure you, if anything would happen, even a smallest possible development like the first character in a menu item of the wallet UI is about tho change, then we would know about it immediately.

Anyway, don't worry about me, it is not a misery nor excitement for me, I am - as a long time fan and bagholder of the coin - just stating the facts here.

 
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October 16, 2014, 04:26:41 PM
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Appreciate your response and sorry you feel that way.  The only thing any of us can do is sit back and wait unfortunately unless you have something more to contribute since the Devs aren't working fast enough for you.  Certainly not being productive in any way whining about how things should be.  We are all in the same boat here.  These Devs have been on this ride with us from the beginning and are still here unlike a lot of coins out there so I'd have to say that is definitely a plus.
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October 16, 2014, 04:54:18 PM
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Appreciate your response and sorry you feel that way.  The only thing any of us can do is sit back and wait unfortunately unless you have something more to contribute since the Devs aren't working fast enough for you.  Certainly not being productive in any way whining about how things should be.  We are all in the same boat here.  These Devs have been on this ride with us from the beginning and are still here unlike a lot of coins out there so I'd have to say that is definitely a plus.

No need to feel sorry as nothing bad happened. As I said earlier VRC is the worst investment of the year, but in the investment basket naturally must be 1-2 bad investments as well - the bad investment happened to be Vericoin, this disappointing, stagnating, absolutely no progress coin. Since my investment in VRC is minor (compared to my other investments) I can manage the loss of this bad investment, but it's still worth discussing developments and most of the cases lack of developments here.

I wouldn't characterize the being around of devs as a plus - I think it is an absolute must. Since the devs came forward with the capable, competent, transparent professional team image, this  - the devs being around -  is the least investors could expect. If they wouldn't be around then it would be a straight forward scam. It is unfortunate that the devs could not fulfill the rest of expectations and made this coin a failure and very poor investment.

And yes, the devs aren't working fast enough. Also, I have been contributing more than the cheerleader brigade combined as at least I have been talking about topics that matters and contributing nothing to the nonsensical cheerleader hurrahing, so I hope you appreciate my contribution to the VRC process.

What I could agree on with you, that nothing to do, lets wait and see what's happening. (The mass adoption fantasy of the devs and certain vocal cheerleaders is not a rational initiative, so don't even suggest to work on that please)
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