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October 24, 2014, 07:32:35 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


So your saying that "You" associate a decentralized encrypted cloud storage with deepweb naughty stuff?

I'm sorry but you do realize that a large portion of Bitcoin is used in annoymous transactions on the darkweb! But also a large portion of Bitcoin transactions are used for legitimate use. Soooo Bitcoin is bad because it can be used for illegal stuff?

OK Roll Eyes

There are currently 10-15+ Cloud Storage company's in the world right now...currently none are decentralized. How many of these cloud storage drives being used for illegal content, probably a far amount. But there is more then that amount of data being used for legal content too. There is only two decentralized cloud storage products being developed on block chain technology storj.io and syndicatedrive.com. Only storj.io will be accepting crypto currency as payment. This will be the future and competition will be welcomed and will be needed!

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October 24, 2014, 07:59:01 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


So your saying that "You" associate a decentralized encrypted cloud storage with deepweb naughty stuff?

I'm sorry but you do realize that a large portion of Bitcoin is used in annoymous transactions on the darkweb! But also a large portion of Bitcoin transactions are used for legitimate use. Soooo Bitcoin is bad because it can be used for illegal stuff?

OK Roll Eyes

There are currently 10-15+ Cloud Storage company's in the world right now...currently none are decentralized. How many of these cloud storage drives being used for illegal content, probably a far amount. But there is more then that amount of data being used for legal content too. There is only two decentralized cloud storage products being developed on block chain technology storj.io and syndicatedrive.com. Only storj.io will be accepting crypto currency as payment. This will be the future and competition will be welcomed and will be needed!


don't bother with the trolls MAD945 Wink its always the same old sappy story.... i come here to be amused with their creativeness on fud ,its actually entertaining Smiley no where else do you see the so called "whales" crying like little babies yet they never abandon the coin Wink its great to see them either in pain from the lack of profits they can manipulate or scramble for anything to bash the coin cause its their job..either or is hilarious and cringe worthy...

Keep up the entertainment lupin, barabbas and altcoinUK...
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October 24, 2014, 08:16:47 PM
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Trying out the in-wallet "buy VRC" function... litebit.eu
Bug report:
The radio buttons (payment method, male-female, ...) are jumping around without clicks, just by mouse-over.  
VRC v1.4.1.1-g32a928e on windows7sp1
Pls update to the newest wallet 1.4.1.2 should be the download on the website www.vericoin.info , just install on the top of it.

Thanks a lot! In the process of downloading it.


>  download on the website www.vericoin.info
--> http://www.vericoin.info/downloads/VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe

BUT that IS STILL CALLED VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe  Embarrassed  
- PLEASE change names when incrementing versions.  If I had seen there is a new version, I would have tried that first, of course.

Also, please consider to use the alert service inside the protocol, to announce new versions --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566164  (last 2 lines "EDIT: ...") Thanks.


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--> http://www.vericoin.info/downloads/VeriCoin_1.4.1.exe
Just installed it.

No, it's still the same version, sorry

Inside the wallet: v1.4.1.1-g32a928e
vericoin-qt.exe Properties --> Product version: 1.4.1.0  Date modified: 30/09/2014 02:02



If on windows uninstall first, in remove programs, then install. It seems you may need to reload the block as well.  www.vericoin.info/downloads/bootstrap.dat
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October 24, 2014, 08:22:34 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.
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October 24, 2014, 08:41:29 PM
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Any reason for to current drop in price ?
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October 24, 2014, 09:16:52 PM
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Any reason for to current drop in price ?


Bitcoin Price Drop = Altcoin Price Drop  Tongue

Alts are sea of red right now and have been for awhile...lack of liquidity and new money!

Altcon, Babs and Arss Lupoon will ring in with their positions...queue negative rant!
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October 24, 2014, 09:25:10 PM
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Any reason for to current drop in price ?


Bitcoin Price Drop = Altcoin Price Drop  Tongue

Alts are sea of red right now...lack of liquidity and new money!

While, strangely, Maddie has a couple points there, although not all coins are affected. NAUT for instance, has been doing quite well recently. Others too. VRC's malady of late is due to the lack of real expectations of better things to come and, obviously, the mehh reception of the cloud project with James... which is very significant considering VRC has nothing else going for it.

But Maddie's points are also factors, no question about that.
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October 24, 2014, 10:47:50 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.

Perhaps you should answer the questions before "urging" anyone, especially those who have already, over months, offered REAL SOLUTIONS to this project's problems? Or get them answered if you don't know how... Here we go again: Is the new tech James is bringing to VRC, the already mentioned Decentralized cloud storage feature?. Assuming it is,  which are the selling points of such feature, target market? Finally, is there something else going on the tech side of things -which is not yet another wallet, ok?-?

Now, right or wrong -in your estimation, of course-, both Lupin and UK, both of whom I disagree in many aspects, mind you- have offered here, repeatedly, ideas and solutions for VRC. Specific ones, including ones than imply significant and undeserved leaps of faith. Besides that, I have also been the FIRST full supporter of the let's call it "James alliance", expressing several times that only good, on the tech side and on the price side, could come off it, since we were at bottom and heading rock bottom. We are back there again after the James round-trip so to speak. Still, in spite of what the market is telling you, it seems we continue going in the wrong direction... I would understand persisting on it if it was working, but it isn't! And I am the first to admit that the factors pointed out by Maddie, above, are a reality, but that doesn't change the overall fact that we may not make it to the timeline of the Supernet.

My suggestion, at this point, is back to the drawing board. We tried, it worked like magic in the very short term but there's no time for patience, this is crypto and we are running out of options. Not James, he's loaded already. Us. VRC. He can be patient; we cannot afford to. So we tried, it worked and quickly stopped working. If it takes another 5 months to join Supernet, VRC may have been easily delisted by then after trading for a few satoshis on no volume, even if 20 million coins are staking. Been there, done that. We need a reaction. And a reaction can be provoked by going back to plan A, the initial one. Definitely not going toward a future with cloud storage of child pornography and documentation on sex slave trade and selling of body parts, ok? If tere's no other option, option out of Supernet. If there's an acceptable one, one that brings us back to the path of compliance with laws, adopt that one and go ahead, otherwise, jump out of the whole enchilada. Again: It isn't working. And if it is not going to work, why even be on that train that puts VRC on the opposite side of, for instance, NAUT, which will be in total compliance when the law demands it?

No, I'm not flip-flopping; I'm recognizing that the "James effect" has fully disappeared and we stand, as of now and with the information provided, to gain nothing and to lose a lot if we remain on board. These are FACTS, market facts, ok? not opinion. If James wants our window to be the front door of the Supernet, fine and dandy, but on our CLEAN terms. Or not at all. Do not sell out for nothing!

Constructive enough? Your turn...
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October 24, 2014, 11:10:35 PM
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you are asking why people would use decentralized cloud storage instead of centralized clouds owned by company x?
why the hell are people using bitcoin?

child pornography, body parts,organs and slavetrade, the same thing you can get with bitcoin right now in the darkweb i guess (atleast i assume after reading your and lupins post - what the heck are you people doing on the internet Huh)

sorry barabbas but these are all strawman arguments....

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October 24, 2014, 11:24:59 PM
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.

Perhaps you should answer the questions before "urging" anyone, especially those who have already, over months, offered REAL SOLUTIONS to this project's problems? Or get them answered if you don't know how... Here we go again: Is the new tech James is bringing to VRC, the already mentioned Decentralized cloud storage feature?. Assuming it is,  which are the selling points of such feature, target market? Finally, is there something else going on the tech side of things -which is not yet another wallet, ok?-?

Now, right or wrong -in your estimation, of course-, both Lupin and UK, both of whom I disagree in many aspects, mind you- have offered here, repeatedly, ideas and solutions for VRC. Specific ones, including ones than imply significant and undeserved leaps of faith. Besides that, I have also been the FIRST full supporter of the let's call it "James alliance", expressing several times that only good, on the tech side and on the price side, could come off it, since we were at bottom and heading rock bottom. We are back there again after the James round-trip so to speak. Still, in spite of what the market is telling you, it seems we continue going in the wrong direction... I would understand persisting on it if it was working, but it isn't! And I am the first to admit that the factors pointed out by Maddie, above, are a reality, but that doesn't change the overall fact that we may not make it to the timeline of the Supernet.

My suggestion, at this point, is back to the drawing board. We tried, it worked like magic in the very short term but there's no time for patience, this is crypto and we are running out of options. Not James, he's loaded already. Us. VRC. He can be patient; we cannot afford to. So we tried, it worked and quickly stopped working. If it takes another 5 months to join Supernet, VRC may have been easily delisted by then after trading for a few satoshis on no volume, even if 20 million coins are staking. Been there, done that. We need a reaction. And a reaction can be provoked by going back to plan A, the initial one. Definitely not going toward a future with cloud storage of child pornography and documentation on sex slave trade and selling of body parts, ok? If tere's no other option, option out of Supernet. If there's an acceptable one, one that brings us back to the path of compliance with laws, adopt that one and go ahead, otherwise, jump out of the whole enchilada. Again: It isn't working. And if it is not going to work, why even be on that train that puts VRC on the opposite side of, for instance, NAUT, which will be in total compliance when the law demands it?

No, I'm not flip-flopping; I'm recognizing that the "James effect" has fully disappeared and we stand, as of now and with the information provided, to gain nothing and to lose a lot if we remain on board. These are FACTS, market facts, ok? not opinion. If James wants our window to be the front door of the Supernet, fine and dandy, but on our CLEAN terms. Or not at all. Do not sell out for nothing!

Constructive enough? Your turn...
well thanks for your opinion...unfortunately you always think your right ,but 90%+ of the community doesn't agree with you and are actually happy with the direction vericoin is taking... you can criticize everyone for not agreeing with u all you want since its what u do best, but where not backing out of what we as a community have decided to do just because the price hasn't gone exactly the way you would like... Funny how as soon as the price goes down a little your right back to work with all the answers .... there can be many reasons why the price is low , maybe when supernet decided they will invest 100btc in vrc they also decided they didn't want to pay 15k... maybe they wanted to pay 9k... who knows and it doesn't matter cause work is being done always ,community is woking hard and great deals are being done and organized (supernet,archcoin) after everything vrc went through the amount of work and determination is unreal especially with all the negative BS they have to put up with at the same time, stop saying u and your 2 minions have come up with solutions and ideas and DO something... you want to help then help with action not text... but my honest opinion is you should go and create your own coin since you have all the answers , see how that goes ... OK? Wink
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you are asking why people would use decentralized cloud storage instead of centralized clouds owned by company x?
why the hell are people using bitcoin?

child pornography, body parts,organs and slavetrade, the same thing you can get with bitcoin right now in the darkweb i guess (atleast i assume after reading your and lupins post - what the heck are you people doing on the internet Huh)

sorry barabbas but these are all strawman arguments....

Wait a minute, are you trying to say that people use the internet ONLY OR MOSTLY for illegal activities such as the ones mentioned? Or to purchase stuff like that with Bitcoins? I surely must have misunderstood you there...

Regardless, the point is that, since going in the direction of DECENTRALIZATION, doesn't bring VRC ANY benefit whatsoever, why do it? Simple enough, isn't it? Not in price, not in innovation, none whatsoever.

On a personal note, since you asked, I use the internet for everything, from research to communication, from shopping to promotion, from entertainment to trading, from news to political activism... Everything. Everything LEGAL. I don't have ANY use whatsoever for the "darkweb" nor I want to be involved with it in any way, shape or form. And I use BTC all the time for trading and, for instance, to purchase stuff from Overstock.com, but mostly as a -so far quite misguided- storage of value... Now you have piqued my curiosity, what do yo do on the internet?Huh
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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.

Perhaps you should answer the questions before "urging" anyone, especially those who have already, over months, offered REAL SOLUTIONS to this project's problems? Or get them answered if you don't know how... Here we go again: Is the new tech James is bringing to VRC, the already mentioned Decentralized cloud storage feature?. Assuming it is,  which are the selling points of such feature, target market? Finally, is there something else going on the tech side of things -which is not yet another wallet, ok?-?

Now, right or wrong -in your estimation, of course-, both Lupin and UK, both of whom I disagree in many aspects, mind you- have offered here, repeatedly, ideas and solutions for VRC. Specific ones, including ones than imply significant and undeserved leaps of faith. Besides that, I have also been the FIRST full supporter of the let's call it "James alliance", expressing several times that only good, on the tech side and on the price side, could come off it, since we were at bottom and heading rock bottom. We are back there again after the James round-trip so to speak. Still, in spite of what the market is telling you, it seems we continue going in the wrong direction... I would understand persisting on it if it was working, but it isn't! And I am the first to admit that the factors pointed out by Maddie, above, are a reality, but that doesn't change the overall fact that we may not make it to the timeline of the Supernet.

My suggestion, at this point, is back to the drawing board. We tried, it worked like magic in the very short term but there's no time for patience, this is crypto and we are running out of options. Not James, he's loaded already. Us. VRC. He can be patient; we cannot afford to. So we tried, it worked and quickly stopped working. If it takes another 5 months to join Supernet, VRC may have been easily delisted by then after trading for a few satoshis on no volume, even if 20 million coins are staking. Been there, done that. We need a reaction. And a reaction can be provoked by going back to plan A, the initial one. Definitely not going toward a future with cloud storage of child pornography and documentation on sex slave trade and selling of body parts, ok? If tere's no other option, option out of Supernet. If there's an acceptable one, one that brings us back to the path of compliance with laws, adopt that one and go ahead, otherwise, jump out of the whole enchilada. Again: It isn't working. And if it is not going to work, why even be on that train that puts VRC on the opposite side of, for instance, NAUT, which will be in total compliance when the law demands it?

No, I'm not flip-flopping; I'm recognizing that the "James effect" has fully disappeared and we stand, as of now and with the information provided, to gain nothing and to lose a lot if we remain on board. These are FACTS, market facts, ok? not opinion. If James wants our window to be the front door of the Supernet, fine and dandy, but on our CLEAN terms. Or not at all. Do not sell out for nothing!

Constructive enough? Your turn...
well thanks for your opinion...unfortunately you always think your right ,but 90%+ of the community doesn't agree with you and are actually happy with the direction vericoin is taking... you can criticize everyone for not agreeing with u all you want since its what u do best, but where not backing out of what we as a community have decided to do just because the price hasn't gone exactly the way you would like... Funny how as soon as the price goes down a little your right back to work with all the answers .... there can be many reasons why the price is low , maybe when supernet decided they will invest 100btc in vrc they also decided they didn't want to pay 15k... maybe they wanted to pay 9k... who knows and it doesn't matter cause work is being done always ,community is woking hard and great deals are being done and organized (supernet,archcoin) after everything vrc went through the amount of work and determination is unreal especially with all the negative BS they have to put up with at the same time, stop saying u and your 2 minions have come up with solutions and ideas and DO something... you want to help then help with action not text... but my honest opinion is you should go and create your own coin since you have all the answers , see how that goes ... OK? Wink

Although the only input from you I'd ever be interested in would be if I should choose a 32-32 or a 32-34 size, I will entertain your obviously drunken dabble just this one time: If the community don't like my ideas, that's fine and dandy; if the community doesn't like UK's ideas, that's fine and dandy too; if the community doesn't like ANY of the ideas of Lupin, or the others that have offered for months, that's strange, but fine and dandy too. But then we have to come down to what is it that is being done INSTEAD? And the answer to that question was, before James, NOTHING AT ALL WHATSOEVER. Most particularly, nothing right or that otherwise worked, be it the VISA card "deal", the VeriSMS or any of the other ridiculous stuff that brought Vericoin to the brink of extinction, alright? So if for "Vericoin community" you first mean Wizrig and the stooges, we are talking a very small group of even more limited people... that happen to be the one's determining the direction of the project. You may add the closest cheerleaders, such as socal, kevondo and scott, the three of whom have personal hobbies to foment -and hopefully (for them) benefit from kissing repeatedly the asses, no matter how wrong, of the stooges. I'm not trying to be offensive, for I love the real stooges, but it is a shorthand for three guys that do not know where to go and go around like a headless hen, ok?

Are those people the community of VRC? It certainly seemed so... until Johnny Come lately, very very whatever, appeared calling everyone like he knew them since childhood and spewing third-rate Tony Robbins shit here. So now we have 7 in the half dozen that poses as "The VRC community". I know those are not recoverable to reason, they are committed way beyond that already, but there are others. Serious investors that saw on VRC a possibility in the beginning and somehow still believe this ship's path can be straightened... mostly wishful thinking, granted, or at least hoping for a second chance at 15 to get the hell out of Dodge for good. Can you do anything about it? Put it on the table and buy your right to silence them/us. Otherwise, go back to your patio to keep on with the pom-poms while the price disintegrates again, ok?

Entertainment with you, over and out for you are so irrelevant, so meaningless that you are practically  non existent (but any offer around 15k will be entertained, business is business).
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October 25, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
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you are asking why people would use decentralized cloud storage instead of centralized clouds owned by company x?
why the hell are people using bitcoin?

child pornography, body parts,organs and slavetrade, the same thing you can get with bitcoin right now in the darkweb i guess (atleast i assume after reading your and lupins post - what the heck are you people doing on the internet Huh)

sorry barabbas but these are all strawman arguments....

Wait a minute, are you trying to say that people use the internet ONLY OR MOSTLY for illegal activities such as the ones mentioned? Or to purchase stuff like that with Bitcoins? I surely must have misunderstood you there...

Regardless, the point is that, since going in the direction of DECENTRALIZATION, doesn't bring VRC ANY benefit whatsoever, why do it? Simple enough, isn't it? Not in price, not in innovation, none whatsoever.

On a personal note, since you asked, I use the internet for everything, from research to communication, from shopping to promotion, from entertainment to trading, from news to political activism... Everything. Everything LEGAL. I don't have ANY use whatsoever for the "darkweb" nor I want to be involved with it in any way, shape or form. And I use BTC all the time for trading and, for instance, to purchase stuff from Overstock.com, but mostly as a -so far quite misguided- storage of value... Now you have piqued my curiosity, what do yo do on the internet?Huh


see thats exactly my point - the majority of users are normal people like you and me, they dont do illegal stuff.
the same reason why bitcoin will succeed even though you always hear the argument that it is a drug/darkweb currency.

decentralized cloud storage is very innovative if it can be as or more efficient then centralized solutions and on top of that you have the transparency that there is nobody spying on you.
this will be especially important for companys (economic espionage). But before you call me out on hyping something, the code will be opensource and by then we will know for sure if it is a "game changer" or not.

for example, i know of 3 projects with the goal of a decentralized cloud storage, but theres not much (visible) process going on, eta 2015+.
they have together several millions in marketcap - there is for sure interest in decentralized cloud storage.




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October 25, 2014, 12:13:50 AM
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AltCoinUK and Barabbas:

I could rattle off a list of things I have done to help VeriCoin but that's never been my style.
*I've also never asked for a single donation either.

Instead I'd rather write a short list of things that I had NOTHING to do with.

1. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with Moolah.
2. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with CoinSis.
3. I Skyped with Wizrig ONCE only to get his side of the story. We are not "friends" - but he's certainly not my "enemy" whatsoever. *Never met the dude.

- I don't program. If I did... I would certainly be using that talent to help VeriCoin.
- Neither of you came up with the idea of creating a DeCentralized Exchange. That's on EVERY LEGIT alt coin Devs mind. It's simply not EASY to just... do.
- You're a programmer? Good - get to coding a DeCentralized Exchange. Can't wait to experience it.

I've found success in other areas - mainly in the entertainment industry but also in marketing.

I was the owner/operator of www.GiantStarRecords.com - A professional recording studio in Calgary that focused mostly on Hip Hop.
*It's been closed since 2012 and I now live in Florida.

I have nothing to hide. I don't feel that I've done anything "detrimental" to VeriCoin - the brand or community.
In fact - quite the opposite. Only a few know what I've done - mainly the Devs - and they've been appreciative of it.

There are many things we're all working on... aside from the SuperNET DeCentralized Cloud Storage feature, revamping the VeriLeader Program and "BitVeri".
Plus much, MUCH more. But I digress.

Don't call me a "scammer". I have nothing but the greatest intentions for this coin and when it eventually hits $1.15/share - without a "pump"... I hope you'll reconsider your opinion.

This isn't going to happen overnight. Or over a week or a month. We're here for the Long Term. Not "Crypto" Long Term... long term LONG TERM.
I've put aside the next five years of my life to make this happen in the ways that I know how.

Right now you may sneer at $1.15/share... seems ridiculous. I know.
But as it stands... with the features it has... VeriCoin is a MUCH better, more useful Digital Currency than BitCoin.

That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Think about it.

BitCoin has "first mover" advantage - by a large amount - but VeriBit automatically levels the playing field.

The near term problems we face are:

1. General Awareness in the Public Sector - We need to raise awareness about the INDUSTRY/CATEGORY (as a WHOLE) - not just VeriCoin itself.
2. General Awareness in the Merchant Sector - Same as the above with the only difference being in how we market the benefits of VeriCoin vs Fiat etc.
3. Differentiation in the Current Market - We need to be the most useable coin there is. Period. That goes for average consumers as well as the Crypto demographic.

We are attempting to address these issues and obvious pain points but IT WILL... take time.

Any and all help from the core VeriCoin Community is more than welcome but what we don't need is conspiracy theories and relentless, unfounded criticism.

I'm not sure what else to say.
We all know that once $VRC hits a certain price point - you 2 or 3 individuals are going to dump it.

We're prepared for that and will keep marching forward regardless - with or without you.

Until then... bag hold and help us out or just... bag hold.

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I do not normally agree with barabbas, but he is exactly right as to what a decentralized cloud service like the one JL wants would be used for, that I and anyone else that has dived into the deepnet can assure you. I guess vericoin has decided to abandon any and all hope of being the legal whitehat coin of crypto now to join the darkside.

I do not doubt the majority of deals that vericoin has made thus far in its life span have been made with good intentions in mind but let us be honest they seem to have not accomplished much but to tarnish its reputation and burn its investors.

you are trying too hard to make things happen and have ended up making deals and entering negotiations with people with conflicting interest and have come across as looking desperate for investors to many people in the crypto realm with the "donating" of coins to whales, outsourcing your coding to other coins in return for investment, spaming of twitter, etc.

vericoin never needed these deals with these people or these other coins.

Vericoin needed to be the ONE coin to end this trend of investing with sh*tcoins/sketchy devs and embrace regulatory framework.

it needed CONTRACTS with legal up front buisnesses in the industry like BitPay that would fully comply with any and all regulations, and then use that + veribit to set the market price indepedent of exchages... but they want nothing to do with VRC now. Sad

VRC needed to be the jedi of crypto... now this coin is starting to be seen as the sith working with Jen'ari Palpatine


I urge critics to work toward making your vision for VeriCoin a reality.  In this way you may feel more empowered, like many others in the community, there is no way for us to make all investors happy and therefore if you want something in particular to happen work toward it like we are, we will welcome it.

Perhaps you should answer the questions before "urging" anyone, especially those who have already, over months, offered REAL SOLUTIONS to this project's problems? Or get them answered if you don't know how... Here we go again: Is the new tech James is bringing to VRC, the already mentioned Decentralized cloud storage feature?. Assuming it is,  which are the selling points of such feature, target market? Finally, is there something else going on the tech side of things -which is not yet another wallet, ok?-?

Now, right or wrong -in your estimation, of course-, both Lupin and UK, both of whom I disagree in many aspects, mind you- have offered here, repeatedly, ideas and solutions for VRC. Specific ones, including ones than imply significant and undeserved leaps of faith. Besides that, I have also been the FIRST full supporter of the let's call it "James alliance", expressing several times that only good, on the tech side and on the price side, could come off it, since we were at bottom and heading rock bottom. We are back there again after the James round-trip so to speak. Still, in spite of what the market is telling you, it seems we continue going in the wrong direction... I would understand persisting on it if it was working, but it isn't! And I am the first to admit that the factors pointed out by Maddie, above, are a reality, but that doesn't change the overall fact that we may not make it to the timeline of the Supernet.

My suggestion, at this point, is back to the drawing board. We tried, it worked like magic in the very short term but there's no time for patience, this is crypto and we are running out of options. Not James, he's loaded already. Us. VRC. He can be patient; we cannot afford to. So we tried, it worked and quickly stopped working. If it takes another 5 months to join Supernet, VRC may have been easily delisted by then after trading for a few satoshis on no volume, even if 20 million coins are staking. Been there, done that. We need a reaction. And a reaction can be provoked by going back to plan A, the initial one. Definitely not going toward a future with cloud storage of child pornography and documentation on sex slave trade and selling of body parts, ok? If tere's no other option, option out of Supernet. If there's an acceptable one, one that brings us back to the path of compliance with laws, adopt that one and go ahead, otherwise, jump out of the whole enchilada. Again: It isn't working. And if it is not going to work, why even be on that train that puts VRC on the opposite side of, for instance, NAUT, which will be in total compliance when the law demands it?

No, I'm not flip-flopping; I'm recognizing that the "James effect" has fully disappeared and we stand, as of now and with the information provided, to gain nothing and to lose a lot if we remain on board. These are FACTS, market facts, ok? not opinion. If James wants our window to be the front door of the Supernet, fine and dandy, but on our CLEAN terms. Or not at all. Do not sell out for nothing!

Constructive enough? Your turn...
well thanks for your opinion...unfortunately you always think your right ,but 90%+ of the community doesn't agree with you and are actually happy with the direction vericoin is taking... you can criticize everyone for not agreeing with u all you want since its what u do best, but where not backing out of what we as a community have decided to do just because the price hasn't gone exactly the way you would like... Funny how as soon as the price goes down a little your right back to work with all the answers .... there can be many reasons why the price is low , maybe when supernet decided they will invest 100btc in vrc they also decided they didn't want to pay 15k... maybe they wanted to pay 9k... who knows and it doesn't matter cause work is being done always ,community is woking hard and great deals are being done and organized (supernet,archcoin) after everything vrc went through the amount of work and determination is unreal especially with all the negative BS they have to put up with at the same time, stop saying u and your 2 minions have come up with solutions and ideas and DO something... you want to help then help with action not text... but my honest opinion is you should go and create your own coin since you have all the answers , see how that goes ... OK? Wink

Although the only input from you I'd ever be interested in would be if I should choose a 32-32 or a 32-34 size, I will entertain your obviously drunken dabble just this one time: If the community don't like my ideas, that's fine and dandy; if the community doesn't like UK's ideas, that's fine and dandy too; if the community doesn't like ANY of the ideas of Lupin, or the others that have offered for months, that's strange, but fine and dandy too. But then we have to come down to what is it that is being done INSTEAD? And the answer to that question was, before James, NOTHING AT ALL WHATSOEVER. Most particularly, nothing right or that otherwise worked, be it the VISA card "deal", the VeriSMS or any of the other ridiculous stuff that brought Vericoin to the brink of extinction, alright? So if for "Vericoin community" you first mean Wizrig and the stooges, we are talking a very small group of even more limited people... that happen to be the one's determining the direction of the project. You may add the closest cheerleaders, such as socal, kevondo and scott, the three of whom have personal hobbies to foment -and hopefully (for them) benefit from kissing repeatedly the asses, no matter how wrong, of the stooges. I'm not trying to be offensive, for I love the real stooges, but it is a shorthand for three guys that do not know where to go and go around like a headless hen, ok?

Are those people the community of VRC? It certainly seemed so... until Johnny Come lately, very very whatever, appeared calling everyone like he knew them since childhood and spewing third-rate Tony Robbins shit here. So now we have 7 in the half dozen that poses as "The VRC community". I know those are not recoverable to reason, they are committed way beyond that already, but there are others. Serious investors that saw on VRC a possibility in the beginning and somehow still believe this ship's path can be straightened... mostly wishful thinking, granted, or at least hoping for a second chance at 15 to get the hell out of Dodge for good. Can you do anything about it? Put it on the table and buy your right to silence them/us. Otherwise, go back to your patio to keep on with the pom-poms while the price disintegrates again, ok?

Entertainment with you, over and out for you are so irrelevant, so meaningless that you are practically  non existent (but any offer around 15k will be entertained, business is business).
The funniest thing is u actually think YOU are relevant...you are the most useless thing that ever happened to vericoin lol...please buddy ... at least i bring pom poms to the table Wink

BTW i use a universal length of 34" so if you waist is 32" you would take a 32 i would be glad to send you a pair of joggers! Don't be shy just ask! Too bad i don't make mittens Wink
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October 25, 2014, 01:24:05 AM
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AltCoinUK and Barabbas:

I could rattle off a list of things I have done to help VeriCoin but that's never been my style.
*I've also never asked for a single donation either.

Instead I'd rather write a short list of things that I had NOTHING to do with.

1. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with Moolah.
2. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with CoinSis.
3. I Skyped with Wizrig ONCE only to get his side of the story. We are not "friends" - but he's certainly not my "enemy" whatsoever. *Never met the dude.

- I don't program. If I did... I would certainly be using that talent to help VeriCoin.
- Neither of you came up with the idea of creating a DeCentralized Exchange. That's on EVERY LEGIT alt coin Devs mind. It's simply not EASY to just... do.
- You're a programmer? Good - get to coding a DeCentralized Exchange. Can't wait to experience it.

I've found success in other areas - mainly in the entertainment industry but also in marketing.

I was the owner/operator of www.GiantStarRecords.com - A professional recording studio in Calgary that focused mostly on Hip Hop.
*It's been closed since 2012 and I now live in Florida.

I have nothing to hide. I don't feel that I've done anything "detrimental" to VeriCoin - the brand or community.
In fact - quite the opposite. Only a few know what I've done - mainly the Devs - and they've been appreciative of it.

There are many things we're all working on... aside from the SuperNET DeCentralized Cloud Storage feature, revamping the VeriLeader Program and "BitVeri".
Plus much, MUCH more. But I digress.

Don't call me a "scammer". I have nothing but the greatest intentions for this coin and when it eventually hits $1.15/share - without a "pump"... I hope you'll reconsider your opinion.

This isn't going to happen overnight. Or over a week or a month. We're here for the Long Term. Not "Crypto" Long Term... long term LONG TERM.
I've put aside the next five years of my life to make this happen in the ways that I know how.

Right now you may sneer at $1.15/share... seems ridiculous. I know.
But as it stands... with the features it has... VeriCoin is a MUCH better, more useful Digital Currency than BitCoin.

That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Think about it.

BitCoin has "first mover" advantage - by a large amount - but VeriBit automatically levels the playing field.

The near term problems we face are:

1. General Awareness in the Public Sector - We need to raise awareness about the INDUSTRY/CATEGORY (as a WHOLE) - not just VeriCoin itself.
2. General Awareness in the Merchant Sector - Same as the above with the only difference being in how we market the benefits of VeriCoin vs Fiat etc.
3. Differentiation in the Current Market - We need to be the most useable coin there is. Period. That goes for average consumers as well as the Crypto demographic.

We are attempting to address these issues and obvious pain points but IT WILL... take time.

Any and all help from the core VeriCoin Community is more than welcome but what we don't need is conspiracy theories and relentless, unfounded criticism.

I'm not sure what else to say.
We all know that once $VRC hits a certain price point - you 2 or 3 individuals are going to dump it.

We're prepared for that and will keep marching forward regardless - with or without you.

Until then... bag hold and help us out or just... bag hold.

www.VeriCoinForums.com  <--- Really nice forums! Smiley




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The people who matter know what your doing for vericoin and you don't need to explain to 1-3 ppl who've been here trolling and stirring up baseless useless arguments since...forever lol ... hence the reason my posts are purely me toying with the trolls... they are nothing but amusement, end of story ... complete waste of time to try and discuss anything with them...Now he wants to sell at 15k loll when he could of done that a few times already in the past 2-3 weeks... guess trading isn't one of his talents Smiley

I was always patient but now since i know barabbas will be out at 15k I can't WAIT for the price to hit 15k LOL

Your dedication is greatly appreciated! But all the love is in the new Forums, and rightfully so Wink
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AltCoinUK and Barabbas:

I could rattle off a list of things I have done to help VeriCoin but that's never been my style.
*I've also never asked for a single donation either.

Instead I'd rather write a short list of things that I had NOTHING to do with.

1. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with Moolah.
2. I had nothing to do with any negotiations with CoinSis.
3. I Skyped with Wizrig ONCE only to get his side of the story. We are not "friends" - but he's certainly not my "enemy" whatsoever. *Never met the dude.

- I don't program. If I did... I would certainly be using that talent to help VeriCoin.
- Neither of you came up with the idea of creating a DeCentralized Exchange. That's on EVERY LEGIT alt coin Devs mind. It's simply not EASY to just... do.
- You're a programmer? Good - get to coding a DeCentralized Exchange. Can't wait to experience it.

I've found success in other areas - mainly in the entertainment industry but also in marketing.

I was the owner/operator of www.GiantStarRecords.com - A professional recording studio in Calgary that focused mostly on Hip Hop.
*It's been closed since 2012 and I now live in Florida.

I have nothing to hide. I don't feel that I've done anything "detrimental" to VeriCoin - the brand or community.
In fact - quite the opposite. Only a few know what I've done - mainly the Devs - and they've been appreciative of it.

There are many things we're all working on... aside from the SuperNET DeCentralized Cloud Storage feature, revamping the VeriLeader Program and "BitVeri".
Plus much, MUCH more. But I digress.

Don't call me a "scammer". I have nothing but the greatest intentions for this coin and when it eventually hits $1.15/share - without a "pump"... I hope you'll reconsider your opinion.

This isn't going to happen overnight. Or over a week or a month. We're here for the Long Term. Not "Crypto" Long Term... long term LONG TERM.
I've put aside the next five years of my life to make this happen in the ways that I know how.

Right now you may sneer at $1.15/share... seems ridiculous. I know.
But as it stands... with the features it has... VeriCoin is a MUCH better, more useful Digital Currency than BitCoin.

That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Think about it.

BitCoin has "first mover" advantage - by a large amount - but VeriBit automatically levels the playing field.

The near term problems we face are:

1. General Awareness in the Public Sector - We need to raise awareness about the INDUSTRY/CATEGORY (as a WHOLE) - not just VeriCoin itself.
2. General Awareness in the Merchant Sector - Same as the above with the only difference being in how we market the benefits of VeriCoin vs Fiat etc.
3. Differentiation in the Current Market - We need to be the most useable coin there is. Period. That goes for average consumers as well as the Crypto demographic.

We are attempting to address these issues and obvious pain points but IT WILL... take time.

Any and all help from the core VeriCoin Community is more than welcome but what we don't need is conspiracy theories and relentless, unfounded criticism.

I'm not sure what else to say.
We all know that once $VRC hits a certain price point - you 2 or 3 individuals are going to dump it.

We're prepared for that and will keep marching forward regardless - with or without you.

Until then... bag hold and help us out or just... bag hold.

www.VeriCoinForums.com  <--- Really nice forums! Smiley





OK Very Very... first of all, be minimally educated and polite and introduce yourself. Because, you know, I don't know who the hell you are and if you are going to pretend to be in some way part of the dev team of VRC, I need to know who the hell you are. Meanwhile,  to me, you are just a pretentious Johnny Come Lately. Introduce yourself properly and tell me, in a convincing way, not in a nutty case way, what exactly is that you propose to bring to the table of this project. And please, spare me the third-rate Tony Robbins bullshit, ok? We have all watched too much late night TV, alright?

For some of what you have been posting I deduct, probably wrongly, that you are some guy who spends most of his life on the internet and you propose to be very active promoting Vericoin on Twitter (you call it "social media" but it is just Twitter, right? It frankly scares the shit out of me that you have "set the next 5 years apart to help VRC". That's nutcase territory, frankly. This is the HOBBY, the main hobby at best, of the 3 devs. Nothing else. Now you come as a 24/7/365/5 missionary? Let me run, not walk, ok? And exactly what is it that you are proposing to do with all that time, just posting 140 words or less 10 times a day, 50 times a day? I would appreciate some specifics... for instance, what is it you are doing, beyond the scope of "social media" to "create awareness in the Public Sector". Maybe what you are doing to "create awareness ion the Merchant sector"? Have you signed anyone, anyone at all? Again, please spare me the e-mails that you may or may not have sent. I mean, is there ANY merchant at all that you have got to accept payment in Vericoin? Doge has. Many other have. Anyone at all? Not even gaming sites? Nothing? What the heck is it that you are doing 24/7 again?

I don't call you "scammer". Or anything, for that matter. I don't know who you are, what you do or what particular talents, if any, you have. Any particular tools, specific plans? OK you produced records in Canada but now that's not good enough for you and in Florida you just have made your mission to convert the universe whole to the Vericoin faith. On what qualifications? what do you bring, again, to the VRC table? Who is giving you the keys to the office and why? I'm sure some others will be interested.

Yes I find the third-rate Tony Robbins-nism detrimental to VRC just like I find the "projections" of future price detrimental to the point of being absolutely unacceptable in a serious project like this once was. Because they are just plain stupidity without any base whatsoever and would apply the same if the figure chosen by you were 10 times higher or 100 times lower. Equally baseless. And such "projections" have been known to mislead some investors in the past to the point of making any new ones specifically averse to any project whose operatives or developers make such projections. Get now the detrimental aspect of it? As for the preachy shit, sorry that was several moons earlier last time it worked any. Now you are dealing with pretty skeptical investors, most burned by charlatans like you appear to be, that are only interested in serious projects with serious potential to make money. There's no space anymore for the other bullshit. Clear and specific English.

Saying the Vericoin is "better than Bitcoin" nis an exercise in absurdity. For many technical reasons, of course. But even if it were technically true, it would be like me saying that I am a better actor than Brad Pitt, more handsome too: I will never get the chance to prove no matter how truthful it could be... on both aspects, ok? Get it now? If you pretend to sell Vericoin as "better than Bitcoin" you are going to have exactly the same level of success that an agent trying to sell me to Hollywood studios as better and handsomer than Brad Pitt: None at all whatsoever.  And if you pretend to have any kind of success whatsoever, on this patio, be prepared to cut the bullshit to the bone for, as you can see, there's no space for that shit here anymore.

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October 25, 2014, 05:06:15 AM
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My thoughts on a decentralized cloud storage network.

Judging how many tens of millions Kim Dotcom quickly made on his first cloud storage and download site and how many millions he's making again, right now, on his encrypted download site......a massive opportunity is there to bring in real and substantial revenues for not only Vericoin and the SuperNET but also every teenager that has extra terabytes at his disposal and is using the Vericoin tech.  

Now not even considering that, a further bonus is the potential for Vericoin's future cloud storage framework to be utilized for far more new tech and ideas than just cloud storage....you simply open your mind to what the future capabilities are to a blockchain based decentralized file sharing network.  Who knows, a future version of this may even unseat utorrent as the default file sharing protocol, just as utorrent evolved from kazaa and limewire.

Another future iteration of this technology could be a decentralized public records ledger to store and track asset transfers such as real property (real estate deeds and liens), marriages, divorces, death certificates, etc.  Why keep it local to each state and county when one can easily upload it to the blockchain with a verified timestamp and all documents.

But all in due time and first things first.  I have full confidence that our extended Vericoin team and James can create a working framework to build on.  Smiley
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My thoughts on a decentralized cloud storage network.

Judging how many tens of millions Kim Dotcom quickly made on his first cloud storage and download site and how many millions he's making again, right now, on his encrypted download site......a massive opportunity is there to bring in real and substantial revenues for not only Vericoin and the SuperNET but also every teenager that has extra terabytes at his disposal and is using the Vericoin tech.  

Now not even considering that, a further bonus is the potential for Vericoin's future cloud storage framework to be utilized for far more new tech and ideas than just cloud storage....you simply open your mind to what the future capabilities are to a blockchain based decentralized file sharing network.  Who knows, a future version of this may even unseat utorrent as the default file sharing protocol, just as utorrent evolved from kazaa and limewire.

Another future iteration of this technology could be a decentralized public records ledger to store and track asset transfers such as real property (real estate deeds and liens), marriages, divorces, death certificates, etc.  Why keep it local to each state and county when one can easily upload it to the blockchain with a verified timestamp and all documents.

But all in due time and first things first.  I have full confidence that our extended Vericoin team and James can create a working framework to build on.  Smiley


But you see drkman? that's precisely what I am talking about: Vericoin SHOULD NOT go in that direction at all. utorrent, I don't know if it is a profitable business anymore or not. What I do know is that in the future there will NOT be illegal file-sharing. I also do know that the filesharing (legal one) will be massive... AND FREE. So the only potential business there is the current twitter/facebook advertising revenue one which is already taken by those and by the giants such as Google/Youtube, etc. I really can't see a viable, LEGAL, business there that will be able to compete with what already is out there, let alone what is about t be out there. Encrypted and non encrypted.

Furthermore, we are talking different interests and objective here: you (and James) are in the business of creating "assets", i.e.: business. James sees potential business/assets, on everything. And, sorry, but he is wrong: There's a better possibility of making a wildly profitable pornographic tape of two flies fucking, than the VRC radio, for instance, will ever be a profitable business, I don 't care if it is just Kevondo running and operating it 24/7. It is just not going to happen in this lifetime. By the same token, decentralized cloud storage will never be a stream revenue for Vericoin... or the Supernet. Too crowded, competitive space. Everyone (legit) that needs encrypted storage, already has it. No market left. But, even if there was one, the objective of Vericoin is to become a currency and a store of value, NOT a business, profitable or not. Different goals altogether. The success of Vericoin will be to be used by people to pay for things or to keep saving away from (big) inflation... maybe; the success of Vericoin with decentralized cloud storage would come, mainly, from selling those services. Different model altogether.

Way more importantly, that short of business would take Vericoin in all the wrong direction: Away from the laws, in danger of being shutdown altogether, sued and prosecuted by all kinds of organisms and agencies. Do we want to pursue that? I don't think so, sorry. Not even if there was a lot of potential money to be made in it, at that level of risk.

Vericoin should strive to be what always (originally) was: A cutting edge souped up fork with some cool features designed to attract the usage of people and merchants new and veterans of digital currencies. Nothing more, nothing less. For that, as I have said hundreds of times already, we need to talk to the people in a language that people can understand and not even remotely close to the tech babble that they can read in our website, for instance. We need to hit the pavement and sell on the idea the merchants, the logical users and customers, the ones that are already using them (digital currencies) and the ones that don't know anything about it and need to be persuaded that using VRC is good for them, that they will actually PROFIT from it.

As you well know I was the first and staunched supporter of VRC's alliance with James. And the idea of the Supernet. But not at the cost of the only real asset VRC has, which is the image of their dev teams and the transparency and support of the project AS IT WAS. I would continue supporting the integration in the SuperNet, but ONLY if it happens while safeguarding those REAL ASSETS VRC always had, because if not, any and all hope for a future is just thrown away. And, no matter what, pricewise the coin would not meaningfully rebound either whether or not James continues associated with it: Too far away into the future to have any repercussions beyond what it had already.

To keep it short and clear: VRC absolutely NEEDS to be first on line (or be on the front line) for legislation in the USA. It's coming, any moment now. Without it, a clandestine operation with no value or future whatsoever. A currency, NOT a business, remember.
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October 25, 2014, 07:06:02 AM
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Barabbas your track record with pinkcoin is astounding Wink seems the pink coin community is getting the same golden barabbas treatment lol You offered them a genius barabbas special deal but you required a substantial amount of donations...then when obviously the community laughed at you ,you suddenly removed your "offer" off the table! LOL WOW that story sounds awfully familiar ...hmmm... LULZ
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