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October 17, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
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Theres so much nonsense in the last two page i dont even know where to start...

Supernet holds 10% of all core coins and will not sell them.
And also there is no single entity that control the funds alone not even james.
everything regarding funds is in (multisig) escrow and needs to be decided by assetsholders through a weightened vote.


You are buying supernet asset which has value through the core coins and other assets besides the speculation of future dividends (additionaly supernet holder already received 2 dividends) - one of the biggest difference to clonenet.

All i see are 5 activity newbie fudder, please try harder

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October 17, 2014, 08:02:57 PM
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Here is the "jl777" effect - an effective pump and dump ponzi scheme Smiley. He runs an "investment fund" and makes trading bots for christ sake people.

The new XC BlockNET will blow SuperNET out of the water as it doesn't demand 10% of the coins that he can use to manipulate the price. (His "sharkfund" already had atleast 10% of BBR already? I wonder who was manipulating the price before the pump and why he included it in the SuperNET Wink)
LTCD and the BlockNET will be the winners. They actually know how to market and explain things to new users, not scream "the community isn't helping me enough! it will never get done if you guys don't do everything i don't want to" - while he sits on 4000 btc raised from the IPO.

I fully agree with you.

It has been a grandiose talk and very-very little substance from this jl777 James guy, though lately he doesn't even talks here. My late grandmother could have as much effect on VRC price as this guy had, and my grandmother never ever seen a computer. As I said here many time, no one will remember 1 year time what SuperNet was  - except people who put hard earned cash into that vaporware.

Now, he got 100 BTC and the VRC price is still dropping. I guess he is dumping to buy low with the 100 BTC. He don't give a shit about VRC price nor about the community, he only needed VRC to use its transparent image to complete his ICO, and now he is gone.

In the meantime a few vocal cheerleaders celebrate the low price here, saying that actually they are happy with the low price. Of course cheerleaders would say anything to justify this failing project: if the price rise that's great, if the price drop that's great too ... quite incredible.

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October 17, 2014, 09:21:01 PM
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Theres so much nonsense in the last two page i dont even know where to start...

Supernet holds 10% of all core coins and will not sell them.
And also there is no single entity that control the funds alone not even james.
everything regarding funds is in (multisig) escrow and needs to be decided by assetsholders through a weightened vote.


You are buying supernet asset which has value through the core coins and other assets besides the speculation of future dividends (additionaly supernet holder already received 2 dividends) - one of the biggest difference to clonenet.

All i see are 5 activity newbie fudder, please try harder


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If the core coins will never be sold then the SuperNET asset's value is not linked to the coins at all, other than the speculation of future dividends that those coins will provide.

You do understand that you already are contradicting yourself with the first sentence right?
Supernet holds 10% of all core coins they are a asset of supernet; of course supernets NAV is linked to the value of the corecoins. The main idea behind it is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiretsu


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In no way can you sell the asset for any of the 10% of the coins that are being held indefinitely.

I dont understand what you are trying to say here, please rephrase.


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The only thing you can do is collect dividends on any revenue the services generate (just like the BlockNET) which means its value will only be linked to speculation on how long it will take those dividends to pay back your initial investment.

This is wrong, like other people and i explained supernet is backed up by corecoins and several other assets - in a way you could say it has intrisic value - on the contrary to clonenet which only has a promise of a future revenue stream like you said  Roll Eyes


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Just how much did you receive in dividends so far and from what?

We received 15.000 NXTInspect and 50.000 NeoDice assets which were prices at respected ~4 NXT and ~45 NXT per asset, so in the sum around 2+%



btw one last thing about clonenet:

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

in that sense, thank you very much  Cheesy


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Backed by means you can exchange it for a fixed amount of the underlying asset. Fixed amount means that no matter how many currency units are presented for redemption, each one of them will be exchanged for a fixed amount of the underlying asset. If there is not enough of the underlying asset, it's called the system is operating on fractional reserve.

We are talking about supernets value here, not about currency reserve standards luls.
nice quote to a total different story.


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So wait, the NAV is linked to the value of the core coins? And what was the average price most people bought into the SuperNET at?
AND he's allowed to use 1% of the funds raised as a wall UNDER the price people bought in at (which is actually more than 1% if he doesn't adjust for the decline in the assests values).
What then? Does he resell what he just bought at a higher price, or get to keep it to hoard more of the dividends.
Wow, no wonder he's dumping everything so hard. I was wondering what he was up to.

James cant dump anything because he has no control over 99% of the funds and the 1% (at ending of the ico ~57 btc, it is way less then he put in supernet himself) he controls are for marketing, bountys etc regarding supernet.
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No. It isn't backed by anything. That implies that at any time you can trade your SuperNET assest for a certain amount of the core coins that are apparently backing it.

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Yes. We are talking about the supernet's value and how people seem to think it's backed by the core coins. See above.

drkman and myself were talking about how supernets value is backed up by the value of the core coins and the assets that supernet holds.
you are the only one talking about a financial reserve of a currency.


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Wow. That's some great liquidity in those markets. What is that about $12 worth that a few of you can sell for? Meanwhile UNITY has dropped what? 20%?

What do you mean? On the first two weeks there was great volume, everyone could have sold and buy, even now with the situation of btc it has a good orderbook.


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Where are you getting 2% from. You received 15000 and 50000 each?

alone neodice asset was ~1,5% worth with supernet valued at 200 nxt.
That is the sum of all assets distributed to supernet assetholder.



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Hi Smiley

probably nobody knows the answer but gonna ask anyway.. why has development been stagnant ? They where so active in the beginning. What happened?..

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...   Cry

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October 18, 2014, 03:19:21 AM
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Hi Smiley

probably nobody knows the answer but gonna ask anyway.. why has development been stagnant ? They where so active in the beginning. What happened?..

Devs aren't here anymore...check out the new forums, lots being done and worked on Cool

https://www.vericoinforums.com/

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dat wall
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Wow am I glad I bought 50% more last night  Shocked

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October 18, 2014, 06:52:18 AM
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Wow, so much hot air about Supernet somehow making VRC look bad.

VRC will reign because it's developers are transparent and extremely competent.
Cmon, you know their names, where they went to college & see their faces every google hangout. What other coins are so transparent? Hmm, none.

In the real world(you remember there is a real world right?) business ventures/partnerships operate on transparency & results and reward those that keep moving forward. Whitepapers don't mean a thing to real investors and the real money hasn't even begun to flow into crypto because so many coins are full of shit.

Crypto is so much still in it's infancy, the big moves are still 12-24 months out. Crypto success is all about longevity and awareness, a couple items that Patrick and team have a handle on.

Vericoin is one of my holdings that I dont even watch the price because in the long run it's a winner. Set you buys for every time it dips below 11k and look at your holdings in a year.

Highjacking this post.

I'm still not sure why you'd find public developers - of a project that you invested in - a greater deal.
Is it possible that you just suck at investing? If, in your eyes, it's rare to find the real people behind the projects you back. And please note, when I say 'you', I'm not referring to OP specifically. I prefer if you all take this as a general notice.
I don't feel like judging your ways, but please don't try to hit the blindman countless times with the same invalid reasoning. Being a public profile adds nothing. Having it in the alternative cryptocurrency jungle might be satisfying due to its lack, but by no means translates immediately to transparency and competence like you are intending to make believe.

Having said that, I don't doubt that VRC devs set a few unique precedents. You should focus more on that imo. Their vision was ambitious, yet palpable. They've actually achieved to implement unique tools to their ideals. VeriBit for example, being centralized or not, was a successfully implemented changing feature. It covered a whole series of issues related to acceptance, and it was presented in a simple but effective way. Other features like SMS were less effective, and less impressive to the eye, yet they went all in the great purpose to bring crypto to the masses easily. This must be noted.

VRC had a quite royal run, because it caught most of the community on an early phase, generating its initial attracting volume, and getting backed later by a few more of those who saw an opportunity.
The hype after a few weeks, at the current price range actually, was insane. #VRC was second to Bitcoin in Twitter references regarding crypto currency. And all that jazz eventually came up to tell you: "hey, they're public, you can't get hurt."
But you did. It's my honest belief that that pump needed an end to satisfy some parts, and even though I'm not sure if its end was premeditated, I'm certainly suspicious on certain actions taken at the time.
Nothing can consistently go up in value without getting a few chops. And VRC seemed undefeatable. The interest was so huge that some even put their life savings into it. And they got burned.

Now the important part of it, if we fast forward it till now: VeriCoin stands solid on its real market price. For what it is, let's say it. You can trade it now ~40k less of its ATH. Some might think it's a disaster, others an opportunity.
Then comes the need to reinvent from the bagholder, so there's a Supernet all of a sudden (because community paid for it in the sake of "we must do something") and the once before active devs - slowly get 'sold' to take a route they never before idealized. For market's sake.
If it wouldn't be for the pressure - and to this point I stand corrected and apologize for my poisonous VRC rants on Twitter that I never cared to explain in detail*; I'd be happy to envision a VeriCoin loyal to its initial principles, with hard hand good communicating devs, and real palpable routes like were drawn before.

Point is, before I wander off even more, worry not to bring VRC out of its own devs, by Supernetting the shit out of it. This was a silly idea. Instead, convince this team to question their way and their will.
If principles are still intact, I don't see a reason not to hard implement them. We know that funds are easily raised. And even the dev needs a bit of motivation from its peers. Catch him before he moves off to another project, where your money is not at... yet.


Disclaimer:
*I am kleineaap, @1kleine twitter handle. Long term supporter of VRC since I discovered it at 800sat. I used my early BTC funds to support the market buys and accumulated enough all the way to 1.5 million VRC.
The night I finished dumping half a million coins I made my holdings public for the first time. 3 hours later there was the "Mintpal hack" which ended up hurting me a lot.
The hack was never explained. One of the devs actually told me that "we never had any proof evidence of an actual hack taking place". I've called out the other devs, and I was in search for a decent clarification "that protects the investors" which never came.
So I've moved on, and despite not suffering direct losses, I somewhat felt that I was prevented to dump. So I said fuck you, and I managed to sell another 500k off market during the sell off.
Still holding a third of it. What happened? I can speculate, but honestly I don't know for sure.

But at least Alex/Ryan is public now and we don't have Mintpal anymore.

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Wow, so much hot air about Supernet somehow making VRC look bad.

VRC will reign because it's developers are transparent and extremely competent.
Cmon, you know their names, where they went to college & see their faces every google hangout. What other coins are so transparent? Hmm, none.

In the real world(you remember there is a real world right?) business ventures/partnerships operate on transparency & results and reward those that keep moving forward. Whitepapers don't mean a thing to real investors and the real money hasn't even begun to flow into crypto because so many coins are full of shit.

Crypto is so much still in it's infancy, the big moves are still 12-24 months out. Crypto success is all about longevity and awareness, a couple items that Patrick and team have a handle on.

Vericoin is one of my holdings that I dont even watch the price because in the long run it's a winner. Set you buys for every time it dips below 11k and look at your holdings in a year.

Highjacking this post.

I'm still not sure why you'd find public developers - of a project that you invested in - a greater deal.
Is it possible that you just suck at investing? If, in your eyes, it's rare to find the real people behind the projects you back. And please note, when I say 'you', I'm not referring to OP specifically. I prefer if you all take this as a general notice.
I don't feel like judging your ways, but please don't try to hit the blindman countless times with the same invalid reasoning. Being a public profile adds nothing. Having it in the alternative cryptocurrency jungle might be satisfying due to its lack, but by no means translates immediately to transparency and competence like you are intending to make believe.

Having said that, I don't doubt that VRC devs set a few unique precedents. You should focus more on that imo. Their vision was ambitious, yet palpable. They've actually achieved to implement unique tools to their ideals. VeriBit for example, being centralized or not, was a successfully implemented changing feature. It covered a whole series of issues related to acceptance, and it was presented in a simple but effective way. Other features like SMS were less effective, and less impressive to the eye, yet they went all in the great purpose to bring crypto to the masses easily. This must be noted.

VRC had a quite royal run, because it caught most of the community on an early phase, generating its initial attracting volume, and getting backed later by a few more of those who saw an opportunity.
The hype after a few weeks, at the current price range actually, was insane. #VRC was second to Bitcoin in Twitter references regarding crypto currency. And all that jazz eventually came up to tell you: "hey, they're public, you can't get hurt."
But you did. It's my honest belief that that pump needed an end to satisfy some parts, and even though I'm not sure if its end was premeditated, I'm certainly suspicious on certain actions taken at the time.
Nothing can consistently go up in value without getting a few chops. And VRC seemed undefeatable. The interest was so huge that some even put their life savings into it. And they got burned.

Now the important part of it, if we fast forward it till now: VeriCoin stands solid on its real market price. For what it is, let's say it. You can trade it now ~40k less of its ATH. Some might think it's a disaster, others an opportunity.
Then comes the need to reinvent from the bagholder, so there's a Supernet all of a sudden (because community paid for it in the sake of "we must do something") and the once before active devs - slowly get 'sold' to take a route they never before idealized. For market's sake.
If it wouldn't be for the pressure - and to this point I stand corrected and apologize for my poisonous VRC rants on Twitter that I never cared to explain in detail*; I'd be happy to envision a VeriCoin loyal to its initial principles, with hard hand good communicating devs, and real palpable routes like were drawn before.

Point is, before I wander off even more, worry not to bring VRC out of its own devs, by Supernetting the shit out of it. This was a silly idea. Instead, convince this team to question their way and their will.
If principles are still intact, I don't see a reason not to hard implement them. We know that funds are easily raised. And even the dev needs a bit of motivation from its peers. Catch him before he moves off to another project, where your money is not at... yet.


Disclaimer:
*I am kleineaap, @1kleine twitter handle. Long term supporter of VRC since I discovered it at 800sat. I used my early BTC funds to support the market buys and accumulated enough all the way to 1.5 million VRC.
The night I finished dumping half a million coins I made my holdings public for the first time. 3 hours later there was the "Mintpal hack" which ended up hurting me a lot.
The hack was never explained. One of the devs actually told me that "we never had any proof evidence of an actual hack taking place". I've called out the other devs, and I was in search for a decent clarification "that protects the investors" which never came.
So I've moved on, and despite not suffering direct losses, I somewhat felt that I was prevented to dump. So I said fuck you, and I managed to sell another 500k off market during the sell off.
Still holding a third of it. What happened? I can speculate, but honestly I don't know for sure.

But at least Alex/Ryan is public now and we don't have Mintpal anymore.
Hey kleineaap ! From your rants on twitter i didn't know you can articulate so well Wink So why the sudden post ? I read it but not really understanding where you stand really... either way glad to hear from you.
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October 18, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
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roadmap looking good for this coin. I like the stability of the price also, you know it will not be dumped to 2200 like XST as it is a true value at the moment and can only go up.
It usually floats between 9K and 11K so buying now is smart I think.



Yeah really GREAT looking roadmap,  looks very much like the I/OCoin one. We are more ahead on our developments also. Smiley

looks good. the market looks good too returning to an organic growth pattern i believe.
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roadmap looking good for this coin. I like the stability of the price also, you know it will not be dumped to 2200 like XST as it is a true value at the moment and can only go up.
It usually floats between 9K and 11K so buying now is smart I think.



Yeah really GREAT looking roadmap,  looks very much like the I/OCoin one. We are more ahead on our developments also. Smiley

looks good. the market looks good too returning to an organic growth pattern i believe.

this road map looks the same for almost 3 months, beside the new wallet got finished.

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October 18, 2014, 10:43:17 AM
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roadmap looking good for this coin. I like the stability of the price also, you know it will not be dumped to 2200 like XST as it is a true value at the moment and can only go up.
It usually floats between 9K and 11K so buying now is smart I think.



Yeah really GREAT looking roadmap,  looks very much like the I/OCoin one. We are more ahead on our developments also. Smiley

looks good. the market looks good too returning to an organic growth pattern i believe.

this road map looks the same for almost 3 months, beside the new wallet got finished.

some things just take time. unless you're saying you think the devs are incapable of getting the coding done. been with vrc since the beginning as a miner and these guys know how to deliver. just they may not deliver on the day that you want to make money Cheesy but then again.. what day dont you want to make money?
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October 18, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
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October 18, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
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what are you expecting from us?? something more tantamount to this... ?

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October 18, 2014, 04:41:30 PM
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We've been reading about your "group" of investors and the pending SuperDump that's going to wipe out VRC for months. It's like the boy who cried wolf... Any effect that the first cry may have had has been drastically reduced by all of the cries that followed.

'Sorry that you guys want to get out, but shit happens ::shrug::. Now is the ideal time for you to get out and minimize any further loses - there's 100 BTC of buy walls for you guys to dump into:



Best of luck to you guys in whatever you plan to do with the BTC you collect from your dump.


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October 18, 2014, 04:56:20 PM
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We've been reading about your "group" of investors and the pending SuperDump that's going to wipe out VRC for months. It's like the boy who cried wolf... Any effect that the first cry may have had has been drastically reduced by all of the preceding cries.

'Sorry that you guys want to get out, but shit happens ::shrug::. Now is the ideal time for you to get out and minimize any further loses - there's 100 BTC of buy walls for you guys to dump into:



Best of luck to you guys in whatever you plan to do with the BTC you collect from your dump.


funny... wall has been up for 12 hours and no one is selling
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October 18, 2014, 05:22:49 PM
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Best of luck to you guys in whatever you plan to do with the BTC you collect from your dump.


funny... wall has been up for 12 hours and no one is selling

i doubt there will be any. all these people fudding have an agenda and i can promise you guys its not an altruistic one.

keep checking background information and your due dillegence - some people are here just for the money and dont flinch from manipulating and scamming to get it.

some are more literate, smart and eloquent then others and sometimes it is hard to distinguish between truth and lie, but never lose your due dilligence!

crypto is here to stay and i believe vrc has a great position when crypto will archieve mainstream adoption.


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