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September 19, 2014, 08:06:49 PM
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I agree with Barabbas that at this stage a compiler issue shouldn't delay the release by weeks.

The issue that Doug is debugging manifested itself just last night, so it hasn't delayed the release by weeks. Smiley

OK Scott, I really don't want to be pedantic about this UI release which we both know will change nothing to VRC in the long term anyway, but it is even more confusing now :-)))

It is not a compiler issue right now, but as you said an issue that revealed by last night debugging. Firstly, I would expect if a developer talk about a 99% completion status then already no debugging activity should happen at all. If the application is really 99% completed the debugging as part of the development process should be performed a long time ago. Secondly, effectsToCause indicates above that the issue "is how each operating system handles the new formatting of the UI". On the other hand it was told a week ago that the UI is 99% ready. I would assume if a developer states that an application is 99% ready then the app already passed the system, integration, usability and user acceptance tests, and surely shouldn't have any issues with OS specific rendering. This could only happen if the developer
a) has no idea what he is doing
b) talking bollocks
c) was over excited about the progress and misinterpreted the completion of the application and it was not 99%

I am sure here option "c" was the case :-)))

I agree that Doug was a bit too enthusiastic about the completion when he said that it was at 99%. However, at the same time, he also said, "There is a few finishing touches, a little more testing, compilation for the three OSes, then we will release it."

Maybe you should have jumped on his case about it then. Cheesy

To be honest I am not worry about this minor UI improvement release at all, I assume the new UI will be the same QT fork based than the current one with a new skin and minor functionality improvements and in my opinion the devs should work on more sensible tasks, and not be worried about UI enhancements at this stage. Minor UI enhancements surely won't put vericoin into the top 5 currencies.

Anyway, everyone can see that the devs are working on something, at least effectToCause said he is working on it. Quite a few people said here this week that they had enough and sold out their coins, and any inputs from the devs could be therapeutical for the depressed soul of bag holders :-))
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Personally im a top 5% holder of vericoin and Im very pleased with the work the Dev team is doing. They let us know they are working on things even throw in some pics and other things from time to time. Very community involved. Thank you for all your hard work effectstocause I appreciate it  Grin  Cool
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For those that are not coders, I can tell you that getting things to work on Windows is a project in an of itself! Even when you are doing low level coding, Windows is just so, well, Windows. Networking is like sockets, but not. memory mapped files, well, sort of. everything is warped by the MSFT proprietary version of the standard open source methods. Then there is the whole visual studio thing which makes everything impossible, at least for me. dont even get me started on 32bit Windows! Seriously? people are still running that?

I am to the point where I dont even bother with Windows porting and let some other guy suffer for a week(s) to get what takes minutes on any sane OS.

So, please understand that from code complete to having full support across all OS can be some significant time just fiddling with OS, compilers, linkers, libraries.

Separately, I have said that VRC is long term HODL with a 6 month timeframe. Not sure what part of this becomes "why isnt the price more than double in two weeks"?? I have advised to accumulate VRC between .000125 and .00015, what has the price been ranging between? I said that a stable floor needs to have at least a week if not two weeks long to provide the step to the next level.

Look at the long term price chart.

This sideways motion during the retrenchment phase where it usually is declining big percentages indicates what is about to happen. It might be hard for some short term thinkers to understand that when you are managing a 5000 BTC ICO, that this eats up a good part of everyday, especially when you are doing new deals frequently. As such my coding time has suffered, but I have managed to get some good progress with the SuperNET transport layer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.msg8884807#msg8884807

Once the SuperNET transport layer is solid and I can publish more formal API docs, then VRC will be able to directly access the SuperNET. I know work is already started with GUI integration, but when you are actually writing new code it is not a matter of cut and paste and done, so the expectation that it will be done in days is just unrealistic.

So, long term HODL. Patience. Accumulate the cheap VRC between .000125 and .00015
If you are impatient, please sell. I WTB VRC in largish amounts. I have 50 BTC available for this.

You can also diversify with the swap of VRC for TOKEN at 5% bonus.

Please let us support the devs a positive atmosphere is most important for making progress. If you dont have the patience, then please sell. I am buying

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Thank you James I agree totally with you.
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For those that are not coders, I can tell you that getting things to work on Windows is a project in an of itself! Even when you are doing low level coding, Windows is just so, well, Windows. Networking is like sockets, but not. memory mapped files, well, sort of. everything is warped by the MSFT proprietary version of the standard open source methods. Then there is the whole visual studio thing which makes everything impossible, at least for me. dont even get me started on 32bit Windows! Seriously? people are still running that?

I am to the point where I dont even bother with Windows porting and let some other guy suffer for a week(s) to get what takes minutes on any sane OS.

So, please understand that from code complete to having full support across all OS can be some significant time just fiddling with OS, compilers, linkers, libraries.

Separately, I have said that VRC is long term HODL with a 6 month timeframe. Not sure what part of this becomes "why isnt the price more than double in two weeks"?? I have advised to accumulate VRC between .000125 and .00015, what has the price been ranging between? I said that a stable floor needs to have at least a week if not two weeks long to provide the step to the next level.

Look at the long term price chart.

This sideways motion during the retrenchment phase where it usually is declining big percentages indicates what is about to happen. It might be hard for some short term thinkers to understand that when you are managing a 5000 BTC ICO, that this eats up a good part of everyday, especially when you are doing new deals frequently. As such my coding time has suffered, but I have managed to get some good progress with the SuperNET transport layer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.msg8884807#msg8884807

Once the SuperNET transport layer is solid and I can publish more formal API docs, then VRC will be able to directly access the SuperNET. I know work is already started with GUI integration, but when you are actually writing new code it is not a matter of cut and paste and done, so the expectation that it will be done in days is just unrealistic.

So, long term HODL. Patience. Accumulate the cheap VRC between .000125 and .00015
If you are impatient, please sell. I WTB VRC in largish amounts. I have 50 BTC available for this.

You can also diversify with the swap of VRC for TOKEN at 5% bonus.

Please let us support the devs a positive atmosphere is most important for making progress. If you dont have the patience, then please sell. I am buying

James

Thank you James but it is unnecessary: no.one has grown impatient at all here. Nosker issued a brief report on progress about a week ago and although a new one along similar lines would be appropriate now, like I said, no one is impatient at all.

The problems are not your other commitments or even ghe price that remains around 50% above what it was at the time of your initial involvement. The problems are unnecessarily self-created by posting messages, percentages and enthusiasms thar are, again and again, off key and therefore counter productive... coming from a dev... whatever well intentionrd he might be. At this point these things simply shouldnt br happening. You dont need to issue percentages,  nor deadlines unless you are 100% sure you are going to meet them. Like UK said this iteration of the wallet is next to meaningless anyway, why hyping it with midleading enthusiasm and implied deadlines? Its childish and completely unnecessary.

As for windows being a pain... we have a windows man if there ever was one on board... one could easily assume that this will put us way ahead of the competition in that particulat os at least! And I dont see any other project out there having the now secular problems were continue having... but, again, irrelevant. Everyone and his aunt here hss already implore the devs to not jump the gun and play the announcement game with enouhh margin to not shoot ourselves in the foot. Apparent progress in this regard -and others- seem to have happened with Nosker. Yey! Doug?, a "hard work" in progress...
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September 19, 2014, 09:51:12 PM
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Hey all! Laundry done and I'm on my com… pooter now!

What's new?

AltCoinUK - All valid points. That said… remember that DPD… aren't marketers - they are coders and scientists.
We are ironing out these kinds of mishaps but there is NO need to blow them out of proportion.
Crypto is a TINY, IMPATIENT world. VeriCoin is going to buck that trend.

Also I noticed you were following me on Twitter. I sent you a Direct Message so we can get to the bottom of the issues you seem to have.

I'm guessing that you hold $VRC and will probably dump when the time suits you - that's fine. Do what you must.

But ranting and raving over very minuscule mistakes… is certainly not helping your… or anyones… position - with regards to the "price".

Pls respond back to me on Twitter or unfollow. Thanx.

Aside from that… we're all doing our part to help VeriCoin succeed.

Shout out to the VeriCoin community for hanging in there after some really brutal setbacks! Thou… art an awesome community!  Smiley

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*BTW - DPD… is my creepy way of referring to Doug, Pat and Dave. It's like a gang. Only… not. At all.

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September 19, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
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Why make the devs have to think twice (or ten times) about whether to post details about the progress they are making?

I know after a long battle against bugs when I make even a small step toward the completion line, I like to write about it, if only to clarify in my mind the specific progress that has been made.

Now if you want to require that the devs are 100% precise with every post about every detail, then they will become reluctant to post.

Now, I ask a simple question.

Do you like cheerleaders? Say, like: http://www.dolphinscheerleaders.com/

Why do sports teams have the cheerleaders? They dont actually help the players be better do they? Or do they?
Do the cheerleaders start berating the players for making errors? Or do they just make a new routine to encourage the players? positive reinforcement works. positive mental attitude works. there should be no debate about this.

Coding is a mental effort. Mental state affects things that require mental effort. forum posts affect mental state

I am not saying there can be not criticisms, but to pick on the posting of work in progress is not very supportive. Let us try to be more like cheerleaders. When you are criticizing, this requires dev's mental effort to address and isnt it better that this effort be used for coding than responding to criticisms?

Of course, if there is a significant horrible issue that is worth derailing a dev's concentration for an hour (or day), then by all means make a fact based post and it will be treated with the urgency it deserves.

What about positive reinforcement for each small step of progress? This will make these small steps come faster and faster. Isnt that worth the effort to not post a critical post?

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Its not going to happen with those two people, you only have to look at there posts on other coin threads to see that. Shameful behaviour!.

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Its not going to happen with those two people, you only have to look at there posts on other coin threads to see that. Shameful behaviour!.
please let us be optimistic for positive change
I have seen very helpful things from them. We just have to send them some cheerleaders to brighten their day!

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Well you couldnt send any of the guys on this forum to cheer lead. I bet we would all look really bad in a bikini. I know i would  Grin Shocked
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Well you couldnt send any of the guys on this forum to cheer lead. I bet we would all look really bad in a bikini. I know i would  Grin Shocked

Speak for yourself… I look just FABULOUS in a bikini…

*Should see me in a thong but I save that for Thursday nights.

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LMAO! GG  VeryVeriViral
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Thanks James...for answering the call Cool




Now how bout those bikini's!

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Its not going to happen with those two people, you only have to look at there posts on other coin threads to see that. Shameful behaviour!.
please let us be optimistic for positive change
I have seen very helpful things from them. We just have to send them some cheerleaders to brighten their day!

OK send the cheerleaders :-)), make sure they are young, kind, funny, beautiful, not very smart, with large breasts, very long legs and very-very little moral, because I am sick and tired from nasty old women, and I will send back a bus full of primadonnas, because you guys are acting like over sensitive opera singers from the Milan's Scala when not everyone from the audience give a standing ovation. :-)))
Jay Jay, Mad and others are so sensitive about any comments, opinions or anything that is not the preferred cheerleading mantra. Are you promoting here a nazi state in which any opinions that is not in line with the hardcore cheerleading mindset must be ridiculed or are you promoting an investment opportunity? I thought it was the latest one, and in this case you will receive questions as well sometimes. Like today, it was a simple and civil question from me, what's happening with development that it was told long time ago the completion is 95-99%, and as I said the main reason was I asking because there were quite a few ppl saying here this week that they are going to fuck off and sell their coins, because there are no news, and not that I would care about the updated qt wallet.

And please keep posting the development updates, it is always very much appreciated by everyone here.
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Hey all! Laundry done and I'm on my com… pooter now!

What's new?

AltCoinUK - All valid points. That said… remember that DPD… aren't marketers - they are coders and scientists.
We are ironing out these kinds of mishaps but there is NO need to blow them out of proportion.
Crypto is a TINY, IMPATIENT world. VeriCoin is going to buck that trend.

Also I noticed you were following me on Twitter. I sent you a Direct Message so we can get to the bottom of the issues you seem to have.

I'm guessing that you hold $VRC and will probably dump when the time suits you - that's fine. Do what you must.

But ranting and raving over very minuscule mistakes… is certainly not helping your… or anyones… position - with regards to the "price".

Pls respond back to me on Twitter or unfollow. Thanx.

Aside from that… we're all doing our part to help VeriCoin succeed.

Shout out to the VeriCoin community for hanging in there after some really brutal setbacks! Thou… art an awesome community!  Smiley

We're still here. And we're not going… anywhere… but up.

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OK Jay Jay, what you say is so irrational and nonsensical that the price has anything to do with what random user altcoinUK's post here, especially that a) I don't post here lately b) I have acknowledged the devs handled very nicely James' input, that I am not going to have this irrational conversation about your view on what I do, don't do, should do, etc. Lets keep this thread civil as it was in the last few weeks ... you don't need to play the policeman here. Bring a police woman, that will have more effect :-))
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Its not going to happen with those two people, you only have to look at there posts on other coin threads to see that. Shameful behaviour!.
please let us be optimistic for positive change
I have seen very helpful things from them. We just have to send them some cheerleaders to brighten their day!

OK send the cheerleaders :-)), make sure they are young, kind, funny, beautiful, not very smart, with large breasts, very long legs and very-very little moral, because I am sick and tired from nasty old women, and I will send back a bus full of primadonnas, because you guys are acting like over sensitive opera singers from the Milan's Scala when not everyone from the audience give a standing ovation. :-)))
Jay Jay, Mad and others are so sensitive about any comments, opinions or anything that is not the preferred cheerleading mantra. Are you promoting here a nazi state in which any opinions that is not in line with the hardcore cheerleading mindset must be ridiculed or are you promoting an investment opportunity? I thought it was the latest one, and in this case you will receive questions as well sometimes. Like today, it was a simple and civil question from me, what's happening with development that it was told long time ago the completion is 95-99%, and as I said the main reason was I asking because there were quite a few ppl saying here this week that they are going to fuck off and sell their coins, because there are no news, and not that I would care about the updated qt wallet.

And please keep posting the development updates, it is always very much appreciated by everyone here.
I just suggest to let the devs some leeway in posting progress reports without requiring it to adhere to ISO 9000 standards of compliance.
software completion is like the speed of light, you can keep getting closer and closer to 100% but it is never actually achieved. At some point a practical tradeoff is made and 99%+ is accepted.

since we cannot agree on how to measure software completion, it can be debated that the devs were indeed correct in their 95% to 99% completion estimate, but really what is the benefit of such a debate?

I would rather cheer them on and spend time with some cheerleaders, but not so big breasts Smiley

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Jay Jay, Mad and others are so sensitive about any comments, opinions or anything that is not the preferred cheerleading mantra. Are you promoting here a nazi state in which any opinions that is not in line with the hardcore cheerleading mindset must be ridiculed or are you promoting an investment opportunity? I thought it was the latest one, and in this case you will receive questions as well sometimes. Like today, it was a simple and civil question from me, what's happening with development that it was told long time ago the completion is 95-99%[...]

The thing that you, barbaras, and buy4crypto frequently (and sometimes intentionally, I suspect) overlook is that it's rarely the question that upsets people; it's the way that the question is asked, or the comments that accompany it.

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What was the reason the wallet - that was 1 month ago 95% completed, a week ago it was 99% completed - still hasn't released yet? What is the status of software development terms of what modules being developed and what is the expected release time for each?

Those are valid questions. Even your very last question at the end of your post was valid:

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but is it possible to get a meaningful update on the status of development (apart from that go and check the roadmap)?

If you had left it at that, you may have received some answers. Unfortunately, in the middle of that post you just couldn't resist adding:

I understand from the new supreme cheerleader commander Jay Jay that the devs work very hard (we know they always do), the coin is very undervalued (yes it should be 1 billion US$ market cap by now given that 3 people work on it part time), the future is bright and and vericoin will do all great things to human kind, and I accept all the usual cheerleading mantra

While that IS tame compared to some of the crap that has been thrown around here lately, it's still childish and insulting and it undoes the legitimacy of any questions that you raised. Be respectful of others and you may just get some of that respect back.

tl;dr Don't be a douche.

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If you had left it at that, you may have received some answers. Unfortunately, in the middle of that post you just couldn't resist adding:

I understand from the new supreme cheerleader commander Jay Jay that the devs work very hard (we know they always do), the coin is very undervalued (yes it should be 1 billion US$ market cap by now given that 3 people work on it part time), the future is bright and and vericoin will do all great things to human kind, and I accept all the usual cheerleading mantra

While that IS tame compared to some of the crap that has been thrown around here lately, it's still childish and insulting and it undoes the legitimacy of any questions that you raised. Be respectful of others and you may just get some of that respect back.


Well, on that one we have a different view, but I guess that's all right :-)) I fully agree with Buy4Crypto that it is really disrespectful and contra-productive when the BS comes from influential community members like Jay Jay. The VRC to the moon, the price is really undervalued, behind the screen very big things happening type of hype making talk perhaps brings 1-2 BTC from 18 years old high school boys, but it keeps away serious investors, it hurts the image of the coin, because ppl don't like BS. If the vocal supporters want respect, then be respectful with investors and don't assume that the "very big secret things happen behind the closed doors" talk will be taken seriously.
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Its not going to happen with those two people, you only have to look at there posts on other coin threads to see that. Shameful behaviour!.
please let us be optimistic for positive change
I have seen very helpful things from them. We just have to send them some cheerleaders to brighten their day!

OK send the cheerleaders :-)), make sure they are young, kind, funny, beautiful, not very smart, with large breasts, very long legs and very-very little moral, because I am sick and tired from nasty old women, and I will send back a bus full of primadonnas, because you guys are acting like over sensitive opera singers from the Milan's Scala when not everyone from the audience give a standing ovation. :-)))
Jay Jay, Mad and others are so sensitive about any comments, opinions or anything that is not the preferred cheerleading mantra. Are you promoting here a nazi state in which any opinions that is not in line with the hardcore cheerleading mindset must be ridiculed or are you promoting an investment opportunity? I thought it was the latest one, and in this case you will receive questions as well sometimes. Like today, it was a simple and civil question from me, what's happening with development that it was told long time ago the completion is 95-99%, and as I said the main reason was I asking because there were quite a few ppl saying here this week that they are going to fuck off and sell their coins, because there are no news, and not that I would care about the updated qt wallet.

And please keep posting the development updates, it is always very much appreciated by everyone here.
I just suggest to let the devs some leeway in posting progress reports without requiring it to adhere to ISO 9000 standards of compliance.
software completion is like the speed of light, you can keep getting closer and closer to 100% but it is never actually achieved. At some point a practical tradeoff is made and 99%+ is accepted.

since we cannot agree on how to measure software completion, it can be debated that the devs were indeed correct in their 95% to 99% completion estimate, but really what is the benefit of such a debate?

I would rather cheer them on and spend time with some cheerleaders, but not so big breasts Smiley

James

Since you are making a serious money with software development I have the highest respect for you, you are obviously doing the right things and must seeing software development from the correct angle, and I don't want to start an academic debate about what software completion is, but since I have been making living in this business too here is what I think: to me the completed software always has been that it fulfils its intended purpose. Regardless it is written in cobol, assembly, C++ or nodejs, and regardless it runs on a sensor with STM32 mcu and 128kb flash or in your case the ecc crypto module signs the transaction and verifies it too or in Doug's case the UI renders the controls if it does what it intended to do then it's complete. You must draw a line to define the completion, that's how software modules were deployed and have been working in nuclear power plants without being updated for +20 years, because they were accepted as a completed software. I guess it is same with a web socket based module, if that pushes the correct data to the client's browser then that is a completed software.

Anyway, as for the not so big breasts, and since you are the one who will push the price to 100k, just let us know what you need and we will sort out the details :-)))


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