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Sender A, send X transaction to receiver D throught the mixer. Mixer created address C and tells A to send the transction through C to B. Chaeplin was pointing C but didn't know A
Then ATC provided A and B and asked for a direct link between the 2, but none was pointed. Then Chaeplin began to spam A and B with tiny amounts of XC with equal amounts in hope to prove something and there I lost it, but it didn't seem like he proved anything.
Is that right? What did I miss?
Incorrect. A ----> B mixer :: C mixer ----> D I have found B and C. As transaction A and D is revealed. Follow transaction Dev question was 'Is there link between B and C'. Your analysis is based on that the B mixer address has never been used and then you found a bunch of transactions with matching amounts... that is not really a "hard link"... he didn't foudn them, he created them  |
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What about this? Ref: Hash7337f03cc1d0b726d1fb8b0b9e66bc6cc796853379b75d7dd193e6d5e9c33c4f
Appeared inX11Coin 28533 (2014-06-11 13:25:09)
Number of inputs2 (Jump to inputs)
Total in10
Number of outputs1 (Jump to outputs)
Total out9.99999
Size345 bytes
Fee0.00001
Raw transaction
Inputs
Index Previous output Amount From address ScriptSig
0 235b7cba7a...:1 8.329413 XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb 73:3046...e501 33:03f5...9f33
1 2b46b1f30d...:1 1.670587 XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb 72:3045...3501 33:03f5...9f33
Outputs
Index Redeemed at input Amount To address ScriptPubKey
0 Not yet redeemed 9.99999 XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D DUP HASH160 20:788b...2bb6 EQUALVERIFY CHECKSIG
 * block : 28533 * from mixer XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb to XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D : 9.99999 * Search through pattern user@sv2:~/x11coin> ./run.py 28500 28590
* ====> Working block height 28527 has 8 tx
* ====> Searchng XTiH1AgxVoFYLuLamAzRLGbvoAYyxhZJV1
tx: 2 percent 94 value 0.006
*===> block reached
* ====> Working block height 28527 has 8 tx
* ====> Searchng XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb
tx: 2 percent 94 value 0.006
*===> block reached
* ====> Working block height 28531 has 4 tx
* ====> Searchng XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa
tx: 2 percent 100 value 10.0
*===> block reached
*===> Searchng 28533 : diff : 2
*===> XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D 9.99999 link is : XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa <----> XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb
* ====> Working block height 28587 has 5 tx
* ====> Searchng XUZvnU6MrxH49AVaSKwsXJMsyPoicrP6g2
tx: 2 percent 100 value 0.15
*===> block reached
*===> Searchng 28590 : diff : 3
*===> XE3dFcdQ6aH81J6viKraZwauMk9zcP4Ehz 0.14999 link is : XUZvnU6MrxH49AVaSKwsXJMsyPoicrP6g2 <----> XMDDFuadQFGas9Zn8nTMVFFGz9hUc7Jteo
Possible candidate in 28531 Hash7315a0968d1aa71e01031583446625bde7189bee1642d3c85737a537d7480778
Previous Blockc2ef588b1680c5498151345eacc4a3c363d77d802aff45674a597c3bdbfac00f
Next Block7e5eeaeecda5745b32be824e5da54a9a95b5b350126a216bf5499c0f6e5fa2c9
Height28531
Version4
Transaction Merkle Roote9c293aa46b5f2bc684349e6b4accbbb196f36b04742e26d2df53811a2a9fdfd
Time1402492966 (2014-06-11 13:22:46)
Difficulty0.000 (Bits: 1e047c41)
Cumulative Difficulty11 973 042.889
Nonce0
Transactions4
Value out2070.657277
Transaction Fees-1.62137
Average Coin Age9.27782 days
Coin-days Destroyed17767.243184
Cumulative Coin-days Destroyed62.9868%
Transactions
Transaction Fee Size (kB) From (amount) To (amount)
c6d0da399b... 0 0.077 Generation: 1.62137 + -1.62137 total fees Unknown: 0
dcd8718986... -1.62139 0.258 XXrbb5c4JFJTTXwSPJeVXpT1g6Htd4isH6: 1993.671236
Unknown: 0
XXrbb5c4JFJTTXwSPJeVXpT1g6Htd4isH6: 997.64
XXrbb5c4JFJTTXwSPJeVXpT1g6Htd4isH6: 997.652626
2c3d8fcfa4... 0.00001 0.229 XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R: 40.99999
XGn7mdvRKy6LYYdejMYsxx8mCocdyuSXmf: 34.364681
XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa: 6.635299
633fe22002... 0.00001 0.23 XGn7mdvRKy6LYYdejMYsxx8mCocdyuSXmf: 34.364681
XZ2zsBE5oqTciM5bkWtPajqqjQKHNv8Cip: 30.99997
XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa: 3.364701
* multiple tx pattern to same destination  * address never used before 28531 * input value matched.  from address XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R to mixer XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa. * coin flow : BLOCK 28531 from address XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R to mixer XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa --> BLOCK 28533 * from mixer XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb to XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D : SENDER : XLS1oGFeJQ7qjhcVYYg6cXaQ5vfGNBA72R : MIXER INPUT : XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa / never used before : MIXER OUTPUT : XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb : PAYEE : XNLdJtLQKnmi7PSUknoPoPRDjnmJnb3y8D If outputs of address XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa and XNECF1CtdkF2DjuVxcCr8VJEdKiH9ByDMb are spent as an input for a transaction, Mixer identified. Link from wallet B to wallet C is identified As XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa is nerver used before, check XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa's tx. http://cryptexplorer.com/address/XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa
Transaction Block Approx. Time Amount Balance Currency
2c3d8fcfa4... 28531 2014-06-11 13:22:46 6.635299 6.635299 XC
633fe22002... 28531 2014-06-11 13:22:46 3.364701 10 XC
0d227a1fcf... 28540 2014-06-11 13:39:49 0.003 10.003 XC
07957c70d0... 28555 2014-06-11 14:03:57 0.001 10.004 XC
dd438f2fbd... 28645 2014-06-11 17:06:04 (0.003) 10.001 XC
fe5ad7f573... 28645 2014-06-11 17:06:04 (0.001) 10 XC
36e6e4f1bb... 28646 2014-06-11 17:08:27 (3.364701) 6.635299 XC
d24770a89a... 28653 2014-06-11 17:20:52 (6.635299) 0 XC
8e708043fa... 28847 2014-06-11 22:52:01 0.0001 0.0001 XC
Block 28645 has hard link. http://cryptexplorer.com/block/4255ac4c5e93fa1769f58312d76338779229424538357dc4cf00a07fc1aafb74 * Hard Link is real. Ask him if he will be to identify this 1. When he is not GIVEN all the needed info And 2. When there is more than 1 xnode transaction occurring in the same block...... what if all transactions were handled xnode transactions You guys should look at this seriously. I think it can be fixed relatively easily - but if it's ignored it could be a problem for you later. Chaeplin spent a bunch of time working through every detail to get you a step by step description of the issue. And no one is responding seriously, no one has given a counter analysis - that is not a good sign for investors. Can someone show where chaeplin's analysis is flawed? No one has directly responded at any point. Quote a post - draw lines...whatever you need to do. I came to the same conclusion as him after reviewing a series of transactions yesterday - but it was annoying and took me a long time. If this isn't an issue - can someone just point out where? Or create a counter-example? If you want to be taken seriously - I'm pretty sure it's important and shouldn't be brushed off like it's nothing. I don't know how you can call it FUD and ignore it......he walked you through the problem. If you don't understand it...fine - let someone who does argue a counter-analysis. Don't just call it FUD because you don't understand what is going on. I completely agree with you. Chaeplin has demonstrated a logical flow of the transaction and this needs to be addressed. Simply saying FUD is no counter argument. Either agree that the current system is flawed and will be fixed or prove that chaeplin is wrong. chaeplin is the only one providing quality QA for this coin. You need these people to find the problems so they can be fixed. this is rev 1 and it works better then drk your on rev 2 maybe you should be more concerned about your DRK investment then our XC investment..just saying...oh and XC is one month old, how old's DRK again, if XC can do this in one month imagine what 6 months down the track it will look like, i relies your worried about us overtaking dark, you should be... |
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June 12, 2014, 01:14:27 PM |
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What is most interesting is the DRK holders seem more worried (or they would say benevolently interested / doing QA rofl rofl) with us, than grappling with the facts that
1. Masternodes are broken, fix date being pushed out
2. Closed source. Zero code review.. Who's doing your "QA"?
3. DRK is not actually anonymous as they freely admit
If that was my inbox on a coin I was engaged with, I don't really think I would have the time to go round "helping" other coins...
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June 12, 2014, 01:14:34 PM |
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I completely agree with you. Chaeplin has demonstrated a logical flow of the transaction and this needs to be addressed. Simply saying FUD is no counter argument. Either agree that the current system is flawed and will be fixed or prove that chaeplin is wrong.
chaeplin is the only one providing quality QA for this coin. You need these people to find the problems so they can be fixed.
Great work !!!!!!!!!! My MasterNode on testnet is behaving well and giving me payouts so all looking good for the fork. Oooh... ANOTHER DRK troll caring about XC. How nice of you... How's that Masternode working out for you? FoldingTime is right, like it or not. What is trolling is unsubstantiated accusations. |
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June 12, 2014, 01:14:44 PM |
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This thread becomes hot, the hotter the higher!!!
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June 12, 2014, 01:15:12 PM |
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B and C can be used to single input.
Do you mean B and C can be used connected to single input. ? If you mean this then HOW can they be ? |
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June 12, 2014, 01:15:41 PM |
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something wrong with XC?
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June 12, 2014, 01:17:45 PM |
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Here, I am done - I think this makes sense.
Read this while reviewing the flow chaeplin posted:
The transactions sent from the mixer (C) to the end address is of a set size (his example was 10). This is D.
He can then search the blockchain for possible candidates (value 10) via a script. Which gets us to block 28531 - this matches the 10.00 XC value. This can be linked at blocked 28533 with the mixer C - we already know C (output 9.99999).
This allows him to trace back to 28531 in the blockchain - to find the values that == 10.00 and match to a specific address - in this case: XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa which is B.
You can then take all the transactions for this address B - review them and find two matching amounts that == 10 which belong to one single address. This address is A. Since this address B has never been used before this transaction - this is easy to do - and - even if it had multiple transactions - they would not all related back to one single point with one single value (10).
Just for the record, - I think this is right.
Again - I'm participating to participate - nothing else.
If my logic is flawed, let me know please, this is vexing me - because this looks right and all I get is nothing constructive back.
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June 12, 2014, 01:19:25 PM |
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something wrong with XC?
no nothing wrong, possibly something wrong with your eyes though cause you can't seam to read, answering questions for your self is so much rewarding then asking others to do the work for you, not trying to be mean but you only have to read the last 2 pages to see what's going on. |
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June 12, 2014, 01:21:50 PM |
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Hey guys, Fear here. Also Closetmonster for miscers. If you remember me, my friends and I started the big pump for XC. We didnt expect huge fud to drop the price but it had to be done. That being said, insider info. we love this coin.  Cheers you people are still messing around with chaeplin and leave fearcoka's comment like this? you people are not die hard XCers... ty fearcoka for ur reply, I am inclined to stock up, NOW. |
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June 12, 2014, 01:28:18 PM |
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Here, I am done - I think this makes sense.
Read this while reviewing the flow chaeplin posted:
The transactions sent from the mixer (C) to the end address is of a set size (his example was 10). This is D.
He can then search the blockchain for possible candidates (value 10) via a script. Which gets us to block 28531 - this matches the 10.00 XC value. This can be linked at blocked 28533 with the mixer C - we already know C (output 9.99999).
This allows him to trace back to 28531 in the blockchain - to find the values that == 10.00 and match to a specific address - in this case: XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa which is B.
You can then take all the transactions for this address B - review them and find two matching amounts that == 10 which belong to one single address. This address is A. Since this address B has never been used before this transaction - this is easy to do - and - even if it had multiple transactions - they would not all related back to one single point with one single value (10).
Thanks, this seems a clear explanation. To prevent this kind of tracking, the solution could be multiple node used for one transaction. Is this the multipath revision announced by the dev? What is DRK solution to prevent this kind of analysis? |
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June 12, 2014, 01:29:05 PM |
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Here, I am done - I think this makes sense.
Read this while reviewing the flow chaeplin posted:
The transactions sent from the mixer (C) to the end address is of a set size (his example was 10). This is D.
He can then search the blockchain for possible candidates (value 10) via a script. Which gets us to block 28531 - this matches the 10.00 XC value. This can be linked at blocked 28533 with the mixer C - we already know C (output 9.99999).
This allows him to trace back to 28531 in the blockchain - to find the values that == 10.00 and match to a specific address - in this case: XQdBjeQtH1JGrkd2MWcXbtsRVeKHWZbnqa which is B.
You can then take all the transactions for this address B - review them and find two matching amounts that == 10 which belong to one single address. This address is A. Since this address B has never been used before this transaction - this is easy to do - and - even if it had multiple transactions - they would not all related back to one single point with one single value (10).
Just for the record, - I think this is right.
Again - I'm participating to participate - nothing else.
If my logic is flawed, let me know please, this is vexing me - because this looks right and all I get is nothing constructive back.
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June 12, 2014, 01:29:40 PM |
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B and C can be used to single input.
Do you mean B and C can be used connected to single input. ? If you mean this then HOW can they be ? multiple input to a single transaction. Mixer use your wallet. Check my post. It's all about that. |
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June 12, 2014, 01:29:56 PM |
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I completely agree with you. Chaeplin has demonstrated a logical flow of the transaction and this needs to be addressed. Simply saying FUD is no counter argument. Either agree that the current system is flawed and will be fixed or prove that chaeplin is wrong.
chaeplin is the only one providing quality QA for this coin. You need these people to find the problems so they can be fixed.
Great work !!!!!!!!!! My MasterNode on testnet is behaving well and giving me payouts so all looking good for the fork. Oooh... ANOTHER DRK troll caring about XC. How nice of you... How's that Masternode working out for you? FoldingTime is right, like it or not. What is trolling is unsubstantiated accusations. So, out of curiosity, the 60 masternodes split 150 DRK/ block? And you need 1000 DRK to run a masternode? (~15BTC) http://23.23.186.131:1234/block/000000015add6d1884ccef07093783ebd4cc196ed4b15353a215512fcf36aa2d |
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June 12, 2014, 01:32:55 PM |
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Hey guys, Fear here. Also Closetmonster for miscers. If you remember me, my friends and I started the big pump for XC. We didnt expect huge fud to drop the price but it had to be done. That being said, insider info. we love this coin. Cheers you people are still messing around with chaeplin and leave fearcoka's comment like this? you people are not die hard XCers... ty fearcoka for ur reply, I am inclined to stock up, NOW. I have been filling.... filling..... thanks for the push below .0012 while I was dreaming.... |
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June 12, 2014, 01:33:11 PM |
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I completely agree with you. Chaeplin has demonstrated a logical flow of the transaction and this needs to be addressed. Simply saying FUD is no counter argument. Either agree that the current system is flawed and will be fixed or prove that chaeplin is wrong.
chaeplin is the only one providing quality QA for this coin. You need these people to find the problems so they can be fixed.
Great work !!!!!!!!!! My MasterNode on testnet is behaving well and giving me payouts so all looking good for the fork. Oooh... ANOTHER DRK troll caring about XC. How nice of you... How's that Masternode working out for you? FoldingTime is right, like it or not. What is trolling is unsubstantiated accusations. So, out of curiosity, the 60 masternodes split 150 DRK/ block? And you need 1000 DRK to run a masternode? (~15BTC) http://23.23.186.131:1234/block/000000015add6d1884ccef07093783ebd4cc196ed4b15353a215512fcf36aa2dOn mainnet there are hundreds. |
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June 12, 2014, 01:35:19 PM |
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I completely agree with you. Chaeplin has demonstrated a logical flow of the transaction and this needs to be addressed. Simply saying FUD is no counter argument. Either agree that the current system is flawed and will be fixed or prove that chaeplin is wrong.
chaeplin is the only one providing quality QA for this coin. You need these people to find the problems so they can be fixed.
Great work !!!!!!!!!! My MasterNode on testnet is behaving well and giving me payouts so all looking good for the fork. Oooh... ANOTHER DRK troll caring about XC. How nice of you... How's that Masternode working out for you? FoldingTime is right, like it or not. What is trolling is unsubstantiated accusations. So, out of curiosity, the 60 masternodes split 150 DRK/ block? And you need 1000 DRK to run a masternode? (~15BTC) http://23.23.186.131:1234/block/000000015add6d1884ccef07093783ebd4cc196ed4b15353a215512fcf36aa2dOn mainnet there are hundreds. t y |
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June 12, 2014, 01:39:25 PM |
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June 12, 2014, 01:42:27 PM |
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June 12, 2014, 01:43:46 PM
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Hey a lot of things happening in the background with this coin,dumpers will feel really silly later.
I'm part of the XC Foundation and have been featured on the World Crypto Network on youtube.
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