NEM Official Non-Moderated Thread [Updates & Discussion]

[nutildah]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture. And to drag Satoshi into this??? Just low man, just low.

[EFFV]

I'm in charge of twitter now and will try to provide more technical details on dev.

https://twitter.com/nemcoin

Please follow! Also, what kind of information do you think people would want right now?

this thread would be a good starting place, it gives a short explanation of the drama and a link to utopian's statement. anyone who reads a couple of posts will get the jist of what happened (not really a big deal when it comes down to it) and they can decide weather they are still in or not. we should use this thread going forward, wouldn't make sense to use the one utopia posted.

Utopianfutures thread is already closed. I agree, a short explanation would be good. It shows order.

[Coinsy]

I think Jaguar will come out and make some statement, but all of us devs talked and we are definitely going to continue. I hope that all stakeholders will carry on and support us and our hard work. When NEM launches it will be the most innovative and advanced coin on the market.

It surprises me that you were considering not continuing? This is going to look like a speed bump in the road in a few months.

[makoto1337]

I think Jaguar will come out and make some statement, but all of us devs talked and we are definitely going to continue. I hope that all stakeholders will carry on and support us and our hard work. When NEM launches it will be the most innovative and advanced coin on the market.

It surprises me that you were considering not continuing? This is going to look like a speed bump in the road in a few months.

I don't think any of us considered not continuing. However, we still wanted to make sure everyone else felt the some way and I think all of us are on the same page. We have some amazing stuff planned and Jaguar is an AMAZING coder.

NEM to da moon!

[TaunSew]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not.  Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months.  Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way.  UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history.  That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
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[nutildah]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not.  Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months.  Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way.  UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history.  That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
.

UF has already admitted to having more sockpuppet accounts than you are willing to admit he had, ergo, your opinion is meaningless.

[lostisland]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not.  Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months.  Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way.  UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history.  That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
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it's all available for anyone to audit on the google doc. the trolls are simply trying to drive the stake price down to get in.

[Coinsy]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not.  Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months.  Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way.  UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history.  That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
.

UF has already admitted to having more sockpuppet accounts than you are willing to admit he had, ergo, your opinion is meaningless.

Even if UF had 5, 10, hell, 50 sockpuppets the distribution would still be leaps and bounds better than any other IPO. This is honestly retarded how much attention this is getting.

[formula1]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not.  Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months.  Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way.  UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history.  That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
.

UF has already admitted to having more sockpuppet accounts than you are willing to admit he had, ergo, your opinion is meaningless.

Well UP's action is hard to defend but dude you have to stop. NEM has 1000 veteran member, check for yourself. NEM will go on without a "leader"

[EFFV]

I just talked to Jaguar about the new official thread he is leaving it up to me and taumuon. taumuon is currently writing a new layout for a thread. I will talk to him and see what he thinks is best.
-EFFV

[TaunSew]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not.  Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months.  Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way.  UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history.  That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
.

UF has already admitted to having more sockpuppet accounts than you are willing to admit he had, ergo, your opinion is meaningless.

Well UP's action is hard to defend but dude you have to stop. NEM has 1000 veteran member, check for yourself. NEM will go on without a "leader"

NEM has 1000+ veteran members.  UtopianFuture has been replaced already but it's going to be a FUD vehicle repeated for the next years.  "omg guys, did u hear dat utopianfuture made fake accounts to promote NEM back in January.. omg omg..  dump yo NEM" "NEM falls to $4 - is NEM dying?!"

I'm familiar with all the coins out right now and NEM still looks like the best bet. I'm also a NXTL stakeholder but I'm convinced that coin is full of sockpuppets, since they never did taint analysis like NEM.

[formula1]

UtopianFuture did not scam anyone.  What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter.  All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list.  This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there.  Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.

Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer).  If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).

UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.  

You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture.

No, they are not.  Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months.  Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way.  UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended.

You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January.

The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history.  That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people).
.

UF has already admitted to having more sockpuppet accounts than you are willing to admit he had, ergo, your opinion is meaningless.

Well UP's action is hard to defend but dude you have to stop. NEM has 1000 veteran member, check for yourself. NEM will go on without a "leader"

NEM has 1000+ veteran members.  UtopianFuture has been replaced already but it's going to be a FUD vehicle repeated for the next years.  "omg guys, did u hear dat utopianfuture made fake accounts to promote NEM back in January.. omg omg..  dump yo NEM" "NEM falls to $4 - is NEM dying?!"

I'm familiar with all the coins out right now and NEM still looks like the best bet. I'm also a NXTL stakeholder but I'm convinced that coin is full of sockpuppets, since they never did taint analysis like NEM.

Haha I will be happy with 4$ NEM.

[EFFV]

It is amazing how quickly we have recovered from this mistake, and how efficient our devs and community have reorganized. They deserve an applause for hard work. 

[makoto1337]

It is amazing how quickly we have recovered from this mistake, and how efficient our devs and community have reorganized. They deserve an applause for hard work. 

P2P is resilient. That is why we need a decentralized, new economy that isn't run by monolithic, centralized entities.

[gsxrl3oi]

Lets move on. This is what it's all about guys. Believe in this movement. NEM was gaining steam, we were bound to hit a bump on the road sometime, but lets get rolling again. I'm still waiting for my shares. let's release it already. I know it's not PERFECT yet but all coin where released with kinks still. we work as we go. IMO. sorry. BITCOIN DID IT. why not NEM TOO. dont hate on me ok, I am still waiting patiently so release it when its ready. Thank you for keeping the hope alive TEAM.

[EFFV]

Update: Once TauMuon has finished some work we will update the look of the main thread header/page, and announce this as the official thread. Things may still change though.

Thanks
-EFFV

[EFFV]

Lets move on. This is what it's all about guys. Believe in this movement. NEM was gaining steam, we were bound to hit a bump on the road sometime, but lets get rolling again. I'm still waiting for my shares. let's release it already. I know it's not PERFECT yet but all coin where released with kinks still. we work as we go. IMO. sorry. BITCOIN DID IT. why not NEM TOO. dont hate on me ok, I am still waiting patiently so release it when its ready. Thank you for keeping the hope alive TEAM.

This is the attitude we need. Thanks! Devs are working hard to release a quality Alpha. You will be impressed.

[xtester]

As far as I know, UP only had one sockpuppet that he intended to use, which is legal under the rules (you can have 1 other stake). The other ones he created just to promote the thread and he was planning to donate those to the devs for development and marketing.

To be honest, I don't think it is a big deal, but maybe I am too jaded from all the scams on BTT  

But NEM is really up to YOU, the community. I really hope you will stand behind us devs, because we have been working hard without breaks for months on this.

Let me tell you a little about myself. I am a PhD computer science student and I came up with the idea for POI based on research I have been doing since 2006. I was supposed to graduate at the end of this school year, but delayed my graduation by 1 year to work on NEM. The other devs are at least as committed as I am and I hope that the community will continue to be with us.

Together, let's build a NEW ECONOMY based on the principles of: 1) financial freedom, 2) decentralization, and 3) equality of opportunity.

In solidarity.

You and all the other devs have all my support. NEM will not go away just because of the small and unfortunate mistake of one individual.

We have everything we need to make this happen. Alpha is already in sight, so lets focus on making it big.

Just let me know if there's anything I can help you with.

[EFFV]

As far as I know, UP only had one sockpuppet that he intended to use, which is legal under the rules (you can have 1 other stake). The other ones he created just to promote the thread and he was planning to donate those to the devs for development and marketing.

To be honest, I don't think it is a big deal, but maybe I am too jaded from all the scams on BTT  

But NEM is really up to YOU, the community. I really hope you will stand behind us devs, because we have been working hard without breaks for months on this.

Let me tell you a little about myself. I am a PhD computer science student and I came up with the idea for POI based on research I have been doing since 2006. I was supposed to graduate at the end of this school year, but delayed my graduation by 1 year to work on NEM. The other devs are at least as committed as I am and I hope that the community will continue to be with us.

Together, let's build a NEW ECONOMY based on the principles of: 1) financial freedom, 2) decentralization, and 3) equality of opportunity.

In solidarity.

You and all the other devs have all my support. NEM will not go away just because a small and unfortunate mistake of one individual.

We have everything we need to make this happen. Alpha is already in sight, so lets focus on making it big.

Just let me know if there's anything I can help you with.

Thanks for stepping up xtester. 
 

[mrnxtuser]

Soldier on!