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June 01, 2016, 02:03:17 PM
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Here from nem at Twitter

http://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2016/0531_01.html

Japanese government nem Grin

The report however uses word "node" in an ugly (for crypto currencies interested person) fashion...
Take a look at this paragraph (others about PoS, PBFT are written in the same way, so at least it's consistent)

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PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) nodes through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual nodes as indicators, calculate the significance of each node, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant nodes.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect nodes that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.

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PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) accounts through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual accounts as indicators, calculate the significance of each account, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant acconuts.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect accounts that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.

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June 01, 2016, 05:59:42 PM
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I am sure it was already explained somewhere on the thread but I could not find it. What are Supernodes? I know what normal nodes are where the software of NEM is running but what is the difference to Supernodes and what are the advantages / drawbacks compared to "normal" nodes?

Supernodes in a few hours

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June 01, 2016, 07:56:03 PM
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I am sure it was already explained somewhere on the thread but I could not find it. What are Supernodes? I know what normal nodes are where the software of NEM is running but what is the difference to Supernodes and what are the advantages / drawbacks compared to "normal" nodes?

Supernodes in a few hours
Supernodes are just super nodes.Smiley Seriously though, they need to pass various tests to qualify. more info here  https://forum.nem.io/t/nem-supernode-rewards-program/1735
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June 01, 2016, 11:04:41 PM
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Jabo38 tell that supernodes will start at 1 of June 2016

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June 02, 2016, 02:45:48 AM
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Here from nem at Twitter

http://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2016/0531_01.html

Japanese government nem Grin

The report however uses word "node" in an ugly (for crypto currencies interested person) fashion...
Take a look at this paragraph (others about PoS, PBFT are written in the same way, so at least it's consistent)

Quote
PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) nodes through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual nodes as indicators, calculate the significance of each node, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant nodes.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect nodes that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.

Now translation for normal people:
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PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) accounts through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual accounts as indicators, calculate the significance of each account, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant acconuts.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect accounts that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.


It's awesome that PoI was in the METI (経産省) report! Unfortunately, their explanation of PoI is not really correct. Importance refers to the graph theoretic importance of an account (in the netted, directed transaction graph). NEM uses hit/target values to determine harvesters, so I don't think "assign easier hash calculations" is correct. Clustering is used not to detect nodes that can commit "unlawful transactions," but rather to help prevent link spamming as part of the NCDawareRank algorithm.

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June 02, 2016, 02:54:21 AM
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Here from nem at Twitter

http://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2016/0531_01.html

Japanese government nem Grin

The report however uses word "node" in an ugly (for crypto currencies interested person) fashion...
Take a look at this paragraph (others about PoS, PBFT are written in the same way, so at least it's consistent)

Quote
PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) nodes through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual nodes as indicators, calculate the significance of each node, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant nodes.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect nodes that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.

Now translation for normal people:
Quote
PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) accounts through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual accounts as indicators, calculate the significance of each account, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant acconuts.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect accounts that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.


It's awesome that PoI was in the METI (経産省) report! Unfortunately, their explanation of PoI is not really correct. Importance refers to the graph theoretic importance of an account (in the netted, directed transaction graph). NEM uses hit/target values to determine harvesters, so I don't think "assign easier hash calculations" is correct. Clustering is used not to detect nodes that can commit "unlawful transactions," but rather to help prevent link spamming as part of the NCDawareRank algorithm.
Somebody in Japan had better contact METI report writer to give him an accurate information/explanation.
Thanks.  Wink
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June 02, 2016, 05:09:36 AM
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Is this him?


hmm, I've also dug something weird about him... http://bit.do/asayama-criminal
Definitely a criminal offence. These kind of criminals go to this prison.......   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o


Why NEM has partnered with money laundering experience?



pls troll in another thread.
thx

everybody that forms a threat to capitalisme will be accused of some sort of criminal activity, even if it's not true.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/12/08/news/story15.html
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/04/18/news/story9.html

And He seems to have many doubts for many years in Japan.
http://wc2014.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/venture/1070357269/


How many new accounts are you going to make  Huh
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June 02, 2016, 05:10:59 AM
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Any news of xem?It has raise for a few days
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June 02, 2016, 06:09:16 AM
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Here from nem at Twitter

http://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2016/0531_01.html

Japanese government nem Grin

The report however uses word "node" in an ugly (for crypto currencies interested person) fashion...
Take a look at this paragraph (others about PoS, PBFT are written in the same way, so at least it's consistent)

Quote
PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) nodes through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual nodes as indicators, calculate the significance of each node, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant nodes.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect nodes that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.

Now translation for normal people:
Quote
PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) accounts through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual accounts as indicators, calculate the significance of each account, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant acconuts.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect accounts that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.


It's awesome that PoI was in the METI (経産省) report! Unfortunately, their explanation of PoI is not really correct. Importance refers to the graph theoretic importance of an account (in the netted, directed transaction graph). NEM uses hit/target values to determine harvesters, so I don't think "assign easier hash calculations" is correct. Clustering is used not to detect nodes that can commit "unlawful transactions," but rather to help prevent link spamming as part of the NCDawareRank algorithm.

Maybe you should tell them that Smiley

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June 02, 2016, 06:57:45 AM
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PoI refers to a method to cluster(39) accounts through transaction graph analysis(40) using transaction
amounts and balances of individual accounts as indicators, calculate the significance of each account, and
assign priority in hash calculations (assign easier hash calculations) to more significant acconuts.
Clustering is supposed to make it possible to detect accounts that are likely to commit unlawful
transactions. PoI is adopted in NEM.

It's awesome that PoI was in the METI (経産省) report! Unfortunately, their explanation of PoI is not really correct. Importance refers to the graph theoretic importance of an account (in the netted, directed transaction graph). NEM uses hit/target values to determine harvesters, so I don't think "assign easier hash calculations" is correct.

They might have simplified it a bit, but that is (sort-of) correct. Importance is part of target value. Nicer target == faster reaches hit. Saying that "easier hash calculation" isn't the best phrasing I guess.

Clustering is used not to detect nodes that can commit "unlawful transactions," but rather to help prevent link spamming as part of the NCDawareRank algorithm.

Indeed, that part (in their raport) is not right.

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June 02, 2016, 07:26:18 AM
Last edit: June 02, 2016, 08:25:06 AM by gimre
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Friendly reminder for our new troll (your initial posts were acceptable, and haven't been removed, but new ones are pure FUD/trollism):

This is MODERATED thread, initial name of the thread actually was: NEM Official Moderated Thread [Updates & Discussion][Civilized Discussion]

AFAIR, non-moderated thread hasn't been closed and still exists: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.1240

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June 02, 2016, 07:38:35 AM
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Jabo38 tell that supernodes will start at 1 of June 2016


I got my first payment yesterday.  Hoping to get another soon for today.  Grin

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June 02, 2016, 08:10:18 AM
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Jabo38 tell that supernodes will start at 1 of June 2016


I got my first payment yesterday.  Hoping to get another soon for today.  Grin


the payments are kind of high right now
70000 XEN for around 150 nodes with current XEM price it is over $30 a month.
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June 02, 2016, 08:26:06 AM
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Jabo38 tell that supernodes will start at 1 of June 2016


I got my first payment yesterday.  Hoping to get another soon for today.  Grin


the payments are kind of high right now
70000 XEN for around 150 nodes with current XEM price it is over $30 a month.


And they probably will be increased after two months. (not promising anything)

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June 02, 2016, 08:29:55 AM
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I think once we have cut the troll disease, our community should be able to evolve and bloom again in no time. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss
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June 02, 2016, 08:57:07 AM
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I think once we have cut the troll disease, our community should be able to evolve and bloom again in no time. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss

Indeed, this is a serious project for serious investors  Smiley Although I like Waves, I like NEM better, can't wait till public platform becomes operational for realz  Smiley

N E M; no 1 blockchain platform in existence
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June 02, 2016, 11:04:18 AM
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If anyone knows how the balance can be shared with multisig to combine enough to make a node work, im keen to know.

NEM, THE SECURE, SCALABLE BLOCKCHAIN [NEM.IO] [T.ME/NEMRED]
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June 02, 2016, 12:05:27 PM
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I think once we have cut the troll disease, our community should be able to evolve and bloom again in no time. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss

One squealing prick is derailing the entire project? I find that a tad difficult to believe.

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June 02, 2016, 01:41:57 PM
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Meanwhile @NextBank with Lon Wong;


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June 02, 2016, 02:55:20 PM
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Meanwhile @NextBank in Japan with Lon Wong;



Looks like it was from here:
http://www.meetup.com/NextMoneyKL/events/231236934/

Great job!

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