OpenBazaar - decentralized eBay

[duckydonald]

open bazzar will become another dark market site, and will be destroyed by govs, this is a waste of time and money.  This site shouldnt be released, cause its to much of a political statment.  The can make this site illegal, and you will def not have privacy.  This site might get traffic but from the dark side.  People are not geeks will not trust a system like, this as people like to have a place or someone to contact, we are in a world where social is everything.  Not a good idea for legitimate people.
This is what will happen if you sell or buy at another Dark Market site, do you think legit sellers are gonna sell here?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/europol-threatens-come-people-using-bitcoin-dark-net-marketplaces-like-silk-road-3-0/

What are you talking about? How can govs destroy it when there's no central authority to take down? You might as wells ay the gov will take down bitcoin because they're based on the same principals and are both great political statements. If people want drugs let them have it. If people want decentralized digital money let them have that too.

They can arrest the or stop the creators, or put them all in jail before it can happen

You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.

 right which will make more honest people afraid of it, plus ebay will pay big money to put bad media and govs will pay to give it more bad rep.

I dont care if there are not in it for profit but allowing somthing like this big, is very dangerous.  Dont get me wrong I am all in for anonymity but now with something like this.  This can help terrorist get out more messages.  You dont understand you going to make it more dangerous world.  who knows the true intention of this Hoffman character and his goons, maybe they are gettting paid by terror group put a site like this, you see how you guys already lose in a court?  I already painted a great picture.  The FBI will see this as a threat.  ------ Just got  a call back and hes glad I reported it.  Good news for us who worry about security.

[Mutley]

right which will make more honest people afraid of it, plus ebay will pay big money to put bad media and govs will pay to give it more bad rep.

I dont care if there are not in it for profit but allowing somthing like this big, is very dangerous. 

Some people will think it is very dangerous whilst others will see it as very liberating. Some people are of the opinion that drugs shouldn't be ilegal and these sorts of markets give those people the freedom to chose which they should be able to.

[inBitweTrust]

You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how tracking down individual drug dealers will be effective with a decentralized marketplace with strong privacy protections built in. It took the combined efforts of multiple departments and millions to catch Ross Ulbrict. They may find that they have a limited budget and need to focus on investigating murders for hire and child porn instead of victimless crimes like drug dealing.

The idea is to make it unaffordable to fund the war on drugs with asset forfeiture alone. Drugs will become legal and regulated because it is obsolete and too expensive to attempt to criminalize it. They will be forced to accelerate decriminalization and legalization which is a great step in both reducing addicts, preventing disease, and liberating society.

I expect large drug kingpins to be caught through enough effort and investigation on openbazaar, but many small dealers will slip by in a thriving market of both legal and illegal goods and services.

[duckydonald]

You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how tracking down individual drug dealers will be effective with a decentralized marketplace with strong privacy protections built in. It took the combined efforts of multiple departments and millions to catch Ross Ulbrict. They may find that they have a limited budget and need to focus on investigating murders for hire and child porn instead of victimless crimes like drug dealing.

The idea is to make it unaffordable to fund the war on drugs with asset forfeiture alone.

you obviously forgot how much the government made from selling of his bitcoins.

[Rampton]

You can't arrest or put people in jail when no crime has been committed or even before one has. They don't have some sort of Minority Report Pre-Crime Internet Unit. They'll just have to learn to deal with it when it comes and go after the individual dealers which is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how tracking down individual drug dealers will be effective with a decentralized marketplace with strong privacy protections built in. It took the combined efforts of multiple departments and millions to catch Ross Ulbrict. They may find that they have a limited budget and need to focus on investigating murders for hire and child porn instead of victimless crimes like drug dealing.

The markets themselves wern't the weak links. I think most of the people that get caught were caught from making silly errors like Ross was. It's not that hard to track the sellers down when you have to go and post the items. You can find fingerprints on packages and narrow down where they're sent from. Then you just stake out the places and wait. Eventually you'll get a catch.

[inBitweTrust]

The markets themselves wern't the weak links. I think most of the people that get caught were caught from making silly errors like Ross was. It's not that hard to track the sellers down when you have to go and post the items. You can find fingerprints on packages and narrow down where they're sent from. Then you just stake out the places and wait. Eventually you'll get a catch.

Yes, good old fashion police work will still catch "criminals" , but what happens when you have a market of thousands of small time dealers competing in a thriving market with little assets each to seize? They can make a few examples at a loss but will eventually run out of money and have to focus their attention on the larger criminals.

Some small time dealers who make mistakes will indeed be caught as well, many small dealers that follow a few precautions will be able to thrive and good for them. I will only be selling legal items on openbazzar as I would have to be a complete idiot to be so outspoken and try and sell illegal items. (additionally, I'm not a fan of drugs, and drug users and want no part of that business)

[duckydonald]

so your just outlooking to the positives and oh yes, this will surely give bitcoin a good name.  I think Ill just have to pull out of bitcoin, since it seems we are in a world of geek idiots.  Again you just point out more negativity for bitcoin.  thats what the media will do to open bazzaar and bitcoin.  which I love by the way.

[Rampton]

The markets themselves wern't the weak links. I think most of the people that get caught were caught from making silly errors like Ross was. It's not that hard to track the sellers down when you have to go and post the items. You can find fingerprints on packages and narrow down where they're sent from. Then you just stake out the places and wait. Eventually you'll get a catch.

Yes, good old fashion police work will still catch "criminals" , but what happens when you have a market of thousands of small time dealers competing in a thriving market with little assets each to seize? They can make a few examples at a loss but will eventually run out of money and have to focus their attention on the larger criminals.

Police can never take down all the crime even in the real world. The majority of crimes or drug dealers go unpunished because they just dont have the resources or intel to cope with it. They usually just work with what info they have and take down what they can when someone slips up. It's hard work but they won't stop doing it.

Some small time dealers who make mistakes will indeed be caught as well, many small dealers that follow a few precautions will be able to thrive and good for them. I will only be selling legal items on openbazzar as I would have to be a complete idiot to be so outspoken and try and sell illegal items.

Depends how good at keeping yourself anonymous is, but I wouldn't like the stress and paranoia or attempting to do so that's for sure.

[inBitweTrust]

Not all police officers are bad people. Some have woken up to the damage the war on drugs has done to society.

http://www.leap.cc/

I will do my best to continue to associate bitcoin with moral and ethical principles instead of state funded terrorism.
Apologists for the evils of violence , torture and kidnapping in the name of the war on drugs will be ignored and ostracized.

[siameze]

The FBI will see this as a threat.  ------ Just got  a call back and hes glad I reported it.  Good news for us who worry about security.

Which I couldn't help but translate as:

[Krang]

so your just outlooking to the positives and oh yes, this will surely give bitcoin a good name.  I think Ill just have to pull out of bitcoin, since it seems we are in a world of geek idiots.  Again you just point out more negativity for bitcoin.  thats what the media will do to open bazzaar and bitcoin.  which I love by the way.

Bitcoin is bigger than just being used for drugs, but people should be free to use the currency as they wish and we can never stop the media from merely associating it with 'bad' stuff, but the public's opinion of it will hopefully change over time especially when they see the positives and benefits of it. Maybe decentralised markets will actually cause a sea-change in regulation and legalisation because if they realize they can't stop them then maybe this is the way to end the war on drugs once and for all.

[mercistheman]

Some folks sure do jump to conclusions... drugs?... sex?... silk road?... I'm sure they know what it takes to stay in business and it ain't supporting illegal activity.
Sheesh... Take a pill (oops here comes the FBI) 

[sidhujag]

Anyone technical care to shed light on why p2p vs blockchain storage such as Syscoin's BlockMarket or NXTFreeMarket? with P2P seems you need to always have node up and running to see the offers, and if they don't come online in hours those offers can be lost?

BTW openbazaar doesn't intend to go annonymity because if ppl sell stupid things they will get jacked, its up to them... its target it for the rest of the world and not darkmarkets..

Shadowcoin's marketplace intends to do a p2p market with anonymity in mind, but still has the problems that all p2p ones have in that they need to always be running since it runs off of a p2p messaging system. (Shadowchat and BitMessage for OB)...

With blockchain now you must add dust fee's to avoid bloat, and with p2p since messages are deleted bloat is less of an issue, but is it really useful (p2p) ?

Any fee structure will have a hard time scaling since the token they use is not only used as a service fee but also a currency and is traded.

[BillyBobZorton]

How much longer till a smart, but not especially techy person can do whatever it is they have to do to buy something here? I'd love to get some honey or socks or whatever, just to try it out.

I have a pc with windows. I'm not looking for drugs or anything illegal and I won't be too mad if I lose a little money in a glitch. Are there actual vendors selling stuff? Is there a tutorial about how to get started? Sorry if I'm being impatient.

I'd probably commit to buying something once a month, if I could.

[duckydonald]

How much longer till a smart, but not especially techy person can do whatever it is they have to do to buy something here? I'd love to get some honey or socks or whatever, just to try it out.

I have a pc with windows. I'm not looking for drugs or anything illegal and I won't be too mad if I lose a little money in a glitch. Are there actual vendors selling stuff? Is there a tutorial about how to get started? Sorry if I'm being impatient.

I'd probably commit to buying something once a month, if I could.

stop boosting for the campaign and read before you post, its not a constructive post, more like a question.

[Rampton]

Some folks sure do jump to conclusions... drugs?... sex?... silk road?... I'm sure they know what it takes to stay in business and it ain't supporting illegal activity.
Sheesh... Take a pill (oops here comes the FBI) 

What business is that? It's a decentralized libertarian market ie you can sell whatever you want on there. Naturally people are going to want to sell drugs. I think it's naive to assume otherwise.

The FBI will see this as a threat.  ------ Just got  a call back and hes glad I reported it.  Good news for us who worry about security.

Which I couldn't help but translate as:

I think this duckydonald guy is just trolling now actually.

[Southampton]

How much longer till a smart, but not especially techy person can do whatever it is they have to do to buy something here? I'd love to get some honey or socks or whatever, just to try it out.

I have a pc with windows. I'm not looking for drugs or anything illegal and I won't be too mad if I lose a little money in a glitch. Are there actual vendors selling stuff? Is there a tutorial about how to get started? Sorry if I'm being impatient.

I'd probably commit to buying something once a month, if I could.

Well it's not even open yet so you might be waiting a while. From what I gather they don't seem to be too complicated nor do you need to be an expert so if you can use bitcoin safely you can probably use this.

[sidhujag]

How much longer till a smart, but not especially techy person can do whatever it is they have to do to buy something here? I'd love to get some honey or socks or whatever, just to try it out.

I have a pc with windows. I'm not looking for drugs or anything illegal and I won't be too mad if I lose a little money in a glitch. Are there actual vendors selling stuff? Is there a tutorial about how to get started? Sorry if I'm being impatient.

I'd probably commit to buying something once a month, if I could.

Im working on the syscoin's block market implementation.. its probably going to be better than the p2p integrations you see with OB and others.. so stay tuned check out syscoin.org new release today.

You shouldn't need syscoin btw to buy... fiat/bitcoin any other currency ppl want to use.

[newflesh]

Is ducky an alt of notlambchop?

The FBI will see this as a threat.  ------ Just got  a call back and hes glad I reported it.  Good news for us who worry about security.

What sort of security is that?

[Firestax]

this bazaar? open?