OpenBazaar - decentralized eBay

[knowhow]

ebay besides fees allows to reverse the transactions... the same way  as paypal allows dispute after 30 days soo those for sure makes any seller sick and thinking camon really chargeback a product sold last month.This is on the way and well potencial is huge and will become the best way to sell and buy anything besides get more attention into bitcoin world.

[neurotypical]

ebay besides fees allows to reverse the transactions... the same way  as paypal allows dispute after 30 days soo those for sure makes any seller sick and thinking camon really chargeback a product sold last month.This is on the way and well potencial is huge and will become the best way to sell and buy anything besides get more attention into bitcoin world.

True, the chargeback mechanism in ebay is exploited on a daily basis to screw up legit merchants, but I think BTC having no chargeback features as of right now may also arise some unexpected problems, like a legitimate chargeback being needed. How would you go about it if you needed to return a malfunctioning product or something?

[sidhujag]

ebay besides fees allows to reverse the transactions... the same way  as paypal allows dispute after 30 days soo those for sure makes any seller sick and thinking camon really chargeback a product sold last month.This is on the way and well potencial is huge and will become the best way to sell and buy anything besides get more attention into bitcoin world.

With a proper escrow system you don't have to worry about chargebacks... refunds should totally be part of the design of a trustless marketplace but not at the buyer's descretion.

With turing complete scripts or peter todd's new OP you can do trustless reversals.

[knight22]

OpenBazaar - UI Demo

http://codepen.io/overra/full/971d031b40fd8492854ff5f0ba71335a/

[Amitabh S]

eBay has one of the worst buggy software running and they are a bunch of frauds. Then why they are still in business?!? Answer is simple. There are no decent alternatives. Hope OpenBazaar will kick their a$$.

[ChrisPop]

Anybody knows if they will provide shipping too? OR we will need to use our own shipping service?

[newIndia]

eBay has one of the worst buggy software running and they are a bunch of frauds. Then why they are still in business?!? Answer is simple. There are no decent alternatives. Hope OpenBazaar will kick their a$$.

Majority of the seller on eBay wont understand the complicacy of OpenBazaar, let alone there is no reason to trust some anonymous escrow.

[OmegaStarScream]

Anybody knows if they will provide shipping too? OR we will need to use our own shipping service?

What do you mean by our shipping services ? Basically the seller ship to the adress provided by the buyer .
Check here for more informations on how it works : https://blog.openbazaar.org/buyers-guide-to-openbazaar-beta-0-4/
"Clicking on “Order Details” on the bottom left will bring you to a screen that allows you to purchase the product. You can determine the quantity desired, and attach a comment for the merchant to see along with your order. If you haven’t entered your shipping address in Settings already, a red warning will ask you to do so before proceeding. The price for the product and shipping and handling are displayed again."

[ChrisPop]

Anybody knows if they will provide shipping too? OR we will need to use our own shipping service?

What do you mean by our shipping services ? Basically the seller ship to the adress provided by the buyer .
Check here for more informations on how it works : https://blog.openbazaar.org/buyers-guide-to-openbazaar-beta-0-4/
"Clicking on “Order Details” on the bottom left will bring you to a screen that allows you to purchase the product. You can determine the quantity desired, and attach a comment for the merchant to see along with your order. If you haven’t entered your shipping address in Settings already, a red warning will ask you to do so before proceeding. The price for the product and shipping and handling are displayed again."

Sorry. I have misunderstood the shipping proccess. Now everything is clear,thanks!

[superresistant]

eBay has one of the worst buggy software running and they are a bunch of frauds. Then why they are still in business?!? Answer is simple. There are no decent alternatives. Hope OpenBazaar will kick their a$$.

Majority of the seller on eBay wont understand the complicacy of OpenBazaar, let alone there is no reason to trust some anonymous escrow.

Are you kidding ? eBay is a pain in the ass, it can take an hour to put an item on sale !
It is no surprise that many people give up.

This is a copy/paste from a selling page :

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I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

[OmegaStarScream]

eBay has one of the worst buggy software running and they are a bunch of frauds. Then why they are still in business?!? Answer is simple. There are no decent alternatives. Hope OpenBazaar will kick their a$$.

Majority of the seller on eBay wont understand the complicacy of OpenBazaar, let alone there is no reason to trust some anonymous escrow.

Are you kidding ? eBay is a pain in the ass, it can take an hour to put an item on sale !
It is no surprise that many people give up.

This is a copy/paste from a selling page :

Code:

Categories where your listing will appear Get help
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Category  
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Computers/Tablets & Networking > Computer Components & Parts > Other Computer Parts
Change category
Describe your item Add or remove options
for Item title
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Required Title  
Help on title
Subtitle ($0.50)  
Subtitle help
Required Condition  
Item condition help
Required Add photos
Upload up to 12 photos that show your item in multiple views (such as front, back, side, and close-up).  You are required to have a minimum of 1 photo in your listing.  
Picture fees help
Try our new enhanced photo uploader.
Classic uploader
Your photos: 0 | You can add 12 more
Click to add photos
(first photo is required)
Gallery Plus ($0.35)  
Help on Gallery Plus
Display a large photo in search results — capture special details or different views for buyers.
Add item specifics
Buyers often refine their search using these item specifics. If you don't provide these details here, your listing may not appear in their search results. 
Help on Item specifics
Required UPC  
UPC Icon
 Brand
Please press enter to open the suggestion layer
Drop down
 MPN
Please press enter to open the suggestion layer
Drop down
Country/Region of Manufacture  Remove 
Country/Region of Manufacture
Specifying the country/region of manufacture can help streamline customs clearance.
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for Selling format
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    Auction
    Current tabFixed price
Pay no insertion fees for auction-style or fixed price listings. Buy It Now is free too. Learn More
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Required Buy It Now price (see listing fees
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)  
Help on Buy It Now price
$
Best Offer  
Best offer help
Allow buyers to send you their Best Offers for your consideration
Respond to offers automatically
Automatically accept offers of at least
Best offer Auto acceptance
$
If the buyer has specified additional terms, you will still need to personally review and accept the offer.
Automatically decline offers lower than
Offer price
$
Required Quantity  
Quantity help
items
Duration  
Help on duration.
Start listing immediately
Schedule start time
PDT
CharityeBay Giving Works
Donate 10-100% of your sale to your favorite nonprofit and eBay will give you a credit on basic selling fees
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for sold items.
I do not wish to donate at this time
ASPCA: American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
Or, select another nonprofit you love
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I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

Agreed 1000% with you mate , Ebay is most likely the most fucked on all shopping website .
I saw some people selling their Ebay accounts for so much once and I decided to make an account and sell some goods on it then when I get enough feedback I sell it and make some profit ... well when I registered I didn't understand a shit and left in couple of seconds after trying hard to put my CS:GO gift on sell - it's really complicated and the design is not newbie friendly at all.

[Finchy]

I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

[ChrisPop]

I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.

[Amph]

I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.

some of those escrow will come from bitcointalk? just curious, there a very high trusted members here, that can help there

[knight22]

I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.

some of those escrow will come from bitcointalk? just curious, there a very high trusted members here, that can help there

The escrow system will be decentralized so anyone could be an escrow...

[LFC_Bitcoin]

OpenBazaar - UI Demo

http://codepen.io/overra/full/971d031b40fd8492854ff5f0ba71335a/

That kind of set up looks amazing. I'm really excited about the prospect of OpenBazaar. Fingers crossed it can really push us into the realms of mainstream adoption. We need a bit of a push now, new adoption has slowed.

[eerygarden]

OpenBazaar - UI Demo

http://codepen.io/overra/full/971d031b40fd8492854ff5f0ba71335a/

That kind of set up looks amazing. I'm really excited about the prospect of OpenBazaar. Fingers crossed it can really push us into the realms of mainstream adoption. We need a bit of a push now, new adoption has slowed.

I share your sentiments. This has to be a push in the right direction.

[Finchy]

I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.

Scammers can easily still profit from it as even a highly trusted escrow may not have all the facts. You could send the item to a scammer and he claims it never arrived or you sent him a broken item or box of rubbish. Similarly someone could actually just send you a box of rubbish.

The escrow system will be decentralized so anyone could be an escrow...

If anyone can escrow then this will lead top problems.

[chopstick]

People will need to make a habit out of *VIDEOTAPING* the opening of all their packages, if such scams start becoming widespread.

That way, you'd have proof that the box either contained nothing or did not contain the item you ordered.

Also, the reputation system should hopefully help you identify scammers before you order from them.

[Za1n]

People will need to make a habit out of *VIDEOTAPING* the opening of all their packages, if such scams start becoming widespread.

That way, you'd have proof that the box either contained nothing or did not contain the item you ordered.

Also, the reputation system should hopefully help you identify scammers before you order from them.

Well if the reputation system ever goes the way of eBay's, it will become worthless. You used to be able to identify scammers more easily on eBay, especially from buyers.

Also as a frequent seller and buyer on eBay (over 2000 feedback), I have seen way more attempts of scamming from buyers than sellers. Actually, I do not think I ever have been outright scammed buying something, there were a few times I had to open a ticket with a seller, but all of them were resolved properly by the seller.

I have have had maybe 30 tickets I was forced to deal with due to buyers claiming they did not get an item, or item not as described, with half of these outright deliberately trying to scam me and the other half at best not properly reading the description (i.e. expecting new when item clearly states used with any flaws described).

If the item is of significant value, I would suggest videotaping as you describe, not only for buyer but the seller as well as they pack the item. Another option as a buyer, maybe even as a seller but I have never tried it, is to open the package in front of a witness, such as delivery person, or hold packages at the Post office, etc and open them in front of the counter person to witness if it is a empty box or rock, etc. I suppose a seller could have everything ready and finish packing/taping the box up in from said counter person and see if they would sign affidavit.

Anyway, the point is scams can occur on both sides of the trade, so don't assume it is just sellers.