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Author Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread  (Read 709824 times)
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August 12, 2014, 03:44:44 AM
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Bitmain was better, I am not sure whats happening, they used to sell from stock and every few days they would lower the price to compensate for the increased difficulty, hopefully they did not find a map from Sam where he shows them the path, at the last days of the S1 it was selling for $180 dollars ( in btc), and I am sure the S3 only costs a little bit more to produce that the S1.

KNC was good in 2013, and now they are terrible.
BFL was never good.
Avalon was only good in the first 2 batches, and then collapsed.
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I chat all day on a lot of trollboxes/forums.  You said it perfectly, I am not sure whats happening.

When people would ask if there was any way to have a chance at making money I would automatically say bitmain and rattle off your reasons above.  ( taking each individuals location and electric costs into consideration ).   Now I say Bitmain is the best, but buying an s3 now at .66 you are mining in most cases just to have a chance at not loosing a lot.  Forget ANY possible chance at ROI.

This next difficulty change is, atm, a game changer for anyone purchasing today at current .66 price.  ( free electricity?  Well then go for it. )


A 40% diff increase is not out of the question...

Given the depth of commercial mines today, a 40% increase in one adjustment is highly improbable.  
I am guessing the past few mild increases have more to do with hobbyists turning off their miners and no new mega deployments coming online.  But it's nearly impossible to predict with any certainty what is happening as the total size of the network is now so big.  It's all guesswork.

but swimmer63  that is Christ {or is it just jpchrist}  talking  he should know all.  If he say 40% we will be lucky if it is not 42 or 45%!

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August 12, 2014, 03:57:02 AM
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Our next increase is already looking like it will be about 23+ %.

To be decided...
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August 12, 2014, 03:59:09 AM
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August 12, 2014, 05:17:34 AM
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Abandon Ship   Roll Eyes

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August 12, 2014, 05:45:10 AM
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can someone shed some light on one of my S3s?

The chips are all ok, no errors reported (as in "x" or "-") and what happens, when I power off the S3 it starts hashing at 450gh/s but veeery slowly over 18-24 hours drops down to 405gh/s average (thats using stats from the miner itself). Why is this happening ? Powering it off and restarting is bit of a pain as the only way to do it is to pull the cables manually out in order not to shut down other miners.

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August 12, 2014, 06:02:17 AM
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Did you make sure the heatsinks were tight? Sounds like heat issue.

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August 12, 2014, 06:04:41 AM
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Did you make sure the heatsinks were tight? Sounds like heat issue.

I have not taken any of my S3s apart. Is that what you are suggesting? The temp is always under 40C.
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August 12, 2014, 07:28:59 AM
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we are fucked with next difficulty increase...  Angry
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August 12, 2014, 07:31:57 AM
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we are fucked with next difficulty increase...  Angry
Maybe, maybe not... lets just see what it (the diff) is when it happens. Hell, maybe Bitmain will give us coupons or something to help out. They are by far the more reliable company out there.

To be decided...
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August 12, 2014, 07:40:19 AM
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we are fucked with next difficulty increase...  Angry
Maybe, maybe not... lets just see what it (the diff) is when it happens. Hell, maybe Bitmain will give us coupons or something to help out. They are by far the more reliable company out there.

I received 1 S3 yesterday(was on customs since 06/08), and the other one still on customs.... grrrrrrrrr Angry Angry Angry

2014-07-31  19:25:00                               Posting 
2014-07-31  19:44:00   SJYX                            Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:36:00   SHENZHEN                    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:59:27   SHENZHEN                    Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:35:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:37:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Handed over to Customs 
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August 12, 2014, 07:57:13 AM
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Abandon Ship   Roll Eyes

So I'm *hopefully* gonna get my sp30 by sept 31st maybe... or so...at the worst..hmmm...
a couple 25% difficulty jumps and I will prove my ability to 'beat the odds' by always buying miners
in the middle of the herd....at worst possible time...max price for miner...max difficulty jumps just
before and when you get it

what can I say...its a gift....

kinda was gonna get an antminer S3 er..maybe ..just maybe ....i should just shuffle off and cry
in a corner w/o one.

this lemming better start learning some lessons and just make www.coinbase.com his friend...

timing is everything and I have everything BUT timing..(should make that my motto)

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August 12, 2014, 08:00:45 AM
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my B6 has a tracking # hope this won't be lemons like B1. go go go UPS
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August 12, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
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we are fucked with next difficulty increase...  Angry
Maybe, maybe not... lets just see what it (the diff) is when it happens. Hell, maybe Bitmain will give us coupons or something to help out. They are by far the more reliable company out there.

I received 1 S3 yesterday(was on customs since 06/08), and the other one still on customs.... grrrrrrrrr Angry Angry Angry

2014-07-31  19:25:00                               Posting 
2014-07-31  19:44:00   SJYX                            Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:36:00   SHENZHEN                    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:59:27   SHENZHEN                    Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:35:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:37:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Handed over to Customs 

thats why dont ship via post..
its better to leave this kind of task to the professional one, i prefer DHL, but lets see what's best in ur country sir
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August 12, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
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we are fucked with next difficulty increase...  Angry
Maybe, maybe not... lets just see what it (the diff) is when it happens. Hell, maybe Bitmain will give us coupons or something to help out. They are by far the more reliable company out there.

I received 1 S3 yesterday(was on customs since 06/08), and the other one still on customs.... grrrrrrrrr Angry Angry Angry

2014-07-31  19:25:00                               Posting 
2014-07-31  19:44:00   SJYX                            Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:36:00   SHENZHEN                    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:59:27   SHENZHEN                    Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:35:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:37:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Handed over to Customs 

thats why dont ship via post..
its better to leave this kind of task to the professional one, i prefer DHL, but lets see what's best in ur country sir


its just that in customs using EMS they stop for example from 30 parcels, 5, and they require you information about that parcel.

Thats what they told me right now. i have to send them information about the parcel, so maybe i have to pay for that S3.....

didnt have to pay for 1st one. DAMN! Angry Angry Angry Angry

yeah i know UPS and DHL its faster, but you have to pay ALWAYS customs with them(unless you live in USA of course)...
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August 12, 2014, 10:51:17 AM
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with the 18% difficulty increase, maybe it is due to the sp30 being shipped, I do not think it is due to the S3 since they are on batch 7, and batch 6 did not sold out, so that means sales are slowing down.

With the huge difficulty increase coming 18%, lower bitcoin price which means the S3 is going up in bitcoins to compensate for the lower btc price in dollars and the fact that it is not sold from stock.

The S3 is no longer profitable even with free electricity, my previous 90 day ROI was based on a 10% difficulty increase, with 18% it changes everything.
Using the lower price of S3 taking bitcoin price at $565, the S3 will most likely go up in btc if btc goes down, ROI is taking 111 days with free electricity and free power supply, if we add any cost for electricity or ps there is no ROI.

Difficulty Day Week Month
Date    Difficulty    Revenue    Profit    Return
2014             -0.6613
8-13 – 8-19 (7 days)    19729 M    0.08772    0.08596    -0.5754
8-20 – 9-1 (20 days)    23280 M    0.1226    0.1202    -0.4552
9-2 – 9-14 (33 days)    27471 M    0.1039    0.1019    -0.3533
9-15 – 9-27 (46 days)    32416 M    0.08808    0.08632    -0.267
9-28 – 10-10 (59 days)    38251 M    0.07464    0.07315    -0.1939
10-11 – 10-23 (72 days)    45136 M    0.06326    0.06199    -0.1319
10-24 – 11-5 (85 days)    53261 M    0.05361    0.05253    -0.07936
11-6 – 11-18 (98 days)    62848 M    0.04543    0.04452    -0.03484
11-19 – 12-1 (111 days)    74160 M    0.0385    0.03773    0.002892
12-2 – 12-13 (123 days)    87509 M    0.03263    0.03197    0.03487
12-14 – 12-26 (136 days)    103 G    0.02765    0.0271    0.06196
12-27 – 1-8 (149 days)    121 G    0.02343    0.02296    0.08493
2015
1-9 – 1-21 (162 days)    143 G    0.01986    0.01946    0.1044
1-22 – 2-3 (175 days)    169 G    0.01683    0.01649    0.1209
2-4 – 2-16 (188 days)    200 G    0.01426    0.01398    0.1349
2-17 – 3-1 (201 days)    236 G    0.01209    0.01184    0.1467
3-2 – 3-14 (214 days)    278 G    0.01024    0.01004    0.1567
3-15 – 3-27 (227 days)    328 G    0.00868    0.008506    0.1652
3-28 – 4-9 (240 days)    388 G    0.007356    0.007209    0.1725
4-10 – 4-21 (252 days)    458 G    0.006234    0.006109    0.1786
4-22 – 5-4 (265 days)    540 G    0.005283    0.005177    0.1837
5-5 – 5-17 (278 days)    637 G    0.004477    0.004387    0.1881
5-18 – 5-30 (291 days)    752 G    0.003794    0.003718    0.1918
5-31 – 6-12 (304 days)    887 G    0.003215    0.003151    0.195
6-13 – 6-25 (317 days)    1047 G    0.002725    0.00267    0.1977
6-26 – 7-8 (330 days)    1236 G    0.002309    0.002263    0.1999
7-9 – 7-21 (343 days)    1458 G    0.001957    0.001918    0.2018
7-22 – 8-3 (356 days)    1721 G    0.001658    0.001625    0.2035
8-4 – 8-16 (369 days)    2031 G    0.001405    0.001377    0.2048
8-17 – 8-29 (382 days)    2397 G    0.001191    0.001167    0.206
8-30 – 9-10 (394 days)    2828 G    0.001009    0.0009892    0.207
9-11 – 9-23 (407 days)    3337 G    0.0008554    0.0008383    0.2078
9-24 – 10-6 (420 days)    3938 G    0.0007249    0.0007104    0.2086
10-7 – 10-19 (433 days)    4647 G    0.0006143    0.000602    0.2092
10-20 – 11-1 (446 days)    5484 G    0.0005206    0.0005102    0.2097
11-2 – 11-14 (459 days)    6471 G    0.0004412    0.0004324    0.2101
11-15 – 11-27 (472 days)    7636 G    0.0003739    0.0003664    0.2105
11-28 – 12-10 (485 days)    9010 G    0.0003169    0.0003105    0.2108
12-11 – 12-23 (498 days)    10632 G    0.0002685    0.0002632    0.211
12-24 – 1-4 (511 days)    12546 G    0.0002276    0.000223    0.2113
2016

It is taking almost 2 years to ROI 0.2 BTC with free energy and power supply.

At 10 cents the kilowatt there is no ROI, things are getting worse just a few weeks ago the point of no ROI was 25 cents per kilowatt with free power supply.

This means the S3 is dead unless the price is dropped bellow 0.5 BTC on the next batch, and most likely on the next batch it will stay at 0.66 or go up to 0.68 btc, and 0.65, 0.64 will not help since there have been already 3 batches in which the price has not dropped.

At this time I would suggest to wait, sales are slowing down, not everyone has free energy and a free power supply, sp30 sales are slow, the current batch has not sold out and current batch will not ROI one powerful reason to stay away from pre orders, once the sp30 stops selling they may start selling from stock and lower the price, if they do then the S3 will have to lower the price to stay competitive, otherwise it will go the way knc has gone. S3 sales are also slowing down, bath1 sold very quickly, so did batch 2, and 3, 4, batch 5 took a long time to sell out, and batch 6 did not sold out, I predict that batch 7 will not sell out at current price.

we will be lucky if the early S3 batch1 to batch 5 can ROI, batch 6 and up it looks very bad for ROI.


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August 12, 2014, 10:57:03 AM
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we are fucked with next difficulty increase...  Angry
Maybe, maybe not... lets just see what it (the diff) is when it happens. Hell, maybe Bitmain will give us coupons or something to help out. They are by far the more reliable company out there.

I received 1 S3 yesterday(was on customs since 06/08), and the other one still on customs.... grrrrrrrrr Angry Angry Angry

2014-07-31  19:25:00                               Posting 
2014-07-31  19:44:00   SJYX                            Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:36:00   SHENZHEN                    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-07-31  21:59:27   SHENZHEN                    Despatch from Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:35:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Arrival at Sorting Center 
2014-08-06  14:37:00   SPAIN MADRID AP    Handed over to Customs 

thats why dont ship via post..
its better to leave this kind of task to the professional one, i prefer DHL, but lets see what's best in ur country sir


its just that in customs using EMS they stop for example from 30 parcels, 5, and they require you information about that parcel.

Thats what they told me right now. i have to send them information about the parcel, so maybe i have to pay for that S3.....

didnt have to pay for 1st one. DAMN! Angry Angry Angry Angry

yeah i know UPS and DHL its faster, but you have to pay ALWAYS customs with them(unless you live in USA of course)...

greedy for "free".. its not good bro

lets see
u lose about half month of mining

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about 7days from now, there'll be a big jump in diff.


if u dont want to pay customs, then just host it, GAW, pcfli (china) or somewhere else
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August 12, 2014, 11:31:12 AM
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we are fucked with next difficulty increase...  Angry
Maybe, maybe not... lets just see what it (the diff) is when it happens. Hell, maybe Bitmain will give us coupons or something to help out. They are by far the more reliable company out there.

The cause of the big jump is a large data centre coming online, not Bitmain or Spondooley.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/08/01/bitfury-asic-maker-builds-20mw-bitcoin-mining-data-center/

There are more big hashrate hikes coming because Bitfury are not the only ones planning on opening more DC before XMAS.

See: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/07/15/bitcoin-infrastructure-may-grow-600m-second-half-2014/

Worst case scenario according to that article, the network hashrate will be at 700 PH by xmas, with a difficulty at a guess, somewhere in the 879 mark.

Same shit happened with web hosting back in the day, data centres cornered the market. Then a large chunk of the world ditched websites, forums etc for Facebook and now its down to about 4 principle clouds, Microsoft Azure, Rackspace, Google, and Hewlett-Packard.

So if it hits 700 PH as some predict by XMAS, then yeah, home mining is fucked and big business will have won again.

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August 12, 2014, 12:29:54 PM
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Did you make sure the heatsinks were tight? Sounds like heat issue.

I have not taken any of my S3s apart. Is that what you are suggesting? The temp is always under 40C.
That's what BitMain will recommend doing is taking off the heatsinks and reapplying the paste. I've got an undeperformer with a "-" asic, so I'll start there first. My temps are the same as yours and I only get 410 now.
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August 12, 2014, 01:15:15 PM
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Hi BITMAIN.

As you're an official representative of bitmain, may I ask you to please provide the source code for your modifications to cgminer in the form of the driver for the S3. cgminer is provided under the GPL version 3 license which means you are obliged by law to provide the source code to any modifications you do if you distribute binaries and you are distributing modified cgminer binaries with every S3.

Provision of the source code would allow us to aid the development of your driver and help bring your version to sync up with the latest cgminer to derive the benefits of newer versions along with its many fixes.

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August 12, 2014, 02:03:29 PM
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UPS SHipping estimate - Wow! Does it really happen this way to us address? A big part of the S3 cost has to include shipping.

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