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March 03, 2012, 06:41:21 PM
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Tickets Available:€70 each


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BITCOIN2012 - www.bitcoin2012.com
After weeks of planning we are glad to announce we will be holding the Bitcoin Conference in London, hosted by the Bitcoin Consultancy. The first conference was held by Mitchell Bourne in association with us. He set an amazing standard, showed us the ropes and bestowed us with considerable experience. This year he will be taking a diminished role as we take over the chariot. We hope to live up to the high standard he set last year.

We plan this conference to be the hub for bitcoiners wishing to learn, meet, do business and expand their minds. This will bring bitcoin to a global financial centre, and be a turning point bringing bitcoin to the fore of the mainstream. It is here that bitcoin will leave its perilous infancy, as the new world briefly meets the old before displacing it.

Bitcoin Consultancy will be applying their resources and previous experience to deliver the event. We are an organisation of 5 members based in the UK. For this project, we have divided up the roles according to our various talents.

Finance panel at Bitcoin2011 Prague

- James McCarthy (nefario), Community Manager. Our liason and public face of the community. As a long term member of the forums, we are glad to have recently taken him on board. His role as a moderator and then his conscientious relinquishing it in moral protest, together with his involvement with several projects including GLBSE, the bitcoin stock exchange demonstrate a high ethical and trustworthy standard we demand.

- Donald Norman, Finances and Sponsors. As the director for the Bitcoin Consultancy, Donald has been in constant contact with business people and authorities regarding bitcoin. Before even enterning university, Donald was already sucessful in business.

- Amir Taaki (genjix), Organiser. Last year, Amir was responsible for designing the schedule and finding speakers. His high involvement in all areas of bitcoin have given him a deep insight to the multiple diverse aspects of bitcoin. As such, he knows exactly the format and way to design this year's program.


Prague venue

Additionally we will see:

- Martin Dittus (martind), Moderator. Martin is a trustee for the London Hackspace, a UK non-profit community run space in central London where people go to share tools and knowledge. Last year Martin and Amir organised the London Bitcoin Weekend where we saw Martin's capability as a moderator and leader of events. We have requested Martin for this conference and he gracefully accepted. He has a gentle guiding manner with people and is a perfect match for this event. Currently he is doing his Master's on the role of technology in urban spaces and has a keen interest in decentralising technology.

- Mitchell Bourne (worldly), Advisor. His passion for bitcoin made last years European Bitcoin Conference, which he led. He has been involved in various businesses and entrepreneurial activities for a long time. His involvement managing logistics and organising last year's conference means he has the direct applicable experience and practice which will be lent to creating an excellent conference this year.



We want to make something for all parts of the community by having very in depth talks from experts about Bitcoin in the following areas:
- Development
- Economics
- Law
- Finance
- Social
- Ethics

We also will have talks on non-bitcoin related projects and about tangential 'new-economy' topics like peer-production and distributed patronage.

Rick Falkvinge at Bitcoin2011 Prague

We want it to be a place to share ideas where people already involved can learn at a high level. We want to include and focus on merchants who are doing novel things that play on bitcoin's strengths. Instead of a merchant who sells a good or a commodity like one would sell for dollars, a merchant who is using microtransactions, merchants whose business could not survive without irreversible electronic and fast payments as is only possible in bitcoin. What can we do with this new technology that is not just cheaper but fundamentally different, what new markets are enabled by bitcoin.

Stefan Thomas at Bitcoin2011 Prague

The most important part of making this conference a success is the community getting behind it. If you would like to show your support, this is what I ask of the community:
- Provide feedback in what you would like to see at the conference, we love ideas.
- Constructive criticism welcome
- If you have something interesting in the works and would like to do a talk on, please submit your ideas.
- If you have some interesting technology you would like to assist in any aspect of the conference please get in touch.
- Any other assistance you would like to offer that doesn’t fit into the above points please let us know.
- Register on the site as early as you can so we have more time to organise logistics(when we have it up).

If we can get community support on the above points then we can focus on marketing the conference to a wider audience. Our aim is to bring in Business People, Entrepreneurs and the Media that bitcoin needs for public adoption.

London 2012
The previous conference was held in Prague as a lower cost option because we were unsure how sucessful the event would become. This year we have a good idea how the conference will proceed, and are expecting well over 300 attendees. In London, we will be able to guarantee Bitcoin2012 receives a considerable amount of exposure outside the community in the mainstream press.


London is the financial heart of the world and the home of Bitcoin Consultancy. We formed this consultancy as a collaborative effort to take bitcoin out of the world of tech geeks and hobbyists into the real world. London is THE venue for doing that.

We have links with journalists from all major news organisations. By holding it in London, we increase the level of exposure for the event from mainstream media.

Many of the speakers we've invited & wish to invite are based in London, and by holding it here means we get higher quality speakers. Higher quality speakers means we can build a great event.

As a transport hub London has several international airports at Gatwick, Stansted, Heathrow, London City and Luton. Making it the top travel hub in the world.

Venue
Imperial, Russell Square, London, UK

Date - 15th and 16th of September, price - first 100 tickets Euro 40. Currently taking registration and accepting sponsors.

Speakers:
- Max Keiser (confirmed)
- Denis Roio (confirmed)

Looking forward to seeing you in London,
James McCarthy and Bitcoin Consultancy
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March 03, 2012, 06:50:44 PM
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Awesome! I will definitely attend and watch this thread Wink

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March 03, 2012, 06:59:38 PM
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Good choice.  Congratulations.
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March 03, 2012, 07:01:49 PM
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This time around, get some press passes ready for people and don't make them pay just to advertise your convention Tongue

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March 03, 2012, 07:27:39 PM
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I suggest having a game with prizes.

It's called "The Hunt for DoubleIcaras"

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March 03, 2012, 07:31:22 PM
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I will attend and I can speak if you'd like me to.

My recommendation is to have it at least 1 month after the Olympics. I lived in Atlanta in 1996 and it took that long for things to get back to normal.

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When? I tried to see a date, couldn't find one. Perhaps I read sloppy?

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March 03, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
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When? I tried to see a date, couldn't find one. Perhaps I read sloppy?

Mats


Date not confirmed, most likely late November/early December.

So shortly after the Olympics is a no go due to venue availability.

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March 03, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
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When? I tried to see a date, couldn't find one. Perhaps I read sloppy?

From OP, inbetween Venue and Speakers, Max Keiser:
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Date, price and website to be finalised. We will not be taking registrations until we have confirmed the date. We are aiming either for September or December depending on several factors.

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March 03, 2012, 08:01:07 PM
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Looking forward to it. It will be almost 2013 though  Wink

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March 03, 2012, 08:10:15 PM
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Looking forward to it. It will be almost 2013 though  Wink

That just means we get to cover all the cool stuff that happened over the year and the plan for the next cool things to get done for the next year.

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March 03, 2012, 10:42:52 PM
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I suggest having a game with prizes.

It's called "The Hunt for DoubleIcaras"

What is the story behind this ?

Did he disappear with the Bitcoin London activity thing Huh
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I will love to come!  Grin

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March 04, 2012, 12:37:33 AM
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I will be there and would love to speak and sponsor!


My recommendation is to have it at least 1 month after the Olympics. I lived in Atlanta in 1996 and it took that long for things to get back to normal.

I agree!

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March 04, 2012, 08:59:47 AM
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Shouldn't this be called Bitcon 2012?
All other conferences are called *con. Word bitcoin refers to the currency, not an event about the currency.

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I must be blind. What is the exact date?
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Cmon people learn to read or at least Ctrl+F "date".

The exact date isn't set yet.

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Watching.

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Ugh... cause London in December is some place I want to go.  If you want a larger attendance, I suggest moving the venue to someplace that has decent weather that time of year.

I don't want to fly from one deary place to another dreary place, jeez!

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Ugh... cause London in December is some place I want to go.  If you want a larger attendance, I suggest moving the venue to someplace that has decent weather that time of year.

I don't want to fly from one deary place to another dreary place, jeez!

Is weather really a consideration for a short conference? Most if not all of Europe is cold in December... at least cold by my standards.

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It is for me. I definitely will not attend due to weather. Not about to fly 12 hours and spend 1000 bucks to go to London in Dec!

If it were some place nice, I would likely attend.

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I thought the overwhelming majority wanted Berlin from the other thread?

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I thought the overwhelming majority wanted Berlin from the other thread?

We did. It's clear that the powers at be have their reasons to ignore it though.

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Berlin would be awesome.

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Berlin would be awesome.

+1

If I have to go somewhere in Europe dead of winter, Berlin is more appealing. London is very dreary and all of Europe is cold but at least Berlin they embrace it!

Its also MUCH cheaper in Berlin.

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Absolutely. I would attend even in December if it were in Berlin.


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I would attend in December if it were in the Canary Islands. They're in Spain, so they're almost part of Europe.
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March 04, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
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Fuck, I'd speak at the conference if it's in Berlin. I'd speak in German at that.

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Absolutely. I would attend even in December if it were in Berlin.



I know both London and Berlin well and it beats me that you think weather in Berlin is good in December, while London weather is a deal-breaker. Not that it makes any sense to me at all, and I was raised in tropical weather.

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I would attend in December if it were in the Canary Islands. They're in Spain, so they're almost part of Europe.

Spain is Europe, but the Canary Islands are African territories and a long flight away from most of Europe.

Seriously would you take the conference down to the Canaries because of the weather?

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Subscribing. It's always hot in Orlando so I don't mind traveling to see some cold!
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I will very likely attend this conference.

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I would fly for good weather, yes.

I have been to London plenty of times and it holds no interest as a destination for me, so if the weather is crappy it has zero appeal. If it were in london in late spring/early summer i would be inclined to go so that i could see more of the UK... but I am not driving around the country in Dec. Whereas I have never been to Berlin, and while my preference is for a warmer climate that time of year, I would be far more willing to suffer the cold to see Berlin.

All things being equal, the Canary islands would be awesome.

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Subscribing. It's always hot in Orlando so I don't mind traveling to see some cold!

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I would fly for good weather, yes.

I have been to London plenty of times and it holds no interest as a destination for me, so if the weather is crappy it has zero appeal. If it were in london in late spring/early summer i would be inclined to go so that i could see more of the UK... but I am not driving around the country in Dec. Whereas I have never been to Berlin, and while my preference is for a warmer climate that time of year, I would be far more willing to suffer the cold to see Berlin.

All things being equal, the Canary islands would be awesome.

We're planning a conference, not a group holiday, if you want sun then go for the Costa Del Sol, the last time someone tried for a sunny place for a bitcoin conference we almost ended up with Bruce Wagners Pattaya.

London is the financial hub of the world (larger than the rest of the EU's financial sectors combined), a world travel hub, packed with media, and where the majority of our speakers are based.



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Looking forward to it. It will be almost 2013 though  Wink

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I will love to come!  Grin

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Don't you mean Bitcoin Lisbon 2012? It's happening in June - July...  Roll Eyes





PS: It's just a joke for the one's complaining about the weather. It may also be a suggestion if someone is willing to take it Wink

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Who simply decided for London just now? I thought it'd be in Berlin this year? November/December is quite late. The only reason to do it then is b/c of the location and the olympics. London is too expensive if you're not a member of the Rothschild family or in a position of mainstream economics. I thought bitcoin was for everyman/woman?

What if we will have the problem with those tainted coins and a huge mess on who is accepting what percentage of taintedness long before the bitcoin community can discuss it in person? Perhaps December will be too late then? There are some urgent questions that need to be discussed rather sooner than later, on a wider base of members if possible.
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James,

we are interested in sponsoring the conference and speaking as well.  did you get my email?

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James,

we are interested in sponsoring the conference and speaking as well.  did you get my email?

Tony



Hey Tony, got the mail (found it in spam), replied.

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Who simply decided for London just now? I thought it'd be in Berlin this year? November/December is quite late. The only reason to do it then is b/c of the location and the olympics. London is too expensive if you're not a member of the Rothschild family or in a position of mainstream economics. I thought bitcoin was for everyman/woman

At the end of the day it's the speakers who make this decision. I guess you can organise another conference in Berlin, but maybe the speakers who are going to talk in London won't do both.

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London is great.

Please give some indication about the date.
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Who simply decided for London just now? I thought it'd be in Berlin this year? November/December is quite late. The only reason to do it then is b/c of the location and the olympics. London is too expensive if you're not a member of the Rothschild family or in a position of mainstream economics. I thought bitcoin was for everyman/woman

At the end of the day it's the speakers who make this decision. I guess you can organise another conference in Berlin, but maybe the speakers who are going to talk in London won't do both.

Good point. Speakers are more important than audience.
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Who simply decided for London just now? I thought it'd be in Berlin this year? November/December is quite late. The only reason to do it then is b/c of the location and the olympics. London is too expensive if you're not a member of the Rothschild family or in a position of mainstream economics. I thought bitcoin was for everyman/woman

At the end of the day it's the speakers who make this decision. I guess you can organise another conference in Berlin, but maybe the speakers who are going to talk in London won't do both.

Good point. Speakers are more important than audience.

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Interested. Subscribing to the thread. Keen to hear a rough date as soon as possible.

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Can I suggest getting in touch with the Adam Smith Institute.  They are certainly a libertarian organisation; but concentrate on the economic side (as you would guess given their title).

Their blog posts suggest they are always involved in some sort of small meeting or other.  Getting them involved (maybe even getting someone to speak) might also get you some good publicity with the London free-market crowd.

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We're planning a conference, not a group holiday, if you want sun then go for the Costa Del Sol, the last time someone tried for a sunny place for a bitcoin conference we almost ended up with Bruce Wagners Pattaya.

London is the financial hub of the world (larger than the rest of the EU's financial sectors combined), a world travel hub, packed with media, and where the majority of our speakers are based.

Yeah, good work.  Why not alienate a portion of your attending audience.  That's the way to win acceptance! 

So the last time someone tried for a sunny place they fucked up and couldn't get their shit together, so that's the reason to hold it in travel destination that no one wants to go to due to the time of year.  Right... silly me.

There's a reason many, many big conferences have their destination in places that people want to go to: increased attendance.  You'd do well to take a lesson from the most successful conferences and not just do your own thing because you *think* doesn't matter.  Learn from other peoples experience instead.

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We are in London = higher quality conference. That's all that matters to me. Build the highest quality schedule and topics. Bring together the best and brightest.

Our organisation's (Bitcoin Consultancy) mission statement is:
"In April 2011, we formed this consultancy as a collaborative effort to take bitcoin outside the world of tech geeks and hobbyists into the real world."

This conference's mandate is:
"To bring bitcoin to a global financial centre, and be a turning point bringing bitcoin to the fore of the mainstream. It is here that bitcoin will leave its perilous infancy, as the new world briefly meets the old before displacing it."

If you notice the actions of our group, everything is aligned with these statements. From our outreach (Bitcoin Media), to the exchange (Intersango to spread BTC) and our development (libbitcoin to enable people to build lots of bitcoin applications). This conference will be no different, and you will see it designed accordingly. We want to grow bitcoin through the vehicle of this conference. It will be a serious pensive arrangement with deep discussions, not a fun-community weekend piss-up.

London is our avenue for doing that. For building the best conference, we are here and have our support network here. It is where we can best perform. Berlin is foreign unfamiliar non-English speaking territory for us. It's not like to create a conference you just rent out a church hall and throw some plastic chairs in. There is a lot of micromanagement and behind the scenes organisation.

And saying you boycott us until you get a sunnier location of your choosing, when this is our highest quality offering is simply childish and ungrateful. I'm not getting paid working 14 hour days, and the rest of my group is also overworked and underpaid. We are in this because we are lovers of bitcoin (and opensource in my case Smiley). And you want to punish us? Come on, I know you're above that as a human being.
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We are in London = higher quality conference. That's all that matters to me. Build the highest quality schedule and topics. Bring together the best and brightest.

Our organisation's (Bitcoin Consultancy) mission statement is:
"In April 2011, we formed this consultancy as a collaborative effort to take bitcoin outside the world of tech geeks and hobbyists into the real world."

This conference's mandate is:
"To bring bitcoin to a global financial centre, and be a turning point bringing bitcoin to the fore of the mainstream. It is here that bitcoin will leave its perilous infancy, as the new world briefly meets the old before displacing it."

If you notice the actions of our group, everything is aligned with these statements. From our outreach (Bitcoin Media), to the exchange (Intersango to spread BTC) and our development (libbitcoin to enable people to build lots of bitcoin applications). This conference will be no different, and you will see it designed accordingly. We want to grow bitcoin through the vehicle of this conference. It will be a serious pensive arrangement with deep discussions, not a fun-community weekend piss-up.

London is our avenue for doing that. For building the best conference, we are here and have our support network here. It is where we can best perform. Berlin is foreign unfamiliar non-English speaking territory for us. It's not like to create a conference you just rent out a church hall and throw some plastic chairs in. There is a lot of micromanagement and behind the scenes organisation.

And saying you want to punish us with a boycott until you get a sunnier location of your choosing, when this is our highest quality offering is simply childish and ungrateful. I'm not getting paid working 14 hour days, and the rest of my group is also overworked and underpaid. We are in this because we are lovers of bitcoin (and opensource in my case Smiley).

Did I miss something? When did Bitcoin become highjacked by self-proclaimed consultants that seem to know what's best for BTC's promotion?

Your mandate sounds a bit deterministic, even dogmatic. You admit that it is doability and not other factors that limit your venue location to London. Most people in Berlin speak fluent English, let alone many other languages. I don't buy the altruistic reasoning of unpaid volunatary service to the community, neither from you nor anyone.

And punishment? If people cannot attend for obvious financial reasons you have more or less limited the audience to an elite. It's not about punishment, it's about not being able to attend. Some places are more easily attendable than others.
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I really don't understand what the problem is with the location, I preferred Berlin but London is almost as good. Any significantly more southern location would increase costs, not decrease them. Flight cost goes way up from any central or northern European location. I live in Finland so flying to either London or Berlin is cheap and when we're talking about a weekend visit that is usually the largest cost. Flying to London is actually cheaper because Ryanair doesn't fly from Finland to Berlin.

London is a major business hub and apparently it's a better location for many of the speakers so it makes sense. Anyone coming from the US will also find it easier to come to London than basically anywhere else in Europe.

I'm not coming there to enjoy the weather, I can go south for a longer vacation if I want warm weather. In that case the higher cost for flight tickets is also acceptable because I'm there for a few weeks. In this case we're talking about a Bitcoin enthusiast/business meeting which is one weekend, I certainly don't want to fly to Canary Islands because the flight cost goes significantly up.

Taking everything into account I would probably prefer southern Spain, southern Italy or Greece or Malta for a European winter conference but I understand the business side of things. Comparing London/Berlin weather is useless, they are very similar. Overall I'm completely fine with it, it's a serious conference not a vacation event so London is fine.

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Who simply decided for London just now? I thought it'd be in Berlin this year? November/December is quite late. The only reason to do it then is b/c of the location and the olympics. London is too expensive if you're not a member of the Rothschild family or in a position of mainstream economics. I thought bitcoin was for everyman/woman?

What if we will have the problem with those tainted coins and a huge mess on who is accepting what percentage of taintedness long before the bitcoin community can discuss it in person? Perhaps December will be too late then? There are some urgent questions that need to be discussed rather sooner than later, on a wider base of members if possible.

The organizers don't have a monopoly on bitcoin conferences. Anyone could organize an earlier conference at some different place, maybe with a different angle and better weather Wink. Put enough time between them, invite other speakers, no harm done.

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Can we all stop hating on Genjix and his team.

They chose London, its gonna be an awesome conference, if you don't like it don't go!

I would have liked Berlin, but who cares, we don't get everything we want in life.

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While I realize my little tiny vote doesn't count, but yes, I will not attend in London in December.  I'm sure I'm not the only one.  

Regardless, when people are going to travel, if they can combine a business trip with a vacation, you'll get a much larger uptake on attendance.  It's why large medical conferences (the ones I'm most familiar with) are held in tropical locations - you can take a vacation and write it off. I mean, I know a 2000+ attendee conferences are small peanuts compared to a Bitcoin conference, but what can you do.  With the Bitcoin conference in London in December, I would not classify that as a vacation under any circumstance, so if I were to want to take  a vacation a the end of the year, like I am planning, it sure as hell isn't going to be there, which means I have to decide between the two.  I can guarantee you Hawaii, Costa Del Sol, Monaco, etc... are going to be far, far higher on my list than London in December, haha.

I'm sure one of those places will have a medical or IT conference sometime around the end of the year, and I can use that as the tax write off instead of a Bitcoin trip.

I'm not hating on anyone BTW, except for perhaps Nefarious' tone, but other than that, I'm merely stating that at least for me, I won't be attending due to location and time of year.  I have no problem with it being in London, I have a problem with it being in London in December.  I would be all over it if it were in late spring or early summer in London. Even probably late summer, but I realize the Olympics puts a dent in that plan.

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Both London and Berlin are excellent locations to hold the conference and there are many people on both sides arguing for London and Berlin.

In London, December's average LOW temperature is HIGHER then Berlin's Daily Mean. London's average HIGH is almost 2x that of Berlin's (wikipedia Climate charts for the cities)

Obviously we can pick only one city. Obviously we cannot throw a conference in both locations as to throw a quality conference takes a huge amount of effort. After long thorough thought we realized London was the by far best place we could throw the best conference.

We can guarantee a much wider audience which will make it a much more successful event (last year's conference, while being a great conference was a financial loss to us and while we love our projects we cannot continue at a loss - we still have free projects like libbitcoin which are a huge cost in terms of opportunity cost). In London, we can certainly bring a much better quality of speakers also which of course will increase attendance and of course the quality. We can organize things in a lot more of an economic way because we are based out of London.

Even for those traveling cheaply we are looking to provide low cost options in London. While we don't have anything concrete yet, we are looking at the ability for a venue (most likely not the conference venue) to allow for people to stay overnight at incredibly affordable rates.

We are hoping for a conference date earlier than December however venue costs will be our largest overhead cost (aside from our team's man hours for the next few months) and we must take venue costs into consideration. However, all things being equal (or close to equal) we will have the conference as earliest as possible.

We understand that if we have the conference in London some people who prefer Berlin will not be able to join us. We also realize if the conference is in Berlin there are many people who live in the UK or would travel to the UK that would not attend in Berlin. While making a choice like this is hard, the aforementioned variables make a London conference better quality and value for the majority of people. We hope to have information in the next 2 months as to if we can arrange for more affordable accommodations in London (something we will likely be able to arrange.)
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Both London and Berlin are excellent locations to hold the conference and there are many people on both sides arguing for London and Berlin.

In London, December's average LOW temperature is HIGHER then Berlin's Daily Mean. London's average HIGH is almost 2x that of Berlin's (wikipedia Climate charts for the cities)

It is possible for a city to be cold (Berlin) while not being dreary and wet and clammy (London). In any case, good luck with the conference.

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Why don't the Berliners organise something else earlier? I'd go to that as well. Actually I plan to visit Berlin anyway, and I live in London.

It's not like you guys can't have talks and conferences in Berlin just because this particular event will happen in London.

BTW, I missed the hackspace talk Sad

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Can we all stop hating on Genjix and his team.

They chose London, its gonna be an awesome conference, if you don't like it don't go!

I would have liked Berlin, but who cares, we don't get everything we want in life.

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Awesome we got Max Keiser. Now all we need as speakers are Alex Jones, Gerald Celente, and Mike Maloney. That would be a trip. Grin

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I'll probably go to this conference. Sounds great.

Regarding topics and speakers I'd love some meaningfull discussion of debt-money in relation to bitcoin. In particular, because of the recent tend of exchanges offering redeemable codes (i.e. promise-to-pay bitcoin) -supposedly backed by real bitcoins (for now).

The parallels between this and the early gold standard strike me as highly problematic. For instance, the bitcoin protocol might limit the bitcoins to 21 million, but there is no limit to the amount of promise-to-pay codes issued on top of the real bitcoins. (fractional reserve)

Why is this good -or bad- and how will this effect the future of bitcoin?

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Hats off the genjix and team for organising the conference, It makes complete sense to do it in your hometown, and Im sure a weekend in London in December will work fine.

London can be done on the cheap, there are loads of backpackers and cheap places to eat and drink.  Its also very cheap to pop down to Costa Del Sol if you need to thaw out afterwards.

The coming months are going to be very busy for the guys, there is never any chance of pleasing everyone so lets just move on and support them in organising the conference.


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I'll probably go to this conference. Sounds great.

Regarding topics and speakers I'd love some meaningfull discussion of debt-money in relation to bitcoin. In particular, because of the recent tend of exchanges offering redeemable codes (i.e. promise-to-pay bitcoin) -supposedly backed by real bitcoins (for now).

The parallels between this and the early gold standard strike me as highly problematic. For instance, the bitcoin protocol might limit the bitcoins to 21 million, but there is no limit to the amount of promise-to-pay codes issued on top of the real bitcoins. (fractional reserve)

Why is this good -or bad- and how will this effect the future of bitcoin?

I would think fractional reserve is possible with any currency - as soon as you have banks which hold them. The key, to me, is the check of sound money, and the lack of tender laws (to some degree).

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will definately attend again!

has anyone an overview of the hackspace infrastructure in london?
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will definately attend again!

has anyone an overview of the hackspace infrastructure in london?

Almost positive they wil rent a venue elsewhere. Hackspace is too small for an event like this.

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Almost positive they wil rent a venue elsewhere. Hackspace is too small for an event like this.
yes, i had that assumption as well. but for the days before/afterwards a hackspace would be nice to hang around..
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will definately attend again!

has anyone an overview of the hackspace infrastructure in london?

Almost positive they wil rent a venue elsewhere. Hackspace is too small for an event like this.

No this is not going to be based in the London hackspace, this isn't a meetup, we're going to be having up 400 people. We're getting a full size venue to allow this.

Although the idea of having a meetup in the hackspace before and after the event is a pretty good one.

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I want to make a week long hackathon of intense coding! I mean if all these cool people fly from the US, it would a waste for them not to stick around! Anyway, we'll have to see and this is something I'll try to setup nearer the date in my spare time (not part of the official conference). Maybe we could pool funds together to rent out a hall and throw down sleeping bags or something. I'll also check with LHS once we confirm the date for the conference.
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This conference will occur around the time the bitcoin block reward halves. Grin


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First 3 spots gone, 7 of the discounted ones remaining.

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I emailed you, we will take 1

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First 6 spots gone already, 4 remaining.

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3 spots remaining.

Like hotcakes.

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I will confirm that I am coming. I will attempt to bring a friend or two as well.

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Two spots left.

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You should raise the prices, Nefario. Get your money's worth.

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You should raise the prices, Nefario. Get your money's worth.

It's called a first tier for a reason, newb.

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You should raise the prices, Nefario. Get your money's worth.

It's called a first tier for a reason, newb.
Heh, I still stand by my point. First-tier or not, they're selling too quickly.

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You should raise the prices, Nefario. Get your money's worth.

It's called a first tier for a reason, newb.
Heh, I still stand by my point. First-tier or not, they're selling too quickly.

Too quickly for...?

Your own personal, uninvolved preferences?

Moving on...

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You should raise the prices, Nefario. Get your money's worth.

It's called a first tier for a reason, newb.
Heh, I still stand by my point. First-tier or not, they're selling too quickly.

Too quickly for...?

Your own personal, uninvolved preferences?

Moving on...

Matthew, let go. Breathe. There's no need to be so angsty.

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1 remaining at 4BTC.

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I'll take the last one Grin




Last 4BTC tier 1 slot gone.

Tier 1 slots are still available but at 9BTC, congradulations to the fast movers.

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Yeah, Atlas is right. These are too cheap. I would buy 3 and put overly comical narcissistic slogans about myself on them.

But this isn't my area :p so I won't get involved or push it
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All tier 1 sponsors have been contacted for payment.

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We've added another two people to our tier 1 sponsors.

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genjix is unaware that someone with multiple bitcoin related activities actually did buy a couple slots. Just an fyi to make sure his post isn't misread to imply any sly commentary.
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When will this be happened? I will go to London during Semtemper. Smiley
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if a tier 1 sponsor place is left, I'd take that Smiley

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A total of 11 places for tier 1 sponsors are remaining. Places are secured once payment is made (this means that failing to make the payment will lose you your spot).

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A total of 11 places for tier 1 sponsors are remaining. Places are secured once payment is made (this means that failing to make the payment will lose you your spot).

Nefario.

Is this a real sponsorship? I feel like 9BTC (about $45) isn't much for a conference of this magnitude, kind of feels cheap.

I want to be a top tier sponsor, should I be waiting for you guys to release the rest of the sponsorship opportunities?

Honestly in terms of the standard of running a conference, this isnt the way to do things.


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A total of 11 places for tier 1 sponsors are remaining. Places are secured once payment is made (this means that failing to make the payment will lose you your spot).

Nefario.

Is this a real sponsorship? I feel like 9BTC (about $45) isn't much for a conference of this magnitude, kind of feels cheap.

I want to be a top tier sponsor, should I be waiting for you guys to release the rest of the sponsorship opportunities?

Honestly in terms of the standard of running a conference, this isnt the way to do things.


Bear in mind this is the first tier of sponsorship(meaning more to follow), we want it to be accessible to everyone who wants to be a part of it. Also an update on that last post, there are no limits for the numbers of tier 1 sponsors(my mistake).

When we have the details of our next tier available we'll announce it.

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A total of 11 places for tier 1 sponsors are remaining. Places are secured once payment is made (this means that failing to make the payment will lose you your spot).

Nefario.

Is this a real sponsorship? I feel like 9BTC (about $45) isn't much for a conference of this magnitude, kind of feels cheap.

I want to be a top tier sponsor, should I be waiting for you guys to release the rest of the sponsorship opportunities?

Honestly in terms of the standard of running a conference, this isnt the way to do things.


Bear in mind this is the first tier of sponsorship(meaning more to follow), we want it to be accessible to everyone who wants to be a part of it. Also an update on that last post, there are no limits for the numbers of tier 1 sponsors(my mistake).

When we have the details of our next tier available we'll announce it.

Nefario.

Why not just have Silver, Gold, Platinum like everyone else does?

It makes it so much easier.

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Why not just have Silver, Gold, Platinum like everyone else does?

It makes it so much easier.

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Why not just have Silver, Gold, Platinum like everyone else does?

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Why not just have Silver, Gold, Platinum like everyone else does?

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I hear you, Im not trying to come off as condescending. I just had lunch with Patrick last week and I had nothing but praise for the conference.

My point is, if I do this 9BTC sponsorship, whats to say you dont come out with a higher tier next week? I want to be your title sponsor, but I need to know that my spot is solid and it seems like 9btc is a little low.

Why not come out with all the available spots from the get go?

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Why not just have Silver, Gold, Platinum like everyone else does?

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I hear you, Im not trying to come off as condescending. I just had lunch with Patrick last week and I had nothing but praise for the conference.

My point is, if I do this 9BTC sponsorship, whats to say you dont come out with a higher tier next week? I want to be your title sponsor, but I need to know that my spot is solid and it seems like 9btc is a little low.

Why not come out with all the available spots from the get go?

OK I know what you mean, and this is something that we were talking about before releasing this. So we don't plan to include lower tiers in higher tiers. Tier 2 will no include tier 1. So people will get to pick and choose what kind of sponsorship they like.

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Part of the reason we will not release all sponsorship plans at once is because we are still looking into prices of certain things and what types of sponsorship we will guarantee. There is no cut off point for the sponsorship and people/companies can be a tier 1 sponsor without being a tier 2 sponsor and visa versa (tier 2 without being tier 1). You could also sign up for tier 1 sponsorship a month before the conference and that wouldn't be a problem.

A very basic example of this is that, until we have the venue booked, we will not know the physical limitations (we may allow for displays) or limitations which the venue operator may have in place. There are also other similar variables we have to work out which will hopefully resolve themselves once we find a venue.
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Part of the reason we will not release all sponsorship plans at once is because we are still looking into prices of certain things and what types of sponsorship we will guarantee. There is no cut off point for the sponsorship and people/companies can be a tier 1 sponsor without being a tier 2 sponsor and visa versa (tier 2 without being tier 1). You could also sign up for tier 1 sponsorship a month before the conference and that wouldn't be a problem.

A very basic example of this is that, until we have the venue booked, we will not know the physical limitations (we may allow for displays) or limitations which the venue operator may have in place. There are also other similar variables we have to work out which will hopefully resolve themselves once we find a venue.

Gotcha! Thanks for clearing it up  Grin

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I recommend timing the conference to be around the same time as the 25BTC reward reduction. Either shortly before so people can talk preparation, or shortly after (better, IMHO) so people can talk lessons learned.

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I recommend timing the conference to be around the same time as the 25BTC reward reduction. Either shortly before so people can talk preparation, or shortly after (better, IMHO) so people can talk lessons learned.

This is London, so "lessons learnt"  Wink

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Someone, please, send me a postcard from the conference Smiley I guess I won't have an opportunity to be there.

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Our plan is to have a venue and date confirmed in 2 weeks time (hopefully sooner)
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We have made progress in looking for a venue but want to check out all possible venues to be sure we pick the best place. We had identified about 50 venues at least to look at. Hopefully we will have a confirmation by the end of the month. There is also some negotiation taking place.
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We have made progress in looking for a venue but want to check out all possible venues to be sure we pick the best place. We had identified about 50 venues at least to look at. Hopefully we will have a confirmation by the end of the month. There is also some negotiation taking place.

We found a trendy upscale loft which looked cool Cheesy but not so much of a conference venue, more for private parties for celebrities.

We want to get a place for 500, but it's difficult finding for that range. Most venues are 200, then a few 300, a huge gap and then places for 2000+ (big warehouses). Still gotta keeps searching and find somewhere nice.
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Conference site is up: www.bitcoin2012.com

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Doesn't seem that complete, for example logos on the first page link to... image files of those logos...

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Doesn't seem that complete, for example logos on the first page link to... image files of those logos...

Not all of them. The one from Intersango links to Intersango.com Wink
They are probably working on it.
Can't talk for the other sponsors, but I've given Nefario the URL where he should link the logo to Tongue

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Doesn't seem that complete, for example logos on the first page link to... image files of those logos...

Not all of them. The one from Intersango links to Intersango.com Wink
They are probably working on it.
Can't talk for the other sponsors, but I've given Nefario the URL where he should link the logo to Tongue

Thats pretty much it, I lost my internet connection until fairly late in the evening yesterday, so it wasn't until 5:30AM that I'd finished, thought I'd leave the links until the next day.

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All sponsors who've sent in their logo are now up, with links to their site.

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I just want to state that, yes, http://bitkoin.su is a proud sponsor of the London Bitcoin Conference.

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All sponsors who've sent in their logo are now up, with links to their site.
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Best of luck chaps, let us know ASAP when you have dates fixed...

In the mean time are there any weekly/monthly meetups in London area?
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Best of luck chaps, let us know ASAP when you have dates fixed...

In the mean time are there any weekly/monthly meetups in London area?

I'll be in the london hacker space on Monday for a bit :p

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Best of luck chaps, let us know ASAP when you have dates fixed...

In the mean time are there any weekly/monthly meetups in London area?

I'll be in the london hacker space on Monday for a bit :p

Meetup there

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Confirming Birgitta Jónsdóttir as a speaker for Bitcoin2012 - London

Birgitta, a member of the Icelandic parliament and spokeswoman for Icelandic Modern Media Initiative(IMMI) and has acted as spokeswoman for Wikileaks playing a major role in the release of the Collateral Murder video from Iraq.




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Confirming Birgitta Jónsdóttir as a speaker for Bitcoin2012 - London

Birgitta, a member of the Icelandic parliament and spokeswoman for Icelandic Modern Media Initiative(IMMI) and has acted as spokeswoman for Wikileaks playing a major role in the release of the Collateral Murder video from Iraq.


holy sh.t, that's pretty tremendous. Wonder what she will talk about?

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You can now see our sponsors in OP

Also we've almost got our venue lined up, and it's looking like we'll be able to have Bitcoin2012 this September, in a central London location!

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I suddenly got an urge to sign up as a sponsor, to request a press pass, and to do a presentation/talk. Seriosuly. Will be in touch, at least some of those things I mentioned might be of interest.



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I suddenly got an urge to sign up as a sponsor, to request a press pass, and to do a presentation/talk. Seriosuly. Will be in touch, at least some of those things I mentioned might be of interest.




Great stuff, looking forward to it.

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Confirming Birgitta Jónsdóttir

Attending !
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I am attending.
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I'm happy to announce that Pieter Wuille (Sipa), core bitcoin developer will be speaking at Bitcion2012

From Belgium, he discovered bitcoin while a PhD student, he began trying to get the reference client to export and import private keys.

After some patches, he was asked by Gavin to join the team in May 2011, and since then spent a lot of time improving the client.

He's been involved in:
  • refactoring and cleaning up the code
  • key import/export
  • wallet encryption
  • message signing
  • compressed public keys
  • BIP30
  • blockchain download speedups
  • bugfixes


Currently working on:
  • deterministic wallets
  • IPv6 support

Apart from client development he also runs bitcoin.sipa.be, the hashrate monitoring site which also acts as a DNS seed for the bitcoin client.

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Has anything happened further with this event? I have not seen any dates as of yet, and nothing listed on the website.

Am I missing another source of information for this event?

Would love to attend but need dates etc.

just my .02 btc
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Has anything happened further with this event? I have not seen any dates as of yet, and nothing listed on the website.

Am I missing another source of information for this event?

Would love to attend but need dates etc.

I discovered today it says 15-16 september on http://bitcoin2012.com/

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Has anything happened further with this event? I have not seen any dates as of yet, and nothing listed on the website.

Am I missing another source of information for this event?

Would love to attend but need dates etc.

I discovered today it says 15-16 september on http://bitcoin2012.com/


Wow really? it was December last I heard here... why isn't that being announced?

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Has anything happened further with this event? I have not seen any dates as of yet, and nothing listed on the website.

Am I missing another source of information for this event?

Would love to attend but need dates etc.

I discovered today it says 15-16 september on http://bitcoin2012.com/


Wow really? it was December last I heard here... why isn't that being announced?

Bitcoinica issue is delaying the organisation of this. Until Bitcoinica payouts have been made (which should hopefully be within a month).
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Has anything happened further with this event? I have not seen any dates as of yet, and nothing listed on the website.

Am I missing another source of information for this event?

Would love to attend but need dates etc.

I discovered today it says 15-16 september on http://bitcoin2012.com/


Wow really? it was December last I heard here... why isn't that being announced?

Bitcoinica issue is delaying the organisation of this. Until Bitcoinica payouts have been made (which should hopefully be within a month).

lol?
i have to go to THIS thread to get a statement when you plan to make payouts?
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Although the official site does list those dates (Sep 15-16), they are assumed to be tentative as per the Tickets page on that same site:

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Date and price  are still to be finalised. We will not be taking registrations until we have confirmed the date.

We are aiming either for September or December depending on several factors.

In any case for those arranging international travel, time is getting short for confirmation of venue, dates, and tickets.

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Although the official site does list those dates (Sep 15-16), they are assumed to be tentative as per the Tickets page on that same site:

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Date and price  are still to be finalised. We will not be taking registrations until we have confirmed the date.

We are aiming either for September or December depending on several factors.

In any case for those arranging international travel, time is getting short for confirmation of venue, dates, and tickets.

Sorry, I've updated this info. The dates are final as the venue and everything have been booked. We were just about to announce the conference before this Bitcoinica debacle.
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I'm biased, because the dates of 15-16 Sep are really bad for me, I don't know if I'll be able to make it then, and I wish a different date will be chosen.

But I think that if other events are standing in the way of organizing the conference properly, you should really consider trying to cancel the arrangements you've made for those dates. Choose a more realistic date and make the required preparations, better to have a delayed conference than stressing out over trying to do too much in too little time and ending up with a flop.

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So is this going ahead despite the Bitcoinica fiasco?

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So is this going ahead despite the Bitcoinica fiasco?

Yes, we'll be kicking things off fairly soon for this.

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I applied to be a speaker, and here is a poll to determine what I'd be talking about:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93940.0
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Call for papers is open. Email genjix@bitcoin2012.com with your proposals. Accepted papers announced at the end of August.
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I don't think Bitcoinica "Bitcoin Consultancy" should be the sponsor of this Conference.

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I don't think Bitcoinica "Bitcoin Consultancy" should be the sponsor of this Conference.

They're not, they are the organisers which they should be, they ran an excellent conference last year in Prague, this one is going to be an absolute blast, have you not seen the list of speakers?

One word - Awesome.

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... have you not seen the list of speakers?
Richard Stallman and Max Keiser in the one place? Awesome indeed!
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I don't think Bitcoinica "Bitcoin Consultancy" should be the sponsor of this Conference.

They're not, they are the organisers which they should be, they ran an excellent conference last year in Prague, this one is going to be an absolute blast, have you not seen the list of speakers?

One word - Awesome.

Richard Stallman ? This rocks.

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... have you not seen the list of speakers?
Richard Stallman and Max Keiser in the one place? Awesome indeed!
Why should Max Keiser be invited? He has not supported bitcoin much since the initial topic on his tv show, back in 2011.

His crowdsourcing website piratemyfilm.com still uses paypal and does not accept bitcoin.

Nor does he accept bitcoin payments for his standup shows when he goes on tour.

He should be dis-invited.
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His crowdsourcing website piratemyfilm.com still uses paypal and does not accept bitcoin.
I'm pretty sure it does, you just can't have both within one funding - it's one or the other. Screw Banks was funded on his platform. http://screwbanks.net/

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And yet he's willing to pay his own flight ticket, accommodation and speak for free. He also draws a good crowd that brings attention to lesser known developers. He's definitely good for Bitcoin.
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And yet he's willing to pay his own flight ticket, accommodation and speak for free. He also draws a good crowd that brings attention to lesser known developers. He's definitely good for Bitcoin.
Also, he understands Bitcoin (low transaction costs & getting rid of banksters).
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Hey,

I added details of the venue, places to stay and directions:

http://www.bitcoin2012.com/venue

I'll put up the schedule soon.

For tickets, email genjix@bitcoin2012.com. First 100 tickets are €40.
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I put up the schedule, http://www.bitcoin2012.com/schedule
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Joerg Platzer of Room77 is now on the speaker list.
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Confirmed James McCarthy (nefario) of GLBSE and Jeremias (kangasbros) of AcceptBit, LocalBitcoins as speakers.
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FYI, there is now a "Meetups" board for events.  There is no post there for this.  Or perhaps move this thread there.

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=86.0
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Confirmed James McCarthy (nefario) of GLBSE and Jeremias (kangasbros) of AcceptBit, LocalBitcoins as speakers.
HEY
Dont you have more important stuff to do? Whats the status on the Bitcoinica returns??
1. why are the claims gone? are they backed up safely?
2. will the return process continue as soon as Zhou sent the funds?
Surely, it is unteneble for individuals who are most probably engaged with or subject of bitcoin-related legal cases in several jurisdictions, to be organising and administrating this event?

Are all of the guest speakers aware that their hosts have reputations which are at best under severe community and legal scrutiny?

Surely there is also a risk that disgruntled Bitcoinica customers will attend the event and disrupt it in an attempt to gain refunds to which they believe they are rightfully and legally entitled?

Perhaps it would be best to transfer "ownership" and organisation duties to some neutral, knowledgeable and senior members of the community? For the sake of saving this event and future ones from jeopardy and damaged reputation? All of this without prejudice to those currently in post, of course.


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Confirmed James McCarthy (nefario) of GLBSE and Jeremias (kangasbros) of AcceptBit, LocalBitcoins as speakers.
HEY
Dont you have more important stuff to do? Whats the status on the Bitcoinica returns??
1. why are the claims gone? are they backed up safely?
2. will the return process continue as soon as Zhou sent the funds?
Surely, it is unteneble for individuals who are most probably engaged with or subject of bitcoin-related legal cases in several jurisdictions, to be organising and administrating this event?

Are all of the guest speakers aware that their hosts have reputations which are at best under severe community and legal scrutiny?

Surely there is also a risk that disgruntled Bitcoinica customers will attend the event and disrupt it in an attempt to gain refunds to which they believe they are rightfully and legally entitled?

Perhaps it would be best to transfer "ownership" and organisation duties to some neutral, knowledgeable and senior members of the community? For the sake of saving this event and future ones from jeopardy and damaged reputation? All of this without prejudice to those currently in post, of course.


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Perhaps the speakers should be contacted by someone reputable and informed that the organizers are crooks...
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Perhaps the speakers should be contacted by someone reputable and informed that the organizers are crooks...

they are no crooks
they just prefer not to answer any mails or to do any action as soon as it gets compilicated.

^^ good to know if you want to do businness with them
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Excuse me, as one of the organisers (who is not involved with bitcoinica in any way) I take considerable offence to this, I and others (who are also not involved in the bitcoinica saga) have put a huge amount of time, effort, energy and our own funds into the organising of this event, and you want to ruin what is to be not just a great conference for everyone involved in bitcoin, but what is surely to be a historic event(700 people).

You'd cut off your own nose to spite your face? Attempt to ruin something for hundreds of other people (who have paid for tickets, accomadation and transport, and the number of small bitcoin startups who've already sponsored the event). Do you realise you would be doing nothing to further your own agenda by taking such a route, but only fucking the whole thing up for everyone else?

And what about the media, you think it wouldn't refect badly on bitcoin because that's what this conference is about, bitcoin and bringing it to the world, how do you think it would look to the rest of the world when they read (in the back of a paper for certain) about bitcoin conference ruined by a small group of protesters who lost their funds on a bitcoin service.

It will be about bitcoin being a wild west, a place for thieves, unreliable. You want that kind of media attention?

I'd thank you to stop your juvenile talk of protests and keep anything bitcoinica related off my thread.

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Excuse me, as one of the organisers (who is not involved with bitcoinica in any way) I take considerable offence to this, I and others (who are also not involved in the bitcoinica saga) have put a huge amount of time, effort, energy and our own funds into the organising of this event, and you want to ruin what is to be not just a great conference for everyone involved in bitcoin, but what is surely to be a historic event(700 people).

You'd cut off your own nose to spite your face? Attempt to ruin something for hundreds of other people (who have paid for tickets, accomadation and transport, and the number of small bitcoin startups who've already sponsored the event). Do you realise you would be doing nothing to further your own agenda by taking such a route, but only fucking the whole thing up for everyone else?

And what about the media, you think it wouldn't refect badly on bitcoin because that's what this conference is about, bitcoin and bringing it to the world, how do you think it would look to the rest of the world when they read (in the back of a paper for certain) about bitcoin conference ruined by a small group of protesters who lost their funds on a bitcoin service.

It will be about bitcoin being a wild west, a place for thieves, unreliable. You want that kind of media attention?

I'd thank you to stop your juvenile talk of protests and keep anything bitcoinica related off my thread.

i can totally understand you and i (i can only speak for myself) dont want to hurt this conference.

but you should be aware that this people are not good for bitcoin anymore. and i can imagine that only because they are involved many people are scared away.

i wont post anything bitcoinica<->intersango related at bitcointalk any more (and i beg others to do the same) - at this point its only bad press and nothing more.
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Nefario, I sympathise with you. However:
It will be about bitcoin being a wild west, a place for thieves, unreliable. You want that kind of media attention?
Is exactly how many Bitcoinica victims feel. There have been many exchange "hacks" and thefts. The only way we will be able to shake this reputation and scurge is if we persue and undermine those who practice such dispicable acts.

You and the rest of the Bitcoin conference should be embarrassed to be associated (which you are, whether intentional or not) with theives and suspected crooks at Intersango/Bitcoinica consultancy, and should be scrabbling around to remove them and all references/connections to them from the conference and the respectable side of bitcoin which you are trying to cultivate.


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Excuse me, as one of the organisers (who is not involved with bitcoinica in any way) I take considerable offence to this, I and others (who are also not involved in the bitcoinica saga) have put a huge amount of time, effort, energy and our own funds into the organising of this event, and you want to ruin what is to be not just a great conference for everyone involved in bitcoin, but what is surely to be a historic event(700 people).

You'd cut off your own nose to spite your face? Attempt to ruin something for hundreds of other people (who have paid for tickets, accomadation and transport, and the number of small bitcoin startups who've already sponsored the event). Do you realise you would be doing nothing to further your own agenda by taking such a route, but only fucking the whole thing up for everyone else?

And what about the media, you think it wouldn't refect badly on bitcoin because that's what this conference is about, bitcoin and bringing it to the world, how do you think it would look to the rest of the world when they read (in the back of a paper for certain) about bitcoin conference ruined by a small group of protesters who lost their funds on a bitcoin service.

It will be about bitcoin being a wild west, a place for thieves, unreliable. You want that kind of media attention?

I'd thank you to stop your juvenile talk of protests and keep anything bitcoinica related off my thread.


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Quote from: disclaimer201 on Today at 02:27:27 PM

Since the conference will probably be co-sponsored by Intersango, this is not going to happen. And this why the conference will fall under a bad light because they cannot afford to lose sponsors I'm sure.


If as many expect, the Intersango trio are eventually proven to be liable/culpable, it could be argued that the whole conference was sponsored by thieves with stolen money.

BB.


Do you want to be offended? So be it. Cutting of ones own nose doesn't make a difference anymore if the rest of your body has been infected with terminal cancer. If I remember correctly, the majority of the people never voted for London to begin with! The organizers chose to ignore that because of pragmatic reasons months ago and I fear they will ignore it again for the same pragmatic reason. You will get no sympathy from me for your conference.
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Sorry, I agree with Nefario here. Keep Bitcoinica issues out of Bitcoin Conference thread. They are completely off-topic.

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Sorry, I agree with Nefario here. Keep Bitcoinica issues out of Bitcoin Conference thread. They are completely off-topic.

+1, agreed

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Sorry, I agree with Nefario here. Keep Bitcoinica issues out of Bitcoin Conference thread. They are completely off-topic.

Are they really? Is this how you deal with criticism, marking it as off-topic? If Intersango is indeed a co-sponsor you will have to deal with the fact that people get upset.
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I plan to go, but I'm a bit worried that the Bitcoinica fiasco may affect it.

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Just because a few idiots stored too much with a website built in 4 days by a 17yo that was already hacked 3 times before this, doesn't mean they have the right to play butthurt and go on everybody's nerves everywhere.

It's getting ridiculous, get over it, as if your lynch mobbing uninvolved people will do anything productive.
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guys, let's just have a nice conference, can we? There's awesome speakers coming and I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone.

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Just because a few idiots stored too much with a website built in 4 days by a 17yo that was already hacked 3 times before this, doesn't mean they have the right to play butthurt and go on everybody's nerves everywhere.

It's getting ridiculous, get over it, as if your lynch mobbing uninvolved people will do anything productive.
Indeed ridiculous!

Just because you are financing your kindergarten summer festival by irresponsibly subjects who have loads of more important issues to work on than organizing musical chairs for you, doesn't mean you have the right to be miffed if your favourite kindergartner is asked to stay home.

...as if I am interested in having such despicable beings involved. btw.: your friends didn't show their productivity when needed.

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guys, let's just have a nice conference, can we? There's awesome speakers coming and I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone.

Yeah! True dat.


Everyone else can come in just to tell them face to face how much they fucked up ;)

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guys, let's just have a nice conference, can we? There's awesome speakers coming and I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone.

Yeah! True dat.


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Yep. Personally, I'm gonna be wearing a horse mask when I speak. No one will ever guess it's me.
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guys, let's just have a nice conference, can we? There's awesome speakers coming and I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone.
Yeah! True dat.

Everyone else can come in just to tell them face to face how much they fucked up Wink

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guys, let's just have a nice conference, can we? There's awesome speakers coming and I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone.
Yeah! True dat.

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Let's just have a nice conference, I don't want to be disturbed by someones butt hurt whether it's justified or not, choose another time and place for that.

That's exactly what I'd be worried about. Perhaps you like vivid discussions.
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I found a nice space for the hackathon:

LARC (London Action Resource Centre) has been confirmed and booked as the location for the pre-conference hackathon. They are a self-organised, non-hierarchical projects for radical social change with suitable facilities for a Bitcoin hackathon.

http://www.londonarc.org/

I've also added more information like accommodation and the address of the conference to the venue page:

http://www.bitcoin2012.com/venue
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So despite key players definitely now being subject of at least one legal investigation, they are still allowed the priviledge of administrating the conference? What goes around comes around, the conference will be brought into disrepute over this.


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So despite key players definitely now being subject of at least one legal investigation, they are still allowed the priviledge of administrating the conference? What goes around comes around, the conference will be brought into disrepute over this.


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oh fuck off. Name me one instance where I lied, or conducted myself improperly. Point them to me. It was me who made public all the emails, released publically all the documents/agreements, released the sourcecode and pushed for communications from zhou's first announcement (everyone told me to be quiet). Your thinly veiled threat is pathetic and petty.

We should never have touched the funds in the first place.
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So despite key players definitely now being subject of at least one legal investigation, they are still allowed the priviledge of administrating the conference? What goes around comes around, the conference will be brought into disrepute over this.


BB.

oh fuck off. Name me one instance where I lied, or conducted myself improperly. Point them to me. It was me who made public all the emails*, released publically all the documents/agreements, released the sourcecode* and pushed for communications from zhou's first announcement (everyone told me to be quiet). Your thinly veiled threat is pathetic and petty.

Bitcoinica has gone into receivership and is being handled by the owners (Bitcoinica LP). We should never have touched the funds in the first place.
You disappeared at the worst of time for months, leaving thousand of creditors in the dark, then you come back with a 4 line reply claiming you've done nothing wrong and we should be grateful for these 2 things you claim you did ?

*That was all the emails ? Really ?

*Should we applaud you for releasing the source code ? (How did that help other than allowing the 40kBTC heist of users money?)
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What has changed from the time you were processing refund to the time you released your mtGox password in the source code ?  
Being at 0% paid back, this is something I'd like a clear statement about.  

What will you do about the funds you already gave away Vs. those accurate claims who got nothing back ?

Ps: Did you just say "Fuck off" ? We were somehow expecting it, but wish you could have said it publicly much earlier.
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Please move this off-topic discussion to the dozen other threads covering the situation.


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Please move this off-topic discussion to the dozen other threads covering the situation.
When reading about the conference I tend to listen to what organizers says (Genjix) and reply accordingly.

So you claim the organizers involvement in Bitcoinica should not affect the conference ?  To each his opinion.

It seems like not everyone agree that Amir has handled the problem as he should have had and that a significant risk remain that the conference will be used as a tribune on this matter.
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It seems like not everyone agree that Amir has handled the problem as he should have had and that there remain a significant risk that the the conference will be used as a tribune on this matter.

Transisto, before Bitcoinica, I had no problems with you and thought you a good person (I still do and don't blame you for being upset over it). But what should I have done differently? You do realise that I have no control over anything.

If I don't organise the conference, then it won't happen. It is my experience and knowledge of this opensource-world, conferences and organising other events that means I know how to create a conference. You're essentially saying that there should be no conference because Bitcoinica lost money and I was affiliated with Bitcoinica? That seems pointless. I'm essentially doing this for free anyway.

Bitcoinica is all in the hands of business people and lawyers now. The reason I took a long hiatus is because it was seriously effecting my mental health. Several people started to tell me to take time out, but I wouldn't listen to them. Eventually it got too much, and I took their advice. I would've been a broken person unable to do anything otherwise.

It did get pretty heavy at one point, but what carried me through was random emails/PMs (reddit, forum, irc) of kindness and support. I never had something like that happen in my life before and it was very touching. Like random strangers on the internet. That was something else. There was one guy even who we exchanged long emails back and forth.

For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more. What really gets me are the people who sent messages like "help! I invested all my money and now i'm borrowing to survive." That's really soul crushing. money is just numbers and w/e. But when it hurts someone physically, that's totally unacceptable to me.

EDIT: My choice of words was poor:

I feel much more for the guy who has lost all of his already small net worth that is paying for his next meal and this month's housing than the guy who has lost a fraction of his already large net worth and has legal recourse available to him.

The absolute numbers don't mean much. It's the effect it has on the person's life.
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It seems like not everyone agree that Amir has handled the problem as he should have had and that there remain a significant risk that the the conference will be used as a tribune on this matter.

Transisto, before Bitcoinica, I had no problems with you and thought you a good person (I still do and don't blame you for being upset over it). But what should I have done differently? You do realise that I have no control over anything.

If I don't organise the conference, then it won't happen. It is my experience and knowledge of this opensource-world, conferences and organising other events that means I know how to create a conference. You're essentially saying that there should be no conference because Bitcoinica lost money and I was affiliated with Bitcoinica? That seems pointless. I'm essentially doing this for free anyway.

Bitcoinica is all in the hands of business people and lawyers now. The reason I took a long hiatus is because it was seriously effecting my mental health. Several people started to tell me to take time out, but I wouldn't listen to them. Eventually it got too much, and I took their advice. I would've been a broken person unable to do anything otherwise. ...

Not willing to follow you on an argument about Bitcoinica "here",  I'm not saying "that there should be no conference" but that the risk of it being a issue is real and should not be sent to off-topic.  I think it would be a necessity for you to make well though of post summarizing your involvement in Bitcoinica BEFORE the conference, It has gotten very tiresome to hear from all sides "I' ve nothing to do with it" maybe telling us who does would ease the pain. I know, you just did, but here was not the place and your words don't seems well chosen given what we are going through.

Here, a post I made 2 weeks ago replying to a boycott suggestion, (obviously, left in the dark, didn't take into account your lack of possible involvement) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97272.msg1074453#msg1074453
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My personal role (not the Consultancy or anyone else's):

- Design a new hedging algorithm for Bitcoinica because the existing one was losing Tihan a lot of money for the last few months.

More here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93319.msg1038189#msg1038189
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My personal role (not the Consultancy or anyone else's):

- Design a new hedging algorithm for Bitcoinica because the existing one was losing Tihan a lot of money for the last few months.
Among others things, you have taken onto your shoulder to be Intersango's spoke person on the matter of [Payout Updates] and the hacks.

And I think you definitely failed at this and having anyone at Intersango to give meaningful updates.

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It did get pretty heavy at one point, but what carried me through was random emails/PMs (reddit, forum, irc) of kindness and support. I never had something like that happen in my life before and it was very touching. Like random strangers on the internet. That was something else. There was one guy even who we exchanged long emails back and forth.

And yet you did not even respond to one of my mails. Was I not depressed enough for you ?

For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more. What really gets me are the people who sent messages like "help! I invested all my money and now i'm borrowing to survive." That's really soul crushing. money is just numbers and w/e. But when it hurts someone physically, that's totally unacceptable to me.


This is really disrespectful. "This guy has more money so who cares if he lost some".
Do you know they are people living in the world with much less than you have ? Still how would you feel if someone took you half your money ?

Money is just number is an easier position to hold when you are not the one loosing the money. Do you know what MINE money feel to me ?
For me money is not just "some number". It is sweat and hard work, my hard work.

You seems to feel no guilt for the release of the database that preceded the hack.

I wanted to go to the conference. Do you know how I feel now sending you 40e now that I have lost 60k ?

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For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more.

Amir,  I look forward to karma coming back to get you.
Believe it or not,  losing 24,000 BTC because of an idiot like you, HAS HAD A BIG BIG IMPACT ON MY LIFE!
People with attitudes like yours give a bad reputation to our entire movement.

Do the world a favor and quit your involvement with Bitcoin.

Sincerely,
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For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more.

Amir,  I look forward to karma coming back to get you.
Believe it or not,  losing 24,000 BTC because of an idiot like you, HAS HAD A BIG BIG IMPACT ON MY LIFE!
People with attitudes like yours give a bad reputation to our entire movement.

Do the world a favor and quit your involvement with Bitcoin.

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Amir,

I've refrained from getting involved at this point, but how dare you say something like this.

For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more.

Do you know how much damn work Roger has done to get where he is today? Do you know how many sacrifices he has made for Bitcoin?

Wait...you don't. Know why?

BECAUSE YOU RELEASED THE GODDAMN SOURCE CODE OF BITCOINICA WHICH HAD THE MTGOX API IN IT WHICH LED TO THE THEFT OF ANOTHER 40K BTC AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY USD.

Your fault! No one elses! How dare you say "Oh, I need time off." Please, I've heard that bullshit before.

Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)

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For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more.

Appalling.
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For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more.

I take it you had another temporal insanity moment when you wrote this, because it is appalling. You could care less that a client lost a lot of money because he has more? Nuts.

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Ok, Back on topic.

Since payments for tickets are to be sent to Intersango LTD will you be offering free ticket to your creditors ?
I was to come but it would feel too odd to give Intersango another 70€

Thanks for the consideration.
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oh fuck off. Name me one instance where I lied, or conducted myself improperly. Point them to me. It was me who made public all the emails, released publically all the documents/agreements, released the sourcecode and pushed for communications from zhou's first announcement (everyone told me to be quiet). Your thinly veiled threat is pathetic and petty.

No need. You just pointed them out yourself: The release of private correspondence and the leaking of company's proprietary source code do most certainly violate any contracts you had with Bitcoinica LP. I'd hardly call that 'conducting yourself properly'. In addition the leaked source seems to be the direct cause of the MtGox compromise leading to a further loss of USD $350K of customer funds.
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This is...I don't even know what to say.   Shocked
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That fat girl is a person you know. Why would you insult her when she's an innocent bystander?

I'm not saying I'm happy Roger Ver lost money, but simply that his life is not really impacted in a huge way compared to someone who barely has enough money to survive or eat because they lost it in Bitcoinica. I seem to recall in Vienna that you were talking about renting out an aeroplane. That's a level of extravagance that goes way way over my head. You probably live far more comfortably than the majority of people do including myself. Don't tell me that 25k out of 50k is more of a loss than $200 of $600. That's the difference between homeless and starving, vs surviving.
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That fat girl is a person you know. Why would you insult her when she's an innocent bystander?

I'm not saying I'm happy Roger Ver lost money, but simply that his life is not really impacted in a huge way compared to someone who barely has enough money to survive or eat because they lost it in Bitcoinica. I seem to recall in Vienna that you were talking about renting out an aeroplane. That's a level of extravagance that goes way way over my head. You probably live far more comfortably than the majority of people do including myself. Don't tell me that 25k out of 50k is more of a loss than $200 of $600. That's the difference between homeless and starving, vs surviving.
Please, stop feeding the shit-storm.

This remind me of your Kangaroo court / McDonald coffee analogy,  Beyond irrelevant.

The part people want a response to is everything but this, One of them being why are you proud of having leaked "released" the source code ?
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That fat girl is a person you know. Why would you insult her when she's an innocent bystander?

I'm not saying I'm happy Roger Ver lost money, but simply that his life is not really impacted in a huge way compared to someone who barely has enough money to survive or eat because they lost it in Bitcoinica. I seem to recall in Vienna that you were talking about renting out an aeroplane. That's a level of extravagance that goes way way over my head. You probably live far more comfortably than the majority of people do including myself. Don't tell me that 25k out of 50k is more of a loss than $200 of $600. That's the difference between homeless and starving, vs surviving.

Not happy, but you don't give a shit.  Hell, if you could steal from a rich guy to help a poorer guy, you should do it, right?

You don't know what Roger's financial situation is, where that money came from, what it means to him, how many years of his life it represents or how its loss will impact him.  For all you know, Roger had deposited that money on behalf of his poorer friends and family.  Roger has done so much for Bitcoin with his own money that any loss he suffers is surely a loss for the whole Bitcoin community.  Roger would have invested that money in more Bitcoin businesses, used it to fly around the world to evangelize Bitcoin, paid for more radio ads.  That is a lot of money that Roger no longer has to give away in an effort to expand Bitcoin's growth and adoption, which would benefit everyone.

Having a high net worth doesn't mean that you can easily afford to take an unexpected 24,000 BTC loss.  I do pretty well but after a few months went by and Bitcoinica still had not returned my funds, I stopped paying my mortgage so I could continue to pay my employees.  I couldn't make the charitable contribution that I'd promised to the local arts center, which has impacted their programming.  The timing was just about as bad is it could possibly have been.  The problem is that most of my assets are illiquid, and you stole my liquidity, which created a cascade of much more expensive problems that affected a lot more people than just myself.  The amount of money missing for me is not the biggest problem--it's the not having it when I expected to have it.

Your statements just prove further that you should never have been in charge of anyone's money.  I don't know what else to say.  I'm appalled.

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Hm. contemplating if I should go to London again anyway, perhaps you could set up a cage fight ?

Stallmann could be the judge.
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I found a nice space for the hackathon:

LARC (London Action Resource Centre) has been confirmed and booked as the location for the pre-conference hackathon.
Will this hackathon include the ceremonial quarterly hack and theft of large quantities of Bitcoinica funds?

Hm. contemplating if I should go to London again anyway, perhaps you could set up a cage fight ?

Stallmann could be the judge.
For the good of the conference, I think the intersango guys should just not show up.

I mean hell, if they were currently holding >$300000 of my money, I'd turn up just to confront them over it.

If there's to be any hope of the London conference being remotely normal and civilised, they can't really be there.
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Not surprised of the examples given by Amir. He is a very political person, which is usually good but not when you're in charge of a financial service provider. He should not be involved in anything money- or free market related. Very interesting to see what happens in the real world if people with "a lot of money" lose it. Many people suffer! Everything is interconnected. Amir should be sued to compensate for the latest MtGox hack personally and pay up for the rest of his life.

Oh, and fuck your useless conference!
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Seriously, this just seems awkward.  The way the bitcoinica thing has been handled, I couldn't support anything organized by anyone who (mis)managed that mess.
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Not only cannot support it, but sure as hell would not send a single satoshi to them for ticket fees? Wonder what the over/under line is for a hack just before the conference that makes all the ticket fees disappear? This is the clown car full of knuckleheads who have suffered three such hacks and still haven't secured anything.



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August 15, 2012, 02:00:46 AM
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That fat girl is a person you know. Why would you insult her when she's an innocent bystander?

I'm not saying I'm happy Roger Ver lost money, but simply that his life is not really impacted in a huge way compared to someone who barely has enough money to survive or eat because they lost it in Bitcoinica. I seem to recall in Vienna that you were talking about renting out an aeroplane. That's a level of extravagance that goes way way over my head. You probably live far more comfortably than the majority of people do including myself. Don't tell me that 25k out of 50k is more of a loss than $200 of $600. That's the difference between homeless and starving, vs surviving.
So when did you join Occupy London ?

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August 15, 2012, 02:11:01 AM
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For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more.

Appalling.

Indeed. I hope someone else from Intersango has some professionalism and can step forward to salvage the reputation.
Amir should publicly apologize for his remarks.
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That fat girl is a person you know. Why would you insult her when she's an innocent bystander?

I'm not saying I'm happy Roger Ver lost money, but simply that his life is not really impacted in a huge way compared to someone who barely has enough money to survive or eat because they lost it in Bitcoinica. I seem to recall in Vienna that you were talking about renting out an aeroplane. That's a level of extravagance that goes way way over my head. You probably live far more comfortably than the majority of people do including myself. Don't tell me that 25k out of 50k is more of a loss than $200 of $600. That's the difference between homeless and starving, vs surviving.
Wow, just wow.  You make me sick.
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For me tbh, I could care less about people like Roger Ver who have a lot of money lost because they have lots more.

People with attitudes like yours give a bad reputation to our entire movement.

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For god sakes people, another thread, one of any of the other dozen or so threads, PLEASE.

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Very interesting to see what happens in the real world if people with "a lot of money" lose it. Many people suffer! Everything is interconnected.

Yep:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoff_investment_scandal#The_Innocence_Project

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For god sakes people, another thread, one of any of the other dozen or so threads, PLEASE.
More than 3/4 of the new comments are about the future of your conference !

For god sake, what's your point again ?
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August 15, 2012, 02:39:50 AM
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But what should I have done differently?

How about not abandoning ship and sticking with the claims process? Sadly it sounds like fucking off at the first sign of trouble is your MO.
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For god sakes people, another thread, one of any of the other dozen or so threads, PLEASE.

I suggest the untainted conference organizers publicly sever all ties with the Bitcoinica trio as soon as possible. This is only going to get worse.
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For god sakes people, another thread, one of any of the other dozen or so threads, PLEASE.

I suggest the untainted conference organizers publicly sever all ties with the Bitcoinica trio as soon as possible. This is only going to get worse.

Nefario,

I agree with this, your a stand up guy with a good reputation.

Your working super hard to do this conference, are you willing to take all this hate to keep the others on board?

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You're all not listening to what I'm saying. I am sorry this happened, but not because a large amount of money went missing but because it affected people in personal ways. Affected them personally.

My choice of words was poor:

I feel far much more for the guy who has lost all of his already small net worth that is paying for his next meal and this month's housing than the guy who has lost a fraction of his already large net worth and has legal recourse available to him.

The absolute numbers don't mean much. It's the effect it has on the person's life.

What do you say to someone when they email you a desperate plea for help because they might not make next week? I remember one guy in particular. I lost his email because I was being flooded with tons of emails. That was really devastating and hard to deal with.
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August 15, 2012, 04:11:56 AM
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It has gotten very tiresome to hear from all sides "I' ve nothing to do with it" maybe telling us who does would ease the pain

Maybe this guy?

http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3715077/shareholdings

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How can you say you are sorry? You didn't do *anything* to help the situation. You 3 are either complete lying thieves or incredibly stupid. We offered to take over bitcoinica and pay everyone back 100% of their claims but instead you assholes twiddled your thumbs, hid and allowed even *more* money to be stolen and now it is all going to be pissed away in receivership. All you had to do was simply give control back to tihan but that was too much trouble for you worthless...
 

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We offered to take over bitcoinica and pay everyone back 100% of their claims but instead you assholes twiddled your thumbs, hid and allowed even *more* money to be stolen and now it is all going to be pissed away in receivership. All you had to do was simply give control back to tihan but that was too much trouble for you worthless...

This is true.  Had the Intersango trio lifted even one finger,  likely everyone would already have %100 of their money back with the exception of the four plaintives listed on the lawsuit.   (This was our offer to Intersango)

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We offered to take over bitcoinica and pay everyone back 100% of their claims but instead you assholes twiddled your thumbs, hid and allowed even *more* money to be stolen and now it is all going to be pissed away in receivership. All you had to do was simply give control back to tihan but that was too much trouble for you worthless...

This is true.  Had the Intersango trio lifted even one finger,  likely everyone would already have %100 of their money back with the exception of the four plaintives listed on the lawsuit.   (This was our offer to Intersango)

This is a very interesting question. Donald, Patrick, and Genjix ?
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August 15, 2012, 06:27:39 AM
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money is just numbers and w/e. But when it hurts someone physically, that's totally unacceptable to me.

Everybody is hurt when they play the money game.

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money is just numbers and w/e. But when it hurts someone physically, that's totally unacceptable to me.

Everybody is hurt when they play the money game.

Even Zhou himself pretty much acknowledged that.

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Bitcoinica did create a place for people to trade more efficiently and provide liquidity to the market. However, speculation is a zero-sum game (or negative-sum, strictly saying). I know there can be many justifications for Bitcoinica's value, but all of them are against my intuition and values.

Of course it's easy to take an ethical stance against something after you've already profited from it.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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