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September 25, 2013, 07:26:59 AM
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Thanks for the update Garret. When will you merge cog1 and cog2? Is there a bonus for current cogf2 holders compared to the upcoming 600 batch? Or will it be cancelled? Do you have an update  of the financial status report?

Terabyte, i would expect a few steeper diff increases. What will happen when 1 or 2 next gen chips become available.. knc, am, bfl.. Look at the steep rampup in the gpu era...

I will have updates regarding all of this within the next few weeks. Thankfully, we have a good amount of time to figure things out before moving forward.

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September 25, 2013, 08:45:43 AM
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Thanks for the update Garret. When will you merge cog1 and cog2? Is there a bonus for current cogf2 holders compared to the upcoming 600 batch? Or will it be cancelled? Do you have an update  of the financial status report?

Terabyte, i would expect a few steeper diff increases. What will happen when 1 or 2 next gen chips become available.. knc, am, bfl.. Look at the steep rampup in the gpu era...

I will have updates regarding all of this within the next few weeks. Thankfully, we have a good amount of time to figure things out before moving forward.

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September 25, 2013, 09:01:46 AM
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Thanks for the update Garret. When will you merge cog1 and cog2? Is there a bonus for current cogf2 holders compared to the upcoming 600 batch? Or will it be cancelled? Do you have an update  of the financial status report?

Terabyte, i would expect a few steeper diff increases. What will happen when 1 or 2 next gen chips become available.. knc, am, bfl.. Look at the steep rampup in the gpu era...

I will have updates regarding all of this within the next few weeks. Thankfully, we have a good amount of time to figure things out before moving forward.

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Will it GenesisBlock?

I'm not sure what you mean by that?

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http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

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Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
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The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

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September 25, 2013, 04:42:08 PM
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Thanks for the update Garret. When will you merge cog1 and cog2? Is there a bonus for current cogf2 holders compared to the upcoming 600 batch? Or will it be cancelled? Do you have an update  of the financial status report?

Terabyte, i would expect a few steeper diff increases. What will happen when 1 or 2 next gen chips become available.. knc, am, bfl.. Look at the steep rampup in the gpu era...

This is a fair point and completely valid criticism of my maths.  I used just one possible value for the network growth rate.  The reason why I am still ok with sinking money into the mining market is because I believe exponential growth is short-term, not long-term.  Whether the network grows 60% a month or 120% a month during the next 6 months, it must eventually level off.  My reasoning follows.

I don't think anyone will produce chips better than 28nm any time soon.  My understanding is the top-of-the-line CPUs are 14nm but to produce chips at that size costs billions of dollars of setup, and is very unlikely until the entire bitcoin economy exceeds a couple trillion dollars at least. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication).  Similarly, 22nm only became practical for CPUs this year (according to that wiki page, though I kinda thought they had them in 2011 or 2012).  22nm is also very very expensive still.  For that reason, 28nm is probably the last die size we will see bitcoin asics in for some time.

Now don't get me wrong, there will still probably be "second gen 28nm" chips which are more optimized than the first gen (by spending more time optimizing the layout / gate logic / etc) but the gains are going to be bounded, and we aren't going to see "many orders of magnitude power improvements" like we have in the past.  When Hash per Watt stops growing exponentially, after a short lag, so will the network because people will turn off old hardware, and keep the new gen hardware, and hardware will take longer to pay for itself (but become less likely to be obsolete).  Your device makes 1btc per unit power which costs 1btc to buy.  btc increases in value 10%.  Your device is profitable.  You buy more devices, the diff increases, your device now only makes 0.7btc in the same amount of time, and costs 0.7btc to run - it isn't making profit anymore.  This is the "steady state" the network should eventually reach (probably not at break-even, but at a small profit, whatever profit the market is wiling to bear for running hardware).  Mining companies like COG will make the most profit because of their already-sunk-hardware costs, their economy of scale, and (related) lower power costs.

I would like to hear alternate opinions, especially with the reasoning behind them - I am a computer engineer but I do not have expertise in markets or financial stuffs.  But it seems to me like when network goes linear (or flat) and the steady state I have described above is achieved, the value of cog will be in the hardware they own (that is new enough to continue to turn a profit), and the steps Garr is taking now are going to secure that value.

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September 27, 2013, 04:04:43 AM
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Was there any decision ever made with our BFL chip credits?  Is there anything we could do with those?
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September 29, 2013, 03:30:45 PM
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can i ask what is happening to congnitive shares held on btct? i don't think i have noticed any updated posted
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September 29, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
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September 30, 2013, 12:21:43 AM
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can i ask what is happening to congnitive shares held on btct? i don't think i have noticed any updated posted

From what I can tell, Garret is trying to move to a different exchange. We don't know which one for sure.
Until then, it's business as usual on btct.co
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September 30, 2013, 01:01:33 AM
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can i ask what is happening to congnitive shares held on btct? i don't think i have noticed any updated posted

From what I can tell, Garret is trying to move to a different exchange. We don't know which one for sure.
Until then, it's business as usual on btct.co

That's correct; I will updating shareholders as things progress. Luckily there is not a huge rush to move to another exchange, so we can take our time and do it right.

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September 30, 2013, 01:18:22 AM
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There is still this to consider.  Seems like some security issuers are going to try and purchase BTC-TC code and reopen it in a different form, and in a different country.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304208.0


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September 30, 2013, 03:52:51 AM
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can i ask what is happening to congnitive shares held on btct? i don't think i have noticed any updated posted

From what I can tell, Garret is trying to move to a different exchange. We don't know which one for sure.
Until then, it's business as usual on btct.co

That's correct; I will updating shareholders as things progress. Luckily there is not a huge rush to move to another exchange, so we can take our time and do it right.

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Please do post the news update in btct.
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September 30, 2013, 12:53:55 PM
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Where can we find information about our current financial status?  The website seems to be grossly out of date.
Thanks.

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September 30, 2013, 04:03:53 PM
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Garret, the current resell price of a BFL single is about 8 - 12 BTC. When do you consider to sell them off?
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September 30, 2013, 06:19:03 PM
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Where can we find information about our current financial status?  The website seems to be grossly out of date.
Thanks.

I will bring the web site up-to-date this week. Sorry for the delays there.

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October 01, 2013, 04:13:03 PM
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Have you decided on an exchange to migrate to?

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October 01, 2013, 04:32:12 PM
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Have you decided on an exchange to migrate to?

Dude, your answer is seven posts above this one.

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October 01, 2013, 05:06:54 PM
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October 03, 2013, 12:12:51 AM
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Whats the reason for the sharp fall in cognitive value?
Exept the BTC-TC shutdown offcourse...
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Any news update on cognitive and cog-f2 btct shares?
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