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August 19, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
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I can't believe the BTC Price . Someone shake me really hard. WOW

I think <200$ is real.
But its good cause i will be able to buy more navs this price
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August 19, 2015, 12:02:50 PM
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August 19, 2015, 01:41:05 PM
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I can not wait for new messages. I think it will be a big success NAV.

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August 19, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
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I can't believe the BTC Price . Someone shake me really hard. WOW

It makes sense if you've been following the news about it.

There was a fork, bitcoin XT recently but a group who insist on increasing the block size. So far its still not widely adopted and it has made no changes so it is compatible with bitcoin core
But if it does get adopted by 75% of the network, they will increase it and become incompatible.

Splitting the community is the worse thing that could happen. I hope bitcoin XT dies a swift death. If increase in block size is needed it should be done by consensus, though I prefer the other option of leaving it as is and increasing fees

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August 19, 2015, 10:22:51 PM
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The way to achieve BTc concensus is correct with the method chosen.  If 51% or your quoted 75% make the shift then a new larger Blockchain will be born. Which means faster transaction times and a new era for BTC and a revolution in Altcoin competition as well. We are stuck with Bitcoin. And yes Im not a big fan of the outdated tech we are forced to love. It's a Monopoly so I would just encourage every change. It's better than what we have

It would be awesome to read what Remy_5 , Soppy or Pakage's expert opinions on this and every Crypto  forum should allocate some pages to this important historical time in Crypto Currencys and it's evolution.
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August 20, 2015, 07:49:27 AM
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I can not wait for new messages. I think it will be a big success NAV.

How did you hear about Navajo Coin?
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August 20, 2015, 08:27:41 AM
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I can not wait for new messages. I think it will be a big success NAV.

How did you hear about Navajo Coin?

I learned from friends that might be interested in this coin.
They said that it has the latest encryption technology and that has a great team that you can trust. Now the price is very low, so it's a good opportunity to join NAVAJO Smiley

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August 20, 2015, 10:52:18 AM
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I can not wait for new messages. I think it will be a big success NAV.

How did you hear about Navajo Coin?

I learned from friends that might be interested in this coin.
They said that it has the latest encryption technology and that has a great team that you can trust. Now the price is very low, so it's a good opportunity to join NAVAJO Smiley

Can you please stop talking to yourself .. this type of "promotion" with brandnew accounts kinda pisses me off, it has no credibility imo and does more dammage then good.

No need to respond and tell me  how you just got into crypto ive heard it all before.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.George Carlin
We pay for life with death , so everything in between should be free. Bill Hicks -- It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light. Aristotle
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. Buddha -- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Socrates
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August 20, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
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Just taking advantage of the low BTC rate and bought another 55k of nav this morning.  Smiley
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August 20, 2015, 11:48:04 AM
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 If 51% or your quoted 75% make the shift then a new larger Blockchain will be born. Which means faster transaction times and a new era for BTC and a revolution in Altcoin competition as well.

Not faster transactions, still 10m blocks. Just more of them, and a blockchain increasing at a faster rate with more dust transactions.
I'd rather see high fees instead because I don't see bitcoin as a currency for day to day transactions. I want it to be a slow but reliable and universally accepted store of value. The gold standard of crypto.
I might want to make a few relatively sizable transactions per year and I don't mind if the fees are even 1 or 2 dollars per transaction. Its a small price to pay for the luxury of transferring anywhere in the world and without currency controls.

There can always be other altcoins, like navajo Wink to buy coffee with. We don't need bitcoin for that

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August 20, 2015, 01:48:28 PM
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I can not wait for new messages. I think it will be a big success NAV.

How did you hear about Navajo Coin?

I learned from friends that might be interested in this coin.
They said that it has the latest encryption technology and that has a great team that you can trust. Now the price is very low, so it's a good opportunity to join NAVAJO Smiley

Can you please stop talking to yourself .. this type of "promotion" with brandnew accounts kinda pisses me off, it has no credibility imo and does more dammage then good.

No need to respond and tell me  how you just got into crypto ive heard it all before.



What are you talking about, do not talk to each other ... You think everyone immediately knows everything about cryptocurrency? Sometimes, one needs to tell someone that not only bitcoin exist, but there are also other interesting coin.

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August 20, 2015, 02:18:15 PM
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wow full of fudding trolls again. we do not accept insulting comments

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August 20, 2015, 05:25:31 PM
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It would be awesome to read what Remy_5 , Soppy or Pakage's expert opinions on this and every Crypto  forum should allocate some pages to this important historical time in Crypto Currencys and it's evolution.

I pondered the question, I read a couple of sites and consulted some blockchain
explorer to extract data, and I finally came to a conviction:  I am not an expert. Grin Grin

Bye Bye

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August 20, 2015, 06:24:43 PM
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wow full of fudding trolls again. we do not accept insulting comments


Ignore the fud and keep concentrating on the project and upcoming features.Webwallet and decentralization of Navajo will keep them all shut their mouths.Big projects need big time and energy to accomplish them.
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August 20, 2015, 07:00:11 PM
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 If 51% or your quoted 75% make the shift then a new larger Blockchain will be born. Which means faster transaction times and a new era for BTC and a revolution in Altcoin competition as well.

Not faster transactions, still 10m blocks. Just more of them, and a blockchain increasing at a faster rate with more dust transactions.
I'd rather see high fees instead because I don't see bitcoin as a currency for day to day transactions. I want it to be a slow but reliable and universally accepted store of value. The gold standard of crypto.
I might want to make a few relatively sizable transactions per year and I don't mind if the fees are even 1 or 2 dollars per transaction. Its a small price to pay for the luxury of transferring anywhere in the world and without currency controls.

There can always be other altcoins, like navajo Wink to buy coffee with. We don't need bitcoin for that

If today you find a place where you can pay a cup of coffee in NavajoCoin,
then I'll pay you a coffee. Wink Wink

However I understand what Hashforce101  meant, sometimes happened
to me to make a small transfer from a pool or an exchange, so without
having any control over the fees, and although it was already created
the transaction and was visible on the block explorers, there took almost
an hour before the transaction was included in a block and later confirmed.

In theory a bigger block should decrease this wait time in the queue, and
then make the transaction a little more 'fast'.

But give me some dismay see that there are blocks, loaded with hundreds
of transactions almost touching the limit of the block size, and other
blocks instead of transactions have 0 or less than 10.
Highly illogical, even considering the flow of transactions that the BTC has.

This makes me think that there are "miners" who create blocks without
assembling transactions, so without doing their duty.
Prior to enlarge the size of the block, I think it might be better
to change the rules of reward and pay in full the new blocks generated
mainly only when they carry transactions already queued for several
minutes.
But I doubt that this would please all the miners.

Personally I do not think at the time, that a fork "hostile" is the
best way to do things, there is the risk of doing more damage (even
just of image) than good. I prefer the democratic path.

Or alternatively create a new coin, but I realize that the way to
create a currency alternative to BTC, which may also correct other
structural defects of bitcoins, is very arduous.

The forums are full of the corpses of alt-coin that have tried
and failed, although in their own way, technically someone had
some interesting points.
So, AFAIK none of the survivor altcoins so far has managed to be
more popular of the BTC.

Finally, I agree with the fact that the BTC is considered somewhat
as the correspondent of gold, and could become even more money for
the elite, but a fee increase, IMHO could eventually backfire cascading
also on all minor currencies.

But, being a coin for the elite and with high fees, are not themselves
a defeat of the "reason of being" of the cryptcoin in general?

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August 20, 2015, 08:47:51 PM
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But, being a coin for the elite and with high fees, are not themselves
a defeat of the "reason of being" of the cryptcoin in general?

Bye Bye

I thought the main purpose (at least of bitcoin) was decentralization. This is what set it apart from historical currencies, not efficiency.

Any move that risks this should be significantly scrutinized before committing.

My guess is that if the block size is increased now, it will be increased again and again in the future because it will be the easy fix.
Eventually, the high bandwidth and storage costs will lead to all independent full nodes vanishing.

Only specialized data centers will run nodes and mining operations. And when that happens, they will realize that they can cooperate and enforce whatever they want.
Blacklisting addresses, limits on transactions or holding coins hostage, all simply by controlling what transactions are approved.
Before you know it, you have a centralized currency controlled by the elite. Now THAT is a defeat of purpose.

So at some point, soon perhaps, a choice will need to be make of the lesser of two evils. Lets just hope it is the right one.

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August 20, 2015, 10:43:02 PM
Last edit: August 21, 2015, 02:46:24 AM by hashforce101
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When we buy and sell stocks in normal day trading transaction times are critical.Our transactions are fast even via Mobile. Let's not worry about high frequency tradeing competition but we keep that unfairness in the back of our minds.  In reality we see the BTC price or Altcoin price send the BTC and wait. More waiting and finally the exchange approves the transaction. Like Remy 5 also said.

My Government has cancelled big contracts due to BTC transaction slowness. Yes their was a belief in Crypto.

Now we see a change occuring for the better in my opinion. Or we are stuck with the old ways again.

Now let's talk about  Navajo.

Fast transaction times. Built in Anonymity IF you choose. Navajo Decentralization coming to keep tradition and Masternodes to spread the network security etc. This is what we also expect from Bitcoin. Unfortunately the Market keeps choosing Bitcoin as King as the transition to a new King would be temporarily financially painful.

Let's see how the next few days pan out as this is also a golden opportunity for a new King to arrive. An opportunity that will take many years to come again.  Smiley Remember your individual transactions opinions and BTC transactions matter currently matter.  The side  you choose will make the difference. Run Bitcoin XT on the new fork if you support the change. Exciting times

check out the Bitcoin XT Nodes - http://www.xtnodes.com/
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August 21, 2015, 06:16:26 AM
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But, being a coin for the elite and with high fees, are not themselves
a defeat of the "reason of being" of the cryptcoin in general?

Bye Bye

I thought the main purpose (at least of bitcoin) was decentralization. This is what set it apart from historical currencies, not efficiency.

Any move that risks this should be significantly scrutinized before committing.

My guess is that if the block size is increased now, it will be increased again and again in the future because it will be the easy fix.
Eventually, the high bandwidth and storage costs will lead to all independent full nodes vanishing.

Only specialized data centers will run nodes and mining operations. And when that happens, they will realize that they can cooperate and enforce whatever they want.
Blacklisting addresses, limits on transactions or holding coins hostage, all simply by controlling what transactions are approved.
Before you know it, you have a centralized currency controlled by the elite. Now THAT is a defeat of purpose.

So at some point, soon perhaps, a choice will need to be make of the lesser of two evils. Lets just hope it is the right one.
Well said sir... painted a pretty dark picture there, and i have to admit, its not what the majority wants... but the majority slowly becomes the minority in this gruesome tale of big corporate btc, with giant skyscrappers towering over wells fargo and other puny old fiat banks. Soon First National BTC will be in charge of turning all fiat into btc, but you must wait 1000 transactions. the ceo of first national BTC will be the first crypto currency billioniare and worlds first trillionaire.... whoa... i gotta stop there, someone else pickup that story. i just got a chill...
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August 21, 2015, 07:00:30 AM
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Back you prediction and buy some First National BTC shares  Smiley
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August 21, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
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I thought the main purpose (at least of bitcoin) was decentralization. This is what set it apart from historical currencies, not efficiency.

[...]
Only specialized data centers will run nodes and mining operations. And when that happens, they will realize that they can cooperate and enforce whatever they want.

I did not mention decentralization, because I consider it virtually already
lost, since the difficulty to mine block has become so high to require
specialized equipment and the use of big pools, and hash farm.

For what concerns the "when", if you have time, take a look at:
https://blockchain.info/it/pools?timespan=4days

There you can see that the first 4 BTC pool, control generate 65% of the
new blocks, and being the pool who form the blocks, then I think only
they can exercise the right to vote.


Blacklisting addresses, limits on transactions or holding coins hostage,
all simply by controlling what transactions are approved.
Before you know it, you have a centralized currency controlled by the elite.
Now THAT is a defeat of purpose.

I agree.
Of course this kind of concentration of power does not take place only
in the POW, but also in the POS and is for this reason that sometimes I
remarked how the money supply "active" (the staking address) is concentrated
in a few addresses.


@HashForce101  on "Fast transaction times"
Yes, i too prefer a fast block, but...
Even an interval between the blocks too fast involves costs and risks,
which are not always obvious. For example, with a time twice the normal,
just to make a veiled example purely accidental, also the size of
blockchain increases in an exaggerated way with time, as well as the
necessary resources to manage them (RAM, HD, cpu use), and these
disadvantages remain for always.

Another risk that may go unnoticed are the "blocks orphans", which in
theory increase significantly with the decrease of the interval between
the blocks.  (I am still waiting for details on this speedup.)

HashForce, I understand that this is not what you want to read, but
go look for the defects of others, without looking first to the ones we
have, it would be at least unfair.


@djselery  on "pretty dark picture"
“Anything one man can imagine, other men can make real.”
 ― Jules Verne, Around the World in Eighty Days


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