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[pakage]

Many p&d coins today  .Here is real coin. 

1000% + FLDC, that is just crazy!

[domtasc3]

Many p&d coins today  .Here is real coin. 

1000% + FLDC, that is just crazy!

It's sad for the noobs that got stuck with it at the top. I hate P&Ds.... They take advantage of new traders.

[alexf1852]

Many p&d coins today  .Here is real coin. 

1000% + FLDC, that is just crazy!

It's sad for the noobs that got stuck with it at the top. I hate P&Ds.... They take advantage of new traders.

I'm one of these newb traders. New to the whole digital currency thing really. Started out just buying a bitcoin to hold in a wallet for the future. Then I discovered Poloniex. I should have spent a lot more time researching and watching the exchange scene before playing in it. I saw that one could make some extra coins here and there and got excited. Just recently figured out what FOMO meant lol. So I bought some ethers on Coinbase and sent them to Polo. Made every newb mistake there is. Traded in and out ETC/BTC, ETH/BTC, and XMR/BTC pairs and lost 1.5 BTC in panic selling. At one point, I had 231 XMRs bought at around .00734. If I had only held on to them and not sold them in a panic, I would have been doing pretty good. Desperate to make up the difference (my kids kept asking me how I was doing, they had me buy them a couple of ethers), I tried to ride the NAV pump at 12200 but got in too late and stayed in too long trying to cover. I don't want to make the same mistake I did with XMR so I guess I will be holding my NAVs until better times. I refuse to make the same mistake a 5th time.

After realizing I would be holding onto these NAV coins for awhile, I then looked more into this coin. Yes, I know I should have looked into it before trading in. From the sounds of all the info, it has a lot of promise, even more so than XMR. Hopefully development continues to move along and progress soon.

[dodziu]

Many p&d coins today  .Here is real coin. 

1000% + FLDC, that is just crazy!

It's sad for the noobs that got stuck with it at the top. I hate P&Ds.... They take advantage of new traders.

I'm one of these newb traders. New to the whole digital currency thing really. Started out just buying a bitcoin to hold in a wallet for the future. Then I discovered Poloniex. I should have spent a lot more time researching and watching the exchange scene before playing in it. I saw that one could make some extra coins here and there and got excited. Just recently figured out what FOMO meant lol. So I bought some ethers on Coinbase and sent them to Polo. Made every newb mistake there is. Traded in and out ETC/BTC, ETH/BTC, and XMR/BTC pairs and lost 1.5 BTC in panic selling. At one point, I had 231 XMRs bought at around .00734. If I had only held on to them and not sold them in a panic, I would have been doing pretty good. Desperate to make up the difference (my kids kept asking me how I was doing, they had me buy them a couple of ethers), I tried to ride the NAV pump at 12200 but got in too late and stayed in too long trying to cover. I don't want to make the same mistake I did with XMR so I guess I will be holding my NAVs until better times. I refuse to make the same mistake a 5th time.

After realizing I would be holding onto these NAV coins for awhile, I then looked more into this coin. Yes, I know I should have looked into it before trading in. From the sounds of all the info, it has a lot of promise, even more so than XMR. Hopefully development continues to move along and progress soon.

Those are not promises, its happening.
I bought part at 300, 800,1200 and 3400.
If i sell, i have very nice profit, but i will have even bigger soon :-)
100k is just behind corner

[BTCdoaA]

Many p&d coins today  .Here is real coin. 

1000% + FLDC, that is just crazy!

It's sad for the noobs that got stuck with it at the top. I hate P&Ds.... They take advantage of new traders.

I'm one of these newb traders. New to the whole digital currency thing really. Started out just buying a bitcoin to hold in a wallet for the future. Then I discovered Poloniex. I should have spent a lot more time researching and watching the exchange scene before playing in it. I saw that one could make some extra coins here and there and got excited. Just recently figured out what FOMO meant lol. So I bought some ethers on Coinbase and sent them to Polo. Made every newb mistake there is. Traded in and out ETC/BTC, ETH/BTC, and XMR/BTC pairs and lost 1.5 BTC in panic selling. At one point, I had 231 XMRs bought at around .00734. If I had only held on to them and not sold them in a panic, I would have been doing pretty good. Desperate to make up the difference (my kids kept asking me how I was doing, they had me buy them a couple of ethers), I tried to ride the NAV pump at 12200 but got in too late and stayed in too long trying to cover. I don't want to make the same mistake I did with XMR so I guess I will be holding my NAVs until better times. I refuse to make the same mistake a 5th time.

After realizing I would be holding onto these NAV coins for awhile, I then looked more into this coin. Yes, I know I should have looked into it before trading in. From the sounds of all the info, it has a lot of promise, even more so than XMR. Hopefully development continues to move along and progress soon.

Those are not promises, its happening.
I bought part at 300, 800,1200 and 3400.
If i sell, i have very nice profit, but i will have even bigger soon :-)
100k is just behind corner

Yeah i agree with you NAV is high quality coin and for sure it can reach the stage of XMR one day i get in 50 ,73 and 1100 sat and i am still waiting not looking to trolls box ever .
Thanks

[shahim]

Many p&d coins today  .Here is real coin. 

1000% + FLDC, that is just crazy!

It's sad for the noobs that got stuck with it at the top. I hate P&Ds.... They take advantage of new traders.

I'm one of these newb traders. New to the whole digital currency thing really. Started out just buying a bitcoin to hold in a wallet for the future. Then I discovered Poloniex. I should have spent a lot more time researching and watching the exchange scene before playing in it. I saw that one could make some extra coins here and there and got excited. Just recently figured out what FOMO meant lol. So I bought some ethers on Coinbase and sent them to Polo. Made every newb mistake there is. Traded in and out ETC/BTC, ETH/BTC, and XMR/BTC pairs and lost 1.5 BTC in panic selling. At one point, I had 231 XMRs bought at around .00734. If I had only held on to them and not sold them in a panic, I would have been doing pretty good. Desperate to make up the difference (my kids kept asking me how I was doing, they had me buy them a couple of ethers), I tried to ride the NAV pump at 12200 but got in too late and stayed in too long trying to cover. I don't want to make the same mistake I did with XMR so I guess I will be holding my NAVs until better times. I refuse to make the same mistake a 5th time.

After realizing I would be holding onto these NAV coins for awhile, I then looked more into this coin. Yes, I know I should have looked into it before trading in. From the sounds of all the info, it has a lot of promise, even more so than XMR. Hopefully development continues to move along and progress soon.

Mate,

I can tell you, you are not alone, we all made these mistakes in the beginning and lost a lot of theoretical profit! Me also lost like at least 10 btc on "panic tradings" and scams back in 2014 and 2015. I stoped and only trust myself now.  
Never buy what the trolls on polo tell you! Always investigate time reading into a coin history or plans before buying, otherwise you will loose with scam coins etc. It is the same like on real trademarket. No trader will invest before he knows what he is investing into!

regards
shahim

[weilichesbin]

When the new Release will be avaible?
Have you a fix Date?

[alexf1852]

I noticed that there is no wallet app for MAC OS X. Are there any plans for such?

[shahim]

I noticed that there is no wallet app for MAC OS X. Are there any plans for such?

We are compinling at least lite mac right now!

[X1235]

What is the total supply?

[juguelio]

What is the total supply?

60 million plus POS stage... 5% per year at the most.

[hashforce101]

Media Campaign is now Hot
A few Releases
http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/nav-coin-updates-anonymous-network/
http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/nav-coin-goes-live-pos-online-wallet/

[criptix]

We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.

The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting 

Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

Hello soopy,

I really tried in good faith. But it seems you people try to avoid a clear explanations how your system will work.
I read your "whitepaper" which is a graphical illustration at best (it looked like someone watched to much stargate the series). We neither see code, maths or talking about possible attack vectors etc. Pp.

I will just wait for your new "whitepaper" or a clear explaination until then i would say be careful to not be a future bagholder.


Also what is this claim about a fast/instamine?

[hashforce101]

If you have been using Dash for a few years you will remain confused for eternity - its hard and technical

NAV you just select the Anonymous Option and send - the system takes care of the rest.

Anyway buy and hold - dont give your NAV away

Fear,Uncertainty & Doubt

The NAV Team will Deliver - The Unbreakable Code

[criptix]

If you have been using Dash for a few years you will remain confused for eternity - its hard and technical

NAV you just select the Anonymous Option and send - the system takes care of the rest.

Anyway buy and hold - dont give your NAV away

Fear,Uncertainty & Doubt

The NAV Team will Deliver - The Unbreakable Code

It is not nice to accuse me of fudding while i have genuine questions.

Maybe you should just stop hyping nav with bs - because that doesnt show nav in a good light.

[juguelio]

We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.

The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting  

Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

Hello soopy,

I really tried in good faith. But it seems you people try to avoid a clear explanations how your system will work.
I read your "whitepaper" which is a graphical illustration at best (it looked like someone watched to much stargate the series). We neither see code, maths or talking about possible attack vectors etc. Pp.

I will just wait for your new "whitepaper" or a clear explaination until then i would say be careful to not be a future bagholder.


Also what is this claim about a fast/instamine?

Hi mate. I won't talk about the technicalities of NAV's Anon.
But what I can tell you is that NAV wasn't pre mined or instamined or anything like that.
NAV evolved from Summercoin (it changed name!)
It was a X13 POW and then went to POS.
I mined it back in July 2014 (I remember coz the bloody world cup)

Anyways...all the info is online...Google it!

Salud!

[shahim]

We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.

The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting 

Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

Hello soopy,

I really tried in good faith. But it seems you people try to avoid a clear explanations how your system will work.
I read your "whitepaper" which is a graphical illustration at best (it looked like someone watched to much stargate the series). We neither see code, maths or talking about possible attack vectors etc. Pp.

I will just wait for your new "whitepaper" or a clear explaination until then i would say be careful to not be a future bagholder.


Also what is this claim about a fast/instamine?

Hello criptix,

in all respect, but what do you expect to get? As already anounced by pakage we are going to bring all this open source soon. He is bringing weekly updates about his progress and also giving more and more technical details on his posts.
The "old" whitepaper is quite detailed about the processing of the anon transaction in comparision to a normal transaction. As you perhaps understand we won't give code or something to public until it is under open source license. As you said, you have to wait to the new whitepaper.

regards
shahim

[hashforce101]

The NAV Coin Community - The Number 1 Community on the Planet!

We have come along way. Why ?

We Believe in our Development Team - Simply with out Doubts.

We Believe in the FULL project

We Believe in The Unbreakable Code

We Believe in Financial Privacy and Secure Transactions

We Believe in Decentralization

We Believe in our Communities , Country and Democracy

We Believe!

~HaShForce101~

Next Round we are Going to Page 1 Position 1
We will be Number 1! 0 Doubts

We shall see where my bs hype leads us  
see u at 0.001
August 5th 2016
Bye!

[shahim]

hehe you are typicall aussie ;-) crazy bs 

[criptix]

We are using a different system, using a Subchain to transport sending information from one node to a random other node. Using this we break the information on the nav blockchain. There is no transaction between you amd receiver, which can be traced, since the recipient do not get the coins you did send.

The working principles of these anon coins are really confusing. Sometimes I wonder whether these principles actually really work. For example, when you just do a mixing like Dash ... then you mix 3 transactions. But if I send 9.34313 Dash via a Masternode to B, then B will receive exactly 9.34313 Dash. How big are the odds that around that time someone else also sends this exact amount of Dash ? So it makes the mixing a useless operation. Or did I misunderstand something ?

Monero has a more complex scheme. I don't know the details for sure, but I remember it had something to do with a bunch of addresses that are generated and your money will be send in pieces over all those addresses and then from those addresses it will be send to the receiver. Take the encryption away, and then I still think you can find out who send the coins. If B receives 2.7 XMR from a 10 addresses ... then you know that this sum probably comes from the same source addresses. So if you trace back, you can easily find who sent the coins. Fortunately for XMR it uses encryption. And that's where its value can be found. Again ... did I misunderstand something ?

NAV uses a subchain. But if you take away the encryption then it is again possible to trace back who sent the coins. The decoupling via the subchain doesn't help much. You know that at 16.00 h 9.35 NAV has been sent to the subchain and that at 16.01 h someone received 9.35 NAV. So not difficult to trace back. But the strength lies in the encryption. So nobody can see how much you sent, which makes it impossible to trace back who sent the coins.

I openly admit I know nothing about these cryptostuff ... but following my logic I don't see why there is this mixing and subchain. At this moment with my limited knowledge, these things look rather useless. The strength comes only from the encryption schemes. Please, if I am not right, correct me. I am always happy to learn something. These anon coins are interesting 

Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

Hello soopy,

I really tried in good faith. But it seems you people try to avoid a clear explanations how your system will work.
I read your "whitepaper" which is a graphical illustration at best (it looked like someone watched to much stargate the series). We neither see code, maths or talking about possible attack vectors etc. Pp.

I will just wait for your new "whitepaper" or a clear explaination until then i would say be careful to not be a future bagholder.


Also what is this claim about a fast/instamine?

Hello criptix,

in all respect, but what do you expect to get? As already anounced by pakage we are going to bring all this open source soon. He is bringing weekly updates about his progress and also giving more and more technical details on his posts.
The "old" whitepaper is quite detailed about the processing of the anon transaction in comparision to a normal transaction. As you perhaps understand we won't give code or something to public until it is under open source license. As you said, you have to wait to the new whitepaper.

regards
shahim

Look shahim, i dont really want to talk you people bad but your actual whitepaper is not good at all.
It is really more or less only a graphical illustration which doesnt say much.
For example look at the zcash whitepaper here and their coin is also not released yet:

http://zerocash-project.org/paper


But like i said i will wait for your new whitepaper.
Please surprise me.