bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game

[statdude]

I like to think I have a very open mind, and a bad intuition about these sort of things. So I'm more than happy to revert back to the original scheme/bonuses if that's what's best for my players

Good to hear. I appreciate the counter arguments but am not convinced yet. You will lose many of those players who perhaps "think" they are EV, but actually aren't. That is the real crux of the argument now that I think about it, although I do think there are some synergies from having a single game, including the marketing that comes from advertising an element of skill (game is known to winnable) + network effect.

That's why casinos allow profitable rules blackjack even in 2017 - a +EV for players game (when cards counted properly). 70% of the players suck (including a lot of whales, yes), 25% think they are +ev but arent (you'll lose these ones - these are the types that play well 80% of the time and then tilt and go to shit, and probably make up most of your mid range players) and they kick out the other 5%. But, EVERYONE shares the illusion the game is "beatable", even the donks. I'm convinced this is the main reason it is the most popular game in casinos. I can't tell you how many people I've met who have "21" or some other movie about the "5%" winning, but then just end up playing with superstitions or their own bad habits / and "winning" strategies (Martinigale), and are just too ignorant or careless to realize they are in the other 70% or 95%.

Walk into any US casino and you will see that 80%+ of the tables are blackjack or poker, the rest are the "degen" -EV games. yet where do the casinos make the money?

Thanks for listening to an extremely experienced gambler (for better or worse  )

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[Erza]

Wow! thanksfinland turned 25 bits into 10 BTC with an amazing 400,000.00x cashout. Totally shattering the previous record from cowbay of a 50,001x cashout.

Just wondering how much is the max multiplier here? Never saw this huge multiplier before. And btw last time there is not even 7 btc for the max win and now there has really huge multiplier winner? Wondering how much he lose before he got that huge hit

Btw congrats to the winner of course

[torry28]

Wow! thanksfinland turned 25 bits into 10 BTC with an amazing 400,000.00x cashout. Totally shattering the previous record from cowbay of a 50,001x cashout.

Just wondering how much is the max multiplier here? Never saw this huge multiplier before. And btw last time there is not even 7 btc for the max win and now there has really huge multiplier winner? Wondering how much he lose before he got that huge hit

Btw congrats to the winner of course

AFAIK, there is no "Max multiplier" on Bustabit. There is only "Max profit" currently at 22.98 BTC. The highest crash i've seen until now when user thanksfinland hit 400000x multiplier, it crashed or busted at  2,867,276.85x multiplier. You can see how much he lose through his account stats https://www.bustabit.com/user/thanksfinland

[RHavar]

AFAIK, there is no "Max multiplier" on Bustabit.

Pretty much. Although theoretically due to floating point maths there's a limit (I've calculated a few times, but keep forgetting to save it). But it's like billions of trillions or something stupid. But as state, the real limitation is the max profit. Even if you bet 1 bit, the most you could ever really get is ~23M before you're forcibly cashed out. So that kind of is the defacto max achievable multiplier at the moment

[Lauren Smith]

This game is just too addictive and too much fun !! I use to play for a lot of btc (well a lot for me) now I use dust or a few cents. Normally 10-100 bits at a time and I just play for fun since I enjoy it. I haven't played for some time but it is very fun experience.

When I do win I buy some altcoins ^^

[woodkid]

Hiya! A bit off topic from upcoming V2 release. I went through several dozens of pages of this thread, but couldn't find what i'm looking for.

Is there a place/way to get my hands on historical game stats, in particular crash points? I know @RHavar that you released a game dump recently, but it only has player bets history. I don't think i can calculate crash points based on that, as everyone is using different multiplier, or am i wrong?

I know i can access .json data, but there's CloudFlare protection and you also mentioned 5sec anti-DDoS protection, so it would take ages. But perhaps that's the point.

One other thing that comes to my mind is calculate crash points from hashes, but again, i would need the hash list itself.

I'd be grateful for some help or any other ideas. Thanks!

[RHavar]

Is there a place/way to get my hands on historical game stats, in particular crash points?

Yup, you can derive the entire thing by using the latest hash you can find. See this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg10378591#msg10378591

[woodkid]

Is there a place/way to get my hands on historical game stats, in particular crash points?

Yup, you can derive the entire thing by using the latest hash you can find. See this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg10378591#msg10378591

Fantastic, thanks a lot!

[fiscorcle]

Is there a set date for v2 release / the end of v1?

[RHavar]

Is there a set date for v2 release / the end of v1?

Nope, just some time after there's no more issues left. I'm guessing 2-3 months 

[fiscorcle]

Will there be scripts allowed in the new P VP version?

[AmXProX]

I love the initial version the best. When it was moneypot instead of bustabit.  I do believe that its me when trying to play the old way. It "Skips" numbers. For example it will go from 1.0 to 1.1, 1.15, 1.2., 1.3 ect. I never actually see it counting. What is weird though is I have 20mb+ internet. You would think it would be ok, but its not. None whatsoever

[fiscorcle]

I love the initial version the best. When it was moneypot instead of bustabit.  I do believe that its me when trying to play the old way. It "Skips" numbers. For example it will go from 1.0 to 1.1, 1.15, 1.2., 1.3 ect. I never actually see it counting. What is weird though is I have 20mb+ internet. You would think it would be ok, but its not. None whatsoever

It could very well be your browser RAM, or your CPU. Especially if you're running a script for a long time

[RHavar]

I love the initial version the best. When it was moneypot instead of bustabit.  I do believe that its me when trying to play the old way. It "Skips" numbers. For example it will go from 1.0 to 1.1, 1.15, 1.2., 1.3 ect. I never actually see it counting. What is weird though is I have 20mb+ internet. You would think it would be ok, but its not. None whatsoever

The initial version is available here: https://www.bustabit.com/play-old   does that work better for you?

[AmXProX]

I love the initial version the best. When it was moneypot instead of bustabit.  I do believe that its me when trying to play the old way. It "Skips" numbers. For example it will go from 1.0 to 1.1, 1.15, 1.2., 1.3 ect. I never actually see it counting. What is weird though is I have 20mb+ internet. You would think it would be ok, but its not. None whatsoever

The initial version is available here: https://www.bustabit.com/play-old   does that work better for you?

Thats the one I was saying "Skips". I know they are nothing you can do, and more than likely, its all my fault. Not intentionally, but internet wise I guess. I just did a speed test while I had it pulled up. Over 22mbs. What would cause it to skip like that? It never counts. I see numbers like 1.1, next number I see is 1.23, ect. no counting. Just skipping..lol.

[RHavar]

Thats the one I was saying "Skips".

Both /play and /play-old has the same skipping problem?  If so, I'm going to guess its internet related. If you have high-packet loss, I'd expect to see something like that (even if your raw internet speed is great).

The good news is, you can still play exclusively using the "auto cash out" and as that happens server-side, you'll be unaffected by any connection/lag problems

[AmXProX]

No, the newer version works perfect. No skipping whatsoever. Thats why I'm a little confused as to why one would skip, and one don't.

[RHavar]

No, the newer version works perfect. No skipping whatsoever. Thats why I'm a little confused as to why one would skip, and one don't.

By the "new version" do you mean "dev.bustabit.com"?

That one will *never* skip, because I haven't yet implemented client-side lag detection Even if you pull the internet connection, it'll still animate it going up smoothly. While when it's more mature the client will pause because after X ms of not receive any messages from the server it'll know something is wrong

[AmXProX]

No, the newer version works perfect. No skipping whatsoever. Thats why I'm a little confused as to why one would skip, and one don't.

By the "new version" do you mean "dev.bustabit.com"?

That one will *never* skip, because I haven't yet implemented client-side lag detection Even if you pull the internet connection, it'll still animate it going up smoothly. While when it's more mature the client will pause because after X ms of not receive any messages from the server it'll know something is wrong

No, not that version. I guess it would be the 2nd version. The one that most use.

[RHavar]

No, not that version. I guess it would be the 2nd version. The one that most use.

Oh, that's totally normal. The current version of bustabit has had a huge amount of optimization, so it's no surprise it works smoothly =)  bustabit.com/play is the version that we recommend people use