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February 03, 2015, 01:11:58 AM |
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Maybe your Christ never said that stuff. But it is a different thing with the Christ of the Bible. The meaning of Christ's words depends on the criteria used to interpret them. That's why the Bible translators study as hard as they can to get the interpretation correct when they translate and if they paraphrase. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) You prefer man's interpretation in any case. I have not seen any proof of the Bible's integrity or that the Journals are not the WORD.
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February 03, 2015, 01:34:58 AM |
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How can you judge my truth when you have not read it?
Here is how. There isn't any "your truth" or my truth. There is only truth. The truth that is the Bible is evidenced over and over, not only in the number of people it has touched, but also in that it makes sense. The biggest truth in the Bible is in Jesus Christ and the salvation He provides. When the people asked Jesus what they were supposed to do to do the works of God, Jesus' answer was, "The work of God is this, to believe on the one that He [God] has sent." In other words, even though the Law is not nullified, it is also totally useless for giving people salvation to life after the resurrection, without believing in Jesus, the Christ. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Jesus never said "I, Jesus, am the only way to salvation". Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!! You know the right interpretation for a fact? Then prove it.
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February 03, 2015, 01:37:36 AM |
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Maybe your Christ never said that stuff. But it is a different thing with the Christ of the Bible. The meaning of Christ's words depends on the criteria used to interpret them. That's why the Bible translators study as hard as they can to get the interpretation correct when they translate and if they paraphrase. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) You prefer man's interpretation in any case. I have not seen any proof of the Bible's integrity or that the Journals are not the WORD. What are you saying? Are you saying that the Journals come to you out of thin air? Are you saying that they magically appear? Do you mean that there isn't any human activity involved in the writing of them? The Unification Church of South Korea, where the Reverend Sun Myung Moon claimed to be the returned Jesus Christ, had this same idea years ago (1954). Well, he died on September 3, 2012 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church) showing that he wasn't Jesus Christ. What do you have that is better? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 03, 2015, 01:39:20 AM |
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How can you judge my truth when you have not read it?
Here is how. There isn't any "your truth" or my truth. There is only truth. The truth that is the Bible is evidenced over and over, not only in the number of people it has touched, but also in that it makes sense. The biggest truth in the Bible is in Jesus Christ and the salvation He provides. When the people asked Jesus what they were supposed to do to do the works of God, Jesus' answer was, "The work of God is this, to believe on the one that He [God] has sent." In other words, even though the Law is not nullified, it is also totally useless for giving people salvation to life after the resurrection, without believing in Jesus, the Christ. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Jesus never said "I, Jesus, am the only way to salvation". Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!! You know the right interpretation for a fact? Then prove it. No, He may not have said it exactly like that. But He did say, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 03, 2015, 05:21:59 PM |
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How can you judge my truth when you have not read it?
Here is how. There isn't any "your truth" or my truth. There is only truth. The truth that is the Bible is evidenced over and over, not only in the number of people it has touched, but also in that it makes sense. The biggest truth in the Bible is in Jesus Christ and the salvation He provides. When the people asked Jesus what they were supposed to do to do the works of God, Jesus' answer was, "The work of God is this, to believe on the one that He [God] has sent." In other words, even though the Law is not nullified, it is also totally useless for giving people salvation to life after the resurrection, without believing in Jesus, the Christ. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Jesus never said "I, Jesus, am the only way to salvation". Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!! You know the right interpretation for a fact? Then prove it. No, He may not have said it exactly like that. But He did say, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Jesus never said "I, Jesus, am the way". "I, Jesus, am the truth". "I, Jesus, am the life".
Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!!
You know the right interpretation for a fact? Then prove it.
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February 03, 2015, 05:25:21 PM |
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Are you saying that the Journals come to you out of thin air? Are you saying that they magically appear? Do you mean that there isn't any human activity involved in the writing of them? Human activity is involved in practically all things on Earth; God says " read it all and discern in wisdom of knowledge". The only heavenly book is called the "Book of God's Remembrance" or "Akashic records" ( mentioned in Journal 12).
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February 03, 2015, 08:06:09 PM |
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How can you judge my truth when you have not read it?
Here is how. There isn't any "your truth" or my truth. There is only truth. The truth that is the Bible is evidenced over and over, not only in the number of people it has touched, but also in that it makes sense. The biggest truth in the Bible is in Jesus Christ and the salvation He provides. When the people asked Jesus what they were supposed to do to do the works of God, Jesus' answer was, "The work of God is this, to believe on the one that He [God] has sent." In other words, even though the Law is not nullified, it is also totally useless for giving people salvation to life after the resurrection, without believing in Jesus, the Christ. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Jesus never said "I, Jesus, am the only way to salvation". Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!! You know the right interpretation for a fact? Then prove it. No, He may not have said it exactly like that. But He did say, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Jesus never said "I, Jesus, am the way". "I, Jesus, am the truth". "I, Jesus, am the life".
Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!!
You know the right interpretation for a fact? Then prove it. You are so good. As far as I know, Jesus never said the following: "I, Jesus, am the way". "I, Jesus, am the truth". "I, Jesus, am the life". There are reasons why, as far as I know, Jesus never said those things. Some of the reasons are: 1. I don't recall hearing Him say those things; 2. They aren't recorded in the Bible that way; 3. That I know of, Jesus never wrote or spoke English. The other side of that is, I don't know that Jesus did NOT say those things. Jesus knows all things. He knows English. He may have said those things in English outside of my hearing. He may have said them in English to me, but I just don't remember that He said them to me. The point is, Jesus MAY have said those things in English. Why should I believe you when you say that Jesus never said those things? Another thing Jesus never said that I know of is, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." I don't know that Jesus ever said this. I don't know that He didn't. Why? Because I don't know that Jesus ever spoke English. But I don't know that He didn't speak English, either. "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me," is a translation of one of the things that He spoke in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. It has come to us through the Greek writings in the real New Testament, the Greek New Testament. The point is, the gist of what Jesus said can be found in the translation of Jesus' words written as, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." Jesus is the only way to get to the Father. Jesus is the only way to get to Heaven. To summarize what I am trying to say here, you may know that Jesus speaks English. You may have heard him speak English to you. Great. That's for you. Until He speaks English directly to anyone, all they have is the Bible. Do you want to believe the Journals are writings from God? That's okay with me. You might even be right for you. But until Jesus speaks anything directly to me, the Word of God as written in the Bible is the closest I will come to hearing Him. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 03, 2015, 08:17:15 PM |
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Are you saying that the Journals come to you out of thin air? Are you saying that they magically appear? Do you mean that there isn't any human activity involved in the writing of them? Human activity is involved in practically all things on Earth; God says " read it all and discern in wisdom of knowledge". The only heavenly book is called the "Book of God's Remembrance" or "Akashic records" ( mentioned in Journal 12). In the Bible, Jesus never said, "read it all and discern in wisdom of knowledge". He may have said it in your hearing. Or you may be deluding yourself. Until Jesus returns coming in the clouds, the only Word of God that we have is what is written in the Bible. The only exception to this is that the Bible scholars who compiled the Bible at the Council of Nicea, may have missed a piece of the Word of God that they should have included in the writings of the Bible. The writings that were intentionally left out, were left out because they don't match the traditional Hebrew Old Testament. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 03, 2015, 08:24:03 PM |
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Do you want to believe the Journals are writings from God? That's okay with me. If it is OK with you, why are you calling my truth a lie?
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February 03, 2015, 08:32:34 PM |
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Until Jesus returns coming in the clouds, the only Word of God that we have is what is written in the Bible. There is no way that you can "drift up to some cloud of fluffy vapor and somehow just fly around with a Master Christos". You will be picked up by space craft and beamed through a high frequency light beam--if you qualify and request same. God went to prepare a place for you at the end of Earth journey and HE did so--we are prepared to receive you of God who await His coming and do so in intent of justice and effort of living within the Laws as given. I would challenge any one or group to prove that one concept of my teachings is incorrect according to God! The interesting point, dear friends, is that the Elite will only condemn; they NEVER meet the challenge and they continue, while YOU allow it, to distort and prohibit YOU from ever seeing the TRUTH AS GIVEN. HOW WILL YOU KNOW WHEN GOD IS PRESENT? SOME THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THROUGH SWAGGART--I BELIEVE THAT HAS NOW BEEN RULED OUT. WHERE WILL GOD COME? FLUFFY CLOUDS IN RAPTURE? WHO SAID? WHO TOLD YOU THAT STORY? OH, I see--"....that man over there!" Well, here I am to tell you that it will not be "that way" and YOU deny the Truth of it. HOW WILL YOU RECOGNIZE THOSE "PROMISED HOSTS"? DO THESE WINGED RAPTURE DRIVERS HAVE CARGO BINS TO TAKE YOUR "STUFF"? IN YOUR FOLLY SHALL YOU FIND YOUR DOOM! IN YOUR WISDOM SHALL YOU SEE GOD AND THE PRESENCE SHALL BE GLORY. HOW WILL YOU RECOGNIZE GOD?? HAVE YOU ALREADY LISTENED TO "ANOTHER" AND MISSED THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND BROTHERHOOD OF HOSTS? SO BE IT. The only exception to this is that the Bible scholars who compiled the Bible at the Council of Nicea, may have missed a piece of the Word of God that they should have included in the writings of the Bible. The writings that were intentionally left out, were left out because they don't match the traditional Hebrew Old Testament. It's a nice just-so story, but since I am only interested in TRUTH, I will definitely be evaluating all information that comes my way, no matter the source. If only you could share my perspective on finding truth, then we would be in agreement about the definition of "exploration".
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February 03, 2015, 08:42:13 PM |
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God never limits your investigation into all facets of the Truth—does your “minister”? Does your controlling hierarchy?
I suggest you ponder this well. Wrong! God limits all kinds of investigation into certain kinds of truth. The truth God limits investigation into is the truth of the devil in witchcraft and sorcery, and even as a medium. Just look through books 2 thru 5 in the Bible. It is listed several times by God's Word through Moses. God limits us? Obviously God has NO LIMITS. In our own way, we experience that same limitless state; we are, in our essential state, pure consciousness; when we realize that our true Self is one of pure potentiality, we align with the power that manifests everything in the universe. God gives you NO LIMITS. Evil LIMITS YOU AT EVERY TURN. You can deny that this be true, but you know that you lie to self and your "opinion" changes nothing.
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February 03, 2015, 11:25:13 PM |
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Do you want to believe the Journals are writings from God? That's okay with me. If it is OK with you, why are you calling my truth a lie? Simply because you believe that something is the truth, doesn't mean it is not a lie. You might be ignorant of the fact that it is a lie, so it is a truth to you, but if it isn't the truth, no matter how hard you believe it is a truth, it still is a lie if it is a lie. There are lots of people who believe that they are going to make it through that yellow light safely, and they wind up in the hospital because they didn't quite make it on time, and got hit by someone who knew the light was turning green the other way, and didn't slow down. The Word of God to mankind ended with the things that John wrote in the Revelation. Why? Because the Revelation covers everything from John's time right to the New Heavens and the New Earth. And at the end of the Revelation, John warns to add nothing to it. Believe what you want to believe. You can call it truth all you want. But if it is a lie, it is a lie no matter how much you think it is the truth. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 03, 2015, 11:41:44 PM |
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Until Jesus returns coming in the clouds, the only Word of God that we have is what is written in the Bible. There is no way that you can "drift up to some cloud of fluffy vapor and somehow just fly around with a Master Christos". You will be picked up by space craft and beamed through a high frequency light beam--if you qualify and request same. God went to prepare a place for you at the end of Earth journey and HE did so--we are prepared to receive you of God who await His coming and do so in intent of justice and effort of living within the Laws as given. This doesn't even make any sense. It seems to be a small mishmash of points that are simple statements of some kind of weird belief. It sounds like blabber. I would challenge any one or group to prove that one concept of my teachings is incorrect according to God! The interesting point, dear friends, is that the Elite will only condemn; they NEVER meet the challenge and they continue, while YOU allow it, to distort and prohibit YOU from ever seeing the TRUTH AS GIVEN. HOW WILL YOU KNOW WHEN GOD IS PRESENT? SOME THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THROUGH SWAGGART--I BELIEVE THAT HAS NOW BEEN RULED OUT. WHERE WILL GOD COME? FLUFFY CLOUDS IN RAPTURE? WHO SAID? WHO TOLD YOU THAT STORY? OH, I see--"....that man over there!" Well, here I am to tell you that it will not be "that way" and YOU deny the Truth of it. HOW WILL YOU RECOGNIZE THOSE "PROMISED HOSTS"? DO THESE WINGED RAPTURE DRIVERS HAVE CARGO BINS TO TAKE YOUR "STUFF"? IN YOUR FOLLY SHALL YOU FIND YOUR DOOM! IN YOUR WISDOM SHALL YOU SEE GOD AND THE PRESENCE SHALL BE GLORY. HOW WILL YOU RECOGNIZE GOD?? HAVE YOU ALREADY LISTENED TO "ANOTHER" AND MISSED THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND BROTHERHOOD OF HOSTS? SO BE IT. I, for one, am not interested in accepting such a challenge. If the stuff this joker says isn't in the Bible, yet if he insists that God said it, then he is a liar. The only exception to this is that the Bible scholars who compiled the Bible at the Council of Nicea, may have missed a piece of the Word of God that they should have included in the writings of the Bible. The writings that were intentionally left out, were left out because they don't match the traditional Hebrew Old Testament. It's a nice just-so story, but since I am only interested in TRUTH, I will definitely be evaluating all information that comes my way, no matter the source. No you won't. Why not? Because even if you are a genius at evaluation, you don't have enough time to evaluate all the information that comes your way, especially if you keep on looking for more information. If only you could share my perspective on finding truth, then we would be in agreement about the definition of "exploration".
If only you could express a few benefits of reading tons of Journals and automatic writing, maybe I could show you how you are messing up on your explorations. Of course, why should I waste my time? You wouldn't believe me anyway, right? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 03, 2015, 11:56:22 PM |
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God never limits your investigation into all facets of the Truth—does your “minister”? Does your controlling hierarchy?
I suggest you ponder this well. Wrong! God limits all kinds of investigation into certain kinds of truth. The truth God limits investigation into is the truth of the devil in witchcraft and sorcery, and even as a medium. Just look through books 2 thru 5 in the Bible. It is listed several times by God's Word through Moses. God limits us? Obviously God has NO LIMITS. Without explanation as to how this question fits with the statement that follows it, there isn't any reason to these things. In our own way, we experience that same limitless state; we are, in our essential state, pure consciousness; when we realize that our true Self is one of pure potentiality, we align with the power that manifests everything in the universe. God gives you NO LIMITS. Evil LIMITS YOU AT EVERY TURN. You can deny that this be true, but you know that you lie to self and your "opinion" changes nothing.
What are you doing here sitting in evil? Since you can't go out into the parking lot and jump to the moon, you are limited. By your own statements, you are full of evil, because your limitations are so great that you can't even come close to understanding what limitlessness is all about. As long as you won't accept the Bible as the Word of God, and as long as you think there is salvation and eternal life in some other source than Jesus Christ of the Bible, your limitation only increases. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 04, 2015, 01:00:15 AM |
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God never limits your investigation into all facets of the Truth—does your “minister”? Does your controlling hierarchy?
I suggest you ponder this well. As long as you won't accept the Bible as the Word of God, and as long as you think there is salvation and eternal life in some other source than Jesus Christ of the Bible, your limitation only increases. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Do you sit in judgment of ALL? I still ask you for proof of claim with every post. You are not qualified to judge these things because you do not understand the concept of exploration. You have no basis to reject the Journals without the aforementioned proof.
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February 04, 2015, 01:04:41 AM |
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If your bible convinces you that God only said those things which are in the bible then obviously you are using that book to limit God and God's WORD.
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February 04, 2015, 01:49:11 AM |
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God never limits your investigation into all facets of the Truth—does your “minister”? Does your controlling hierarchy?
I suggest you ponder this well. As long as you won't accept the Bible as the Word of God, and as long as you think there is salvation and eternal life in some other source than Jesus Christ of the Bible, your limitation only increases. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Do you sit in judgment of ALL? I still ask you for proof of claim with every post. You are not qualified to judge these things because you do not understand the concept of exploration. You have no basis to reject the Journals without the aforementioned proof. Are you sitting in judgment of me? Where is your proof of claim? How do you know that I am not qualified to judge or that I do not understand the concept of exploration? This topic is about scientific proof that God exists. Do you have such proof? Your questions might be valid. But even if they are, they don't go anywhere. Why not? Because throughout this thread I have answered way more than you have. You don't seem to even be able to numerically list one or two benefits for your stuff. Why not? Is it because this is all a game that you are playing? Is it because you don't know enough about your stuff to list any benefits? Is it because there aren't any benefits? If you happen to catch up to me in explaining what God is about, then I might consider answering some of your ignorant questions. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 04, 2015, 01:57:14 AM |
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If your bible convinces you that God only said those things which are in the bible then obviously you are using that book to limit God and God's WORD.
The Bible itself explains that it is written for the purpose of saving souls. Since the saving of souls includes those people who like space travel, God even saw to it that there was at least one spaceship talked about in the Bible. It is in the beginning of the Book of Ezekiel. God spoke the whole universe into existence. But that was His language, one that science is trying to understand, but never will be able because it is way too complex. The Word that God gave to us that we CAN understand is the Bible. It is the Word of God that we can understand. God loved us. So, He limited His speaking to us in language that we could understand to the Bible, plenty of words to use to save us. God limited it so that we could understand Him because of OUR limitations... not so that we would think that He has limitations. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 04, 2015, 02:22:30 AM |
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I certainly don't see any definitive evidence of it's existence. But does the lack of that proof imply a non-existence?
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February 04, 2015, 04:20:10 AM |
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I certainly don't see any definitive evidence of it's existence. But does the lack of that proof imply a non-existence?
One major chunk of evidence for the existence of God works like this. Animals use machines. Sometimes they make simple machines. Once in a great while they make compound machines. Think of an chimpanzee that uses a rock to crack a nut open. A simple machine. People make extremely complex machines at times. Regarding the complexity and greatness of the machines that people make, if animals could think about a god, they would certainly say that people are gods. People get all their machines from the machinery they see in nature. In fact, people are just scratching the surface of finding and using the machinery in nature. Search for the videos in Youtube that show the operations and workings of living cells. Living cells are highly complex machines, way beyond the ability of man to build. So far, these machines of nature are beyond the duplication of mankind. If people could duplicate them, we would have figured out how to live forever long ago. As it is, there are still people is several third-world countries who live as long or longer than we do, and we don't know why. The machines of nature and the universe are that complicate. Who or What made the machines in the universe? Who or What made the universe itself? because the whole universe acts like a big machine. Even if it was the universe and nature that developed itself, it is machinery. And we can see that the more advanced the animal, the more advanced the machinery that he/it makes. So, whatever made the machinery of the universe is extremely greater than man. Whatever or Whoever made the advanced machinery of the universe, machinery so advanced that it is way beyond anything we can make, the universe Maker fits the definition of the word God, even if it was nature that developed all the super-advanced machinery of the universe. The questions aren't, "Is there a God?" or, "Does God exist?" The questions are, "Does God reveal Himself/Itself to us in a more direct manner than simply showing us His advanced machinery of the universe?" or, "Does God somehow talk to us through our spirits?" We know by the examples of what exists in the universe, and how weak we are in being barely able to use the things of the universe, that God does indeed exist. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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