Scientific proof that God exists?

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It is incomplete. The additional words should be, "... as I roast in Hell for not believing in Jesus or accepting the salvation Jesus provided for me."

Easy to say when your looking in safety from the outside of the barbed wire.

[BADecker]

inage

It is incomplete. The additional words should be, "... as I roast in Hell for not believing in Jesus or accepting the salvation Jesus provided for me."

Easy to say when your looking in safety from the outside of the barbed wire.

Yes. And I might be pressured to cursing God if I had extreme pain, as well. But that didn't seem to be the idea of the picture. The idea seemed to be one of oYo suggesting that there is no God. And that was what my response was for. Because all the Jews, even the ones in the prison camps, know and knew that there is a God.

[Mike Christ]

This is what a time sink looks like.



Years and years and years of "debating" over God and nothing has been accomplished to improve any aspect of our lives.  You're damned if you believe and damned if you don't; for example, whether your hate Kim Kardashian, or you love Kim Kardashian, it doesn't matter, what matters is that a portion of your time was lost thinking about it, or worse, that you repeated it to someone else (I recall this episode with her butt being on some magazine, and despite most people not liking any part of it, they wouldn't shut up about it and this magazine won in the end simply because people kept repeating it.)  God is special only in that it's among the oldest time sinks, and the longer it's repeated, the more religion remains in the spotlight; the only way to win is to stop thinking about it.

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inage

It is incomplete. The additional words should be, "... as I roast in Hell for not believing in Jesus or accepting the salvation Jesus provided for me."

Easy to say when your looking in safety from the outside of the barbed wire.

Because all the Jews, even the ones in the prison camps, know and knew that there is a God.

But no doubt the question on their minds was "was god just the devil tricking me all along?"

[BADecker]

inage

It is incomplete. The additional words should be, "... as I roast in Hell for not believing in Jesus or accepting the salvation Jesus provided for me."

Easy to say when your looking in safety from the outside of the barbed wire.

Because all the Jews, even the ones in the prison camps, know and knew that there is a God.

But no doubt the question on their minds was "was god just the devil tricking me all along?"

Undoubtedly there were all kinds of questions regarding God. But Jews are inherently way too stubborn to allow something as simple as torture and death to stop them from believing in God, Who was instilled in their thinking, in their very identity, from infancy on.

[darkota]

+1,000,000,000,000 X infinite

That speaks volumes.

Even then, I doubt the god of the bible would ever beg for forgiveness: "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."  Joshua 6:21

" Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again." Levictus 24:20 - Here again, the god of the bible practices revenge and hate, instead of forgiveness.

[BADecker]

This is what a time sink looks like.



Years and years and years of "debating" over God and nothing has been accomplished to improve any aspect of our lives.  You're damned if you believe and damned if you don't; for example, whether your hate Kim Kardashian, or you love Kim Kardashian, it doesn't matter, what matters is that a portion of your time was lost thinking about it, or worse, that you repeated it to someone else (I recall this episode with her butt being on some magazine, and despite most people not liking any part of it, they wouldn't shut up about it and this magazine won in the end simply because people kept repeating it.)  God is special only in that it's among the oldest time sinks, and the longer it's repeated, the more religion remains in the spotlight; the only way to win is to stop thinking about it.

How can one improve over nature, which God has made? It is by accepting nature that we maintain some of the things that God placed therein.

When people turned from nature towards making mistakes, God offered the greatest improvement that anyone could offer. The improvement was salvation in Jesus, a promised resurrection, and a future life in a new Heavens and new Earth where no mistakes will be able to be made ever again.

So, how is that damned if you believe? It certainly is damned if you don't.

Forget Kim, and the B.S. that the world wants to involve you in so that they can apply your labor to making them their wealth. Instead, take the free offer that God/Jesus offers, that is available to all through the Holy spirit. But... the Holy Spirit acts almost exclusively through the words of the Bible. Get some of the New Testament into yourself, so the Holy Spirit has something to work with in you, even if you understand very little of what you are reading. This way you have the chance to join with all of us colonists on the new Earth God is preparing for us, after the resurrection.

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Get some of the New Testament into yourself, so the Holy Spirit has something to work with in you, even if you understand very little of what you are reading.

So in other words your encouraging me to give up my life of peace and embraced a life of intolerance?
For example I have a couple of friends that are gay, *shrug* don't bother me, none of my business. (And no I'm not, I have a wife and kids if your wondering.)

Would I then have to dislike them?

[darkota]

Get some of the New Testament into yourself, so the Holy Spirit has something to work with in you, even if you understand very little of what you are reading.

So in other words your encouraging me to give up my life of peace and embraced a life of intolerance?
For example I have a couple of friends that are gay, *shrug* don't bother me, none of my business. (And no I'm not, I have a wife and kids if your wondering.)

Would I then have to dislike them?

The thing that confounds me the most, is that the old testament is clearly against any type of homosexual activity, yet in thet very same testament there are laws that show it is against women's rights, forgiveness, love, compassion, etc, all of which highly contradict what is spoken by Christ in the New Testament. So it makes absolutely no sense for people to "hate on gays", cause if they do, they should also hate on women, forgiveness, etc.

This also most likely means one thing: Christ was never god, he simply witnessed the suppression around him(Rome controlled Israel at that time), and choose to make a stand. The only way he thought he could effectively make a stand however, was to agree upon the old testaments teachings(as that's what the jews believed in), and extend further from there. Wasn't perfect, but look at how big Christianity is today.

That would explain why the teachings of christ differ extremely, extremely far from the teachings, laws, and words of the god in the old testament. Christ himself said he is god the son, and one with god the father, so if a christian is to listen to christ, then he/she must also listen to the atrocious laws that god has made in the old testament.

[BADecker]

Get some of the New Testament into yourself, so the Holy Spirit has something to work with in you, even if you understand very little of what you are reading.

So in other words your encouraging me to give up my life of peace and embraced a life of intolerance?
For example I have a couple of friends that are gay, *shrug* don't bother me, none of my business. (And no I'm not, I have a wife and kids if your wondering.)

Would I then have to dislike them?

Giving up your life, whether it be a life of peace or not, is something that will happen, whether or not you like it.

Originally, God created our first parents, Adam and Eve. They decided to trade off immortality for what they mistakenly thought was the wisdom of God. They did this when they listened to the deceit of the devil/fallen-angel/alien and ate the fruit. Nobody knows the way that this changed their DNA, but the result of it is that now few people even live to the age 100, but if they do, few of those are healthy.

If everyone had remained healthy starting back at the creation, and nobody died, and we populated the world faster than rabbits, and our intelligence remained high with no loss of memory, we would have picked up the thing we were created for, and have been out populating the stars long ago.

When you see the nut jobs that are wanting to colonize Mars - the common people, I mean - you can see that the urge to go to the stars is still strong within us.

God didn't create us for nothing. God didn't create us because He wanted us to die. But the way that He is saving us has to do with saving our souls as well as our bodies. He isn't going to tolerate any rebellion against Himself beyond this life. He only tolerates it for our hundred years of life now, so that there is opportunity to save us, body and soul, if we let Him.

You don't have to give up your friends. God doesn't have anything against same-sex friends being the best of friends, or of your friends. Stop the same-sex sex (explain it to them). God won't tolerate it. He made people to be heterosexual so that they would populate the Earth and beyond. He made them have great enjoyment in making kids so that they and He would always have as much companionship as any of us would ever want. That's what sex is for. Same-sex sex is one of the mistakes that is bringing death.

Give up whatever is going to keep you from the everlasting life in the new universe God is making. You will give it up anyway, probably by desire, possibly long before your death, simply because you health will deteriorate enough so that you won't take interest in a lot of the things you do now. Don't deprive yourself of the new life.

Fill yourself on the Bible, especially the New Testament, since that is what God will use to move your spirit and soul into salvation, even though your mind might not understand much of it.

[RodeoX]

Can someone direct me to the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves there is a God?

[BADecker]

Get some of the New Testament into yourself, so the Holy Spirit has something to work with in you, even if you understand very little of what you are reading.

So in other words your encouraging me to give up my life of peace and embraced a life of intolerance?
For example I have a couple of friends that are gay, *shrug* don't bother me, none of my business. (And no I'm not, I have a wife and kids if your wondering.)

Would I then have to dislike them?

The thing that confounds me the most, is that the old testament is clearly against any type of homosexual activity, yet in thet very same testament there are laws that show it is against women's rights, forgiveness, love, compassion, etc, all of which highly contradict what is spoken by Christ in the New Testament. So it makes absolutely no sense for people to "hate on gays", cause if they do, they should also hate on women, forgiveness, etc.

"Hating on gays" is not the way it is supposed to be done. However, even the New Testament is against gays. It's in one of the Corinthian books.

Will gays not be saved? God will judge, but it looks like His judgement will be against them.

The fact that the Old Testament seems to be against women is misleading. Actually, women were being given a gift. They were being settled in a home with a husband to do the exact thing that they were made for... having and raising children. When a woman married, she wasn't responsible for her actions except in the case of adultery. Her husband was responsible for her actions in the community, and she could make him downright miserable if she wanted to.

The O.T. laws were written for the people of Israel because they asked for it at Mount Sinai at the time Moses gave them the Ten Commandments. The other nations weren't being given these law. Only Israel. But the laws are absolutely the best. And they were made to match the customs that Israel had in those times. Most of our present-day nations would be given the laws in different ways than ancient Israel was, just because of our traditions and common law.

This also most likely means one thing: Christ was never god, he simply witnessed the suppression around him(Rome controlled Israel at that time), and choose to make a stand. The only way he thought he could effectively make a stand however, was to agree upon the old testaments teachings(as that's what the jews believed in), and extend further from there. Wasn't perfect, but look at how big Christianity is today.

You can do Internet searches and find sites with all kinds of Bible verses that show that Jesus is God.

That would explain why the teachings of christ differ extremely, extremely far from the teachings, laws, and words of the god in the old testament. Christ himself said he is god the son, and one with god the father, so if a christian is to listen to christ, then he/she must also listen to the atrocious laws that god has made in the old testament.

The O.T. teachings were supposed to revolve around two basic laws: Love for God above everything, and love for ones fellow person a much as for himself. The O.T. laws would produce the best living conditions if they were done out of love. The government of Jesus' day had changed the laws to be legalistic things, things without the love. Jesus was simply bringing them back to the love. He abolished nothing.

[darkota]

Get some of the New Testament into yourself, so the Holy Spirit has something to work with in you, even if you understand very little of what you are reading.

So in other words your encouraging me to give up my life of peace and embraced a life of intolerance?
For example I have a couple of friends that are gay, *shrug* don't bother me, none of my business. (And no I'm not, I have a wife and kids if your wondering.)

Would I then have to dislike them?

The thing that confounds me the most, is that the old testament is clearly against any type of homosexual activity, yet in thet very same testament there are laws that show it is against women's rights, forgiveness, love, compassion, etc, all of which highly contradict what is spoken by Christ in the New Testament. So it makes absolutely no sense for people to "hate on gays", cause if they do, they should also hate on women, forgiveness, etc.

"Hating on gays" is not the way it is supposed to be done. However, even the New Testament is against gays. It's in one of the Corinthian books.

Will gays not be saved? God will judge, but it looks like His judgement will be against them.

The fact that the Old Testament seems to be against women is misleading. Actually, women were being given a gift. They were being settled in a home with a husband to do the exact thing that they were made for... having and raising children. When a woman married, she wasn't responsible for her actions except in the case of adultery. Her husband was responsible for her actions in the community, and she could make him downright miserable if she wanted to.

The O.T. laws were written for the people of Israel because they asked for it at Mount Sinai at the time Moses gave them the Ten Commandments. The other nations weren't being given these law. Only Israel. But the laws are absolutely the best. And they were made to match the customs that Israel had in those times. Most of our present-day nations would be given the laws in different ways than ancient Israel was, just because of our traditions and common law.

This also most likely means one thing: Christ was never god, he simply witnessed the suppression around him(Rome controlled Israel at that time), and choose to make a stand. The only way he thought he could effectively make a stand however, was to agree upon the old testaments teachings(as that's what the jews believed in), and extend further from there. Wasn't perfect, but look at how big Christianity is today.

You can do Internet searches and find sites with all kinds of Bible verses that show that Jesus is God.

That would explain why the teachings of christ differ extremely, extremely far from the teachings, laws, and words of the god in the old testament. Christ himself said he is god the son, and one with god the father, so if a christian is to listen to christ, then he/she must also listen to the atrocious laws that god has made in the old testament.

The O.T. teachings were supposed to revolve around two basic laws: Love for God above everything, and love for ones fellow person a much as for himself. The O.T. laws would produce the best living conditions if they were done out of love. The government of Jesus' day had changed the laws to be legalistic things, things without the love. Jesus was simply bringing them back to the love. He abolished nothing.

Reading your words gives me faith that people like you, delusional, misinformed, and extremely gullible, cannot be changed.

" Actually, women were being given a gift. They were being settled in a home with a husband to do the exact thing that they were made for... having and raising children. " - BADecker

I'm done here, it seems you do not respect women and place them as being worth only for childbearing and motherhood. If you can't even respect women, then you obviously don't have the capability to respect anyone with a sexuality besides your own.

You BADecker, are the classical case of an ignorant and intolerant human being. Have fun believing in one of the cruelest books ever written and good luck in obtaining your everlasting life through intolerance of others. It's people like you that passively contribute to the epidemic of violence against women and gays around the world. I'm sure your mother, sister, daughter, or any female you encounter would be proud. /sarcasm

[the joint]

Can someone direct me to the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves there is a God?

Science is too limited in scope to comment upon the matter.

There are published proof(s) for God, although not peer-reviewed.  Although, you could say that it(they) have been informally peer-reviewed.  Christopher Langan's paper at www.ctmu.org is one (third bullet point; click on "here").  I've found it infallible so far, to the extent which I understand it and have analyzed it.

Edit: I should also mention that I'm familiar with many critiques of his theory.  I have not found any that are credible.

Edit 2:  Direct link to the theory is here: http://www.megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

[BADecker]

Can someone direct me to the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves there is a God?

But this thread is interesting anyway, even though it keeps going off-topic.

[BADecker]

Reading your words gives me faith that people like you, delusional, misinformed, and extremely gullible, cannot be changed.

" Actually, women were being given a gift. They were being settled in a home with a husband to do the exact thing that they were made for... having and raising children. " - BADecker

I'm done here, it seems you do not respect women and place them as being worth only for childbearing and motherhood. If you can't even respect women, then you obviously don't have the capability to respect anyone with a sexuality besides your own.

You BADecker, are the classical case of an ignorant and intolerant human being. Have fun believing in one of the cruelest books ever written and good luck in obtaining your everlasting life through intolerance of others. It's people like you that passively contribute to the epidemic of violence against women and gays around the world. I'm sure your mother, sister, daughter, or any female you encounter would be proud. /sarcasm

Well, when you finally grow up and learn something, come on back.

[nsimmons]

Can someone direct me to the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves there is a God?

Science is too limited in scope to comment upon the matter.

There are published proof(s) for God, although not peer-reviewed.  Although, you could say that it(they) have been informally peer-reviewed.  Christopher Langan's paper at www.ctmu.org is one (third bullet point; click on "here").  I've found it infallible so far, to the extent which I understand it and have analyzed it.

Edit: I should also mention that I'm familiar with many critiques of his theory.  I have not found any that are credible.

Edit 2:  Direct link to the theory is here: http://www.megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

The word your looking for is falsifiable. You can't peer review a proof of god. The hypothesis can not be proven false. Methodology can't be duplicated. A proof of god is not a mathematical proof with universally defined axioms. Religious zealots cant even agree amongst their own sects on what god is.

[BADecker]

Can someone direct me to the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves there is a God?

Science is too limited in scope to comment upon the matter.

There are published proof(s) for God, although not peer-reviewed.  Although, you could say that it(they) have been informally peer-reviewed.  Christopher Langan's paper at www.ctmu.org is one (third bullet point; click on "here").  I've found it infallible so far, to the extent which I understand it and have analyzed it.

Edit: I should also mention that I'm familiar with many critiques of his theory.  I have not found any that are credible.

Edit 2:  Direct link to the theory is here: http://www.megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

The word your looking for is falsifiable. You can't peer review a proof of god. The hypothesis can not be proven false. Methodology can't be duplicated. A proof of god is not a mathematical proof with universally defined axioms. Religious zealots cant even agree amongst their own sects on what god is.

Perhaps no two people can agree on what God is, what He looks like, where He lives, and a host of other things one might think about God. Yet, because the dictionary definitions of God are very generalized, people can easily agree that He exists, even when they don't agree on much of anything about Him.

To me, the evidence for God in the universe is overwhelming. For example, we can make mechanical arms. But we can't make a real arm out of flesh and blood. We might be able to help and direct nature into growing one. But we can't make one. We wouldn't know how to start, because the technology that exists in an arm is way beyond us.

[Joshuar]

Can someone direct me to the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves there is a God?

Science is too limited in scope to comment upon the matter.

There are published proof(s) for God, although not peer-reviewed.  Although, you could say that it(they) have been informally peer-reviewed.  Christopher Langan's paper at www.ctmu.org is one (third bullet point; click on "here").  I've found it infallible so far, to the extent which I understand it and have analyzed it.

Edit: I should also mention that I'm familiar with many critiques of his theory.  I have not found any that are credible.

Edit 2:  Direct link to the theory is here: http://www.megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

The word your looking for is falsifiable. You can't peer review a proof of god. The hypothesis can not be proven false. Methodology can't be duplicated. A proof of god is not a mathematical proof with universally defined axioms. Religious zealots cant even agree amongst their own sects on what god is.

Perhaps no two people can agree on what God is, what He looks like, where He lives, and a host of other things one might think about God. Yet, because the dictionary definitions of God are very generalized, people can easily agree that He exists, even when they don't agree on much of anything about Him.

To me, the evidence for God in the universe is overwhelming. For example, we can make mechanical arms. But we can't make a real arm out of flesh and blood. We might be able to help and direct nature into growing one. But we can't make one. We wouldn't know how to start, because the technology that exists in an arm is way beyond us.

All of that and more(creating a human arm), will be possible within the next 200 years. We've come a long way with stem cell research, cloning, and the like. Next step would probably be fast forwarding evolution(Starting with proteins, then forming single cell bacteria, then forming small animals from that, etc etc).

[BADecker]

Can someone direct me to the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves there is a God?

Science is too limited in scope to comment upon the matter.

There are published proof(s) for God, although not peer-reviewed.  Although, you could say that it(they) have been informally peer-reviewed.  Christopher Langan's paper at www.ctmu.org is one (third bullet point; click on "here").  I've found it infallible so far, to the extent which I understand it and have analyzed it.

Edit: I should also mention that I'm familiar with many critiques of his theory.  I have not found any that are credible.

Edit 2:  Direct link to the theory is here: http://www.megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

The word your looking for is falsifiable. You can't peer review a proof of god. The hypothesis can not be proven false. Methodology can't be duplicated. A proof of god is not a mathematical proof with universally defined axioms. Religious zealots cant even agree amongst their own sects on what god is.

Perhaps no two people can agree on what God is, what He looks like, where He lives, and a host of other things one might think about God. Yet, because the dictionary definitions of God are very generalized, people can easily agree that He exists, even when they don't agree on much of anything about Him.

To me, the evidence for God in the universe is overwhelming. For example, we can make mechanical arms. But we can't make a real arm out of flesh and blood. We might be able to help and direct nature into growing one. But we can't make one. We wouldn't know how to start, because the technology that exists in an arm is way beyond us.

All of that and more(creating a human arm), will be possible within the next 200 years. We've come a long way with stem cell research, cloning, and the like. Next step would probably be fast forwarding evolution(Starting with proteins, then forming single cell bacteria, then forming small animals from that, etc etc).

Except that we don't know the future. The money system is near collapse. The world is near war. People are unprepared. More than likely, creating animals and human arms will be one of the last things that people will want to do. They will be too busy trying to survive the hard times that are coming.