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[Coolstoryteller]

Why not go talk to the bitcoin core devs about the whitepaper and get their opinnion like you done for stealthcoin...

I want SDC to succeed, but just get some positive comments from credible people if you want this coin to really take off. until then it just feels like one of the most insidious pump and dumps of all times, with the vast majority of coins held between probably no more than 5 people.

Hi LRENZ,

SDC creates innovation anyone can see this project is here for the long haul. Our dual key stealth address implementation (shadowsend v1) is being used by countless projects and has yet to be reviewed by any fancy pants cryptographers. Hopefully our new contribution will bring some attention to the efforts being made here.

Coin distribution is something that happens over time, there's plenty of SDC for sale for anyone that want to redistribute.

That being said, the WP was shown to the bitcoin devs, but no response was given. Our community has reached out to veterans within the crypto community and are awaiting their responses. I would assume those responses will come after we break through block 257,000. Also, keep in mind that we're still waiting for responses regarding our Stealth Address implementation..

Fluffy was kind enough to take the time to review it and we're waiting on Ryno's responses to those inquires.

[child_harold]

If a Bounty is ever required to catalyse the code/security audits I will donate without hesitation.

Ryno is a beast of a coder!
&
Techovert a complete enigma…

Bring it on!

[SebSebastian]

If a Bounty is ever required to catalyse the code/security audits I will donate without hesitation.

Ryno is a beast of a coder!
&
Techovert a complete enigma…

Bring it on!

Thank you child_harold, I don't think the importance of this kind of offer can be overemphasized when it comes to a project like this. As most of you know, there was no ShadowCash premine, and there are no ICO funds to draw upon, so if the community feels being reviewed by a well-known cryptographer is important it's something that we will have to collectively fund. This would at least ensure some degree of objectivity - one that we're unlikely to get from the developer of another privacy-centric coin (or the developer of a clone of another privacy-centric coin).  

So if you feel a code review is something you'd like to see (and something you'd be willing to donate towards), please let us know so that we can make efforts towards organizing it.  
  
Similarly the decentralised marketplace is a very exciting idea, but one that will take a lot longer to see the light of day without community contributions, so take a look at the thread with the designs and if you feel it's something that you'd like to see implemented consider donating to our fantastically talented designer crz (who already has contributed far more to the project than our donations are likely to truly do justice to).

This isn't the team's project, or the developers' project... ultimately this is a community project. So if you feel Shadow has been under-represented in the media, consider trying to organize email campaigns by posting about it on ShadowTalk, because these news sites and exchanges really only respond to numbers. And if you feel that the project is lacking in some department and that you'd be able to help hop on irc (freenode #shadowcash) and get involved! The dynamic of the project is going to have to change a bit from this point onwards if it's going to succeed in the long term, but with people like you in the community child_harold I'm pretty fucking confident that we're gonna do just fine.

And merry xmas everyone (including you longandshort whom we all love and miss on irc )

[merkalor]

When a chinese exchange will add this coin?

[SebSebastian]

When a chinese exchange will add this coin?

Thank you child_harold, I don't think the importance of this kind of offer can be overemphasized when it comes to a project like this. As most of you know, there was no ShadowCash premine, and there are no ICO funds to draw upon, so if the community feels being reviewed by a well-known cryptographer is important it's something that we will have to collectively fund. This would at least ensure some degree of objectivity - one that we're unlikely to get from the developer of another privacy-centric coin (or the developer of a clone of another privacy-centric coin).  

So if you feel a code review is something you'd like to see (and something you'd be willing to donate towards), please let us know so that we can make efforts towards organizing it.  
  
Similarly the decentralised marketplace is a very exciting idea, but one that will take a lot longer to see the light of day without community contributions, so take a look at the thread with the designs and if you feel it's something that you'd like to see implemented consider donating to our fantastically talented designer crz (who already has contributed far more to the project than our donations are likely to truly do justice to).

This isn't the team's project, or the developers' project... ultimately this is a community project. So if you feel Shadow has been under-represented in the media, consider trying to organize email campaigns by posting about it on ShadowTalk because these news sites and exchanges really only respond to numbers. And if you feel that the project is lacking in some department and that you'd be able to help hop on irc (freenode #shadowcash) and get involved! The dynamic of the project is going to have to change a bit from this point onwards if it's going to succeed in the long term, but with people like you in the community child_harold I'm pretty fucking confident that we're gonna do just fine.

And merry xmas everyone (including you longandshort whom we all love and miss on irc  )

[rynomster]

If you look at the timestamps, Fluffy pony made those comments before shadowsend v2 was open source...

Yep, that's correct. I made the first two comments with respect to commit 94bfb03. Thereafter (the following day) commit 317b9b1 was made and pushed to the repo, and subsequently pointed out to me. I reviewed that, and thus updated that thread with the additional comment.

Honestly, I don't really care to get into a this-coin-that-coin debate. Kudos to the dev(s) for actually putting in effort to implement a very simplified ring signature system. If they add bad utxo blacklisting and also provide a suitable fix for the chain reaction privacy reveal outlined in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin they are well on their way to implementing one half of the two core privacy principles espoused in Monero's cryptography (that is to say, they would then be able to provide a measure of cryptographic untraceability, but not cryptographic unlinkability).

Unfortunately I can't get to in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin, but I am certainly looking forward to reading it

Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless.

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

If this was about money, we definitely would not work as we do on a single project, and we definitely would not have open sourced on our first opportunity to do so..

The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.

We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc...
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976
snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future

[dadon]

If you look at the timestamps, Fluffy pony made those comments before shadowsend v2 was open source...

Yep, that's correct. I made the first two comments with respect to commit 94bfb03. Thereafter (the following day) commit 317b9b1 was made and pushed to the repo, and subsequently pointed out to me. I reviewed that, and thus updated that thread with the additional comment.

Honestly, I don't really care to get into a this-coin-that-coin debate. Kudos to the dev(s) for actually putting in effort to implement a very simplified ring signature system. If they add bad utxo blacklisting and also provide a suitable fix for the chain reaction privacy reveal outlined in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin they are well on their way to implementing one half of the two core privacy principles espoused in Monero's cryptography (that is to say, they would then be able to provide a measure of cryptographic untraceability, but not cryptographic unlinkability).

Unfortunately I can't get to in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin, but I am certainly looking forward to reading it

Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless.

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

If this was about money, we definitely would not work as we do on a single project, and we definitely would not have open sourced on our first opportunity to do so..

The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.

We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc...
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976
snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future

You have the trust of this community whatever you decide is best we will support thanks for all your hard work and merry Christmas.

[rynomster]

If you look at the timestamps, Fluffy pony made those comments before shadowsend v2 was open source...

Yep, that's correct. I made the first two comments with respect to commit 94bfb03. Thereafter (the following day) commit 317b9b1 was made and pushed to the repo, and subsequently pointed out to me. I reviewed that, and thus updated that thread with the additional comment.

Honestly, I don't really care to get into a this-coin-that-coin debate. Kudos to the dev(s) for actually putting in effort to implement a very simplified ring signature system. If they add bad utxo blacklisting and also provide a suitable fix for the chain reaction privacy reveal outlined in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin they are well on their way to implementing one half of the two core privacy principles espoused in Monero's cryptography (that is to say, they would then be able to provide a measure of cryptographic untraceability, but not cryptographic unlinkability).

Unfortunately I can't get to in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin, but I am certainly looking forward to reading it

Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless.

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

If this was about money, we definitely would not work as we do on a single project, and we definitely would not have open sourced on our first opportunity to do so..

The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.

We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc...
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976
snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future

You have the trust of this community whatever you decide is best we will support thanks for all your hard work and merry Christmas.

Thank you and thanks for your patience
@fluffypony, ek sien uit na die dop in Plett... Ek sal iewers tussen die 10de en die 20ste daar wees vir 'n paar dae

[Fudberry]

If you look at the timestamps, Fluffy pony made those comments before shadowsend v2 was open source...

Yep, that's correct. I made the first two comments with respect to commit 94bfb03. Thereafter (the following day) commit 317b9b1 was made and pushed to the repo, and subsequently pointed out to me. I reviewed that, and thus updated that thread with the additional comment.

Honestly, I don't really care to get into a this-coin-that-coin debate. Kudos to the dev(s) for actually putting in effort to implement a very simplified ring signature system. If they add bad utxo blacklisting and also provide a suitable fix for the chain reaction privacy reveal outlined in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin they are well on their way to implementing one half of the two core privacy principles espoused in Monero's cryptography (that is to say, they would then be able to provide a measure of cryptographic untraceability, but not cryptographic unlinkability).

Unfortunately I can't get to in Monero Research Lab's MRL-0001 research bulletin, but I am certainly looking forward to reading it

Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless.

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

If this was about money, we definitely would not work as we do on a single project, and we definitely would not have open sourced on our first opportunity to do so..

The reason we opted for anonymous tokens, instead of direct anonymous outputs to ringsigs, is because we're building towards direction we're heading in. What we're striving for... Encrypted values, with perfect nizkps, proving all values of inputs are real, without revealing any information about where they come from.

We're looking at many things, like homomorphic encryption, snarks, etc...
http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/976
snarks are advancing, along with many other ideas... We are not for limiting ourselves, but for bettering our [collective] future

You have the trust of this community whatever you decide is best we will support thanks for all your hard work and merry Christmas.

Thank you and thanks for your patience
@fluffypony, ek sien uit na die dop in Plett... Ek sal iewers tussen die 10de en die 20ste daar wees vir 'n paar dae

Thanks for the response and the hard work! By chance would you be able to point Fluffy to the NIZKP in the codebase?

Why wouldn't you just delete the line "when clearly there is no more NIZKP in the source than exists in Monero's keyimage system." instead of striking through since it is obvious fud? Advertising, that's why.

Because anyone that gets email notifications has the full text of what I said anyway. If you'd prefer, I'll gladly remove the strikethrough, since the point is valid. Also, if there's a miraculous advancement in NIZKP implementation in the source please do point it out to me and I will absolutely publicly admit my gross inability to notice it.

[deliveryman]

I am a noob with technicals and encryption but would it somehow be possible to add "one-time pad encryption"?

I heard this is the best encryption which is theoretical uncrackable. Seeing quantum computers are the future.

[skip60]

Did i miss something???

As far as i know, we have a perfectly working zk implementation and we will see it today after block 257000

Why are we underestimating ourselves, it is the last thing we need

Your education is noones business, the tech u deliver shows itself

Our scheme was never going to be perfect, and we have said on a few occasions that we will only be utilising a basic nizkp until zk-snarks is fully out and trustless.

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

[child_harold]

I have also told people that I'm not an academic, nor a grad student.. Just your average Joe, who dropped out of school, and wants to help move things along

Why are we underestimating ourselves…

I do not perceive any self-underestimation here…
Rather the word "self-effacing" comes to mind.

Cool as a cucumber imo

[pookielax31]

Excited for today 

[fearcoka]

Excited for today 

Were approaching the final stretch!

[traumschiff]

How much time left till' the fork?

[fearcoka]

How much time left till' the fork?

Were on block 256379

So im guessing like 5+ hours

[popolite11]

How much time left till' the fork?

Were on block 256379

So im guessing like 5+ hours

Time of fork is approaching soon.

[popolite11]

How much time left till' the fork?

Were on block 256379

So im guessing like 5+ hours

Time of fork is approaching soon.

Bittrex wallet is disabled.

wallet disabled, may be they want to wait till it has been forked.

[skip60]

How much time left till' the fork?

Were on block 256379

So im guessing like 5+ hours

from block 256379, it takes around 10 hours

[merkalor]

Sell me cheap Sdc please hard fork coming