[SDC] ShadowCash | Welcome to the UMBRA

[Djinou94]

Satoshi created Bitcoin then Cryptonote and he waited for someone reconstituted the puzzle

And that day has arrived

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[smooth]

I notice that I was quoted above.

There is no huge difference guys. Shadow is using almost exactly the same protocol (and methods of providing anonymity) as cryptonote with some minor tweaks (fewer denominations for each digit, which either way is a reasonable but somewhat arbitrary trade off between chain size and anonymity set size)

People said that Satoshi's Bitcoin invention wasn't so great either.  They said the encryption and most of the schemes were already invented.  The brilliance of Satoshi however, was putting those pieces that were invented by others before him, together in a brilliant way that created a powerful incentive system.  I see what Shadow is doing as much similar.  Perhaps the developers borrowed and used techniques from those that came before, but what they have done is put those pieces together in a unique genius way.  It has the same essence and feel as Bitcoin does, and I like that.

That wasn't my point. You are being a bit defensive. What I'm saying is that you get the same anonymity as cryptonote.  That is not a bad thing. Cryptonote is the best system yet invented for anonymous coins, so this is a positive.

The conversion/minting/creating/destroying process doesn't give you more anonymity. Possibly less, if you are converting too often (though there is no good reason to do that). But no more is needed, because cryptonote is already pretty damn good.

[UNO_owner]

The fact that you're referring to Shadow as a "scamcoin" shows your complacency and the shallowness of your understanding of the underlying technology. If you were someone truly interested in transacting anonymously you'd be here praising the quality of the implementation. But rather you're here braying as the stiff and outmanoeuvred dinosaurs you've pinned your hopes to are shown for the relics they are. Shadow's solution is leaner, faster, more elegant and ultimately more effective than Dark's. You can spit, sneer and swear all you want, but the times they are a'changing. A good chunk of us came here with the same attitude, including me. Didn't take long to see that I was wrong.

Climb down off your rickshaw and hop on the maglev ffs!  

I'll keep watching, but like I said, I've been told effectively the same thing by supporters from many different coins. We're different, just watch. And then I invariably watched the collapse of each.

Well, SDC doesn't have 5 separate pump groups coordinating to boost the price like DRK did, so, going to need to be a bit organic in this case.  Doesn't mean the tech isn't real.  Try for yourself.  I'll send you 20 coins to play with.  PM me your address.

[Coolstoryteller]

I notice that I was quoted above.

There is no huge difference guys. Shadow is using almost exactly the same protocol (and methods of providing anonymity) as cryptonote with some minor tweaks (fewer denominations for each digit, which either way is a reasonable but somewhat arbitrary trade off between chain size and anonymity set size)

People said that Satoshi's Bitcoin invention wasn't so great either.  They said the encryption and most of the schemes were already invented.  The brilliance of Satoshi however, was putting those pieces that were invented by others before him, together in a brilliant way that created a powerful incentive system.  I see what Shadow is doing as much similar.  Perhaps the developers borrowed and used techniques from those that came before, but what they have done is put those pieces together in a unique genius way.  It has the same essence and feel as Bitcoin does, and I like that.

That wasn't my point. You are being a bit defensive. What I'm saying is that you get the same anonymity as cryptonote.  That is not a bad thing. Cryptonote is the best system yet invented for anonymous coins, so this is a positive.

The conversion/minting/creating/destroying process doesn't give you more anonymity. Possibly less, if you are converting too often (though there is no good reason to do that). But no more is needed, because cryptonote is already pretty damn good.

Hey Smooth, welcome! Have you had a chance to use the new protocol?

Apologies I haven't joined the discussion, I've been building our new website.. but wanted to say hello to everyone. New website is looking much better. Looking forward to migrating the site over. xD

[Schild_]

SDCDev created a new build that fixes the syncing issue users have reported. Please update to the latest build to reduce any future sync issues. The main ANN on sdtalk has been updated with the correct links as well as the link to the bootstrap file.

http://shadowtalk.org/topic/296/shadowcash-zero-knowledge-anonymous-distributed-e-cash-via-traceable-ring-signatures/3

Thanks!

Anon branch for QT doesn't compile. This is done after checking out the anon branch and doing git pull. Errors below:

src/qt/qtipcserver.cpp: In function ‘void ipcThread2(void*)’:
src/qt/qtipcserver.cpp:110:13: error: ‘fShutdown’ was not declared in this scope
         if (fShutdown)
             ^
make: *** [build/qtipcserver.o] Error 1
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
In file included from src/bitcoinrpc.h:17:0,
                 from src/noui.cpp:7:
src/json/json_spirit_writer_template.h: In function ‘String_type json_spirit::non_printable_to_string(unsigned int)’:
src/json/json_spirit_writer_template.h:31:50: warning: typedef ‘Char_type’ locally defined but not used [-Wunused-local-typedefs]
         typedef typename String_type::value_type Char_type;

Compiling shadowcoind (the daemon) returns "v1.3.0.5-3-g6c60784" instead of the expected 1.3.0.6.

So at the moment, some of us are unable to use the wallet at all whether it be the daemon or QT.

Has the forking issue been resolved?

Usually when only a few people notice these things, it's because most hodlers have their coins on exchanges 

There was no issues at all. It all went very smoothly.

[smooth]

Hey Smooth, welcome! Have you had a chance to use the new protocol?

No, I just read the white paper.

[Schild_]

I notice that I was quoted above.

There is no huge difference guys. Shadow is using almost exactly the same protocol (and methods of providing anonymity) as cryptonote with some minor tweaks (fewer denominations for each digit, which either way is a reasonable but somewhat arbitrary trade off between chain size and anonymity set size)

People said that Satoshi's Bitcoin invention wasn't so great either.  They said the encryption and most of the schemes were already invented.  The brilliance of Satoshi however, was putting those pieces that were invented by others before him, together in a brilliant way that created a powerful incentive system.  I see what Shadow is doing as much similar.  Perhaps the developers borrowed and used techniques from those that came before, but what they have done is put those pieces together in a unique genius way.  It has the same essence and feel as Bitcoin does, and I like that.

That wasn't my point. You are being a bit defensive. What I'm saying is that you get the same anonymity as cryptonote.  That is not a bad thing. Cryptonote is the best system yet invented for anonymous coins, so this is a positive.

The conversion/minting/creating/destroying process doesn't give you more anonymity. Possibly less, if you are converting too often (though there is no good reason to do that). But no more is needed, because cryptonote is already pretty damn good.

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

Anyway, I guess shadow community is open and ready to answer many questions, and Dark as the leader for anon and elder one has the right to be skeptical, but lets be respectful of others sensibility.

I still have in mind Dark vs Somecoin drama and don't wanna see happening it here.

[smooth]

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

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I never said it was the same. I said the anonymity uses the same underlying approach as cryptonote so the resulting anonymity is the same (or worse, if minting/destroy is used too much, but that is up to the users I suppose). I acknowledged some minor differences, but I don't believe they are particularly significant in the area of anonymity.

As for why thousands of hours were spent on it, you would have to ask them. Presumably they thought that reimplementing it all was a good idea for whatever collection of reasons. I guess the market will decide.

[dadon]

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

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I never said it was the same. I said the anonymity uses the same underlying approach as cryptonote so the resulting anonymity is the same (or worse, if minting/destroy is used too much, but that is up to the users I suppose). I acknowledged some minor differences, but I don't believe they are particularly significant in the area of anonymity.

As for why thousands of hours were spent on it, you would have to ask them. Presumably they thought that reimplementing it all was a good idea for whatever collection of reasons. I guess the market will decide.

Question, can cryptonote coins slot in updated technology to there code without starting from scratch? because i know SDC can without starting from scratch so yeah maybe it's based on the same technique as cryptonote but it can be improved and it's faster and slimmer and the wallet is the best looking and functioning wallet in the crypto world with chat and many extras coming soon so right now we win   we will have mobile wallets in the near future with all this tech would like to see any of the cryptonote coins pull that off.

[ffmad]

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

]

I never said it was the same. I said the anonymity uses the same underlying approach as cryptonote so the resulting anonymity is the same (or worse, if minting/destroy is used too much, but that is up to the users I suppose). I acknowledged some minor differences, but I don't believe they are particularly significant in the area of anonymity.

As for why thousands of hours were spent on it, you would have to ask them. Presumably they thought that reimplementing it all was a good idea for whatever collection of reasons. I guess the market will decide.

Question, can cryptonote coins slot in updated technology to there code without starting from scratch? because i know SDC can without starting from scratch so yeah maybe it's based on the same technique as cryptonote but it can be improved and it's faster and slimmer and the wallet is the best looking and functioning wallet in the crypto world with chat and many extras coming soon so right now we win   we will have mobile wallets in the near future with all this tech would like to see any of the cryptonote coins pull that off.

Not from a miners' point of view ^^

XMR is a good anonymous POW coin, SDC is a good anonymous POS coin

Let's be friend with XMR guys  

[smooth]

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

]

I never said it was the same. I said the anonymity uses the same underlying approach as cryptonote so the resulting anonymity is the same (or worse, if minting/destroy is used too much, but that is up to the users I suppose). I acknowledged some minor differences, but I don't believe they are particularly significant in the area of anonymity.

As for why thousands of hours were spent on it, you would have to ask them. Presumably they thought that reimplementing it all was a good idea for whatever collection of reasons. I guess the market will decide.

Question, can cryptonote coins slot in updated technology to there code without starting from scratch? because i know SDC can without starting from scratch so yeah maybe it's based on the same technique as cryptonote but it can be improved and it's faster and slimmer and the wallet is the best looking and functioning wallet in the crypto world with chat and many extras coming soon so right now we win  we will have mobile wallets in the near future with all this tech would like to see any of the cryptonote coins pull that off.

Techniques and algorithms and the code/implementation are two different things. I was addressing the former. Since I haven't reviewed the SDC implementation at all, I would be speaking out of ignorance to address that one way or another.

BTW, any reasonably designed piece of software can have pieces replaced without starting from scratch. That's called modularity.

[Cornett]

I notice that I was quoted above.

There is no huge difference guys. Shadow is using almost exactly the same protocol (and methods of providing anonymity) as cryptonote with some minor tweaks (fewer denominations for each digit, which either way is a reasonable but somewhat arbitrary trade off between chain size and anonymity set size)

People said that Satoshi's Bitcoin invention wasn't so great either.  They said the encryption and most of the schemes were already invented.  The brilliance of Satoshi however, was putting those pieces that were invented by others before him, together in a brilliant way that created a powerful incentive system.  I see what Shadow is doing as much similar.  Perhaps the developers borrowed and used techniques from those that came before, but what they have done is put those pieces together in a unique genius way.  It has the same essence and feel as Bitcoin does, and I like that.

That wasn't my point. You are being a bit defensive. What I'm saying is that you get the same anonymity as cryptonote.  That is not a bad thing. Cryptonote is the best system yet invented for anonymous coins, so this is a positive.

The conversion/minting/creating/destroying process doesn't give you more anonymity. Possibly less, if you are converting too often (though there is no good reason to do that). But no more is needed, because cryptonote is already pretty damn good.

Hey Smooth, welcome! Have you had a chance to use the new protocol?

Apologies I haven't joined the discussion, I've been building our new website.. but wanted to say hello to everyone. New website is looking much better. Looking forward to migrating the site over. xD

It would be cool if our site will be similar to Blackcoin's one

[dadon]

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

]

I never said it was the same. I said the anonymity uses the same underlying approach as cryptonote so the resulting anonymity is the same (or worse, if minting/destroy is used too much, but that is up to the users I suppose). I acknowledged some minor differences, but I don't believe they are particularly significant in the area of anonymity.

As for why thousands of hours were spent on it, you would have to ask them. Presumably they thought that reimplementing it all was a good idea for whatever collection of reasons. I guess the market will decide.

Question, can cryptonote coins slot in updated technology to there code without starting from scratch? because i know SDC can without starting from scratch so yeah maybe it's based on the same technique as cryptonote but it can be improved and it's faster and slimmer and the wallet is the best looking and functioning wallet in the crypto world with chat and many extras coming soon so right now we win   we will have mobile wallets in the near future with all this tech would like to see any of the cryptonote coins pull that off.

Not from a miners' point of view ^^

XMR is a good anonymous POW coin, SDC is a good anonymous POS coin

Let's be friend with XMR guys  

sounds like a good idea, in a perfect world competing coins and community's would out innovate instead of picking at straws to protect there investments and if that happened crypto would be far more advanced then it is now, but this is not a perfect world, if any coins want to be better the SDC then they better get to work.

[ffmad]

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

]

I never said it was the same. I said the anonymity uses the same underlying approach as cryptonote so the resulting anonymity is the same (or worse, if minting/destroy is used too much, but that is up to the users I suppose). I acknowledged some minor differences, but I don't believe they are particularly significant in the area of anonymity.

As for why thousands of hours were spent on it, you would have to ask them. Presumably they thought that reimplementing it all was a good idea for whatever collection of reasons. I guess the market will decide.

Question, can cryptonote coins slot in updated technology to there code without starting from scratch? because i know SDC can without starting from scratch so yeah maybe it's based on the same technique as cryptonote but it can be improved and it's faster and slimmer and the wallet is the best looking and functioning wallet in the crypto world with chat and many extras coming soon so right now we win   we will have mobile wallets in the near future with all this tech would like to see any of the cryptonote coins pull that off.

Not from a miners' point of view ^^

XMR is a good anonymous POW coin, SDC is a good anonymous POS coin

Let's be friend with XMR guys  

sounds like a good idea, in a perfect world competing coins and community's would out innovate instead of picking at straws to protect there investments and if that happened crypto would be far more advanced then it is now, but this is not a perfect world, if any coins want to be better the SDC then they better get to work.

If i say that it's because XMR has a real solution, and just by looking at their threads you can see a lot of people with a good knowledge, and when they came here it's to discuss tech.

Not like Drk, where people judge coins on their volume and marketcap ... and do basic trolling like that :

There was so much misinformation I just gave up. There is only so much time on this planet.

Seeing people say the exact same thing with each new scamcoin gets tiring. But the sheep need fleecing, so I expect we'll be seeing Shadowmoney, Blackcash, Hiddenasset etc ad infinitum. And all of their supporters will tell us how we just see their blatant shitcoin as a threat to Darkcoin.  

[dadon]

It's not the same. Why would had our devs bother to spend thousands hours of coding if so...  the way you say this is a bit misleading IMHO.

]

I never said it was the same. I said the anonymity uses the same underlying approach as cryptonote so the resulting anonymity is the same (or worse, if minting/destroy is used too much, but that is up to the users I suppose). I acknowledged some minor differences, but I don't believe they are particularly significant in the area of anonymity.

As for why thousands of hours were spent on it, you would have to ask them. Presumably they thought that reimplementing it all was a good idea for whatever collection of reasons. I guess the market will decide.

Question, can cryptonote coins slot in updated technology to there code without starting from scratch? because i know SDC can without starting from scratch so yeah maybe it's based on the same technique as cryptonote but it can be improved and it's faster and slimmer and the wallet is the best looking and functioning wallet in the crypto world with chat and many extras coming soon so right now we win  we will have mobile wallets in the near future with all this tech would like to see any of the cryptonote coins pull that off.

Techniques and algorithms and the code/implementation are two different things. I was addressing the former. Since I haven't reviewed the SDC implementation at all, I would be speaking out of ignorance to address that one way or another.

BTW, any reasonably designed piece of software can have pieces replaced without starting from scratch. That's called modularity.

that's why i was asking anyways let the most hard working most innovative team win i say, and if that is SDC and right now it appears to be then awesome because i hold shit loads hahah, if not oh well you win some you lose some, but im confident, I don't know much about coding and all that but i do know technology that has the potential to be worth a lot in the future, 90% of the public do not care about coding they want something that works, looks good, with lots of features( like free chat, video voice call, decentralized marketplaces) and ease of use, we are hitting all those nails all we need is publicity and adoption now.

[LiteBit]

First off, has there been enough time to assess if ShadowCash project has a working Zero Knowledge solution?

Secondly, does the Monero project of Darkcoin project have a Zero Knowledge solution?

I'd like to compare anonymous transactions between the three projects being discussed here; XMR, DRK & Shadow. Could somebody post transaction IDs for each project showing an anonymous trade? I'd like to compare apples to apples when it comes to linkability and traceability. Ignoring codebase and proof differences between them for now.

If there are other working ZK solutions in projects I haven't mentioned that should be part of this comparison please add an anonymous transaction from them as well.

1 good example from each blockchain would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[Schild_]

First off, has there been enough time to assess if ShadowCash project has a working Zero Knowledge solution?

Secondly, does the Monero project of Darkcoin project have a Zero Knowledge solution?

I'd like to compare anonymous transactions between the three projects being discussed here; XMR, DRK & Shadow. Could somebody post transaction IDs for each project showing an anonymous trade? I'd like to compare apples to apples when it comes to linkability and traceability. Ignoring codebase and proof differences between them for now.

If there are other working ZK solutions in projects I haven't mentioned that should be part of this comparison please add an anonymous transaction from them as well.

1 good example from each blockchain would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Absolutly + thats one good idea.

[skip60]

First off, has there been enough time to assess if ShadowCash project has a working Zero Knowledge solution?

Secondly, does the Monero project of Darkcoin project have a Zero Knowledge solution?

I'd like to compare anonymous transactions between the three projects being discussed here; XMR, DRK & Shadow. Could somebody post transaction IDs for each project showing an anonymous trade? I'd like to compare apples to apples when it comes to linkability and traceability. Ignoring codebase and proof differences between them for now.

If there are other working ZK solutions in projects I haven't mentioned that should be part of this comparison please add an anonymous transaction from them as well.

1 good example from each blockchain would be appreciated.

Thanks.

i dont know if other coins will be able to give a link on the mainnet. but below, there is a link for sdc

http://explorer.shadow.cash/block/b3f1a4f783b87b78f182ebd45b664b66e715fb521b6da807a2c59c1dd39f0050

[Alty]

First off, has there been enough time to assess if ShadowCash project has a working Zero Knowledge solution?

Secondly, does the Monero project of Darkcoin project have a Zero Knowledge solution?

I'd like to compare anonymous transactions between the three projects being discussed here; XMR, DRK & Shadow. Could somebody post transaction IDs for each project showing an anonymous trade? I'd like to compare apples to apples when it comes to linkability and traceability. Ignoring codebase and proof differences between them for now.

If there are other working ZK solutions in projects I haven't mentioned that should be part of this comparison please add an anonymous transaction from them as well.

1 good example from each blockchain would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Today I will release a demo video showing the SDC anon transaction happening in real time between two wallets and analysing the block explorer at the same time.

[dadon]

First off, has there been enough time to assess if ShadowCash project has a working Zero Knowledge solution?

Secondly, does the Monero project of Darkcoin project have a Zero Knowledge solution?

I'd like to compare anonymous transactions between the three projects being discussed here; XMR, DRK & Shadow. Could somebody post transaction IDs for each project showing an anonymous trade? I'd like to compare apples to apples when it comes to linkability and traceability. Ignoring codebase and proof differences between them for now.

If there are other working ZK solutions in projects I haven't mentioned that should be part of this comparison please add an anonymous transaction from them as well.

1 good example from each blockchain would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Today I will release a demo video showing the SDC anon transaction happening in real time between two wallets and analysing the block explorer at the same time.

Nice idea! show the world the shadow.