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April 14, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
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high count of nodes active ATM...  Everyone wants to watch the non-event in real time  Grin

All's well... here anyway.
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April 14, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
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As being discussed on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/

"[–]yuvzst [score hidden] 19 minutes ago
Note this paper is written by Andrew Miller(Zerocoin Electric Coin Company ie Zcash).
First off this paper has misleading claims that "66% of inputs so far" have zero mixin. Inputs that had 0 mixin before it was mandatory in early 2016 can still use a mixin. This is not really a problem.
The triangular distribution is only a temporary solution for outputs and work is being done to change it. There are many people working on this https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1673
This paper has some good points but we already knew about these problems. This paper coinciding with the hardfork to spread fear today is very convenient..."



To add, see Fluffypony's tweet:

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/852932608577155072

Privacy matters, use Monero - A true untraceable cryptocurrency
Why Monero matters? http://weuse.cash/2016/03/05/bitcoiners-hedge-your-position/
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April 14, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
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Days like today are why villages in the Sahel get potable water, girls in Chad get the opportunity of a quality primary education, and refugees fleeing war get legal assistance.

On their behalf, I express my thanks to nutildah, Miller, Möser, and the shorts.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day.  Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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April 14, 2017, 07:11:11 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.
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April 14, 2017, 07:18:28 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I think all the privacy concerns except one were made moot by the January 2017 RingCT hard fork. Have you taken a look at transactions using a Monero block explorer lately? Yes IP can possibly be linked to a transaction but that can be avoided easily using Tor or VPN and Kovri later this year will solve IP leakage permanently.

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April 14, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
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Monero devs doing the hard research work for all the cryptoworld - the other coins steal it and FUD Monero - nothing new...  Monero is so much superior to every other coin that it is getting boring. BTW instant XMR transactions in Kasisto are coming soon. Actually so much super stuff is coming that every cent I have or mine is going to Monero.
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April 14, 2017, 07:26:18 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

It's a propaganda piece. Clear as day.

The Zcash devs are most likely not even interested in any rebuttal.

The only purpose of the piece is to exist as an easy to remember URL that can be routinely dropped into conversations pertaining to XMR from a SNARKS perspective. The question that most fatigues the SNARK developers at conferences is "Is it better than Monero?" to which the obvious answer is actually "No, it's not." However as recent reports indicate, these type of questions are often smeared into oblivion with retorts such as "Monero is a bitcoin clone" and other opportunistic gems targeted for an audience who don't know better. The existence of an easy to remember URL that can dazzle aforementioned mindless targets is all that this piece is really intended to be.

And you can bet any money in the world, Joel Valenzuela (aka Ass Clown of the Year) is already tapping away at the keyboard preparing another follow up piece for the CoinTelegraph.
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April 14, 2017, 07:41:24 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I mean it doesn't say anything new. It's just zcash dev trying to shttalk monero

Sad Sad Anyone else sick of trying to join signature campaigns and being denied after you have worn their signature for a week? Sad Sad
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April 14, 2017, 08:00:06 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I added about 10% to my holdings because of it...  So I am more excited than calm...
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April 14, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I added about 10% to my holdings because of it...  So I am more excited than calm...

Always buy the dip  Grin

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April 14, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
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Just popped in to see why my low bid got hit.

Thanks, Zcash - I just picked up a few more than I thought I might.   Seems the Zcash chaps are once again showing their ineptitude in pulling off anything from a launch to a FUD campaign.

I guess if they can't beat us with tech, then they have to try desperate stuff.  Won't work, though.

Honeypony don't give a shit.

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April 14, 2017, 08:52:43 PM
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This is precisely why we should actively be fighting an XMR vs SNARK war and leave lesser 'competitors' to rot.

You mean we should be slagging off Zcash instead of slagging of Dash?

Question: What flaw is present in both Zcash and Dash?
Hint. Monero just forked in order to improve on its solution to this flaw.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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April 14, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.
Why wouldn't we be calm? The paper is one giant strawman. It might have been a big deal if it was published in 2015, but most of the issues presented have already been addressed. Those that haven't are far along in the process of being addressed. There's nothing critical or new here.
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April 14, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
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Check my app for alt coins price forecasting http://denario.co.uk
It is still in beta, discrepancy between real and forecasted price sometimes is large but general trend is correct.
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April 14, 2017, 10:07:31 PM
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Check my app for alt coins price forecasting http://denario.co.uk
It is still in beta, discrepancy between real and forecasted price sometimes is large but general trend is correct.
prices cannot be foreseen m8, technical analysis is bogus
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April 14, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
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Seems Monero lowest fee just reduced by 5 times and are now 0.004 XMR or $0.081 what is 3 times less then Bitcoin with the difference that Monero transactions have no delays.
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April 14, 2017, 11:41:50 PM
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...it's like they are purposefully trying to scare people aka FUD.


Gee, ya think?  LOL

By my numbers, rough guess from this morning to now it looks like this entire FUD campaign has managed to knock just about something like fifty cents off the Monero price.  Whoop dee doo.

Or who knows, maybe that's just normal daily variance and they've accomplished NADA.

This FUDFAIL today seems to indicate in a very clear way why HoneyPony hasn't been part of the recent Whale Games, Pump & Dumpin' going on in the Alts world last couple months --- Monero HODL'ers are a tough crowd & ain't easy to fool.

Makes me really wanna buy more XMR but I'm pretty much all-in already LOL

P.S. {Edit} BTW the hard fork is over?  Already?  I thought it was gonna be this weekend... hmm

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April 14, 2017, 11:52:10 PM
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I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I think all the privacy concerns except one were made moot by the January 2017 RingCT hard fork.

Actually most were addressed by the January 2016 fork which made mixins mandatory. The paper acknowledges this but gets it wrong in attributing it to RingCT. The fix actually happened much earlier:

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The weakness studied in this section is primarily a concern for transactions made in the past, as transactions using the new RingCT transaction option are generally immune.

In fact the chart on page 6 of the paper shows the issue rapidly becoming irrelevant starting when the first MRL4 fix was deployed in January 2016.

The second part of the paper discusses temporal inferences, and while this is still being worked on the issue has also been largely mitigated.

Again, quoting the paper:

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For versions 0.9.0 and prior, even up to 4 mixins, our simulation suggests that the newest input can be guessed correctly 75% of the time.

(Note that is somewhat misleading. A better wording would be that the guess is correct 75% of the time. However, you have no way to tell whether that guess is correct; you are still guessing.)

Now compare with what the paper says about the current version, as opposed one (0.9.0) from two years ago:

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Under the current default behavior, i.e. 4 mixins and using the 0.10.1 sampling procedure, we estimate that the correct input ref- erence can be guessed with 45% probability (rather than the 20% ideal if all input references were equally likely).

45% is not ideal. We would like to see a 4-mixin transaction closer to the ideal of 20%. However, it is still ambiguous and mathematically untraceable (equivalent to an effective mix factor of 2.2). You can guess, and your guess will be right about 45% of the time, but you have no idea when. I.e. slightly worse than tossing a coin.

So yes, there is a lot of spin and FUD in how the paper is presented, even if its numerical results are correct (I have no reason to doubt that, but there could be errors too). It identifies no new issues at all, and the issues it identifies have already been mitigated, with existing plans to make further improvements.

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April 15, 2017, 01:01:36 AM
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P.S. {Edit} BTW the hard fork is over?  Already?  I thought it was gonna be this weekend... hmm

It's really that hard to perform a non-contentious protocol upgrade.

Also it seem more and more this paper by the Zcash people was a hit job, with a domain registered a few days ago and published around the HF (few hours ago).

Yep this field is that nasty.

The key is non-contentious

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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April 15, 2017, 01:53:22 AM
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https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/852918816455655425

what a scam! U druggies should have better invested into non criminal coins like LTC!

Well, look at that another one post ignore. Bravo


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