Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam

[J1mb0]

That Monero constantly occupied like 20% of the alt section , is a great testimony to the importance of the coin.

I don't think so. If you actually look at the content of those threads it is mainly 1 liners by shills. The exception is the occasional post by the likes od FluffyPony.

There is just nothing to be said concerning the others.

Now here we have a prime example of the arrogance and irrational sense of entitlement by Monero Fanbois! After all, other Pump and Dump scam coins have followed the same M.O. with FUD and shills - but it is this arrogance that has made everyone on BitCoinTalk hate Monero.

After all, what exactly does XMR have going for it besides any of the other Bytecoin/Crytonote clones? Could you list even one significant feature?

The constant shilling and hatred is ridiculous, and I advocate against the dev team even replying to it anymore (let the community do it). But it does serve the purpose to bump the threads and make them "interesting" (for those who regard Der Alte interesting, that is..)

Must be annoying after all the work put in to swamp Bitcointalk ALT with FUD and shill threads against ANY other coin to further the pump and dump.

I tell you what - why not stop supporting the gradual decline of XMR Monero with your whale BTC for a week and we will see exactly how much real support the coin has.

Max Keiser is a BTC whale but even he was not stupid enough to do with MAX what you are doing to XMR and this was a coin named after and endorsed by him! If you have any sense, don't walk away RUN - and take a holiday!

[Jungian]

After all, what exactly does XMR have going for it besides any of the other Bytecoin/Crytonote clones? Could you list even one significant feature?

First off, it's not a premine scam that launched with a miner that was intentionally crippled (like BCN, and probably some of the other clones). It has a team of active devs that cleaned up the code and are making progress with it.

Other than that, it has liquidity and a community behind it. That is more than enough for now.


Edit: Oh, I can see from your post history that you support BCN and doesn't think it is a premine scam. That means you are either delusional, plain dumb or part of the shills. It is plain obvious, and was made even more obvious when it was proven yesterday that the miner was intentionally crippled.
So, have you made an investment in BCN that was over your head, or are you part of BCN-scam?

[rpietila]

A coin does not need to have any "features". Since when did gold have features?

[Hexah]

A coin does not need to have any "features". Since when did gold have features?

It's rare?

Anyway, just came here to remind everyone that

Monero is a SCAM.

[Jungian]

A coin does not need to have any "features". Since when did gold have features?

It's rare?

Anyway, just came here to remind everyone that

Monero is a SCAM.

You keep saying that. Yet you haven't offered a compelling reason as to way.
Are you also part of the BCN-team?


Edit: Aa, I can see now. You hold BCN and are very angry that you fell for it and other are calling it out. Don't worry. It happens. Crypto is a minefield!

[J1mb0]

After all, what exactly does XMR have going for it besides any of the other Bytecoin/Crytonote clones? Could you list even one significant feature?

First off, it's not a premine scam that launched with a miner that was intentionally crippled (like BCN, and probably some of the other clones). It has a team of active devs that cleaned up the code and are making progress with it.

BCN was not a premine scam. Many thousands are mining it using CPU and GPU. BCN has a team of active devs.
If Monero types were too dumb to use TOR then that is their problem.

Exactly what progress has been made with the 'cleaned up code'?

You see, this is the XMR M.O. Somebody asks a simple question as to how the Monero code has provided any extra benefits or features and the only reply is general FUD and attack against [Name any coin here] usually BCN.

Other than that, it has liquidity and a community behind it. That is more than enough for now.

It's been proven on this forum that the only thing keeping the XMR price from falling quickly (as opposed to the observed gradual decline) is one BTC whale Sugar Daddy, rpietila.

As for the 'community', I estimate that the Monero community is around one quarter of the ByteCoin community - most of whom do not frequent BitCoinTalk.

[J1mb0]

A coin does not need to have any "features". Since when did gold have features?

One of the main 'accusations' of the Monero FUDsters and shills against all the other cryptonotes is the 'lack of security and features' compared to Monero. I just wondered if you could enlighten us.

I also note that you failed to answer my point about Max! 

[Jungian]

BCN was not a premine scam. Many thousands are mining it using CPU and GPU. BCN has a team of active devs.
If Monero types were too dumb to use TOR then that is their problem.

What do you mean? I use TOR all the time. How does this change anyting?

Exactly what progress has been made with the 'cleaned up code'?

I personally don't know. I just read what the other coders here write.

You see, this is the XMR M.O. Somebody asks a simple question as to how the Monero code has provided any extra benefits or features and the only reply is general FUD and attack against [Name any coin here] usually BCN.

I personally does not code, so I will not engage in this conversation. Maybe we can agree that the featues of the code is not the only thing that matters. I can not judge which is the better code. But the fact that BCN released a intentionally crippled miner leaves me doubt about the code in general.

Other than that, it has liquidity and a community behind it. That is more than enough for now.

It's been proven on this forum that the only thing keeping the XMR price from falling quickly (as opposed to the observed gradual decline) is one BTC whale Sugar Daddy, rpietila.

How was this proven?

As for the 'community', I estimate that the Monero community is around one quarter of the ByteCoin community - most of whom do not frequent BitCoinTalk.

How do you calculate that estimate?

[J1mb0]

So, have you made an investment in BCN that was over your head, or are you part of BCN-scam?

I never make 'investment' in any crypto. Anyone who does is either a gambler, delusional mad or all three!  

I have substantial funds in most Cryptonotes including Monero. I did make a few 'anti Monero' threads recently and kept bumping them for 24 hours just to highlight the Monero shill M.O.  

I quite like Monero. The devs seem to be quite good and are reasonably measured. Because Monero is quite rare I see it as being more a store of wealth than an everyday currency. You could say that it could be to BCN what a savings account is to fiat.

However 'someone' is coordinating the spamming of BitCoinTalk ALT - and it is hurting all the Cryptonotes (and probably ALT in general.

[Jungian]

So, have you made an investment in BCN that was over your head, or are you part of BCN-scam?

I never make 'investment' in any crypto. Anyone who does is either a gambler, delusional mad or all three!  

I have substantial funds in most Cryptonotes including Monero. I did make a few 'anti Monero' threads recently and kept bumping them for 24 hours just to highlight the Monero shill M.O.  

I quite like Monero. The devs seem to be quite good and are reasonably measured. Because Monero is quite rare I see it as being more a store of wealth than an everyday currency. You could say that it could be to BCN what a savings account is to fiat.

However 'someone' is coordinating the spamming of BitCoinTalk ALT - and it is hurting all the Cryptonotes (and probably ALT in general.

You don't make.. investments.. yet you hold them? So you DO make investments? I don't understand.

You claim you like Monero yet post

SCAM ** MONERO ** SCAM ** YOU WILL GET BURNED ** SCAM ** WHOOP ** WHOOP

Please also address my other points. I use TOR all the time, so what does that have to do with anything?

[J1mb0]

What do you mean? I use TOR all the time. How does this change anyting?

Well, it's like someone reading about BTC in the NYT and then complaining that 'because it was only known about by a small community at BitCoinTalk' then it was '30% pre-mined'.

I personally don't know. I just read what the other coders here write.

Well, aside from the changes made to thwart an attack, neither do I.

But the fact that BCN released a intentionally crippled miner leaves me doubt about the code in general.

"Intentionally crippled". Proof? Just because things are constantly repeated does not make them true.

Other than that, it has liquidity and a community behind it. That is more than enough for now.

How was this proven?

From the horses mouth - rpietila pledged to support the XMR price

How do you calculate that estimate?

It's just a guess! 

[J1mb0]

You claim you like Monero yet post

I did make a few 'anti Monero' threads recently and kept bumping them for 24 hours just to highlight the Monero shill M.O.  Shocked

[DiamondCardz]

I'm not being funny, but any resemblance of a serious discussion has gone from this thread, not that it was there to begin with. The clashes between the shills for different coins is absolutely ridiculous. BTW, for anyone who actually wants to have some serious discussion about Altcoins without the FUDing or Shilling you see in this thread, go to the No FUD/Shilling/Trolling thread.

[Its About Sharing]

J1mb0 - A picture is worth a thousand words. Something was corrupt with BCN and you only need look at where the finger is pointing.
Basically, it says give up, let it go, walk away...

[Jungian]

Well, it's like someone reading about BTC in the NYT and then complaining that 'because it was only known about by a small community at BitCoinTalk' then it was '30% pre-mined'.

How are they similar in any way? Do you believe that it was actually released on the darknet despite not a single person familiar with darknet and the cryptocommunity outside the BCN team claiming to have heard about it

But the fact that BCN released a intentionally crippled miner leaves me doubt about the code in general.

"Intentionally crippled". Proof? Just because things are constantly repeated does not make them true.

http://da-data.blogspot.se/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

The more I looked at it, the more clear it became:  The original developers deliberately crippled the miner.  It wasn't just slow, and it wasn't just naive;  it was deliberately obfuscated and made slow by the use of completely superfluous copies, function calls, use of 8 bit pointer types, and accompanied by the most ridiculously slow implementation of the AES encryption algorithm one could imagine.

From the horses mouth - rpietila pledged to support the XMR price

So does every buyer. How is the proven that this is the ONLY reason for the price holding up. Every price is upheld the same way. By having people buying it.

It's just a guess! 

Yes, but what did you base that guess off of?

[J1mb0]

You don't make.. investments.. yet you hold them? So you DO make investments? I don't understand.

I just mine.  

Also I do not give a fig what the BCN, Monero or whatever price is. I see cryptonote breaking through after the BTC has truly gone mainstream. Maybe Q3 2015.

If all parties could be sensible I see a great future for BCN, XMR and at least one other cryptonote - this technology will liberate and enable the common man to use the same tools as the Billionaires and Multi-National Corporations with regard to their financial affairs.  

It is only when BTC goes truly mainstream that this will become apparant.

[Jungian]

You don't make.. investments.. yet you hold them? So you DO make investments? I don't understand.

I just mine.  

Also I do not give a fig what the BCN, Monero or whatever price is. I see cryptonote breaking through after the BTC has truly gone mainstream. Maybe Q3 2015.

If all parties could be sensible I see a great future for BCN, XMR and at least one other cryptonote - this technology will liberate and enable the common man to use the same tools as the Billionaires and Multi-National Corporations with regard to their financial affairs.  

It is only when BTC goes truly mainstream that this will become apparant.

Mining is also investing, but ok, fair enugh.

The rest I agree with. Except that BCN will be a part of that. I think it's release have tainted it forever and that it can never recover.

[Its About Sharing]

Well, it's like someone reading about BTC in the NYT and then complaining that 'because it was only known about by a small community at BitCoinTalk' then it was '30% pre-mined'.

How are they similar in any way? Do you believe that it was actually released on the darknet despite not a single person familiar with darknet and the cryptocommunity outside the BCN team claiming to have heard about it

But the fact that BCN released a intentionally crippled miner leaves me doubt about the code in general.

"Intentionally crippled". Proof? Just because things are constantly repeated does not make them true.

http://da-data.blogspot.se/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

The more I looked at it, the more clear it became:  The original developers deliberately crippled the miner.  It wasn't just slow, and it wasn't just naive;  it was deliberately obfuscated and made slow by the use of completely superfluous copies, function calls, use of 8 bit pointer types, and accompanied by the most ridiculously slow implementation of the AES encryption algorithm one could imagine.

From the horses mouth - rpietila pledged to support the XMR price

So does every buyer. How is the proven that this is the ONLY reason for the price holding up. Every price is upheld the same way. By having people buying it.

It's just a guess! 

Yes, but what did you base that guess off of?

Really interesting read and thanks to whomever posted it in the last couple of days - apology if it was you!

Reminder.

J1mb0 - A picture is worth a thousand words. Something was corrupt with BCN and you only need look at where the finger is pointing.
Basically, it says give up, let it go, walk away...

[Jungian]

Really interesting read and thanks to whomever posted it in the last couple of days - apology if it was you!

It's not. 'dga' posted it here. It's his blog.

[J1mb0]

J1mb0 - A picture is worth a thousand words. Something was corrupt with BCN and you only need look at where the finger is pointing.

You could make the same point about BitMonero. Which would be just as irrelevant today as well.

3 Points;

I am not comparing BCN or BitMonero to Quark. But look at the birth of Quark. Still alive with community. Price steadily rising.

The mainstream press love a 'back story'. All the stuff around Bytecoin - They will love!   Whether true or false!

BCN is the only cryponote of substance with a supply that is suited for day to day trading and spending by millions or billions of people

[Edit] - I don't like to keep bumping this thread so I will start a new thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=761124.0