Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam

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TanteStefana2, it is pretty well explained in many places that isn't true. Any coin that employs mixing wlll have essentially the same bloat (linear factor expansion of transaction count and/or size), except that the base transaction size in Monero is much smaller than in Bitcoin, so even after applying the relevant multiple, the size may still be smaller. DarkSend specifically suffers from the same bloat as Monero, or worse, in terms of using standardized output denomination sizes (some other coinjoin-based systems don't do this and have other problems).

Dash hasfewer/smaller transactions (by smaller I mean making paying fewer payees) on its chain, and many, many fewer using DarkSend (the latter is probably the bigger factor). That is the only reason it's chain is smaller. There is no fundamental technological difference at work.

With Dash it's a choice, that choice has kept our blockchain smaller.

I don't see how a smaller blockchain is any benefit at all if it comes from less use rather than a technological advantage. That would make Truckcoin a great coin.

Dash chain can be used to do other things than Darksend transactions. For example transparent transactions. That counts as use as well, no?

The same exact thing can be said for Monero, and in that case the transactions/chain will be smaller, as explained in section 2.5 of the white paper.

We were discussing chain size. The only difference (in Dash's favor) comes from differences in usage, not differences in technology.

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TanteStefana2, it is pretty well explained in many places that isn't true. Any coin that employs mixing wlll have essentially the same bloat (linear factor expansion of transaction count and/or size), except that the base transaction size in Monero is much smaller than in Bitcoin, so even after applying the relevant multiple, the size may still be smaller. DarkSend specifically suffers from the same bloat as Monero, or worse, in terms of using standardized output denomination sizes (some other coinjoin-based systems don't do this and have other problems).

Dash has fewer/smaller transactions (by smaller I mean making paying fewer payees) on its chain, and many, many fewer using DarkSend (the latter is probably the bigger factor). That is the only reason it's chain is smaller. There is no fundamental technological difference at work.

With Dash it's a choice, that choice has kept our blockchain smaller.

I don't see how a smaller blockchain is any benefit at all if it comes from less use rather than a technological advantage. That would make Truckcoin a great coin.

In the near future, most wallets won't be using full nodes.

Every coin has the potential for thin clients with some (generally reasonable, though somewhat less than full node) degree of security, including Bitcoin and Monero.

After reading this thread, I have no doubt that one should stay as far away from Monero as one can.  

I doubt that you even read the whole thread you would have seen that virtually everything if not everything in the OP was refuted as nonsense.

I lean heavily toward to what's penned in the OP. That's all I'm sayin' for now with the exception somebody's damn lucky that I'm fully sexually satisfied currently fucking a Filipino (expat) daily up the ass. HAHAHA

What exactly are you convinced of?

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So yeah there are other uses, but the "digital cash" that dash has branded itself as is a delusion wrapped inside of a hard-sell wrapped inside of a presumption of fact.

As is this whole Dash v Monero make believe pissing contest because the real aim here isn't to promote one over the other, its to pit one against the other with the aim of neither succeeding along with anything else with a hint of innovation, up to and including open and constructive discussion on Bitcoins development. You and your accomplices are Luddites which is quite ironic considering there's a high likelihood your group has a direct lineage with the group that redirected the followers of the mythical Ned Ludd from opponents of those in control of the means of production to opponents of the means of production its self.

You can throw all the rebuttals you please my way because frankly I don't give a damn, you're looking for individual targets and can't see what you're really fighting against is an idea. Pumping a shitcoin like Doge as an anchor to Dash on the markets is a prime example of that, you only think in terms of markets and the idea has seen the failings of markets and has cut them out of the loop. Now the idea has seen the failings of anonymous discussion and the value of trust and you'll be cut out of the loop all over again, you're a problem and you'll be out evolved.

A lot of bold statements there.

I personally seeing it as simply dash and its supporters (and DEV- Evan) not willing to call a spade a spade. Accept actual responsibility as Evan said he does (and not just say it) and back it up with actions.

For example the Instamine should be made public knowledge at ever Dash presentation, on the main page of the ANN thread, and the Dash forum. To only address it when someone makes it an issue of topic is obviously just hiding the facts until someone calls you on it.

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Dash chain can be used to do other things than Darksend transactions. For example transparent transactions. That counts as use as well, no?

Can you also use Dash for transparent transactions? That is a very good feature of dash. Dash can be used both ways.

Problem there is because privacy is not enforced by default at the protocol level in Dash you can essentially black list addresses and remove fungibility of certain "coins".

Privacy should be on by default and the user should consent to transparency of their own choosing. Not the other way around or any other combination.

[illodin]

Privacy should be on by default and the user should consent to transparency of their own choosing. Not the other way around or any other combination.

That's apparently the plan for Evolution. I guess that stemmed naturally from the quorum system.

We've made some massive progress on the DS side and the next version will support network wide anonymity, that doesn't obscure UTXO like cryptonote, is instantaneous, has no bload, has blinding and other identity protection built in. We won't require a name anymore for the service, because it's not a service, Dash will just be anonymous by default.

[illodin]

We've made some massive progress on the DS side and the next version will support network wide anonymity, that doesn't obscure UTXO like cryptonote, is instantaneous, has no bload, has blinding and other identity protection built in. We won't require a name anymore for the service, because it's not a service, Dash will just be anonymous by default.

i can work with that... 

If it's true. Very few people take Evan at his word and that's not by "accident".

Yep who knows until it's finished. He could run into problems that can't be solved. Especially the no "bload" objective seems rather bold.

[generalizethis]

We've made some massive progress on the DS side and the next version will support network wide anonymity, that doesn't obscure UTXO like cryptonote, is instantaneous, has no bload, has blinding and other identity protection built in. We won't require a name anymore for the service, because it's not a service, Dash will just be anonymous by default.

i can work with that...  

If it's true. Very few people take Evan at his word and that's not by "accident".

Bullshit, only the competitors of Dash (mainly Monero) dont trust anything related to Evan or Dash
(not even Dash's technical accomplishments are regnoniced, with exception of smooth perhaps).

The Dash community, which has a very large community,  has full confidents in Evan. Not just at taking his word
about certain matters, but also by observing the output of code that is added in Github constantly and previous provided the roadmaps
which got presented to the community and which got all checkpoints reached.

Calm down--there isn't a koolaid shortage. At least not one I'm aware of.

[maincoin]

Wow I'm really impressed with all the research and evidence you've gathered, props to you man.

[Andrelvogue]

Speechless just wow. Nice research. And thx for this now I understand more.

[I am the guy]

Altcoin drama.  Nothing in this cesspool can't escape the tainted slim.

[MasterMined710]

what-nsa-created-cryptonote

https://criticl.me/post/what-nsa-created-cryptonote-2292

[onemorexmr]

what-nsa-created-cryptonote

https://criticl.me/post/what-nsa-created-cryptonote-2292

the article did not say that nsa created cryptonote.
it just said that some of cryptonodes crypto is from NIST eg keccak and that NSA has a strong interest in breaking crypto (what really - who didnt know that???)

they even said that bytecoin is most likely used on the deep web to do illegal things (at this point this article lost ANY creditability ;-) - bytecoin is just a failed scam without users and artificial created history and transactions)

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Article has lots of "could happen"..."maybe this" and "maybe that"...but no real facts that prove cryptonote is created by the NSA.

Dash peeps trying so hard...to point the finger in the other direction because dash it becoming more known as a scam by many.

Charlie Lee pretty much said Dash was not a fair launch and people will not support it for this reason. Some obviously will support it like staying on the titanic.

[iCEBREAKER]

Charlie Lee pretty much said Dash was not a fair launch and people will not support it for this reason.

But-but-but that was a long time ago!!!!1!  The instamine is old news!!1!1!

You have to listen to the Duffsplanations, which conclude the unfair launch is actually a good thing!!11!

[MasterMined710]

Vitalik just posted in /r/ethereum --

Guess who's now in the firing line now for being low tech'  



(Thats what you get for calling Monero a 'real premine sacm').





Never mind. It's all in a good cause (we hope). Mudpies on stun and chickenwire at the ready.

[MasterMined710]

Charlie Lee pretty much said Dash was not a fair launch and people will not support it for this reason.

But-but-but that was a long time ago!!!!1!  The instamine is old news!!1!1!

You have to listen to the Duffsplanations, which conclude the unfair launch is actually a good thing!!11!

charlie lee does not even know what he is talking about.
he said "10 people mined a million coins in the first half hour".
even the trolls know that's bullshit.
no coin has ever had a fair and perfect launch including litecoin and bitcoin.  
cripplemine monero had all kinds of launch issues with multiple confusing threads started in the wrong place by a acknowledged corrupt dev (who was kicked off the project). it also had multiple bugs like the double emission rate bug tacotime found. that along with the already highly inflationary instamine emission curve and the 1.5 million+ cripplemine issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755840.520

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Charlie Lee pretty much said Dash was not a fair launch and people will not support it for this reason.

But-but-but that was a long time ago!!!!1!  The instamine is old news!!1!1!

You have to listen to the Duffsplanations, which conclude the unfair launch is actually a good thing!!11!

charlie lee does not even know what he is talking about.
he said "10 people mined a million coins in the first half hour".
even the trolls know that's bullshit.
no coin has ever had a fair and perfect launch including litecoin and bitcoin.  
cripplemine monero had all kinds of launch issues with multiple confusing threads started in the wrong place by a acknowledged corrupt dev (who was kicked off the project). it also had multiple bugs like the double emission rate bug tacotime found. that along with the already highly inflationary instamine emission curve and the 1.5 million+ cripplemine issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755840.520

What is the difference ...it was Insta-mined in the first few hours/days.

This entire thread is a deflection away from dash.

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Vitalik just posted in /r/ethereum --

Guess who's now in the firing line now for being low tech'  



(Thats what you get for calling Monero a 'real premine sacm').





Never mind. It's all in a good cause (we hope). Mudpies on stun and chickenwire at the ready.

Hey fucktard, why don´t you show the world the whole discussion? Because it doesn´t fit your fucktarded dash scam propaganda?




Or what about this one?




Dashtards, even too stupid to lie; unbelieveable....

[smoothie]

Vitalik just posted in /r/ethereum --

Guess who's now in the firing line now for being low tech'  



(Thats what you get for calling Monero a 'real premine sacm').





Never mind. It's all in a good cause (we hope). Mudpies on stun and chickenwire at the ready.

Hey fucktard, why don´t you show the world the whole discussion? Because it doesn´t fit your fucktarded dash scam propaganda?




Or what about this one?




Dashtards, even too stupid to lie; unbelieveable....

MasterMined710 along with the other Dashtards don't deal in facts remember...

They deal in suppositions and assumptions with half truths. This is how shady scam coin supporters work...give you only half the picture.

Looks like MasterMined710 got owned. LOL  now retreat to your Dash lair for the next round of bullshit.

[MasterMined710]

Charlie Lee pretty much said Dash was not a fair launch and people will not support it for this reason.

But-but-but that was a long time ago!!!!1!  The instamine is old news!!1!1!

You have to listen to the Duffsplanations, which conclude the unfair launch is actually a good thing!!11!

charlie lee does not even know what he is talking about.
he said "10 people mined a million coins in the first half hour".
even the trolls know that's bullshit.
no coin has ever had a fair and perfect launch including litecoin and bitcoin.  
cripplemine monero had all kinds of launch issues with multiple confusing threads started in the wrong place by a acknowledged corrupt dev (who was kicked off the project). it also had multiple bugs like the double emission rate bug tacotime found. that along with the already highly inflationary instamine emission curve and the 1.5 million+ cripplemine issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755840.520

What is the difference ...it was Insta-mined in the first few hours/days.

This entire thread is a deflection away from dash.

This entire post is a deflection away from monero.
stop trying to deflect away from this monero scam thread with your anti-DASH propaganda FUD that even you know is not true.