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August 25, 2014, 03:17:49 PM
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How does this account even have anything to do with Monero? I clicked through several pages of posts (got bored after that) and found a few slightly related to Monero, most not.

Fail.

EndlessWin is one of the original crop of BCN shills BTW. Too lazy to dig out old posts from the fake reveal era.



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August 25, 2014, 03:19:24 PM
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The Monero XMR Scam Uncovered

Monero is being pushed very hard everywhere in this forum. XMR supporters are radically aggressive appearing in each and every single thread, flooding the discussions, and FUDing all the coins that appear on their way. The crypto community is already dead tired of the Monero shill accounts unprecedented activity.




I'm not saying that promoting your coin is illegal activity by itself. After all, the altcoin market is 99.9% about shouting louder than everyone else. PR usually helps get it going until it suddenly burns itself out (like with Doge). However, I came across a number of stinky facts that may prove that Monero is a completely artificial bubble.


How it looks like

If you've been reading the forum thoroughly for the last months, you might have noticed a couple of things about XMR.

You might have an impression that there are a lot of XMR supporters.
You might have an impression that the trade volume is very high.
You might have an impression that the developers are active.

You might also have an impression that something is very weird about this raw newborn coin.

Most likely because every single thing you see about XMR looks artificial.


The Hypotheses

H1. Monero's posting activity is artificial
H2. Monero's trades volumes are artificial
H3. Monero's developers are not capable of developing the coin

If all of the three hypotheses hold, then I'd say that Monero is scam and/or bubble. However, let the research be fair.


H1. Monero's posting activity is artificial

Recently, I stumbled upon a thread where Spoetnik points to a WTB hero member account thread started by Come-from-Above.


Here's the thread by Come-from-Above where he claims that he is paying 5-10 BTC for Sr. Member and Hero Member accounts. And apparently he needs a substantial number of such accounts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=728902.0


Think about it for a moment. Why one need to buy old accounts? Hero Members make greater sense of community approval then the Newbies. If someone so respected is claiming something, plenty of users are likely to believe him. And of course,

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these accs are NOT used for bad causes, just my opinions and forum presences Smiley

Of course, because you're buying Hero Members to post on flood threads about TV shows, right?
Nope. You are not.


1.1. Who is the beneficiary of the bought accounts?

Let's have a look at Come-from-Above's posting activity. There is a number of the things that might point us to Monero.


Other evidence:
proof, mirror
proof, mirror (please, check out the mirror link and notice that the original post has been changed to "Monero TO THE STARS". Is someone competing with Doge's "to the moon?")
proof, mirror (how sweet!)
proof, mirror
proof, mirror

He keeps on buying large Monero sizes even when the price is stagnant. Come-from-Above has even started a new thread:



1.2. How much is the fish? A weird fact

Come-from-Above has donated 5000 XMR for the XMR GUI wallet.




Based on XMR and BTC prices on July 19,
5000 XMR = 5000 * 0.00455 = 22.75 BTC
5000 XMR = 22.75 * 627 = $14,624

Can you even imagine somebody wanting the GUI wallet so badly that he donates $14,000? For an already available totally free software? Which runs on .NET and cannot be used without an ugly extension? While the market price of such a development would be way beyond $1,000, more like 1 BTC?

I'm not even sure which of the two explanations is worse. Try answering yourself:
Case 1: a whale donating $14k to a XMR wallet developer and buying hero accounts
Case 2: a shill account pretending to have donated $14k and buying hero accounts

As a side note, the GUI wallet developer Jojatekok has quite an interesting activity history. He's commenting only on XMR thread and is mainly supporting his wallet only. Doesn't he look more like a maintainer of GUI thread to help conceal that all GUI wallets are being developed by the core team with no 3rd party developers around the coin? I do not want to seem too obsessed with the conspiracy theories, but those things just don't add up.


1.3. Compromised accs

This section is in progress

Suspect 1

Searching for compromised accounts requires a lot of time and effort but there is clear evidence already. Consider this user: Joshuar. Once he used to hate XMR:


Another evidence:
proof, mirror

Then suddenly he's in the WTB accs thread:


And then he's all for Monero:




Suspect 2

When I first saw saddambitcoin on forum, I thought he's goddamn hero member so he should be trustworthy. Apparently, he isn't.

Check out his posts in 2013. They are all so lame you would immediately recognize the account being maintained for sale.


Then suddenly, after 4 months of being absent (since December 2013 by the way) he re-appears with the different writing style and all for Monero:


Coincidence?


Other suspects

There has been a remarkable "coming-out" that claims that certain XMR accounts were run by the bot maintainers. The person claims that such users as surfer43, smooth, mickey_miner, and novag were used by the ghost writers.

proof, mirror

However, this might well be FUD.


If you happen to know any other XMR troll or sold account, share it with the community.


1.4 An interesting observation

If you were reading the recent thread where XMR trolls are accusing Bytecoin/CryptoNote, you might agree with the post below. Monero bots somehow manage to turn any discussion into the XMR PR machine:



Implications

That being said, Monero has a number of shady supporters including purchased hero accounts and shill writers. Next time you see a hero member, a senior member, or even a junior member that is posting for Monero, keep in mind that the account may actually be bought or maintained by an outsourced pr manager.

Hypothesis 1 is accepted. Monero's posting activity is likely to be largely artificial.

Rationale for hypotheses 2 & 3 are coming soon. Stay tuned.



Interesting. Waiting for a next two parts.

On the side note, I didn't even know that people are actually buying hero/sr/whatever accounts. It's certainly is weird.  

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August 25, 2014, 03:22:09 PM
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Another one of the original BCN shill accounts. Interesting how they all show up here to nod in agreement isn't it?

BTW, if you want to know about buying accounts perhaps you should look into the flower1024 account.

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August 25, 2014, 03:22:38 PM
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XMR price up 10% since this thread started.

Many thanks!



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August 25, 2014, 03:30:50 PM
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XMR up 10% today

Keep up the good work guys.
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August 25, 2014, 03:35:58 PM
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Another one of the original BCN shill accounts. Interesting how they all show up here to nod in agreement isn't it?
BTW, if you want to know about buying accounts perhaps you should look into the flower1024 account.
It's like their puppets are endless. They are trying to make it seem like some other people are posting this nonsense, but it's pretty obvious.
There was no single fact here that could actually prove that Monero is a hoax, which it is not.
I was just waiting for them to list my account name, since I "suddenly" started defending Monero. This is due to the fact that this nonsense is annoying, trying to deceit people.

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August 25, 2014, 03:39:41 PM
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Today we have a guy quoting two of the the most retarded people (spoetnik, CfA) on this forum as a proof of something, you have to wonder, what's going to come tomorrow?
We need more confirmed news, right?  Wink
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August 25, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
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Another one of the original BCN shill accounts. Interesting how they all show up here to nod in agreement isn't it?

BTW, if you want to know about buying accounts perhaps you should look into the flower1024 account.



You can think whatever you want - I'm not a shill and I never was. Just a person with a different point of view, is it that bad?

Regarding r3wt, I don't think that he is a XMR shill since he was not so fond of smooth: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.msg8362614#msg8362614


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August 25, 2014, 03:53:47 PM
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The Monero XMR Scam Uncovered

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Hypothesis 1 is accepted. Monero's posting activity is likely to be largely artificial.

Rationale for hypotheses 2 & 3 are coming soon. Stay tuned.



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August 25, 2014, 03:55:19 PM
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You can think whatever you want - I'm not a shill and I never was. Just a person with a different point of view, is it that bad?

Regarding r3wt, I don't think that he is a XMR shill since he was not so fond of smooth: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.msg8362614#msg8362614




just look at your signature and post history, this is pathetic.

Just look at your signature and post history, do you hope for donation?

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August 25, 2014, 03:57:01 PM
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Yes, we rely on voluntary donations instead of trying to scam millions from poor people.
Thats the difference between XMR and BCN.

Thats also how Bitcoin does it and every other sane FOSS project like I2P and TOR, DEBIAN and whatever.

edit: misread.

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August 25, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
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Threads like this just make me take XMR even more serious

If people are willing to spend this much of their time FUD'ing a coin with no concrete proof, they must really not want it to succeed

I'm buying more!!
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August 25, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
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BCN took their 80% donation up front.



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August 25, 2014, 04:04:20 PM
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Yes, we rely on voluntary donations instead of trying to scam millions from poor people.
Thats the difference between XMR and BCN.

Thats also how Bitcoin does it and every other sane FOSS project like I2P and TOR, DEBIAN and whatever.

PS: Smooth has no signature, are u drunk little bcn guy?

I wrote my message for Nekomata. Take it easy.

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Try harder OP. Maybe you have a look at how REAL research looks like

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0
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August 25, 2014, 04:07:53 PM
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Your coin dies and accusing Monero for it, who's going to believe in this nonsense  Roll Eyes

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August 25, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
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How can you be so blind?

They just want you to believe Monero has community to make money on you!



tired of identical bitcoin forks? try out BCN - no ASICs, no transaction tracking https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.0
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Your coin dies and accusing Monero for it, who's going to believe in this nonsense  Roll Eyes


Hi, Jr. Member! Cheesy

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Desperate times calls for desperate measures, the Bytecoin folk are at their wit's end!

You see, Monero is the honeybadger, and Bytecoin is something else, probably a worm.
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Dead thread, all points easily disproved above. Move along people.

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