Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam

[tifozi]

maybe a typo?

No it's called despo, as in desperate.

I was one of the first miners along with tacotime et al. We were following the BitMonero threads for a long time before it's release. It was fascinating to me how some coders like Noodle and Wolf are able to optimize miners with their profound knowledge in that particular domain. I think the term "crippled" may have come from them being able to see how bad it was to begin with because someone from camp CN thought obfuscation = difficulty. It has nothing to do with how unfair ICOs and badly mined coins have been branded instamined etc.

Even today XMR is priced just twice the initial OTC prices upon launch which was more than 18 months ago. There is hardly anything unfair going on now and it was never in the beginning either. At that time I thought dga's posts were hilarious but I wish he didn't post sarcastic posts which could be twisted by trolls. Anyways XMR's success will happen from needs and necessities. It is good that it is not an instrument for PnD like every single coin out there.

I wish and sometimes hope that those who troll Monero are not too seriously getting taking over by their own jest. I do laugh with this thread and other attempts at that from time to time.

[smoothie]

I'm going to leave this here. 

I personally won't buy cloak because of the 7 day proof of work instamine.

LOL ^. But maybe to them it was a "FEATURE" hahaha


I guess instamining Dash in 2-3 days is GOOD....

than instamining Cloak for 7 days which is BAD 

lol, boy you're wasting lots of time and digging deep aren't you.

Actually no. It took me less than 5 minutes to find that quote.

Not exactly "LOTZ OV TAIEM"

You are a typical hypocrite, claim another coin's instamine over 7 days is unacceptable yet...Dash's instamine is acceptable.

That's like saying that  "its okay that Dash supporters can lie and spin things but if another coin's supporters like Cloak spins things or lies that is WRONG/UNACCEPTABLE."

Then at the same time trying to deflect while you point your finger at Monero and claiming it had an unfair distribution.

Here is another one of your quotes that shows you can't call it as it actually is instead of putting a spin on things:

DRK is now as evenly distributed as btc and ltc etc.

LOL that took me ~2 minutes to find that quote ^

Yeah suuuure. Dash/DRK is now "AS EVENLY DISTRIBUTED" as BTC and LTC etc....

 

I love the way you Dance, Boy.

[bigfryguy]

any truth to this?


Critically important discovery regarding anonymity for crypto-currency, which renders my Zero Knowledge Transactions white paper (and as well Shen-Noether's both) worthless:

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on November 21, 2015, 08:58:24 AM
...

Thus this requirement for anti-DDoS would introduce a form of simultaneity requirement on CN one-time rings that could be jammed (spammed) as is the case for CoinJoin (and even the CoinShuffle improvement). As I had argued to gmaxwell in his CoinJoin thread in 2013, that blacklisting offenders is unworkable if there is no reference point, because precisely the point of adding anonymity is to destroy any reference point (other than an orthogonal one such as IP addresses, which as I have explained in this thread is also untenable at scale).

Thus I worried that anonymity might be untenable.

...

The only solution I have been able to conjure is to use CoinShuffle to produce a group of hashes where every public key participating corresponds to some UTXO that can be confiscated.

So while I believe I have refuted my worry that anonymity is entirely untenable, I now believe that purely on chain anonymity is untenable. Which I think was also obvious from that fact that CN one-time rings can be unmasked if an adversary can correlate IP addresses to persistent identities. So if we have to do the CoinShuffle any way (which also mixes the spenders' IP addresses so we don't have to rely on the unreliable anonymity offered by Tor of I2P), then there is no reason to do the CN one-time ring signtures. Just use CoinShuffle with either CT or CCT.

Thus note that Zerocash will always be (and Monero is until they replace CN with CoinShuffle) untenable.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Thus note that Zerocash will always be (and Monero is until they replace CN with CoinShuffle) untenable.

Like Tesla, Kafka, Van Gogh, and Jim Croce - the adoration, recognition, and honor that Anonymint's Testicle War deserves will come too late, if ever.

His prediction that XMR, will, in his words, "... never be a ten ...", is poignant.  You can hear the sadness in his voice (or in his keyboard).

On the other hand, if XMR goes forward into crypto history as "a solid nine", that would be okay.

Nobody has ever seen a ten.  Lots of eights, a few nines, but never a ten. 

[bigfryguy]

well said.

[West man]

This is the first I am hearing of this. I was going to get into monero before but not now as reading this. 

[bigfryguy]

only reason I am out of Monero is because of the most vocal shill/fudsters...

on the other hand cryptonote still seems the most secure way to deal with an added layer of anonymity atm.

[smoothie]

This is the first I am hearing of this. I was going to get into monero before but not now as reading this. 

2 day old account ... 

Either you are new or you are a sock puppet account. Dont believe everything you read. Research for yourself.


Name:   West man
Posts:   29
Activity:   14
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   November 19, 2015, 05:22:33 AM
Last Active:   Today at 06:17:19 AM

[generalizethis]

only reason I am out of Monero is because of the most vocal shill/fudsters...

on the other hand cryptonote still seems the most secure way to deal with an added layer of anonymity atm.

Are you out of Bitcoin then? Because there are more Bitcoin Maximallists out there than there are Monero supporters total (good or bad). I do think many in the Monero community (myself included with Dashscam) earn the dislike of some communities for being critical of bad tech or scammy coins, but you aren't going to find a welcome to the neighborhood party from the Bitcoin community either--in fact, many in the Bitcoin community will evaluate a coin as good and then proceed to tell you that you should just make sidechain out of it and stop wasting everyone's time.

Opensource is a harsh and unforgiving world, so nobody is going to let a perceived weakness (real or FUD) go unvetted--so i think it's unreasonable to think communities can control their friends or enemies. All you can do is separate truth from fiction via whatever factual or mathematically verifiable evidence is available or leave yourself to trust someone based on the usual fallible methods humans use to trust each other (usually the guy who projects himself best or the one that is telling you most what you want to hear).

Kind of makes you wish someone would invent a trustless system for knowing which trustless system to trust.

[GingerAle]

only reason I am out of Monero is because of the most vocal shill/fudsters...

on the other hand cryptonote still seems the most secure way to deal with an added layer of anonymity atm.

Are you out of Bitcoin then? Because there are more Bitcoin Maximallists out there than there are Monero supporters total (good or bad). I do think many in the Monero community (myself included with Dashscam) earn the dislike of some communities for being critical of bad tech or scammy coins, but you aren't going to find a welcome to the neighborhood party from the Bitcoin community either--in fact, many in the Bitcoin community will evaluate a coin as good and then proceed to tell you that you should just make sidechain out of it and stop wasting everyone's time.

Opensource is a harsh and unforgiving world, so nobody is going to let a perceived weakness (real or FUD) go unvetted--so i think it's unreasonable to think communities can control their friends or enemies. All you can do is separate truth from fiction via whatever factual or mathematically verifiable evidence is available or leave yourself to trust someone based on the usual fallible methods humans use to trust each other (usually the guy who projects himself best or the one that is telling you most what you want to hear).

Kind of makes you wish someone would invent a trustless system for knowing which trustless system to trust.

So this thread has been resurrected for whatever reason, so it only seems appropriate to point newcomers to cryptocurrency to the thread with actual facts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

[qwizzie]

i wonder what that "whatever" reason could be ... but whatever that whatever reason may be, i'm thoroughly enjoy reading this thread
and the comments 

[MasterMined710]

cripplemined fastmine 

[Quicken]

So this thread has been resurrected for whatever reason, so it only seems appropriate to point newcomers to cryptocurrency to the thread with actual facts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

TanteStefana2 Necro'd this Bytecoin fantasy thread at the end of October, apparently in revenge for Monero folk (real and fake imho) spamming and trolling the DRK main thread. It's a rather depressing cycle. I honestly wish everyone would just drop it.

[HCLivess]

I confirm these accusations

[iCEBREAKER]

So this thread has been resurrected for whatever reason, so it only seems appropriate to point newcomers to cryptocurrency to the thread with actual facts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

TanteStefana2 Necro'd this Bytecoin fantasy thread at the end of October, apparently in revenge for Monero folk (real and fake imho) spamming and trolling the DRK main thread. It's a rather depressing cycle. I honestly wish everyone would just drop it.

"If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, you are a fraud"
  -- Nassim Taleb

[generalizethis]

So this thread has been resurrected for whatever reason, so it only seems appropriate to point newcomers to cryptocurrency to the thread with actual facts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

TanteStefana2 Necro'd this Bytecoin fantasy thread at the end of October, apparently in revenge for Monero folk (real and fake imho) spamming and trolling the DRK main thread. It's a rather depressing cycle. I honestly wish everyone would just drop it.

"If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, you are a fraud"
  -- Nassim Taleb

And playing off the theme of this thread: If you don't see a fraud and shout fraud, you are a fraud.

[MasterMined710]

here's a more recent investigation with lots of good info....

[XMR] Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233817.0;topicseen

[GingerAle]

here's a more recent investigation with lots of good info....

[XMR] Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233817.0;topicseen

now that's what I call information!!

Y do I bump these threads....

[MasterMined710]

the xmr monero crippled miner issue been fixed right

[Spoetnik]

the xmr monero crippled miner issue been fixed right

Too little too late.. this french Police news is prob going to trigger mass dumping i bet.