★★★ MEMs LIST of GAMBLING SITES ★★★

[MoneyShot2]

I haven't seen this list being updated for a loong time now...

[Swordsoffreedom]

Well I'm advertizing Ritz for my sig campaign so can someone do an independent evaluation of it

https://www.ritzgrandcasino.com/

They are a proven scam, see here

Not enough evidence aka proven data to confirm it but they have paid out their sig campaigners the question I was requesting was addressing the fairness of the Casino itself through people who know what they are doing not whether he censors threads and acts unprofessional

Why I sent out a request in this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490702.msg5475757#msg5475757

Same thread

As an aside the forum advertises ponzis now proving a casino is legit seems like a good enough concern to check out as well

[darkmule]

Not enough evidence aka proven data to confirm it but they have paid out their sig campaigners the question I was requesting was addressing the fairness of the Casino itself through people who know what they are doing not whether he censors threads and acts unprofessional

If you claim you're "provably fair" and your response to "prove it" is to censor the thread and act like an asshole, you are probably not provably fair and you are probably a fucking fraud.  This site should be listed as a scam site and so should you for advertising it.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Not enough evidence aka proven data to confirm it but they have paid out their sig campaigners the question I was requesting was addressing the fairness of the Casino itself through people who know what they are doing not whether he censors threads and acts unprofessional

If you claim you're "provably fair" and your response to "prove it" is to censor the thread and act like an asshole, you are probably not provably fair and you are probably a fucking fraud.  This site should be listed as a scam site and so should you for advertising it.

Opinions are fine and all and perhaps you are correct but I prefer evidence instead of speculation and that I have not seen yet
Although I am admitting you have a point there
I put more trust in data than users Mircea has proven that may be a flaming raging troll at times but she has valid points and well trilema keeps a nice ledger of the activities

But I am observing as well

As an aside Ponzis
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513307.msg5668240#msg5668240

John the Dong anyone
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412061.msg4463576#msg4463576

Tomato Cage (I trust tomatos objective viewpoint more than yours not as a snide remark but because of his status and reputation)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490702.msg5475757#msg5475757

Personally my Decision is not set in stone either but for now my sig will stay until proven verifiable information from a trusted community member clearly shows otherwise

That said I do take your opinion seriously and with a grain of salt since Mem's thread is fairly quiet on this sent a PM to B!Z requesting a review of the site and perhaps a thread on bitcoin reviewer

If you want to help out feel free to also send them a contact message to prove this with hard data one way or the other
http://bitcoinreviewer.com/

Edit In: B!Z got back to me and said he will review the site but if you don't trust that this happened feel free to do it yourself as well and not just take the face value of the message below ^_^

Hi Swords,

I'll take a look at the site and write what I find on Bitcoin Reviewer. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

Cheers,
b!z

[bitcasino.io]

Please review our services as well:
www.bitcasino.io
www.coinpoker.io

Thanks in advance!

[spixel]

SCAM ALERT


satoshimines.com

I was watching someone play this yesterday on live stream. After doubling his deposit, he tried cashing out but got an error saying not enough balance. When refreshed balance now showed 0.

Thought it might be a bug so he deposited again and same thing happened.


As of now, it looks like they are stealing btc.

[darkmule]

Opinions are fine and all and perhaps you are correct but I prefer evidence instead of speculation and that I have not seen yet

Bullshit.

When you say "provably fair" the burden of proof is on YOU at that point.

[RGBKey]

I'm not really going to argue with you considering you are using their signature, but that thread is not about their sig program. It is mainly about how they claim to be provably fair but are not. I will update the thread with that.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Opinions are fine and all and perhaps you are correct but I prefer evidence instead of speculation and that I have not seen yet

Bullshit.

When you say "provably fair" the burden of proof is on YOU at that point.

The Double Bullshit on you since I did pass on the burden of proof to B!z whose opinion I do trust but I presume you didn't read that part and took the top out of context while Ignoring the rest of the message like a debater your method of attack is simply that of an opinion piece while their is a burden on the casino to prove its fairness aiming to verifying that information second hand is what I posted here originally for.

I'll put it another way

If I don't trust Bob but give Bob the benefit of the doubt then simply I ask Alice to check on Bob through a third party mechanism which is this thread or Biz I didn't come in to listen to accusations but I came in asking for evidence and verification from others who can do hash functions understand secret keys and prove it through cryptography, which I presume some users can do considering that this is a list of gambling websites and a well traveled thread.

I'm not really going to argue with you considering you are using their signature, but that thread is not about their sig program. It is mainly about how they claim to be provably fair but are not. I will update the thread with that.

I agree with you RGB wasn't here to argue what I was posting here for is the burden of proof which was requested in this thread the entire fairness of the site and not the discussion as a result of me putting up a request for it from some community members who can verify the data.

Freedom of choice in the things you do is a freedom we all have a voluntary and free system such as Bitcoin has no one is forcing you into it, this is a voluntary transaction with ritz and the Burden of Proof to challenge darkmules argument is not on the Casino Entirely but on the USER who decides to use the service

Or we are forgetting the lesson of Mtgox

[darkmule]

I'll just repeat what I said.  I think it stands on its own.  If you say "provably fair," the only proper response to "okay, prove it" is to go the fuck ahead and prove it.  Not to start bitching and complaining and start hurling ad hominem, and censoring your thread.

[royal-casino]

Mem, Royal Casino would be grateful if you could include it on your list. Thank You

http://royal-casino.pl

[Swordsoffreedom]

I'll just repeat what I said.  I think it stands on its own.  If you say "provably fair," the only proper response to "okay, prove it" is to go the fuck ahead and prove it.  Not to start bitching and complaining and start hurling ad hominem, and censoring your thread.

Fair enough but still sending Alice to monitor Bob 

Swear this sounds like a wife paying a third party detective to check out that her husband is not cheating on her

Darn Comp sci examples hehe

[mem]

Good morning/ afternoon all.

expect to see a bit of work done today, hell if I get excited enough I'll try deploying some code on memslist.com.

For any that are interested the goal of my new site is:

misc tech wiki for myself and people I work with, but open for the public to browse. Ive found mediawiki to be the best way to dump a crap load of tech docs, howtos etc and be able to find them again later easily.

It will also feature the same list in this forum, but with:

• user account system, trusted users will be able to revert a site to pending, post their own approval, comments, etc
• sites will be able to automatically log their new games by the creation of a text file in their root folder called memslist.com. periodically the list of submitted sites will be scraped and automatically added to pending ready for reviewing. Site owners will be able to include their own comments as verified site admin (and other details)
• Categories, I like to see games broken into groups. Like all of you some games Im simply not interested in or need to be in a mood for. Since running this list Ive seen that there are even more categories than I considered. Trusted users will be able to add new categories to existing games to better aid filtering
• Sorting, to many gambling lists request money for top listing or even first page listing. I hope to avoid this and instead the lists (filtered or not) will be randomly sorted but with verified games taking top placing. Its the fairest, I already do this with my forum listing
• Scam listings. It always was a problem but lately it seems to be reaching crazy levels. So there will be support for submitting scam claims by users with email verified accounts.
• Automatic forum posting (if I can get the perl code to work) to maintain the forum listing, otherwise I will just do the old copy and paste like I currently do
• Paid advertising ? if so it cant be gambling related, I have never been a fan of banner adds and more importantly I cant have scam/pending sites advertising as it misrepresents users trust

There we go, a nice brain dump.
I can see this idea slowly taking shape and I think Im going to enjoy the project immensely once I get rolling.
Fingers crossed I can get my perl code working good enough on the host (cheap ass shared vps) otherwise I'll have to use php (yuck). If perl expect to see good old fashioned 80's style RAD (Rapid Application Design), I'll reuse parts of my nintendo wii media streamer (WiiCR) so that my horrific html can be updated by users who are good at design via very easy to use templates.

Any other suggestions for the site / list let me know and I'll get onto it.

I'll be back soonish and do some long over due play testing, update the list and then take a stab @ memslist.com.

[mem]

Opinions are fine and all and perhaps you are correct but I prefer evidence instead of speculation and that I have not seen yet

Bullshit.

When you say "provably fair" the burden of proof is on YOU at that point.

yes. for people who dont get it.

PROVABLY FAIR MEANS YOU CAN PROVE THAT IT IS FAIR.

[mem]

well its a bit behind schedule but from humble beginnings come great things:

http://memslist.com/list/index.pl

designed and created the db, now to start hacking together perl code to make it all work.
got remote syncing for the files etc I create.

When I cbf I'll test my perl mysql routines on the remote site, hopefully if all is well this will be in a functional beta status sooner than expected.

[binaryFate]

Good morning/ afternoon all.

expect to see a bit of work done today, hell if I get excited enough I'll try deploying some code on memslist.com.

For any that are interested the goal of my new site is:

misc tech wiki for myself and people I work with, but open for the public to browse. Ive found mediawiki to be the best way to dump a crap load of tech docs, howtos etc and be able to find them again later easily.

It will also feature the same list in this forum, but with:

• user account system, trusted users will be able to revert a site to pending, post their own approval, comments, etc
• sites will be able to automatically log their new games by the creation of a text file in their root folder called memslist.com. periodically the list of submitted sites will be scraped and automatically added to pending ready for reviewing. Site owners will be able to include their own comments as verified site admin (and other details)
• Categories, I like to see games broken into groups. Like all of you some games Im simply not interested in or need to be in a mood for. Since running this list Ive seen that there are even more categories than I considered. Trusted users will be able to add new categories to existing games to better aid filtering
• Sorting, to many gambling lists request money for top listing or even first page listing. I hope to avoid this and instead the lists (filtered or not) will be randomly sorted but with verified games taking top placing. Its the fairest, I already do this with my forum listing
• Scam listings. It always was a problem but lately it seems to be reaching crazy levels. So there will be support for submitting scam claims by users with email verified accounts.
• Automatic forum posting (if I can get the perl code to work) to maintain the forum listing, otherwise I will just do the old copy and paste like I currently do
• Paid advertising ? if so it cant be gambling related, I have never been a fan of banner adds and more importantly I cant have scam/pending sites advertising as it misrepresents users trust

There we go, a nice brain dump.
I can see this idea slowly taking shape and I think Im going to enjoy the project immensely once I get rolling.
Fingers crossed I can get my perl code working good enough on the host (cheap ass shared vps) otherwise I'll have to use php (yuck). If perl expect to see good old fashioned 80's style RAD (Rapid Application Design), I'll reuse parts of my nintendo wii media streamer (WiiCR) so that my horrific html can be updated by users who are good at design via very easy to use templates.

Any other suggestions for the site / list let me know and I'll get onto it.

I'll be back soonish and do some long over due play testing, update the list and then take a stab @ memslist.com.

This is great news man! Success on this!

[leonzevs]

I offer you a new game site Sato-Dice.com
there are free bonuses https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504981.0
What do you think?

[mem]

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE

Ive knocked up a basic framework for adding sites and games.
Displaying a nicely formatted html list will be easy.
Generating forum code will just be a case of merging some old code.

Might have the beta up for use this weekend.

Once the beta is operating well, I'll start smashing through the reviews and updates.
Even with my old perl script it had become to much work for me to stay on top of during my spare time.
Below is an example memslist.txt (WIP) I'll be testing it with some of the casinos I have worked with in the past.

Code:

[site]
name = Generic Dice
odds = 0.99
support_email= support@genericdice.com
support_bitcointalk = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55202
[Dice]
url = http://genericdice.com/dice
odds = 0.99
description = blah blah blah
notes = note note notey
min_bet = 0.0001
max_bet = 1

The idea of using the site hosted text file is I dont need to verify the site admin each time, they can upload a memslist.txt then post the url (eg genericdice.com/memslist.com) to memslist.com/submit.html (or whatever I call it).
It will be automatically added to the list of new un-reviewed sites.


TBH its been nice dealing with perl cgi again, I loathe php, python isnt really there yet and things have gotten sooooo much easier since the last time I wrote perl cgi (late 90's).
Expect to see some testing going on this weekend and hopefully a public / private beta test.

Not sure if I can get the automatic forum updates working, but that is also in  the scope.

I suck @ html btw, so anyone wishing to create themes same deal as WiiCR.
You design it all, make it look sweet and I add it as theme option - put a nice footer on there advertising your HTML skills and include your own contact details.

Anyway, back to hacking code - will update tonight / tomorrow (dont have ftp access to deploy the new code from work )

[mem]

making some good progress on the new site / list generator
It really helps when your not drunk and trying to figure out the finer details of perl CGI::Session resuming.

Some short term goals:
* Casino operators will be given accounts to add their own games, but will only be able to set their entries to pending.
* Add all sites & games (sigh), lot of work there.
* list generator.

The main thing is though, Im having a lot of fun knocking this together and finally have made some time for it (sorry skyrim, I miss you).
Hopefully will have a open BETA ready tomorrow, monday

[Sat0shiSlot]

making some good progress on the new site / list generator
It really helps when your not drunk and trying to figure out the finer details of perl CGI::Session resuming.

Some short term goals:
* Casino operators will be given accounts to add their own games, but will only be able to set their entries to pending.
* Add all sites & games (sigh), lot of work there.
* list generator.

The main thing is though, Im having a lot of fun knocking this together and finally have made some time for it (sorry skyrim, I miss you).
Hopefully will have a open BETA ready tomorrow, monday

Keep up the good work, will keep this list in mind once we release.