Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[DebitMe]

Because the database has been a gigantic pain in the ass. I have 2 programmers working on it, and if they dont have a solution by friday I will be making them do it by hand.

So will this be done manually? ETA?

Bump

[Phinnaeus Gage]

It's been over a week. What was the reply from Global Foundries when asked if Black Arrow has a contract with them in producing a 28nm chip from sand that'll hash zeros and ones into money?

[goozman96]

It's been over a week. What was the reply from Global Foundries when asked if Black Arrow has a contract with them in producing a 28nm chip from sand that'll hash zeros and ones into money?

No reply.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

What makes you think Global Foundries owes anyone but their customers any information on what they are presently engaging in? I'm sure their inbox is inundated with spam from folks who have nothing better than to troll around forums and speculate about what influences the bitcoin mining scene.

If anything they will not comment to an unknown source as it may not be in their customers interest and a complete waste of their time. Put things into perspective and rationalize what is going on in a greater sense before trying to use something which is logical as evidenced to support your own conspiracy theories.

Great argument! But how do you explain Verisilicon replying when not once, not twice, but three times they were asked if Black Arrow was one of their customers with an affirmative? The exact same argument applies here.

What is being asked is in no way NDA related.

[Pentax]

What makes you think Global Foundries owes anyone but their customers any information on what they are presently engaging in? I'm sure their inbox is inundated with spam from folks who have nothing better than to troll around forums and speculate about what influences the bitcoin mining scene.

If anything they will not comment to an unknown source as it may not be in their customers interest and a complete waste of their time. Put things into perspective and rationalize what is going on in a greater sense before trying to use something which is logical as evidenced to support your own conspiracy theories.

Great argument! But how do you explain Verisilicon replying when not once, not twice, but three times they were asked if Black Arrow was one of their customers with an affirmative? The exact same argument applies here.

What is being asked is in no way NDA related.

What is clear is that greed has made typically rational people do irrational things and put their hard earned money on nothing more than the promise of magic beans. Not just here but across the mining hardware spectrum they've laid down their bet with so many variables in place that they have exposed themselves to 100% risk. What I see mostly is people subsequently attempting to fight their way back to a rational point in a situation which they themselves assisted in the creation of.

BA may have a very competitive ASIC in the end when all the dust settles and people will no longer pay gold for silicone. Unfortunately turning those magical beans into capitalizing on the arms race doesn't appear as attractive with the release date.

Some true some not.  Any investment can be assessed this way I suppose.

While delays in these sorts of equipment is common, we all know the horror stories of BFL, Hashfast etc., what is also true with the advent of these higher end Th/s+ systems are 2 things.

1.  They cost a shitload of money.  This isn't a few hundred or a thousand dollars a pop, it's ~6 grand for the X3 and for the Cointerra Terraminer, not to mention the price on the KnC, which I think is like 13K @ 3Th/s, so this isn't a small investment that people can simply write off to having a bit of fun, nor are they going to be happy when the company fails to deliver on time and costs them thousands of dollars as a result.

2.  Cointerra and KnC have stepped up and changed this 100% risk paradigm by putting forward what seems to be more equitable compensation for their Batch 1 customers on these delays.  Black Arrow has not followed their lead, but has apparently opted instead to float a package that doesn't seemingly come close to compensating people, claiming it's the best they can do, and is still murky on refunds for those that want them.   The bitching is at least partially fueled by the perception that these other companies are doing whatever necessary to assure their customers don't get burned, and BA's customers are understandably pissed about what seems at this point to be a relatively raw deal.

ASIC manufacturers need to wake up to the fact that the 100% risk paradigm doesn't work as a business model.  Nobody survives in the long term by screwing their customers while their competitors do not, especially as the market develops and people have options and better information about the players in the marketplace.  Some of the others seemingly have realized this, and it is those people that get my money next time.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Bitcoin Miners progress update – 05 March 2014


1.Global Foundries has informed us that Minion wafer manufacture is starting tomorrow. This is 1 week ahead of schedule, therefore we’ve recovered the 3 days delay in tapeout and we’re 4 days ahead of schedule.
2.We have completed the minion substrate package design
3.Received confirmation that probe card wafers will be completed next week and sent to packaging house
4.X1 backplane size was corrected and re-sent to the factory
5.Completed re-design of the X3 hash board, pending review
6.We have visited the heatsink factory, approved the X1 & X3 heatsink design and have started the moulds.
7.We have met with power supply factory representatives and have signed the final documents to start the manufacturing
8.X3 case review came back from the case factory, we still need to address some minor details for improved performance
9.Completed thermal simulations for X3 case, now running thermal simulations for X1 case
10.Completed CS-CART payment processor for LTC, BTC and PPC, pending final review to get it online

http://ecointalk.net/topic/259-heatsink-samples-have-arrived/?p=345

Posted 22 November 2013 - 05:23 PM

We have received the samples for the Proxpero X3 heatsinks.
 
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/7-prospero-heatsink-samples/

Somebody quote me before fuzznuts deletes this post.

Still blows my mind that Global Foundries hasn't gotten back to us yet after asking a simple non-NDA question: Does Black Arrow have a contract with Global Foundries to produce a 28nm chip?

A large company like Verisilicon had no problem with replying within...wait for it...12 hours after first being asked. Then a follow up letter. Then another.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

-All the previous board designs and case designs, and heatsink designs, and fan designs, and power supply designs, and internal arrangement designs were wrong and are being changed.


We take the extra time to make them better. We could have delivered a working version by now but we decided not to sleep on it.

Basically, starting from scratch.

[goozman96]

Because the database has been a gigantic pain in the ass. I have 2 programmers working on it, and if they dont have a solution by friday I will be making them do it by hand.

So will this be done manually? ETA?

Bump

Bump.

[Pentax]

Bitcoin Miners progress update – 05 March 2014


1.Global Foundries has informed us that Minion wafer manufacture is starting tomorrow. This is 1 week ahead of schedule, therefore we’ve recovered the 3 days delay in tapeout and we’re 4 days ahead of schedule.
2.We have completed the minion substrate package design
3.Received confirmation that probe card wafers will be completed next week and sent to packaging house
4.X1 backplane size was corrected and re-sent to the factory
5.Completed re-design of the X3 hash board, pending review
6.We have visited the heatsink factory, approved the X1 & X3 heatsink design and have started the moulds.
7.We have met with power supply factory representatives and have signed the final documents to start the manufacturing
8.X3 case review came back from the case factory, we still need to address some minor details for improved performance
9.Completed thermal simulations for X3 case, now running thermal simulations for X1 case
10.Completed CS-CART payment processor for LTC, BTC and PPC, pending final review to get it online

http://ecointalk.net/topic/259-heatsink-samples-have-arrived/?p=345

Posted 22 November 2013 - 05:23 PM

We have received the samples for the Proxpero X3 heatsinks.
 
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/7-prospero-heatsink-samples/

Somebody quote me before fuzznuts deletes this post.

Still blows my mind that Global Foundries hasn't gotten back to us yet after asking a simple non-NDA question: Does Black Arrow have a contract with Global Foundries to produce a 28nm chip?

A large company like Verisilicon had no problem with replying within...wait for it...12 hours after first being asked. Then a follow up letter. Then another.

I know.

The heatsink was the one thing I thought was actually done.  Pics and everything up on FB.  Now it's not either.

It's like watching a troupe of monkeys and a mynah bird build a fucking computer....

[OleOle]

Bitcoin Miners progress update – 05 March 2014


1.Global Foundries has informed us that Minion wafer manufacture is starting tomorrow. This is 1 week ahead of schedule, therefore we’ve recovered the 3 days delay in tapeout and we’re 4 days ahead of schedule.
2.We have completed the minion substrate package design
3.Received confirmation that probe card wafers will be completed next week and sent to packaging house
4.X1 backplane size was corrected and re-sent to the factory
5.Completed re-design of the X3 hash board, pending review
6.We have visited the heatsink factory, approved the X1 & X3 heatsink design and have started the moulds.
7.We have met with power supply factory representatives and have signed the final documents to start the manufacturing
8.X3 case review came back from the case factory, we still need to address some minor details for improved performance
9.Completed thermal simulations for X3 case, now running thermal simulations for X1 case
10.Completed CS-CART payment processor for LTC, BTC and PPC, pending final review to get it online

http://ecointalk.net/topic/259-heatsink-samples-have-arrived/?p=345

Posted 22 November 2013 - 05:23 PM

We have received the samples for the Proxpero X3 heatsinks.
 
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/7-prospero-heatsink-samples/

Somebody quote me before fuzznuts deletes this post.

Still blows my mind that Global Foundries hasn't gotten back to us yet after asking a simple non-NDA question: Does Black Arrow have a contract with Global Foundries to produce a 28nm chip?

A large company like Verisilicon had no problem with replying within...wait for it...12 hours after first being asked. Then a follow up letter. Then another.

I know.

The heatsink was the one thing I thought was actually done.  Pics and everything up on FB.  Now it's not either.

It's like watching a troupe of monkeys and a mynah bird build a fucking computer....

LMAO!  Yeah where are the all-singing, all-dancing Black Adder fanboi club when they're needed? Maybe they can help re-light the candles when they blow out or chase the monkeys back to the sandbox where the management are busy faking images of the renders while eating the monkey's bananas?

It's about time we had another fake render image or maybe even show us a prototype (there's a good word for you Black Adder) of the magical heat sink that took six months to design?

Quote - "1.Global Foundries has informed us that Minion wafer manufacture is starting tomorrow. This is 1 week ahead of schedule, therefore we’ve recovered the 3 days delay in tapeout and we’re 4 days ahead of schedule."

So does this include or not include the one week delay of the Chinese New Year that you supposedly had covered?

War is peace, black is white, renders are real, delays are ahead of schedule, words produce ASICS.

Glad that's all be cleared up then ?!?

 

[OleOle]

Seriously oleole what are you so butthurt about?

Is there something bothering you that you'd like to talk about?

I hadn't heard from you for a while, Jimmothy, so I thought I'd give you an in.  So what's the latest pro-BA spin? You seem to be training your new fanboi friends well, they're chiming in on cue with you, perhaps they can give us a heads up on the refund situation?

Tell me, are you enjoying the product delays and the sheer lack of professionalism?

How about the custom heat sink, does that make you glow with satisfaction?  I heard that the heat sinks get so hot that you fry a monkey's head on them... that's another bonus that you only get with vapourware ASICS, you can make-believe anything about the product, fake a few renders and the fanbois obfuscate things further.

Hit me up when you get your delivery, I'll be the first to congratulate you on your patience.

 

[OleOle]

I sell my Batch 1 order (1 prospero x-3) with the compensation. Details --> http://ecointalk.net/topic/560-i-sell-my-order-n-322x-1-prospero-x-3/

Wait, what?

Compensation plan?

You mean you believed the "25% virtual hashing" that will allegedly be provided in lieu of delivery of the actual products you ordered and paid for?

This is what's been called the "75% scam" which is a more accurate description as you're losing 75% of the hashing that you anticipated.

 

[Phinnaeus Gage]

@Phinnaeus Gage

Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store.  Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s

I noticed the same thing. When I was considering a purchase, but I decided not to after finding that. 

Yup thats our mail forwarding box.

What do you need a mail forwarding box for? Is your company official?

OBFUSCATION

[DebitMe]

Well this now looks even worse, even BFL is offering pretty good compensation plans for their tardiness.  An extra 250% of hashing power for batch 1 customers!  Puts BA to shame.  You know your behind the times when you out BFL, BFL.

[Pentax]

Well this now looks even worse, even BFL is offering pretty good compensation plans for their tardiness.  An extra 250% of hashing power for batch 1 customers!  Puts BA to shame.  You know your behind the times when you out BFL, BFL.

I know it.  Boo hoo, we're so broke, this is the best we can do.  Bull-oney.

Nobody buys from the company that trails in supporting their customers' bottom line in a financially oriented business, which this is, as much as they'd like to spin it otherwise.  

Total fail on the most important aspect of the entire business relationship.  

[Pentax]

Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.

Lucky for you..........

I've been dealing with Matt @ Minersource for 2.5 weeks...
Now that my order has been canceled.  Still no refund yet.

At one point, I got an email that wire is on my way (which I never received).
It was $49 off what I paid for my order.

This is exactly what I'm concerned about, cancelling but ending up with both no order spot and no money back.

Yep, and this is why people have been asking for a clear statement on refunds since they announced this delay.

They still haven't made an unequivocal statement as far as I know.  Yet another shining example of their commitment to their customers.

[DebitMe]

Well this now looks even worse, even BFL is offering pretty good compensation plans for their tardiness.  An extra 250% of hashing power for batch 1 customers!  Puts BA to shame.  You know your behind the times when you out BFL, BFL.

Yea bfl is totally putting BA to shame..

A $5000 monarch has gone from 600gh -> 1000gh

Where as a $4000 prospero has gone from 2000gh -> 2900gh

Jimmothy, I have not bothered you or your comments on BA this entire time.  I have seen your input as valid and have even taken to heart some of the things that you have said.  And yet you come out attacking everyone no matter what.

A prospero is ~$6,000 first of all, BA is giving their "compensation" package to everyone, not just those who paid at the very first price.  Also the $5000 monarch is going from 600 GH to 1.6 TH, please understand the full package before trying to refute.
Hopefully the 2.9 TH/s will be able to be run at a home, given the high power consumption running at that level, it will be a stretch to fit one of the X-3 boxes on a circuit.
BFL is actually giving the hardware to their customers whereas I get cloud mining that I cannot even resell when it becomes (if not already shipped as) worthless.
BFL is delaying 5 weeks, BA is delaying 8 weeks.  (I understand this may change based on companies pasts, but for now that's what we have to go on, all biases aside).  I am sure I do not have to tell you how precious 3 weeks can be in the mining world, unless you are BA and do not care about your customers interests in making a profit because all you do is manufacture mining equipment.

[goozman96]

Because the database has been a gigantic pain in the ass. I have 2 programmers working on it, and if they dont have a solution by friday I will be making them do it by hand.

So will this be done manually? ETA?

Bump

Bump.

[OleOle]

So is there any real life pictures of any chips or pcb boards or anything yet !!! Or just fake ass cgi pictures that posted on there website !! LoL what a joke !! Please correct me if im wrong would love to see some pictures ...

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Nobody has any idea, even Black Adder don't have a clue what is happening. Seems they took six months to 'design' a heat sink.

!! LoL what a joke !!

You can say that again

[OleOle]

It's completely unconfirmed at this stage but there are rumours that the initial heat sink design was so low tech that it had to be abandoned and repurposed for use with Raspberry Pi:

http://www.banggood.com/Copper-Heatsink-Cooling-Kit-Easy-Install-For-Raspberry-Pi-p-89475.html

Hard to say, but it really looks like the heat sink was made by a child using a hacksaw blade 

It's difficult to figure out how that took six months to 'design' 

I suppose there is one advantage in that you can just rip the copper heat sink off when you're finished