Why do people hate islam?

Quote from: Dende on October 06, 2014, 07:54:33 PM

I was just googling for islamic rulings on bitcoin and stumbled upon this thread. As a Muslim I feel the need to be involved in this conversation. Although my knowledge about my own religion is really limited, I hope I can clarify some of the negative perspectives about Islam that I am seeing here.
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I dont know where you guys get your information about Islam but I would assume some get from media that only potrays muslims as "freedom hating jihadists" whatever that means. There are crazy people among the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists etc., but it is unfair to paint one group or its system of belief with the same brush because of the actions of some people in that group. I would encourage anybody that sees only negative in Islam to consider looking the other side of the coin. Lets resolve any misunderstanding and focus our effort in fighting against the system that has opressed people into spiral of debt, that is why we have Bitcoin eh? Wink

If anybody has questions about Islam I would love to provide with information that I could find.

Did you find any "islamic rulings on bitcoin?"

I am also curious, do you agree or disagree with this assertion? (which is from a linked blog not from anyone in this form)

Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end.

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 06, 2014, 08:09:02 PM

That's the problem:

You DON'T know the History and defend Mo just because you were told to.
It was a harsh time? Yes but not only to Muslims, to all Middle East and Persia.
It was Justinian plague time, there were not only Muhammad but a lot of equally violent "prophets", war everywhere... But Mo wasn't anything near a good person.

How did you assert that I do not know the history of my own religion or the prophet?
Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?
It seems we read 2 different stories about the prophet.

Quote from: ChiliPowder on October 06, 2014, 08:17:27 PM

What is your outlook or view on Israel?

Just on the matter of Israel and Palestine, what they are doing and what they want to do the people of Palestine are totally unacceptable. They have been trying to write Palestine off of the map through land expansions and merciless civilian killings. Really hoping for justice for the people of Palestine. Sweeden just recently recognized the state of Palestine, a move in the right direction towards peace in the region.

Quote from: Spendulus on October 07, 2014, 03:43:06 AM

Bitcoin is a really new concept and complex as well to be understood. There have not been any views by islamic scholars on this matter. There are many opinions on the web but scholaristic views are the ones that should take precedent because those scholars have spent most of their lives studying the religion. I myself do not feel wholly comfortable with bitcoin since many trades involving bitcoin are prohibited in Islam such as drug trades, most prominently during silk road times and the anonymous nature of bitcoin can further thrive this kind of activities. Thus, I feel bitcoins success is somehow also supporting malevolent activities that thrive on bitcoin. On the other hand, I see the monetary system that are widely used now as a method of enslaving people. We really need a revolution in the monetary system and I believe bitcoin can bring that at least until honest and trustworthy people can dictate the direction current of monetary system which seems to be unlikely as of now.

As for the that quote, teachings of Islam encompass every aspect of human lives and this includes the ethics of war. If another country attacks an islamic country, it has the right to fight back but have to stay within islamic rulings related to conducts of war. So to say killing cannot be justified is to let your land and your life be freely taken in the case of war. And to eradicate aspect of Islam or not accepting some parts of the Quran is the same as to go against what god has decreed. If the Quran is really from god, who are we to question what god has sent to us? He is the one that has created this universe and bring life to this earth. God sent prophets and revelations as guidance for human beings and god knows what is best for us.

they hate Islam because they are afraid of Islam will rule the world, and rule the world with the Islamic system, as we know Islamic system is a system created by God to set his creation, if the system is implemented, it will be that they save the world and the hereafter, and if the Islamic system is not enforced, so watch the destruction of this world and all sorts of contents .. Cool

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Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?

I would fill this thread with so many quotes that the database would crash!
Just read the Hadeeth and Quran... Roll Eyes

@cutesakura;

For the notice, Islam will NEVER rule the World, not only no single culture will as Islam is an outdated with nothing to offer culture.
The problem is that in the attempt soon we will have war again...

About fears, my main fear Muslim-related is not around Muslims will takeover the World or anything like that. I don't fear impossibilities.
I fear war, but also the re-raise of Fascism. A thing most likely to happen soon... just look at France, NL and UK voting results.

but why fascism? So different cultures have different mentalities, and social experiment of mixing it (not by natural evolution, but by economic dictate) is bringing rotten fruit. Just because people want to change what doesnt work, doesnt mean they become fascist.

Muslims themselves are just a worsen and more annoying form of gypsies; economically and scientifically irrelevant, bad workers, have nothing to show or give to the world... but are annoying and violent with their rotten religion.
As Muslims keep pushing everybody's patience, eventually people will vote for get rid of them, and that means Fascist parties.

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

Quote from: Sunderland on October 07, 2014, 12:49:21 PM

i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world

Exactly.
In every religion there are bad people.

You have bad people everywhere.
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.

Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...

Quote from: Spendulus on October 07, 2014, 03:43:06 AM

Islam has to eradicate from its codex all notions of killing as a justified means to an end.

If Islam did this ISLAM would end.

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 12:56:59 PM

Yet Abraham wasn't, himself, that way. Just because he was the patriarch of a whole lot of people, doesn't mean that he condoned violence.

The only records of violence that he did were the kind that we ALL should do at times. They were self-defense violence, and defense of family violence. And anyone that doesn't think he should protect his family with violence if necessary, doesn't love his family very much.

I don't think the one who abandoned a son deserves any defense at all. That's by the way, a form of family violence.
Still, Abraham based means Jews, Christians and Muslims. They are all violent and have a broad notion of self-defense, often attacking those who aren't attacking them.

Hate is a bad thing. It corrupts the hearts and minds of those who entertain (use, do) it. But in the case of Islam, hate is totally appropriate.

Have you heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? That's where there are some hostages, and the hostages become so fearful of the hostage takers, that they convert into being friends of the hostage takers, just because they think that this might be the only way to survive. And they do it sincerely. Some of them marry their hostage takers. Some of them convert to being part of the hostage taking gang. It's a protection mechanism.

This is how Islam has gained a vast number of their followers. Islamic extremists take people hostage. They threaten the people with death. They may even torture some of the hostages, just to threaten the others. Over a period of time, out of fear, the hostages sincerely convert to Islam, simply so they do not die. Once they have converted sincerely, it is difficult to get them to even look at freedom any longer.

Some of these converted hostages become Islamic extremists.

Don't only hate Islam. Rather, put your hate into action and destroy it. At the same time, free the Muslims.

I came to that conclusion long ago too.
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?

Tricky to solve, isn't it?

Why does ISIS hate any religion and non believers except their own?

I hate Islam extremists who disrepect us

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 06:23:54 PM

Good trick, yes. The difference may not be in the method. The difference may only be in the goal.

Islam's goal is to make slaves so that they freely support Islam.

Freedom's goal is to free all slaves for freedom.

Because Islam stands for extremists, I mean, come on.
"we can justify this mass killing because Allah approved it", in my ass.

A large group of people are being pre-assessed (how do you say this??) because some retards blow themselfs up.

The history of many nations has been that of using the Stockholm Syndrome to make them part of the conquering nation rather than killing them all. After all, what good are a bunch of dead bodies. After all, they could be slaves.

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 07, 2014, 12:10:29 PM

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Where do you get your story that says the prophet is a violent person?

I would fill this thread with so many quotes that the database would crash!
Just read the Hadeeth and Quran... Roll Eyes

Can you bring one or two quotes?
I was looking at some of your posts in this thread, you were saying foul things about Islam. It is not the Islam I am thought and brought up with. Bring proof of what you are talking about Islam if it is the truth.

Quote from: BADecker on October 07, 2014, 06:01:43 PM

Hate is a bad thing. It corrupts the hearts and minds of those who entertain (use, do) it. But in the case of Islam, hate is totally appropriate.

That is straight up bigotry.

We really need to stop hating each other because of our differences in religion, beliefs or anything. And just because some groups are doing atrocities, it is not justifiable to hate other people that are not involved or their beliefs. There are many issues in our lives that can be solved if we work together and put our differences aside. The money masters that are bringing corruption to this world are chilling right now and they love having people hating and fighting each other instead of them. It will be hard to bring change as they have so much control in the society including governments but if we are going to be divisive nothing can be changed.